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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / January 2006Gold _over_ porcelain
Hello. I just brought this up in another tread, but I think its worthy of a new thread. I've read about porcelain over gold fillings. As I understand it, the gold is glued to the tooth and acts like a cushion/pillow for porcelain glued on top, because gold has more 'give' and is less brittle than porcelain. This keeps the porcelain from breaking, and looks more natural than solid gold. There is a risk of porcelain chipping off the gold if it is thin in some areas. I'm thinking of the reverse. Glue the porcelain on the tooth first, since it will bond best to the tooth, and put the gold on top to act as a cushion/pillow to prevent the porcelain from breaking. This doesn't look as natural, but, at least in my understanding, it seems more durable and practical. Thin areas of gold over the porcelain is less likely to chip than if it were vise versa. Has this been done before? robert crowns r cemented on; the way u r speaking of bonding is kind of like a melding thing, that isn't going to happen. it is the lab that bonds the procelain and gold and if u have a good lab, they should last a long time. (i know there r some crowns that the dentist makes in the office and they r a layering type of thing, but i am speaking of the normal lab made crown). in fact, i spoke w/ george menig ("the root canal cover-up") and he had some crowns for over 30 yrs. and there was a lady in our office w/ a gold crown she had 50 yrs. the cement and the fit of the crown r of most importance. we use gold for the stength. gold is softer and it's heavier; u wouldn't want the crowns made in reverse. every 10 yrs, u should have your crowns checked to see if they still fit right and if there is decay under, many ppl replace them at that time. i understand what u r saying, tho. but, there wouldn't b a market for it. ppl want teeth to b white and look like teeth. bottom line, if the crown is good quality, it shouldn't chip. it happens, but it should b rare, unless u eat rocks. Torrie, Consultant Dr Javier Morales, DDS www.bikerchick.freehomepage.com Hello. I just brought this up in another tread, but I think its worthy of a new thread. I've read about porcelain over gold fillings. As I understand it, the gold is glued to the tooth and acts like a cushion/pillow for porcelain glued on top, because gold has more 'give' and is less brittle than porcelain. This keeps the porcelain from breaking, and looks more natural than solid gold. There is a risk of porcelain chipping off the gold if it is thin in some areas. I'm thinking of the reverse. Glue the porcelain on the tooth first, since it will bond best to the tooth, and put the gold on top to act as a cushion/pillow to prevent the porcelain from breaking. This doesn't look as natural, but, at least in my understanding, it seems more durable and practical. Thin areas of gold over the porcelain is less likely to chip than if it were vise versa. Has this been done before? robert > crowns r cemented on; the way u r speaking of bonding is kind of like a melding thing, that isn't going to happen in "Dr Morales"' office. (does the name Bertolotti ring a bell?) if u can meld these materials in your office, more power to u. Harleygyrl A Bikerchyck wrote: > crowns r cemented on; the way u r speaking of bonding is kind of like a melding thing, that isn't going to happen in "Dr Morales"' office. (does the name Bertolotti ring a bell?) pavlov does Harleygyrl A Bikerchyck wrote: > crowns r cemented on; the way u r speaking of bonding is kind of like a melding thing, that isn't going to happen in "Dr Morales"' office. (does the name Bertolotti ring a bell?) u missed the point. the crowns made in the office by layering r not that common. if the person is going to have one of those made, then asking the dentist to put on the porcelain first, well, i don't know if it can b done that way, but i suppose it could. i don't see any demand for it. it would b rare someone asked for it. Harleygyrl A Bikerchyck wrote: > crowns r cemented on; the way u r speaking of bonding is kind of like a melding thing, that isn't going to happen in "Dr Morales"' office. (does the name Bertolotti ring a bell?) and what i was referring to is the gold does not bond to the tooth, it is the cement that gold bonds too (for lack of a better term). the guys making their own layered crowns, i still assume cement is involved, but i don't know for sure, have heard about that technique, but no the particulars Harleygyrl A Bikerchyck wrote: > crowns r cemented on; the way u r speaking of bonding is kind of like a melding thing, that isn't going to happen in "Dr Morales"' office. (does the name Bertolotti ring a bell?) and what i was referring to is the gold does not bond to the tooth, it is the cement that gold bonds too (for lack of a better term). the guys making their own layered crowns, i still assume cement is involved, but i don't know for sure, have heard about that technique, but no the particulars crowns r cemented on; the way u r speaking of bonding is kind of like a melding thing, that isn't going to happen. it is the lab that bonds the procelain and gold and if u have a good lab, they should last a long time. (i know there r some crowns that the dentist makes in the office and they r a layering type of thing, but i am speaking of the normal lab made crown). in fact, i spoke w/ george menig ("the root canal cover-up") and he had some crowns for over 30 yrs. and there was a lady in our office w/ a gold crown she had 50 yrs. the cement and the fit of the crown r of most importance. we use gold for the stength. gold is softer and it's heavier; u wouldn't want the crowns made in reverse. every 10 yrs, u should have your crowns checked to see if they still fit right and if there is decay under, many ppl replace them at that time. i understand what u r saying, tho. but, there wouldn't b a market for it. ppl want teeth to b white and look like teeth. bottom line, if the crown is good quality, it shouldn't chip. it happens, but it should b rare, unless u eat rocks. Torrie, Consultant Dr Javier Morales, DDS www.bikerchick.freehomepage.com "ashes" <cendres@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:1138526628.395632.293300@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... Hello. I just brought this up in another tread, but I think its worthy of a new thread. I've read about porcelain over gold fillings. As I understand it, the gold is glued to the tooth and acts like a cushion/pillow for porcelain glued on top, because gold has more 'give' and is less brittle than porcelain. This keeps the porcelain from breaking, and looks more natural than solid gold. There is a risk of porcelain chipping off the gold if it is thin in some areas. I'm thinking of the reverse. Glue the porcelain on the tooth first, since it will bond best to the tooth, and put the gold on top to act as a cushion/pillow to prevent the porcelain from breaking. This doesn't look as natural, but, at least in my understanding, it seems more durable and practical. Thin areas of gold over the porcelain is less likely to chip than if it were vise versa. Has this been done before? robert
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