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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / February 2006We are up to 86 members, feel free to join
Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental questions. As you no doubt have already noticed, this site has been hijacked by trolls trying to fabricate issues about toxicity levels and diseases which do not exist. For years, the dentists who have participated on this news group have tried to debate these trolls scientifically, tried to argue with them or just tried to ignore these posters. Unfortunately, these trolls have chosen to continue their barrage of attacks against science and proven methods of legitimate dental care. Finally, this group of dentists and ancillary personnel, have chosen to simply go away. The down side of this is that a lot of good people are left with their legitimate questions and concerns un-answered. As a group, we [the regular posters from this news group] have been discussing how to fill the void left by the absence of virtually all dental professionals from this news group. After thorough discussion, we have chosen to open a separate internet forum for people to ask questions, debate dental science, review techniques, learn about regulatory issues, etc. We have created this forum at: www.scimeddentistry.com/smd We welcome anyone to come to this site and discuss dental topics and concerns. To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site, there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is rude, abusive, vulgar, or posts unwanted advertisements for other sites. Spam will not be tolerated, nor will any Troll-type behavior. Participating in the site requires a valid email address. There is a log-in process where you register and receive a confirmation email back prior to gaining access to the site. This is only to enable us to eliminate those posters who are abusive to the group. No information about any poster is collected, no information is being sold or distributed to others. A cookie is utilized only to enable the registration process and subsequent log-ins. The site is now getting going fairly well, however, be patient if it takes a few hours (or more) to get replies to your questions. Please understand that the regulars who volunteer to be available at this site do so as volunteers only. We receive no compensation beyond the opportunity to discuss our favorite topics with interested people. No one is getting paid to be there, and we all have lives outside of the internet. Although at times, that may seem hard to believe. Please register on the site, obtain your email confirmation, and initiate or join in on some discussion. Please direct responses to the web-site and we will address any issues you may have. Sincerely, Amatus Cremona Your a weirdo. > Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental > questions. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Amatus Cremona > Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental > questions. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > trying to fabricate issues about toxicity levels and diseases which do not > exist. This is a blatant lie. Steve Mancuso is hiding behind this name. There is most certainly toxicity levels and diseases, called *mercury poisoning* which DOES EXIST* it came from AMALGAMS. Steve Mancuso LIED about that FACT for years, and called those that posted the FACTS, trolls. He also made up all kinds of LIES about *ME* and and called *ME* a troll. For years, the dentists who have participated on this news group > have tried to debate these trolls scientifically, tried to argue with them > or just tried to ignore these posters. That is another LIE! Steve refused to discuss when the going got tough! Tricks Backfired, Dr Steve REFUSES To Discuss!! Another refusal to discuss!!!!! WHY is that????? What you are doing is dancing around, it is noted you haven't discuss or amswered my questions. > Are you refusing to answer or discuss???? > WHY didn't you? >I'll read the long posting IF you promise to discuss it with any of us. Otherwise, it just gets deleted. You'll read *IF*??? Just HOW interested, are YOU??? WHY are you placing deals on YOUR descision to delete it? YOUR role of using this mercury is YOUR choice. Do YOU feel comfortable with using this mercury??? Did you read the DEATHS from mercury vapors??? Do amalgams release mercury vapors?? Do YOU want to be responsible for installing this mercury inches from the brain??? Do YOU want to be responsible for this steady stream of gaseous mercury atoms??? Do You want to be responsible for Elemental mercury when released by a dental amalgam is inhaled and (80 percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body????? Currently the two most important sources of mercury exposure for Americans are dental amalgams and vaccinations. Helloooooooooooooooooooooo. Mainstream medical journals, like Pediatrics and The New England Journal of Medicine, only publish studies that claim thimerosal is safe. And it turns out that these articles are written in large part by researchers in the pay of vaccine makers, YOU have WHAT to say about that??? as the Coalition for Safe Minds (Sensible Action For Ending Mercury-Induced Neurological Disorders), a private nonprofit organization, has shown. Editors of these journals will not publish studies that show a link between thimerosal and autism like Thimerosal in Childhood Vaccines, Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States" by Mark and David Geier, which documents a strong association between the amounts of mercury injected in vaccines and autism. Such articles can only find acceptance in alternative (i.e., "politically incorrect") journals like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, where this one was published. Do discuss this, please! Brain cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 × 10-10 molar) doses of mercury, an amount approximating that found in the brains of people who have a lot of amalgam fillings. Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult's brain. An average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury and releases around 10 micrograms a day. Researchers put radiolabelled mercury amalgams in the teeth of sheep and determined where escaped mercury went with a scanner. They showed that mercury atoms exhaled through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers of Alzheimer's disease. People with Alzheimer's disease have mercury levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people. Discuss away!!! The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this disease. One investigator has found that people who received the flu vaccine each year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing Alzheimer's disease than people who had zero, 1, or 2 shots. Waiting for your response. Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum. Nice combination huh?? Why do officials at the CDC, FDA, and leaders of the medical and dental establishment discount or ignore all these important facts? Uh hmmmmmmmmm. WHY indeed?? Some of them being in the pay of vaccine makers is one reason $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Thespecter of litigation for having sanctioned thimerosal and amalgams and, in the case of the FDA, not doing appropriate safety studies on them is another. AS *I* have been saying. You think, I am wrong? If so why? . But it is more complicated than that. The hypothesis that mercury causes autism and Alzheimer s disease is a new truth. And as Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each new truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. AMEN!!! Along with the messegner who has the guts to post it. Do you agree??? Second, it is violently opposed. We see it HERE!!!!! And third, it is accepted as self-evident. The mercury truth is now in the second stage. <snip more about vaccines for now> Today the medical establishment, led by the AAP, AAFP, AMA, CDC, and IOM, has gone to the other extreme. <snip> Avoiding flu shots that contain thimerosal, and having dentists stop implanting mercury amalgams in people's mouths would lower the incidence of Alzheimer's disease. If you have amalgam fillings, particularly if there is a family history of Alzheimer's disease, you might consider having them removed. Be sure to have a dentist do it who follows the protocol established by The International Academy of Oral Medicine & Toxicology for safely removing them. Discussion open. <snip> If your dentist parrots the American Dental Association stance on this subject and says that "silver" - i.e., mercury - amalgams are perfectly safe, insist that he or she read Dr. Boyd Haley's response to the president of the ADA on his defense of dental amalgams. It is posted on this website. I sent it to my dentist who I had been going to for a number of years. When he chose to ignore it, I changed dentists - to a mercury-free one and had him remove all my amalgam fillings. Jan Steve Mancuso NEVER did dicuss! Unfortunately, these trolls have > chosen to continue their barrage of attacks against science and proven > methods of legitimate dental care. Finally, this group of dentists and [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Amatus Cremona Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsmst01b.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!7ef96382!not-for-mail From: "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...@sottovocce.com> Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Subject: We are up to 86 members, feel free to join Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: <x71If.20384$_S7.14328@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.221.78.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1139842653 ST000 69.221.78.79 (Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:57:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:57:33 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@O@WWS_X[KRNNOTD@FJT@QDDMEPWXODMMHXMTWA]EPUW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:57:33 GMT Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsread.com!newsprint.newsread.com!63.218.45.11.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!7ef96382!not-for-mail From: "Dr Steve" <nos...@home.net> Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry References: <ZKRdd.11633$Rf1.9373@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> <20041021184329.09844.00001486@mb-m19.aol.com> Subject: Re: Tricks Backfired, Dr Steve REFUSES To Discuss!! Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: <j0cfd.13580$Rf1.811@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.74.3.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.com 1098730639 ST000 68.74.3.19 (Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:57:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:57:19 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@FS@[B_D[ZJJH^TD@QRXFBL@MAHU^_BAMEH]TCDYG^WHUQBKZQLYJX\_ITFD_KFVLUN[DOM_A_NSYNWPFWNS[XV\I]PZ@BQ[@CDQDPCL^FKCBIPC@KLGEZEFNMDYMKHRL_YYYGDSSODXYN@[\BK[LVTWI@AXGQCOA_SAH@TPD^\AL\RLGRFWEARBM Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:57:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host:68.74.3.19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.221.78.79 OrgName: SBC Internet Services OrgID: SIS-80 Address: 2701 W 15th St PMB 236 City: Plano StateProv: TX PostalCode: 75075 Country: US I wish you well but I do not believe you will be successful. After all ,when you guys were here you were always complaining about everything ..... that was not WHITE BREAD, lily-pure and clean through and through. As much as I bashed Jan Drew I was still happy she had a forum to continue her babble to try to help people, in her own way. Censorship is unamerican! I cannot go along with that. BIG QUESTION: If you are so happy there why are you advertising and spamming over here? Joely I have not been too involved in the other forum, as I find it a bit cumbersome to follow, but after not checking here for quite a while, I stumbled across your message. I wonder what hole exists in your life that you find nothing better to do than to act as a troll here on the internet. You say you are happy Jan has had a forum to express her views, so why have you acted like an a.s over the years and made her life here so unpleasant? No, I think you find someone who repeats the same message over and over and over, and adds personal attacks and constant accusations of LIAR just as irritating as anyone. The departure of many from this forum has little to do with the messages of people with differing views, but rather with their delivery method. You know that, so your waving of the censorship flag is just another example of your almost endless streak of bull sh.t. Most normal people would just admit this to be true move on, however, you, in some desperate move to feel important, would rather take it as an opportunity to stir the pot and also see it as a chance to put yourself in a more favorable light. Sometimes stirring the pot is a good thing, but when it is a pot of crap, the stirring will only increase the stink and splash sh.t on the stirrer. You have proven yourself a hypocrite by claiming to embrace what Jan does while at the same time having a history of badgering her for years. Perhaps this is the basis for what you call the "advertisement" sent over here. Your behavior over the years has often left me wondering about your mental stability so maybe people genuinely concerned about giving sound advice would just like to offer people a more sane option. Just a thought. Have fun in your own sandbox. T > I wish you well but I do not believe you will be successful. > After all ,when you guys were here you were always complaining [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Joely Tony, I just signed up recently but I am having trouble with starting a new thread there. I though I figured it out and wrote a message to the top thread but haven't a clue where my message went. I find the site confusing and difficult to use with the way it is set up. I am not a dentist and just wanted to post to those I 'know' there but apparently it didn't work. UM MOM Susan >I have not been too involved in the other forum, as I find it a bit > cumbersome to follow, but after not checking here for quite a while, I [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> >> Joely > I have not been too involved in the other forum, as I find it a bit > cumbersome to follow, but after not checking here for quite a while, I > stumbled across your message. > > I wonder what hole exists in your life that you find nothing better to do > than to act as a troll here on the internet. It always strikes me as funny when people who frequently post such as your self accuse others of not having a life. You say you are happy Jan has > had a forum to express her views, so why have you acted like an a.s over the > years and made her life here so unpleasant? this is all speculation on my part, but I think Joel has moderated his view somewhat in that after talking with pateints and dentists on/off the list he realizes that some of the people posting might really be sick from dentally caused problems. He has a right to learn and moderate his views without being labelled a hypocrite. Also I can't help but notice the visciousness of your attacks now, when you didn't seem too concerned when he was bothering Jan before and promoting your line of thinking. > No, I think you find someone who > repeats the same message over and over and over, and adds personal > attacks and constant accusations of LIAR just as irritating as anyone. I think the posts between Joel and Jan have been rather amiciable lately. Joel even stated that amalgam should not used on the POSSABILITY that "people like Jan might be right". What right do have to attack Joel for this, because, GASP he hasn't fallen in lockstep with the other dentists and has the intelligence to learn? The departure > of many from this forum has little to do with the messages of people with > differing views, but rather with their delivery method. So it became obvious that the science of some of this issues was over the dentists head. Rather than admit they couldn't hold their own in a scientific discussion or explain rationaly why for example people shouldn't know that amalgam is the largest daily source of elemental Hg exposure, they ran off and formed their own group where they could censor any discussion and keep all members in line. Kind of like the ADA itself. By the way I didn't see you or Manusco or Fawks really trying to help patients with thier questions here. You just used the group as your own personal chat board. > You know that, so > your waving of the censorship flag is just another example of your almost [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > chance > to put yourself in a more favorable light. The only people stirring the pot are a few dentist troublemakers who claim to have formed their own group and not post here, but then come over here posting nasty bulletins, claiming to speak for "all the dentists" while defending abusive dentists like WB who make crass and degrading remarks towards patient posters. I don't see the patients complaining, just a few dentists with bruised ego's and quite frankly I think that most patients would welcome some spirited discussion and humor from Joel and others rather then endlessly dry dental discussions. I would also guess most patients don't really care about all this stuff and quite frankly the atmosphere has been rather pleasant on SMD lately. I wonder why? Well said, Clinton! >> I have not been too involved in the other forum, as I find it a bit >> cumbersome to follow, but after not checking here for quite a while, I [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > most patients don't really care about all this stuff and quite frankly > the atmosphere has been rather pleasant on SMD lately. I wonder why? > I have not been too involved in the other forum, as I find it a bit > cumbersome to follow, but after not checking here for quite a while, I [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > > > Joely CASE in POINT On the other site, Tony Bad's comments would be considered rude and therefore deleted. Having lurked these forums for quite some time now, I believe that Dr. Eichen is the only dentist from the formerly SMD group of regulars that remains CONSISTENT in his philosophy. "Freedom of Speech" has always been his creed. In this case, it seems that Tony Bad is playing the role of troll. Similarly the "old" regular Amatus continues to exhibit his pathological desire to manipulate and control. My thoughts are, why does he not leave this place alone.. to thrive on its own? It is not enought to persuade all of his colleagues to leave here? Why must he now SPAM this site in an attempt to kill SMD? Answer. I believ he is sick-minded. Whamatus, his alter ego, twin sister or whatever shows this person's true colors. It is a very similar pathology to the controlling/abusive husband/boyfriend that must kill the ex-wife/ex-girlfriend. If I cannot have this place.. noone will. This is not a mature or decent person, IMO! Dr. Eichen states his real name. Amatus and Tony Bad do not. As far as trusting the person behind the posts, that says it all as far as I am concerned. >I wish you well but I do not believe you will be successful. > After all ,when you guys were here you were always complaining [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > BIG QUESTION: If you are so happy there why are you > advertising and spamming over here? FACT: I have never advertised nor spammed. > Joely > I wish you well but I do not believe you will be successful. > After all ,when you guys were here you were always complaining [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Joely Hi Joely, I am glad you decided to stay here. If you post at the other site, I hope you still check in here often! :-) Sue I have found the new URL panel much more effective and responsive than this Newsgroup. I highly recommend it.  SignatureJames > Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental > questions. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Amatus Cremona James wrote: I have found the new URL panel much more effective and responsive than this Newsgroup. I highly recommend it. -- James _____________________ Like James, I find that the new forum generally allows more detailed and more helpful discussions among both dentists and non-dentists. The juvenile name-calling and personal insults (all the LIAR LIAR junk seen so often here) have been replaced on the other forum with useful discussion: www.scimeddentistry.com/smd There is still a place for this old-fashioned newsgroup here, but new users of smd need to be reminded of the non-professional status of the newsgroup abusers. - dentaldoc > James wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > seen so often here) have been replaced on the other forum with useful > discussion: 1. That's pretty hypocritical considering the majority of the insults CAME from the so called "civilized" dentists on the other group. Should I go into the archives and post a few? 2. You are a dentist, so who cares about your "patient" opinion? 3. I haven't tried this other group so I don't know if it is good or bad 4. Dentists had years on this group to be attentive to patient questions. Now after a week, this new group is advertised by YOu as so much better. Well why not wait 6 months and then come back with your opinion? Declaring a marriage an unqualified success during the honeymoon is pretty easy don't you think? Maybe this other forum will be superior for patient questions. In that case having two forums is a win/win for the patient. > www.scimeddentistry.com/smd This is still spam, no matter how you sugar coat it. And spam being posted by a dentist, with an agenda to divert people from an uncensored group to another censored group and attack this group while "promoting this group" in a very hypocritical fashion. AND, Who is using his (thier) PROFESSIONAL status to SPAM google SMD. > There is still a place for this old-fashioned newsgroup here, but new > users of smd need to be reminded of the non-professional status of the > newsgroup abusers. Again an extremely hypocritical statement statement designed to confuse people unfamiliar with SMD history. I wasn't even going to responde to your post until I saw another abusive reference to (professional status)Some "abusers" in your eyes may be people asking legitimate questions. You can't take a few pointed questions from a retired daycare owner? The "professionals" like WB, Tony, AC, STEVE etc have posted thousands of exteremely abusive posts as "professionals" with the unprofessional goal of attacking anyone who asks difficult questions. So why not cut the hypocrisy and the spam short? > James wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - dentaldoc Is that right? You mean you have quit lying? And insulting? No tough questions, you can't answer, huh? Like you couldn't here: Calling Bill Combs. Hello Say Bill, Hello Hello It is noted you can't answer my questions === Do you remember why that was, Bill? Well let me refresh your memory. It was because you LIED! You wrote: >Evidently these other eleven charges did not mention mercury. They >> >must have been about other matters of malpractice or violations of >> >laws that did not relate to mercury. I replied: Uh huh, like I said, the same ole same ole. Was he also charged with using the wrong color of toilet paper?? It is your choice of the word malpractice, is it not? Plus the words, violations of the law?? Bill >One charge is sufficient to remove a license to practice dentistry. >> >Eleven charges, unrelated to mercury, would tend to show an >> >overwhelming pattern of substandard practice. Jan What overwhelming pattern of substandard practice? Jan Substandard and overwhelming are your choice of words, are they not? Jan Which is overwhelming and which is substandard?? Bill >If indeed this author is correct, and eleven patients were treated >> >below standards with no relation to the mercury question, then this >> >dentist should not be allowed to practice on the public -- regardless >> >of any position he happened to take on dental amalgams. > *Below Standards* set by whom????? >In most states, the standards are set by the state legislature. Jan And they get their standards from whom? Bill >>His pattern of malpractice in non-mercury cases Jan >> Say what?!?! Jan > Using no mercury is malpractice?????? Bill>I never said that. Bill >The reference I made was to the eleven NON-mercury cases in which he >was charged with malpractice/substandard practice by the board. Jan Well, no, those are your words. Bill >Since these cases did not involve mercury, I refer to them as the >non-mercury cases. Jan > Oh??? Like what? Bill >Like the three cases you list below. Jan He didn't wash his hands. Jan Not seeing decay. Jan Yelled at a patient. Jan That's malpractice/substandard??? Jan Who made these charges??? Bill Didn't you know that when you posted the reference? Jan Yes, I knew, I am asking you if you knew? I should have posted, complaints. Bill >Generally, charges >are made by a branch of the state government. In most states this is >the government's dental board. Jan Uh huh, *organized dentistry* Bill > The 14 patients who files were used were friends of Dr Jacobson an made it >> clear to the board, in writing, they wanted nothing to do with this so called >> *investion* which started immediately after he placed an ad which used >> the >> words *mercury free*. Jan Concocted charges, such as: Jan He didn't wash his hands. >> Not seeing decay. >> Yelled at a patient. Bill Surely you don't mean to imply that these charges should be taken >lightly. Jan LOL!!! Jan My word this is certainly *fraud* and *incompetent* conduct. Bill (I don't know what an *investion* is.) Jan Righto, ask someone to help you figure it out. Jan With regard to the charge of "Yelled at a patient," this seems >unlikely to result in a loss of license. Bill Yes. Bill Along with , not washed his hands, and not seeing decay. Jan Those don't sound one bit made up/concocted. do they? Bill >But if his patients all >rallied to his defense, then HOW did the state learn that he had >yelled at a patient? Jan It was made up! Jan Did any of his patients say that?? Bill >Perhaps at least one of his patients reported this to the board. I doubt that the state had any other way of learning that he "Yelled at a patient" unless that patient complained to the board. Jan Give me a break. A patient is going to a board because a dentist yelled at them. Jan You need to go back and read what the evidence showed about who made the complaints. Jan Then read how his patients knew this was a chop job and wanted nothing to do with it. Bill >With regard to the charge of "Not seeing decay," this is more serious. >Many patients go to a dentist specifically to find out if they have >any tooth decay. If decay is present and the dentist misses it, >serious complications can potentially occur to the patient. If a >dentist continually misses an obvious diagnosis, state action is warranted. Jan In fact he did see it, he noted it in the file and made several attempts to get the patient to come back and get it fixed, the patient refused. Bill >By far, the most serious charge is that of "He didn't wash his hands." >In this age of deadly communicable diseases, the prevention of >infection must be foremost in the minds of all members of the health >care professions. It has been known since the 1880s that the simple >act of washing one's hands has a dramatic effect in lowering the rate >of disease transmission in the healthcare setting. Jan Who saw him not wash his hand??? Do your patients follow you in the bathroom?? Jan I suggest to you, if everyone who didn't wash their hands, lost their licenses, we would have very few licensed people in any field. Jan Doctors can cut off the wrong leg and still keep their license. <snip> Jan Cutting to the chase, the fact he used the words mercury free is EXACTLY why he was harassed and the investigators worked mighty hard to come up with this trumpeted up charges. It took them over twelve years. Jan The board members made it clear they were upset with his refusal of the use of mercury. Bill >Are there any cases on record that would better illustrate unfair >> >prosecution? Jan WOW!!!!! >The ENTIRE case was nothing, but a farce from those who are EVIL. Bill >Even if we dismiss the amalgam-related charges as "nothing," what >about the other eleven charges? Jan I didn't see eleven, did you? Bill >It is unreasonable to say "The ENTIRE case was nothing" without >examining the charges that did not even involve amalgam. Jan No, it is totally unreasonable that the broad took twelve years to get these charges made up!!! Bill >Was it true >that he didn't diagnose dental caries? Was it true that he didn't even >wash his hands? Jan B I N G O!!!! Jan Was it true sixty of his patients jammed the hearing room?? Jan WHAT does that tell you? Jan Did you read all the steps taken to get these charges made. UNFAIR and DISHONEST tactics.?? Jan *Although the Humphrey's office and the board sought to peddle the notion that its investigation of Gary was not centered on his refusal to use amalgam, the Star Tribune was not fooled. The MN. board of dentistry had accused the dentist of fraud and misconduct for allegedly pushing an expensive that have never been proven to work, removing peoples' fillings call amalgams to free them of mercury poisoning* Jan It all comes back to the gag order. Jan > YOU learn the LIES well from dental school. Bill Is this meant as an ad hominem attack? Jan No, it is the TRUTH. Bill >What "lies" are in my posting?? >I can't find any. Jan WOW!!!! Jan Dentists have LIED for so long, they know longer know what is a LIE.. Your choice of words and DECEIVING are LIES. There was NO fraud!!! There was NO incompetence!!!!! There was NO Malpractice!! There was NO substandards. > PATHETIC!! >> Jan Bill >No need to get insulting. I did not insult you. Jan There is a great need to get real and stop trying to deceive. Bill >My point remains -- are there any other cases that would better >illustrate the author's claim of unfair prosecution? This particular >case involved many charges, and only half of them seemed to involve >amalgam. Instead of defending a doctor who apparently was also charged >with failure to diagnose decay, and failure to practice infection >control for his patients, wouldn't it be more effective for an author >to put forward a case that involved ONLY amalgam-related issues? >- dentaldoc Your point is a LIE. Jan What happened to Dr. Gary Jacobson is below. The FACT is, Bill Combs complains about the word liar. However he fails to mention, the reason for seeing it is he in FACT is a LIAR. If he were truthful, there would be no need to see the word. Anyone can easily see, Bill added the HIS LYING words to the story. http://www.toxicteeth.net/MinnKipsSummary.pdf Thanks MEAT-us. > Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental > questions. > > As you no doubt have already noticed, this site has been hijacked by trolls > trying to fabricate issues about toxicity levels and diseases which do not > exist. > Thanks MEAT-us. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> not >> exist. That isn't Amatus, it is Steve Mancuso. He also could NOT answer my questions. He also LIED and made up stories. He also is lying and calling all who post the truth; trolls. The FACTS are: http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUSCIFCT.html |
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