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Choices in fillings/restorations

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ashes - 26 Jan 2006 02:06 GMT
Hello. I'm planning to get some dental work this year. The plan is to
to replace all the amalgam with better quality fillings, either
porcelain or gold, and add braces after. Yesterday I had two amalgams
replaced with porcelain onlays/partial-crowns. My dentist said these
two needed to be porcelain to give the braces something strong to hold
on to, and that porcelain bonds with teeth better than anything else
because its porous and the cement can sink into it. He has also
explained that because of this bond, porcelain strengthens the tooth
more than other fillings. He said he is using a new porcelain which is
closer to the density of natural teeth than previously used porcelain,
so they shouldn't wear down opposing teeth.

During his consultation he had a strong preference towards porcelain,
over gold. I preferred gold because I have read many opinions on the
web that gold outlasts anything else, and because it is non-toxic and a
natural material. I have also read that gold seldom breaks and is ideal
for back teeth.

I am not worried about aesthetics. I want whatever is best for my
teeth. I am wondering what I should do with the remaining fillings. The
back bottom teeth are large fillings, I suppose they will be
onlays/partial-crowns. One is the bottom left canine, the filling is
along the gumline. The rest are fairly small, inlays I think, on
forward teeth.

My dentist said that composite is best for very small fillings because
it allows me to keep more of my tooth. Other than that he doesn't
oppose gold fillings for the rest, although he still recommends
porcelain.

I'm concerned that gold fillings may lead to cracked teeth. And I'm
concerned that porcelain onlays on the back teeth may break.

P.S.
I have a minor tooth grinding habit.

Any advice?

Robert
ashes - 26 Jan 2006 04:24 GMT
After reading more postings in this group, I want to add that my
dentist used machine-milled porcelain. How fragile is this porcelain
compared to gold? Its surface characteristics seem to be very similar
to gold and ivory.
letsconnect - 26 Jan 2006 11:23 GMT
> Hello. I'm planning to get some dental work this year. The plan is to
> to replace all the amalgam with better quality fillings

Do they need replacing?
ashes - 26 Jan 2006 21:43 GMT
Some yes, most no. I haven't ever visited the dentist regularly. I'd
like to, but history can repeat itself. I prefer to replace my
fillings, with what is the most durable, now while I can afford it,
instead of waiting until they need replacing and my financial situation
is unknown. Replacing them all now should keep future dental visits
less expensive.
letsconnect - 26 Jan 2006 22:52 GMT
> Some yes, most no. I haven't ever visited the dentist regularly. I'd
> like to, but history can repeat itself. I prefer to replace my
> fillings, with what is the most durable, now while I can afford it,
> instead of waiting until they need replacing and my financial situation
> is unknown. Replacing them all now should keep future dental visits
> less expensive.

Some dentists would argue that it's not a good idea to replace
restorations as a "preventative measure", so to speak, because each
time you do so you some trauma is inflicted, occasionally resulting in
the need for more dental work rather than less. Amalgam fillings can
last for a very long time.

For those fillings that do need replacing, if esthetics are not an
issue, I'd say gold would be a better choice, although cerec isn't bad
at all in terms of wear properties (as far as I can tell from what's
accessible on PubMed).

Please note that I'm not a dentist.
ashes - 27 Jan 2006 02:53 GMT
What I like about the cerec porcelain is that it strengthens the tooth.
What conditions cause a gold filling to come loose or leak, usually?
What is it about gold fillings that makes them last longer than amalgam?
letsconnect - 27 Jan 2006 12:41 GMT
> What I like about the cerec porcelain is that it strengthens the tooth.

The only problem I can see with this line of reasoning, as a layperson,
is that replacing a functioning restoration weakens the tooth
(unnecessarily)...
bykerchyck@yahoo.com - 29 Jan 2006 00:50 GMT
yes, composites r better for small fillings, because gold and
porcelain, while they r considered permanent restorations, cause a lot
of tooth structure to b lost.  if u already have big fillings, then it
mite b an option for u, tho.  it is quite expensive for the
onlays/inlays.  we charge $220 ea.

Torrie
www.bikerchick.freehomepage.com
ashes - 29 Jan 2006 09:06 GMT
Before reading about amalgam mercury health concerns, at my first visit
with him, I said I wanted to replace the amalgam fillings. I think
they're ugly, and they seem to have shrunk or compressed. They're all
over five years old and their lifespan is running out. Another reason I
want to replace them all is for the tax deduction... the government (in
Canada) refunds income tax for medical expenses after spending 3% of my
income. So it pays to have a lot of work done in the same year.

I'm suspecting my dentist recommends porcelain to help pay for his
cerec machine, even though I would agree with him that the porcelain
fillings are a good choice, and I still trust him. For the same
filling, he charges $85 for amalgam, $115 for composite, $700 for
machine-milled porcelain, and $900 for gold (Canadian dollars). I think
the porcelain is the only one with a warranty offered, for 10 years.
I've recently read that gold foil lasts longer than cast gold (80 years
compared to 30), I think its because there is a plywood effect. I plan
to ask him about the gold foil next time I see him. It's too bad there
is no porcelain-gold hybrid, a porous gold :) How about gold over
porcelain??? I've read about porcelain over gold, but how about the
other way around? The gold should withstand/cushion the impacts, while
the porcelain bonds with the tooth.

robert
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 29 Jan 2006 12:40 GMT
>Before reading about amalgam mercury health concerns, at my first visit
>with him, I said I wanted to replace the amalgam fillings. I think
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>other way around? The gold should withstand/cushion the impacts, while
>the porcelain bonds with the tooth.

Good thinking guy, but you are off in several areas. Gold foil won't
happen unless he is a guy of my vintage well-versed in gold foil work.

Try BONDED composite for good esthetics, no seepage under the
restorations, and oh yeah, make sure he is well-versed in composite
restorations!

Joely

>robert
 
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