I have a question about x-rays.
I had panoramic x-rays taken at my dentist, but now I moved and changed
dentists and wanted to have my old dentist forward x-rays to the new
dentist, so I wouldn't have to pay for them again and expose my head to
more radiation than necessary.
My old dentist says that they mailed originals to the insurance company
and didn't not keep the copies and that by law they are not required to
keep the copies.
I wanted to verify if that's correct and can I do anything?
Jorge Bonilla - 07 Apr 2006 23:44 GMT
Insurance companies manage to disappear quite a lot of X-Rays. We
always keep copies or digitized images for ourselves because of this.
Your dentist is probably right. Don't blame him for what your insurance
company does.
Jorge Bonilla DMD
Steven Bornfeld - 08 Apr 2006 02:53 GMT
> I have a question about x-rays.
> I had panoramic x-rays taken at my dentist, but now I moved and changed
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>
> I wanted to verify if that's correct and can I do anything?
You aren't required to keep copies, but you're foolish not to. The
dentist should make an honest effort to retrieve the x-rays from the
insurance company.
If the x-ray is over a year old, I probably wouldn't bother.
Panoramics aren't that useful for caries or periodontal disease
assessment in any case--at a minimum your new dentist will want to take
at least a few additional x-rays anyhow.
Steve
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 08 Apr 2006 23:35 GMT
Insurance companies will return the x-rays after they used them to make
decisions about claims relating to you case. It is possible that they
got lost in the mail if that is the case blame the post office or the
insurance company.
I've had a case recently where the insurance company sent my office
x-rays belonging to a patient not in my practice. This is exactly what
can happen when you have insurance companies outsource claims for
review by foreign licenced dentists.
There is no tracking system in place for this problem. Fortunately with
digital x-rays everyone who needs to get a copy will be able to have
good quality images and losing them in the mail will not be a problem.
This does require the dentist taking the films to have a good back-up
of the hard drive as electronic data can be lost due to hard drive
failure.
Clinton - 09 Apr 2006 04:37 GMT
> I've had a case recently where the insurance company sent my office
> x-rays belonging to a patient not in my practice.
Another good reason why the patient should own their own x-rays. If
there
is any doubt just inform your dentist that you don't want them showing
pictures of your mouth about town to strangers!
Steven Bornfeld - 09 Apr 2006 12:36 GMT
>>I've had a case recently where the insurance company sent my office
>>x-rays belonging to a patient not in my practice.
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> is any doubt just inform your dentist that you don't want them showing
> pictures of your mouth about town to strangers!
Anyone not wishing to allow release of their x-rays to insurance
companies may, of course. You sign that little box on the insurance
claim form to allow it.
Of course, that means the insurance company won't pay.
Your choice.
Steve
Clinton - 09 Apr 2006 04:40 GMT
> Insurance companies will return the x-rays after they used them to make
> decisions about claims relating to you case.
Why does the insurance company get the orginals but the patient only
gets copies?
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 09 Apr 2006 07:22 GMT
Whether insurance and/or patient gets originals depends on the dental
practice some simply send out the original because they have no means
of duplicating the film or are not reimbursed for the duplicating. It's
not like insurance companies pay for the duplicating there is no
billable ADA code for this, ask a patient to pay for the duplicating so
that a copy would be sent to the insurance company especially after
they just paid for the originals and all you get is complaints. There
are double film for intra-oral small films but not for Panorex.
Steven Bornfeld - 09 Apr 2006 12:38 GMT
>>Insurance companies will return the x-rays after they used them to make
>>decisions about claims relating to you case.
>
> Why does the insurance company get the orginals but the patient only
> gets copies?
The insurance company shouldn't get the only original. I use double
films, so I have two originals.
Steve
Jorge Bonilla - 09 Apr 2006 16:42 GMT
Most dentists try to have a "backup original", either duplicate film or
digital image. We've decided to do this because insurance companies
tend to lose them. What we haven't thought much about is that the
making of backups is practically duplicating the cost for us of each
film, while the insurance company will pay less than our regular fee.
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 09 Apr 2006 21:38 GMT
You have double panoramic film???
Also I think if the insurance company needs to see an x-ray then the
insurance company should pay for the film.
Steven Bornfeld - 09 Apr 2006 21:45 GMT
> You have double panoramic film???
> Also I think if the insurance company needs to see an x-ray then the
> insurance company should pay for the film.
No, I don't do pans. I don't know if they make double pan films, but
they should.
Insurance companies manage to lose my digital files too. ;-)
(I don't have digital x-rays, but I use NEA--I scan the x-rays)
Steve
Tony Bad - 09 Apr 2006 22:25 GMT
> You have double panoramic film???
> Also I think if the insurance company needs to see an x-ray then the
> insurance company should pay for the film.
Shouldn't the patient pay?...they are the one who wants something from the
insurance company.
T
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 10 Apr 2006 04:41 GMT
I think the patient should pay for the x-rays needed for the procedure.
Any other x-rays are unnecessary exposure to radiation even with
digital and if this is required by the insurance company to process the
claim and the patient consents for these x-rays so that the insurance
company pays the bill then I feel the insurance company should pay for
these films. This way insurance companies have an inscentive not to
subject the patient to unnecessary radiation. Insurance companies are
not health care providers and if they manipulate the patient and doctor
to perform unnecessary x-rays for the purpose of delaying or
"processing" claims then it is only fair that they should pay the bill.
After all the patient is not directly paying for their consultant
dentist to process the claim why should they pay for films that the
insurance company wants??? Does not make sense to me. I realize this is
not how things are done now but it should be one as I described to be
fair to everyone.
Clinton - 09 Apr 2006 04:45 GMT
> Insurance companies will return the x-rays after they used them to make
> decisions about claims relating to you case
I didn't realize that insurance companies were liscenced to practice
medicine, maybe I should have my car mechanic shedule me for
surgery!
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 09 Apr 2006 07:28 GMT
Yet many patients leave the fate of their teeth based on whether their
insurance company will pay for the procedure.
So despite everything people tend to trust their health to an insurance
company more than their health care provider.
Most people tend to foolishly believe that the people paying their bill
really care about preserving their teeth.
Joel344 - 10 Apr 2006 01:05 GMT
Truth be told .....
The insurance companies do hold the line on
fees and costs ..... without which some dentists run wild!
Joel

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