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Extraction failed 2nd attempt. Advice vm appreciated

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dave - 16 Mar 2006 14:05 GMT
I would really very much appreciate an expert view on the situation below if
someone can spare the time to reply.

I've just returned from a 2nd failed attempt at removing a lower molar.

It was decayed below the gum. This time the crown snapped off just below the gum
line! The dentist spent 1/2 hour trying to get the two "prongs" (sorry I've no
idea what they are properly called) out without success. He said at one point he
needed a narrow <something> tool because there was little to grip in order to
extract the pieces (which were still very painful when pulled upwards), but
didn't have one. I have no idea if this tool would have made much differernce
though the way things were going.

He then said he would refer me to the hospital. Which was both a shock and huge
disappointment to me - have just gone though all that.

He then changed his mind and said he'd like to "reassess" things in a week (with
a view, I think, to another attempt at removing what's still there).

I asked whether the nerves were now exposed as the top of the tooth was missing
and was very worried I could be in extreme pain if this was the case. He said no
the nerves were out crown but I would experience pain from bone and gums after
the attempted extraction.

I don't mean to imply the dentist doesn't know what he is doing in the slightest
I think this is a difficult task with this tooth (angle it's at etc) - but I
just cannot decide on a course of action now. Should I go with what he says - or
ask he reconsider his first oprtion and refer me to the dental hospital?

Is he correct about the nerve being gone now?

I just remembered he also said, sometimes those parts can be left in place. Is
this a realistic option?

At the moment I am dreading when the local anathestic wears off and what it may
be like.

Many TIA for comments on any of the above.
letsconnect - 16 Mar 2006 18:11 GMT
>He said at one point he
> needed a narrow <something> tool because there was little to grip in order to
> extract the pieces (which were still very painful when pulled upwards), but
> didn't have one.

Tools are generally a good idea when trying to do dentistry...
dave - 16 Mar 2006 18:27 GMT
>>He said at one point he
>> needed a narrow <something> tool because there was little to grip in order to
>> extract the pieces (which were still very painful when pulled upwards), but
>> didn't have one.
>
>Tools are generally a good idea when trying to do dentistry...

Thanks for that. A real help. I'm sure you'll get similar help one day and think
of this.
Clinton - 16 Mar 2006 20:15 GMT
> >>He said at one point he
> >> needed a narrow <something> tool because there was little to grip in order to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks for that. A real help. I'm sure you'll get similar help one day and think
> of this.

I am not a dentist however, dealing with dental issues for sometime I
think it makes sense to see an oral surgeon. In fact it seems like many
dentists will refer to an oral surgeon right from the start for an
extraction. Ask your dentist to refer you  an OS immediately and I
would guess (though again
I am not a dentist) if the oral surgeron feels there is a severe
infection he will
recommend further referral to a hospital setting, otherwise he (or she)
will
complete the extraction themselves! All they do at a hospital anyway is
have you attended to by the staff OS.
letsconnect - 16 Mar 2006 20:27 GMT
> >>He said at one point he
> >> needed a narrow <something> tool because there was little to grip in order to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks for that. A real help. I'm sure you'll get similar help one day and think
> of this.

OK, what I was trying to say was: he strikes me as incompetent (without
mentioning the word incompetent).
Joel344 - 16 Mar 2006 20:07 GMT
Its most likely an "elevator." In skilled hands
a dentist can mioraculously remove even a
very stubborn root tip!

Joel

letsconnect Wrote:
> >He said at one point he
> > needed a narrow <something> tool because there was little to grip i
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Tools are generally a good idea when trying to do dentistry..

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Joel34
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 16 Mar 2006 20:23 GMT
> I would really very much appreciate an expert view on the situation below if
> someone can spare the time to reply.
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Many TIA for comments on any of the above.

    I'm not getting something.  If a dentist is one of the only ones in
town, by necessity they usually become quite good at extractions because
there are no specialists to refer to.  If there are surgeons around,
they should be able to handle this.  Even a dentist who doesn't do
difficult extractions (me, for example) have routine surgical
instruments, elevators, etc. to remove roots.  If he doesn't have the
correct tools for the job, he should refer.  Don't know where you are,
but in the US that usually means an oral and maxillofacial surgeon.
    Having a patient back multiple visits to try again isn't what I'd do.
If I've tried once and failed, it's time to refer.

Good luck,
Steve

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dave - 17 Mar 2006 00:59 GMT
>I'm not getting something.  If a dentist is one of the only ones in
>town, by necessity they usually become quite good at extractions because
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>correct tools for the job, he should refer.  Don't know where you are,
>but in the US that usually means an oral and maxillofacial surgeon.

I'm in the UK. Apparently there isn't sufficient material to "get a grip on".
Looking in the mirror just now I can see what he means. It may not be the
solution (the other instrument) because being narrower it flexes (apparently).

At the moment I just don't know what to do. I have an appointment to return to
him next week for this assesement. I think the options will be:-

-He tries again to remove what's left
-He refers me to the Dental Hospital
-The bits stay there (I'm not even sure if this is a realitic option).

One big concern I have is that when he did manage to get a good hold, the pain
felt as he pulled was considerable - I don't think I could stand much more than
I did then. Although the other parts of the work weren't too bad. I did have
about 7 injections in there though! So, I wonder what the hospital has to offer
that he hasn't (better/differnt anathetics maybe?)

Well, I'm off to get some more pain killers - and very little sleep I think.

Thanks for your thoughts.
letsconnect - 17 Mar 2006 06:19 GMT
> One big concern I have is that when he did manage to get a good hold, the pain
> felt as he pulled was considerable - I don't think I could stand much more than
> I did then. Although the other parts of the work weren't too bad. I did have
> about 7 injections in there though! So, I wonder what the hospital has to offer
> that he hasn't (better/differnt anathetics maybe?)

They'll have the works - a dentist who can do the job, the right
instruments, and sedation options if you need/want them (nitrous/IV).

Apologies for being flippant earlier on.
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 18 Mar 2006 07:10 GMT
Dave
if you fly down to Los Angeles - make a vacation out of it - just tell
the airlines and immigration its for emergency surgery, I can guarantee
you I will be able to extract these root tips.
If you wait too long bone can grow over them  and make things even more
difficult.
I would imagine if this tooth is not a wisdom tooth you would want to
place an implant.
You can reach my office at 0870-3401370 (This is a local number in the
UK that will automatically link your call to my office in the US) just
make sure when you call its during my business hours Pacific Time or
you will get the answering machine.
Joel344 - 18 Mar 2006 14:08 GMT
Excellent Alexander,

But I am wondering why call the U.K. to call the U.S.?
Me? I only call New Zealand to call the U.S.

Joel

Alexander Vasserman DDS Wrote:
> Dave
> if you fly down to Los Angeles - make a vacation out of it - just tell
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> make sure when you call its during my business hours Pacific Time or
> you will get the answering machine

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Joel34
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 19 Mar 2006 07:01 GMT
Joel

dave claims he is in the UK.
Joel344 - 19 Mar 2006 23:09 GMT
Alexander Vasserman DDS Wrote:
> Joel
>
> dave claims he is in the UK.

Oh boy then it will be costly to fly to San Diego
for root tip extraction.

Joel

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letsconnect - 20 Mar 2006 00:09 GMT
Joel344 Wrote:
> Oh boy then it will be costly to fly to San Diego
> for root tip extraction.
> Joel
You've forgotten about the Polident flight promotion :-P !

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