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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / March 2006Amalgmas; don't sweat it existing DDS's
Check Aol; "What Dentists don't want you to know". Rest assured DDS's, people like Joel are on your side - I would be comforted with that. Thankfully, patients are at least being exposed to a choice - are you pro-choice? 2. "Those old metal fillings of yours may be leaking toxic waste." When Rep. Diane Watson (D., Calif.) learned the mercury in her fillings could end up in her blood, she decided to have them removed. But she met with resistance from local dentists who thought it was unnecessary or worried about health risks from dislodging the fillings. Watson ignored their advice and had the work done in Mexico; she's now sponsoring a bill to phase out mercury in fillings by 2009. Most fillings dentists use today are amalgams, a mixture of mercury, silver and tin once thought completely stable. But amalgams have been found to leak mercury vapor that can pass into the bloodstream at the rate of 10 micrograms a day - four times what the average person consumes daily in her diet. "There's no question that it's harming people," says Richard D. Fischer, a Virginia dentist, who cites studies where sheep and monkeys given amalgam fillings showed decreased kidney function and traces of mercury in other organs. To avoid amalgams, you can request pricier resin fillings. But following Watson's lead isn't the best idea: Removal of amalgams can release a surge of mercury if the dentist isn't extremely careful, Fischer says. I know St. Michaelmas and Christmas, but what is Amalgmas -- Joel34 > I know St. Michaelmas and Christmas, but what is Amalgmas? St. Amalg is the patron saint of mackerels. letsconnect Wrote: > > I know St. Michaelmas and Christmas, but what is Amalgmas? > > St. Amalg is the patron saint of mackerels. R E P L Y OK, got it. This is where we get the phrase, Holy Mackerel. -- Joel34 >I know St. Michaelmas and Christmas, but what is Amalgmas? >Joel344 Joel, The predictable moron. Chuck Wrote: > >I know St. Michaelmas and Christmas, but what is Amalgmas? > -- > >Joel344 > > Joel, The predictable moron. R E P L Y Ho-ho, good one Chuck. A real knee-slapper -- Joel34 > Chuck Wrote: > > >I know St. Michaelmas and Christmas, but what is Amalgmas? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ho-ho, good one Chuck. A real knee-slapper. The original Joel would never have posted such a crass reply. When all you can offer is to deflect attention from a correspondent's message by ridiculing the typing errors in it, then I think that you reveal a deep-seated insecurity in your own position on the point that they are making. (Not to mention the lack of any rational argument against it.) And I am confident that top psychoanalysts would agree with me. Keith P Walsh > When all you can offer is to deflect attention from a correspondent's > message by ridiculing the typing errors in it, then I think that you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Keith P Walsh A dentist might experinece psychological collapse if their conscious mind was able to grasp the unconsious reality of leaky Hg fillings! Ever hear of the theory of the hidden observer? They teach it in pyshcology 101 (which I took as an elective). Turns out you can't make people do or say certain things, even under hypnosis. For example they hypnostized people and tried to have them do thing which would be potentially unwise or very counter to their personality (under safe conditions unbeknownest to the hypnotized subjects). Turns out that deep in the conscious lie's what psychologists call the "hidden observer". It is the "hidden eye" of an individual which repersents their core beliefs and personal boundaries, which they might not even be aware of themselves, but is always present in consious thought, unconscious thought and even under hypnosis! So if someone really believes as their core belief that amalgam is not harmful they will never do or say anything which contradicts that even, if it means using silly counter arguments which border on absurdity, because thier "hidden observer" won't let them. This is what you are seeing a lot on SMD. > So if someone really believes as their core belief that amalgam is not > harmful they will never do or say anything which contradicts that even, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thier "hidden observer" won't let them. This is what you are seeing a > lot on SMD. _________________________ Then would it be fair and balanced to say: "So if someone really believes as their core belief that amalgam IS harmful they will never do or say anything which contradicts that even if it means using silly counter arguments which border on absurdity, because their "hidden observer" won't let them. This is what you are seeing a lot on SMD." - dentaldoc > > So if someone really believes as their core belief that amalgam is not > > harmful they will never do or say anything which contradicts that even, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "So if someone really believes as their core belief that amalgam IS > harmful they will never do or say anything which contradicts that > The difference is most amalgam "victims" speak from real adverse experience and keep in mind that many dentists have sued amalgam manufacturer's when they experienced adverse effects firsthand even though they had previously been brainwashed. In other words, conjecturing that someting is true without truly doing real research or personally experiencing a contradiction to that, results in a core belief which is likely to remain unchanged, until that kind of occurence. This is why racism persists for so long, because typically the group of people engaging in racist core beliefs never experience racism themselves. Placing an amalgam in a patient and failing to test for toxicity or classifying them as hysterical if they claim any problems still insulates you one degree from reality. Now, typically I would guess in psychology trials the subjects refused the extreme suggestion from the hypnotist so their their core beliefs were never challenged during that trial, but if they followed an extreme suggestion without negative consequences (perhaps after being fooled into doing so) thier "hidden observer" might allow them to follow that suggestion next time. It is certainly true IMO however, that most people seem to have pre-designated bielef systems which are really never directly challenged in real life. And that would certainly be true of anybody. But that is precisley WHY it IS silly to listen to the "experts" on issues that are complex and can be viewed many ways using various kinds of justifications and you might as well toss a coin to find out if the "current consensus is correct". > The difference is most amalgam "victims" speak from real adverse > experience Does this include the reports that the symptoms of heavy metal poisoning vanish the day the amalgams are removed? There ain't a whole lot of "real" in that. T and keep in mind that many dentists have sued amalgam > manufacturer's > when they experienced adverse effects firsthand even though they had [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > justifications and you might as well toss a coin to find out if the > "current consensus is correct". Agreed, remember you are exposed to the higest concentrations of Hg when the amalgam is removed, vapors released, etc, so All of this I am better now the day of removal is a bunch of placebo becuae they were just megadosed with exposure. >> The difference is most amalgam "victims" speak from real adverse >> experience [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> justifications and you might as well toss a coin to find out if the >> "current consensus is correct". > Agreed, remember you are exposed to the higest concentrations of Hg > when the amalgam is removed, vapors released, etc, so All of this I am > better now the day of removal is a bunch of placebo becuae they were > just megadosed with exposure. No ,as many people with amalgam problems have developed jaw problems in the area, including OM. And as some dentists here know there was a lot of Jaw damage on my x-rays. At any rate it is clear and proven scientifically that amalgam can corrode realizing hundreds of times the "normal Hg levels" and it is also clear that mouth and gut bacteria can methylize this in some cases to a more toxic form, particularly when there is a lot of decay near the filliing. In this case the brief "megadose" of elemental Hg exposure would be insignificant. You've boosted this up to be the greatest possible level of exposure based on your own flawed models of amalgam and bacteria interactionl Then used this false assumption to "prove" your placebo theory. Why even post this filling is the highest level of exposure baloney when there are Tons of studies such as the Tubigen study showing regular fillings dosing people with many times 'safe levels". Just becasue you go to dental school and they give you some simplistic model of an amalgam which doesn't even include methyliztion (and indeed they may have even taught you in the 60' 70's that amalam doesn't release any Hg at all) and WELL KNOWN by know mechanisms of SEVERE corrosion, why spread this misinformation on the internet representing yourself as a professional dentist. And my question still stands. Will you use your real name and state what the upper limit is on Hg release from an amalgam currently installed in a patient in the US? > Does this include the reports that the symptoms of heavy metal poisoning > vanish the day the amalgams are removed? > > There ain't a whole lot of "real" in that. On the other hand, if those symptoms are actually caused by the dissipation of electrical energy through the nerves in people's heads as a result of the electrical potentials generated by the amalgam fillings in their teeth, then this would provide a much more rational explanation as to why such symptoms are often reported as disappearing quite quickly when amalgam fillings are removed. Did you know that it has been demonstrated experimentally that metal amalgam dental fillings generate electrical potentials with magnitudes of up to 350 millivolts? You can read all about it at: http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm And it is apparently the case that these electrical potentials are generally always present, because other studies have demonstrated that they quickly re-establish themselves whenever they are momentarily discharged. See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2 103035&dopt=Abstract However, in spite of the fact that the resting potential of the human neurological synapse is only 70 millivolts, it appears that experimental investigations to determine whether or not amalgam potentials are able to dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people's heads have STILL never been carried out. I think that this amounts to some serious ignorance. And if you were being honest I think that you would have to admit that this ignorance is shared by you. Keith P Walsh > > The difference is most amalgam "victims" speak from real adverse > > experience [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > There ain't a whole lot of "real" in that. If you took the time to read other lists your would see that most amalgam patients report months/years of up and down recovery. Yet I don't see you citing that as evidence of their veracity. However in my case there was a tremednous amount of decay near the filling, some have even reported liquified materail, so removing a pocket of nasty corroded amalgam residue and Hg methylating bacteria could certainly result in a quick reduction in toxic load. This is real life, it is complex, things don't always happen according the the ideal rules you have set up in your simple little world.
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