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amalgam placements - don't do it.

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amalgam_is_poison@nomail.thanks - 07 Mar 2006 14:13 GMT
Better to have your tooth/teeth pulled than have amalgam placed in them.

Amalgam - mercury amalgam - is massively neurotoxic, it is responsible
for many thousands of cases of mental illness (mad hatter disease). It
will also damage just about any organ it comes into contact with.

Mercury released from amalgam placements may be ingested or inhaled, it
may also be converted to the vastly more potent organic methyl form from
the elemental form.

Dentists still use amalgam today because to give it up would be an admission
that they are wrong, that they were medically negligent and scientifically
incompetant.


Bill - 07 Mar 2006 16:36 GMT
> Better to have your tooth/teeth pulled than have amalgam placed in them.
______________________

How do we know that you aren't just a crooked dentist who is trying to
steer people into spending MUCH more money than they have to?

By criticizing the least expensive treatment, you want to push people
to dig into their life savings, making you rich, right?

Are you one of those "total makeover" dentists who clobber people for
$30,000.00 instead of opting for a $70 filling?

- dentaldoc
phildoc - 08 Mar 2006 01:57 GMT
> Better to have your tooth/teeth pulled than have amalgam placed in them.

A completely ridiculous notion.  This must be a troll.

> Amalgam - mercury amalgam - is massively neurotoxic, it is responsible
> for many thousands of cases of mental illness (mad hatter disease). It
> will also damage just about any organ it comes into contact with.

Seafood, particularly tuna (albacore), is worse.  The daily recomended
intake of tuna for adults is less than 20 oz. a week, specifically due to
mercury toxicity issues.  Look at how much is in one can and you'll quickly
realize how little of it you should be eating.  And pregnant women are to
avoid it almost entirely.  I've never heard of such restrictions applied to
amalgam.  Let's keep some perspective here.

> Mercury released from amalgam placements may be ingested or inhaled, it
> may also be converted to the vastly more potent organic methyl form from
> the elemental form.

As found in the above mentioned seafood.

> Dentists still use amalgam today because to give it up would be an
> admission
> that they are wrong, that they were medically negligent and scientifically
> incompetant.

To give up amalgam would lead to substandard restorations being placed in
certain conditions.  Composite is not always the appropriate choice.

--Phil
Chuck - 08 Mar 2006 09:43 GMT
>Seafood, particularly tuna (albacore), is worse.

Agreed. Mercury is of no benefit in the human body (actually quite the
contrary). The notion that ("amalgams aren't that bad, look at tuna!")
is absurd. CB
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/chuck_balzer.html
steve - 09 Mar 2006 10:10 GMT
>> Better to have your tooth/teeth pulled than have amalgam placed in them.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> are to avoid it almost entirely.  I've never heard of such restrictions
> applied to amalgam.

Then you don't know anything about restrictions issued to dentists in
parts of europe regarding placing amalgam in children and pregnant women.

> Let's keep some perspective here.

Yes lets. Lets start by not reading up on this subject shall we?


>> Mercury released from amalgam placements may be ingested or inhaled, it
>> may also be converted to the vastly more potent organic methyl form from
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> To give up amalgam would lead to substandard restorations being placed in
> certain conditions.  Composite is not always the appropriate choice.

Dentistry is a rip off industry. Thereare alternatives, they just need to
be made affordable. And dentists should stop expecting massive salaries
and dreaming about yachts.

> --Phil
phildoc - 11 Mar 2006 01:04 GMT
>>> Better to have your tooth/teeth pulled than have amalgam placed in them.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Then you don't know anything about restrictions issued to dentists in
> parts of europe regarding placing amalgam in children and pregnant women.

Of course I don't.  I practice in the US.  European standards/restrictions
have no bearing on my practice.  I find that the information that I'm
getting from the US journals is sufficient.

>> Let's keep some perspective here.
>
> Yes lets. Lets start by not reading up on this subject shall we?

I "read up" on the standards of practice here in the US.  Since I see
children exclusively, I can't say that I'm current on treatment restrictions
for pregnant women other than limiting it to certain trimesters.  But there
are no restrictions (other than the ongoing autism debate) to placing
amalgam in children.

> Dentistry is a rip off industry. Thereare alternatives, they just need to
> be made affordable. And dentists should stop expecting massive salaries
> and dreaming about yachts.

And there you have it, folks.  I knew that it would eventually descend to
finger pointing and insults.  It really does wonders for your argument.  And
don't worry.  I have no "boat envy".

--Phil
steve - 11 Mar 2006 10:49 GMT
>>>> Better to have your tooth/teeth pulled than have amalgam placed in
>>>> them.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> have no bearing on my practice.  I find that the information that I'm
> getting from the US journals is sufficient.

Well it would be. For a country like yours.


>>> Let's keep some perspective here.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> trimesters.  But there are no restrictions (other than the ongoing autism
> debate) to placing amalgam in children.

Have you read about the warning notices (CA) that are placed in the
dentists office?

>> Dentistry is a rip off industry. Thereare alternatives, they just need
>> to be made affordable. And dentists should stop expecting massive
>> salaries and dreaming about yachts.
>
> And there you have it, folks.  I knew that it would eventually descend to
> finger pointing and insults.

Now do you have a working hypothesis for that forgone conclusion of yours?
You got a crystal ball maybe? :-)

> It really does wonders for your argument.

Are you saying it is not true?

> And don't worry.  I have no "boat envy".

How would you know? It's a subconscious thing you know. Oh right, you
wouldn't know not doing medicine or anything like that right?

> --Phil
Bill - 15 Mar 2006 21:39 GMT
"Have you read about the warning notices (CA) that are placed in the
dentists office?"
________________________

No. Please tell us what you know about these "warning notices."

- dentaldoc
Joel344 - 09 Mar 2006 15:19 GMT
somebody Wrote:
> Seafood, particularly tuna (albacore), is worse.  The daily recomended
> intake of tuna for adults is less than 20 oz. a week, specifically du
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> applied to
> amalgam.  Let's keep some perspective here.

We agree. By the way, how do you get the seafood to stick
inside the cavity and doesn't it wash away when the guy chews?

Joe

--
Joel34
phildoc - 11 Mar 2006 00:22 GMT
> somebody Wrote:
>> Seafood, particularly tuna (albacore), is worse.  The daily recomended
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Joel

Joel, do you actually read what you're writing?  Or do you find that you
fade in and out?
Jan - 13 Mar 2006 19:38 GMT
> > Better to have your tooth/teeth pulled than have amalgam placed in them.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> avoid it almost entirely.  I've never heard of such restrictions applied to
> amalgam.  Let's keep some perspective here.

Great suggestion. Let's skip over this famous diversion and LIE.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/amalno1.html

"Dental Amalgam Fillings" is the Number One Source of Mercury in People
and
Exposure Exceeds Government Health Standards for Inorganic
mercury(vapor)
Bernard Windham(Ed.) - Chemical Engineer
Government agencies and medical studies have found that the number one
source of mercury in people is from dental amalgam fillings(ref
2-20,26,27). Exposure from fillings amounts to from 50 to 90 percent of
exposure, with the average being about 80 % of total exposure
(5-9,12-15,19,20,26,27). The studies found that mercury amalgams are
unstable due to mercury's low vapor pressure and galvanic action(24),
leaking mercury vapor continuously into the lungs and saliva at levels
exceeding health standards. The amount of mercury released by a gold
alloy bridge over amalgam over a 10 year period was measured to be
approx. 101 milligrams(mg) (60% of total) or 30 micrograms(ug) per
day(21b), and other studies have found similar results for amalgam
fillings(21a,12,18,etc.).
Mercury exposure of most people with fillings was found to exceed
government health standards and levels found to cause adverse health
effects(see below).
The tolerable daily exposure level for mercury developed in a report
for Health Canada is .014 micrograms/kilogram body weight(ug/kg) or
approximately 1 ug/day for average adult(2). The U.S. EPA Health
Standard for elemental mercury exposure(vapor) is 0.3 micrograms per
cubic meter of air(1). The U.S. ATSDR health standard(MRL) for mercury
vapor is 0.2 ug/ M3 of air, and the MRL for methyl mercury is 0.3 ug/kg
body weight/day(4). For the average adult breathing 20 M3 of air per
day, this amounts to an exposure of 4 or 6 ug/day for the 2 elemental
mercury standards. The EPA health guideline for methyl mercury is 0.1
ug/kg body weight per day or 7 ug for the average adult(1).
The range of mercury exposure levels found in people with amalgam
fillings by
the World Health Organization Scientific Panel on Mercury was 3 to 70
micrograms per day(3), with other medical studies finding up to 500
ug/day in gum chewers or people who grind their teeth(6,11,16,17,18) or
some with large numbers of fillings. The average amount absorbed was
above 10 ug/day (ref. 3-18). The average mercury exposure for a
Canadian adult with amalgam fillings was found in the Health Canada
study to be 9 ug/day(2). In a large German study with 20,000 tested
subjects at a University Medical Clinic, the average exposure from
fillings was over 10 ug/day and over 50 % of all those with 6 or more
amalgam fillings had daily exposure exceeding the EPA health
guideline(6).
Note that the amount of mercury excreted in feces, as opposed to
absorbed, is much higher than most of these estimates of mercury
absorbed by the body. Daily excretion through feces amounted to from 30
to 190 ug of mercury, being more variable than other paths(7). Other
studies had similar findings(9,12,17-19) . Most with several amalgams
had daily fecal excretion levels over 50 ug/day. The reference average
level of mercury in feces(dry weight) for those tested at Doctors Data
Lab with amalgam fillings is .26 mg/kg, compared to the reference
average level for those without amalgam fillings of .02 mg/kg(27). (13
times that of the population w/o amalgam). Other labs found similar
results(27). This level of mercury gives a daily excretion of over 30
micrograms per day. There is also evidence that amalgam is also the
largest source of methyl mercury in most people with amalgam, based on
studies and medical lab tests of those who have amalgam
replaced(26,27,12). Mercury vapor and inorganic mercury have been
documented to be methylated to methyl mercury by mouth and intestinal
bacteria, along with candida albicans and other methyl donars(28), so
that even people who don't eat fish but do have several amalgam
fillings have high levels of methyl mercury in saliva and blood.
Studies have consistently found modern high copper non gamma-two
amalgams have greater release of mercury vapor than conventional silver
amalgams (21-23,25). Recent studies have concluded that because of the
high mercury release levels of modern amalgams, mercury poisoning from
amalgam fillings is widespread throughout the population"(17,22,18,6).
Common levels found in persons with amalgam fillings are over 10 times
the Health Canada TDE, and more than the EPA health standard for
mercury vapor. Thus persons with amalgam fillings have levels of
intraoral mercury vapor and body exposure levels higher than the level
considered to have significant health risk.
The studies found that Total mercury intake is proportional to the
number and extent of amalgam surfaces, but other factors such as
chewing gum and drinking hot liquids influence the intake significantly
increasing exposure as much as 500%. ).
A World Health Organzation Scientific Panel concluded that a safe level
of mercury exposure below which no adverse effects occur has never been
established(3)

Now on to correcting even more misinformation.

http://tinyurl.com/oufe5

Ohio news conference continues momentum. In front of several TV
cameras,
Representative Annie Key announces bill to ban mercury fillings for
Ohio
children and pregnant women, making Ohio the 8th state to have such a
bill.

State legislators across USA renew efforts against mercury fillings.
Assemblyman Dick Dickerson (R-Calif.) introduced a resolution against
the
FDAregulation (see (3), below). Representative Johnny Rogers (D-Ala.)
promisesmajor action in 2003, as do Rep. Bob Holmes (D-Ga.), Reps.
Karen
Johnson &Debra Brimhall (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Mary Flowers (D-Ill.) Sen.
Mike
Michaud(D-Me.) and Rep. Hal Lynde (R-N.H.) passed their bills this
year.

Dental Board Committee Chair Yokoyama proposes California recommend
nomercury fillings for children, pregnant women. The president of the
new
California dental board, Dr. Alan Kay, appointed Dr.Chet Yokoyama, a
mercury-free dentist, to chair a committee to write a consumer-friendly
"fact
sheet" about the risks of mercury fillings. At the August meeting in
San
Francisco, Dr. Yokoyama proposed that the Board recommend that children
and
pregnant women not receive mercury fillings. He will hold hearings on
this
issue in November in Los Angeles.

NAACP national conference endorses ban for children, pregnant women. In
a
historic breakthrough, the annual convention of delegates of one of our

nation's oldest and most respected organizations endorsed the
Watson-Burtonbill, and called for a ban on mercury fillings for
children,
pregnant women,and nursing mothers. Meanwhile, standing up to huge
pressure
from organized dentistry, the National Black Caucus of State
Legislators stood
firm on its resolution supporting Watson-Burton. To witness the
leadership
byAfrican-American organizations in pointing the way - certainly
something
we have seen before in our recent history - is gratifying indeed.

Maine's Bill LD1409 "An Act To Address The Health Effects of Mercury
Fillings"
will be formally signed on Thursday, August 23rd at 11:00 a.m. atthe
Governor's
office in Aususta Maine. The bill will require dentists toprovide
patients with
a brochure and to post a sign in the waiting room explaining that
amalgams
contain mercury and the health risks involved.

It's being agrued in Florida also.

The New Hampshire Legislature passed one of the strongest bills so far,
HB
1251

AN ACT relative to the use of mercury amalgam fillings by dentists.

This bill requires dentists and the department of health and human
services
to provide health information on restorative dental materials, and
requires the
department of environmental services to adopt rules for the disposal of
mercury
amalgam waste in an environmentally-appropriate manner. New York
Assemblyman Richard Brodsky (D-Westchester) introduced a broad-sweeping
bill which, if enacted, would alter the practice of dentistry in New
York State.
The legislation (A.4209), known as the Comprehensive Management of
Waste Mercury

Act of 2001, would also ban thermometers, fluorescent lights and other
products that contain mercury, in what the sponsor says is an effort to
cut the
amount of mercury entering sewers, landfills and incinerators. Amalgam
dental fillings have been found to be a major source of mercury in
sewers from human waste in household and office sewer systems, and
thermometers, thermostats, and fluorescent lights are
major sources

entering landfills. A Senate version of the bill is expected to be
introduced by Senator Michael Balboni (R/C-Nassau).

Measures similar to A.4209 are being considered in Connecticut, Maine,
Florida, Maryland, Massachusetts, Maine, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New
Jersey, Oregon and Rhode Island, and indeed, the bill is modeled on a
law Vermont passed in
1998.

> > Mercury released from amalgam placements may be ingested or inhaled, it
> > may also be converted to the vastly more potent organic methyl form from
> > the elemental form.
>
> As found in the above mentioned seafood.

Sorry, seafood is not the subject, neither does it release mercury
vapors.

> > Dentists still use amalgam today because to give it up would be an
> > admission
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> --Phil

To give up amalgam would indeed be the right thing to do.

http://www.mercurypolicy.org/
Joel344 - 09 Mar 2006 14:15 GMT
OK we do composite exclusively, but for esthetics
and function more than fear of pizining.

Joe

--
Joel34
Joel344 - 12 Mar 2006 14:21 GMT
You wrote,

Better to have your tooth/teeth pulled than have amalgam placed i
them.

Amalgam - mercury amalgam - is massively neurotoxic, it is responsible
for many thousands of cases of mental illness (mad hatter disease). It
will also damage just about any organ it comes into contact with

I wrote,

How can the District Attorney and Prosecutors
earn a living is you keep warning everybody?
Hey! Those guys got to live too and they earn
their living by persecuting the piziners

--
Joel34
Joel344 - 16 Mar 2006 00:06 GMT
What do you meanh neurotonic?>

amalgam_is_poison@nomail.thanks Wrote:
> Better to have your tooth/teeth pulled than have amalgam placed i
> them.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> scientifically
> incompetant

--
Joel34
Joel344 - 16 Mar 2006 00:06 GMT
See what I mean Paw ....? Its not to early to get toothless ......

amalgam_is_poison@nomail.thanks Wrote:
> Better to have your tooth/teeth pulled than have amalgam placed in them.

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Joel344

Joel344 - 16 Mar 2006 20:07 GMT
Do not pizin folks with mercury filings ...... I suppose

--
Joel34
Joel344 - 17 Mar 2006 00:09 GMT
....some have been pizined ......

--
Joel34
 
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