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Amatus Cremona - 23 Jan 2006 14:03 GMT
Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental
questions.

As you no doubt have already noticed, this site has been hijacked by trolls
trying to fabricate issues about toxicity levels and diseases which do not
exist.  For years, the dentists who have participated on this news group
have tried to debate these trolls scientifically, tried to argue with them
or just tried to ignore these posters.  Unfortunately, these trolls have
chosen to continue their barrage of attacks against science and proven
methods of legitimate dental care.  Finally, this group of dentists and
ancillary personnel, have chosen to simply go away.  The down side of this
is that a lot of good people are left with their legitimate questions and
concerns un-answered.

As a group, we [the regular posters from this news group] have been
discussing how to fill the void left by the absence of virtually all dental
professionals from this news group.  After thorough discussion, we have
chosen to open a separate internet forum for people to ask questions, debate
dental science, review techniques, learn about regulatory issues, etc.

We have created this forum at:      www.scimeddentistry.com/smd

We welcome anyone to come to this site and discuss dental topics and
concerns.  To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
rude, abusive, vulgar, or posts unwanted advertisements for other sites.
Spam will not be tolerated, nor will any Troll-type behavior.

Participating in the site requires a valid email address.  There is a log-in
process where you register and receive a confirmation email back prior to
gaining access to the site.  This is only to enable us to eliminate those
posters who are abusive to the group.  No information about any poster is
collected, no information is being sold or distributed to others.  A cookie
is utilized only to enable the registration process and subsequent log-ins.

Since the site is just now getting started, be patient if it takes a few
hours (or more) to get replies to your questions.  Please understand that
the regulars who volunteer to be available at this site do so as volunteers
only.  We receive no compensation beyond the opportunity to discuss our
favorite topics with interested people.  No one is getting paid to be there,
and we all have lives outside of the internet.  Although at times, that may
seem hard to believe.

Please register on the site, obtain your email confirmation, and initiate or
join in on some discussion.

Sincerely,

Amatus Cremona
letsconnect - 23 Jan 2006 19:34 GMT
> To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
> there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
> rude, abusive, vulgar

How's your sister coping with those rules? Just curious.
Sue - 23 Jan 2006 21:51 GMT
> > To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
> > there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
> > rude, abusive, vulgar
>
> How's your sister coping with those rules? Just curious.

Letsconnect,

Are you talking about the dentist named whamatus that called patients
"dim," "dumb," told others to go F*&^ themselves, made lewd comments
about BJs, talked about women's breast sizes, told women what they
needed.. like a good manly F*&%, prefaced a well-crafted flame directed
at well-menaing posters with... you all (meaning longtime SMDers) may
find this entertaining ....etc etc.?

-Sue
JimSocal - 24 Jan 2006 21:30 GMT
>> > To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
>> > there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>-Sue
Are you saying the guy who started this new forum with intention of
avoiding flame wars and etc. is the same guy who posted that I was
dumb, dim, etc.?
Sue - 25 Jan 2006 00:50 GMT
> >> > To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
> >> > there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> avoiding flame wars and etc. is the same guy who posted that I was
> dumb, dim, etc.?

Good to see you Jim.  How are your implants going?

Amatus and Whamatus say they are different people, but they called
themselves twin sisters on the boards.  So who the heck knows?  They
accused me and Joel of being the same person... so maybe that
accusation was born out of their own  game-playing routine. Webby
always said she "played" people and so forth, so who knows what kind of
games they play?

Amatus started the new forum (I think).

Whamatus was the vulgar dentist that threw flames at lots of people.
He was the one that called you "Jim so Dim," and made other such
remarks.  

Sue
JimSocal - 26 Jan 2006 09:29 GMT
>> >> > To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
>> >> > there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
>Sue
Yes, now I recall that I thought they might have  been the same
person. So it is interesting that Amatus started this forum on the web
which he says is to AVOID just that type of name-calling etc...

Care to comment, Amatus?
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 28 Jan 2006 13:44 GMT
>> > To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
>> > there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>-Sue

How come I missed all the interesting posts?

Joely
JanD - 28 Jan 2006 19:58 GMT
>>> > To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
>>> > there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Joely

Yeah!  Joely just has no idea of W_B's nasty mouth. NOT!
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 28 Jan 2006 13:43 GMT
>> To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
>> there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
>> rude, abusive, vulgar
>
>How's your sister coping with those rules? Just curious.

This is the funniest post all year!

Another way of stating it is .....

>> there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
>> rude, abusive, vulgar unless THEY ARE ONE OF OUR LITTLE GANG, then its okay.
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 28 Jan 2006 16:56 GMT
The new forum is very well thought out and presented with loads of useful
information, but Joel, the laughter and spontaneity is here unless all the
LIARS  etc. from mha start cluttering.
Gail

> >> To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
> >> there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> >> there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is
> >> rude, abusive, vulgar unless THEY ARE ONE OF OUR LITTLE GANG, then its okay.
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 28 Jan 2006 18:06 GMT
Also, have not seen Dr. Steve Bornfeld anywhere unless he has an alias.
Hope all is well.  And Vaughn? etc. etc. etc.
Gail

> The new forum is very well thought out and presented with loads of useful
> information, but Joel, the laughter and spontaneity is here unless all the
> LIARS  etc. from mha start cluttering.
> Gail
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 28 Jan 2006 18:23 GMT
>Also, have not seen Dr. Steve Bornfeld anywhere unless he has an alias.
>Hope all is well.  And Vaughn? etc. etc. etc.
>Gail

I hate conspiracies ........ but do you think that the KGB caught up
with all of those guys at once?

>> The new forum is very well thought out and presented with loads of useful
>> information, but Joel, the laughter and spontaneity is here unless all the
>> LIARS  etc. from mha start cluttering.
>> Gail
letsconnect - 28 Jan 2006 19:12 GMT
> >Also, have not seen Dr. Steve Bornfeld anywhere unless he has an alias.
> >Hope all is well.  And Vaughn? etc. etc. etc.
> >Gail
>
> I hate conspiracies ........ but do you think that the KGB caught up
> with all of those guys at once?

LOL :-)

Nah, Steve Bornfeld has been around on other forums, so he's alive and
well, thank God!
JanD - 28 Jan 2006 19:52 GMT
> The new forum is very well thought out and presented with loads of useful
> information, but Joel, the laughter and spontaneity is here unless all the
> LIARS  etc. from mha start cluttering.
> Gail

Now that is funny!

The biggest liar HERE was Joel, with his 20,000 posts.

So WHY are YOU lying, Gail?

>> >> To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
>> >> there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>> >> rude, abusive, vulgar unless THEY ARE ONE OF OUR LITTLE GANG, then its
> okay.
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 28 Jan 2006 20:50 GMT
>> The new forum is very well thought out and presented with loads of useful
>> information, but Joel, the laughter and spontaneity is here unless all the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>So WHY are YOU lying, Gail?

****************

You are undercounting Jan.

I stopped counting at 28,000.

Joely

*************

>>> >> To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site,
>>> >> there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>> >> rude, abusive, vulgar unless THEY ARE ONE OF OUR LITTLE GANG, then its
>> okay.
JanD - 28 Jan 2006 23:32 GMT
>>> The new forum is very well thought out and presented with loads of
>>> useful
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Joely

I see you are STILL lying.

Google search Joel Eichen Jan Drew  4,100

Joel Eichen Jan 10,2000

Joel Eichen Janster 438

Joel Eichen Janny 17

Joel Eichen JanBrewski 478

Joel Eichen Drewster 37

Joel Eichen Jannypoo 86

jdrew63...@yahoo.com (impersonation) 410

> *************
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>>> >> its
>>> okay.
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 28 Jan 2006 22:05 GMT
Now, finally an  identity.     I am a LIAR.    guess better than nothing.
20,000 posts,   who could count without losing count.
Jan, nothing mean meant, but I could never figure out how your posts can
evoke SO MANY responses.
Gail

> > The new forum is very well thought out and presented with loads of useful
> > information, but Joel, the laughter and spontaneity is here unless all the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> So WHY are YOU lying, Gail?
Sue - 28 Jan 2006 22:25 GMT
> Now, finally an  identity.     I am a LIAR.    guess better than nothing.
> 20,000 posts,   who could count without losing count.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> >
> > So WHY are YOU lying, Gail?

Comment.  It may be a visceral response.  The sympathetic nervous sytem
just kicks onto overdrive.  Jan's posts might be good for those can use
a jolt of norepinephrine.

-Sue
PS No malice intended here.
JanD - 28 Jan 2006 23:54 GMT
>> Now, finally an  identity.     I am a LIAR.    guess better than nothing.
>> 20,000 posts,   who could count without losing count.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> -Sue
> PS No malice intended here.

Right.

Like it wasn't here.

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How many of you are going to go trick or treating dressed as lolly? and

how will you implement this gruesome costume?

Reply.  First I make a digital recording of the following:
Liar
Robert is a stalker
That is a fact

And then I would add werewolf howls, Ghoul sounds and a mad shriek.

I would then use a mixer to cretae a cyber

"LIAR" (LOUD obnoxious tone)
"Robert is a STalker" (really whiny)
"This is fact" (quick and squeaky)"

Said randomly in  various combinations, mixed with the other sounds.

Then I would take large box and make it look like a computer screen (to
wear) I would place on the screen some psychodelic light strobe showing
through.

On the back of the box I woudl have a HUGE skull and cross-bones and Hg
printed everywhere.

I would wear some funky tennis shoes with purple shoelaces and back
tights.  I would walk around doing an uncoordinated break dance to the
cyber-mix and strobe lights.

On one sleeve I would have printed "LolliRocks like GoldiLocks"

ON my tush I would have printed:

"I love JOelY".. with big hearts all over the place.

Oh and I would carry a huge lollipop and just be a real pain in the
A#@$ all night.

-Sue
Peter Bowditch - 29 Jan 2006 13:22 GMT
>>> Now, finally an  identity.     I am a LIAR.    guess better than nothing.
>>> 20,000 posts,   who could count without losing count.
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
>
>-Sue

I really must congratulate Sue. I missed this when it was originally posted, so I really
must thank Jan for repeating it. Fabulous!!
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JanD - 29 Jan 2006 21:26 GMT
"Peter Bowditch appears:

cyberstalking again, I see.

Yes, well aware you love belittling. as that is EXACTLY all that is on your
sicko websites along with all the LIES.

<snip>

>>>> Now, finally an  identity.     I am a LIAR.    guess better than
>>>> nothing.
[quoted text clipped - 79 lines]
>>
>>-Sue
JanD - 28 Jan 2006 23:44 GMT
> Now, finally an  identity.     I am a LIAR.    guess better than nothing.
> 20,000 posts,   who could count without losing count.

*I* could. They were ALL lies about *ME*.

> Jan, nothing mean meant, but I could never figure out how your posts can
> evoke SO MANY responses.
> Gail

Don't even try to tell you meant nothing mean, Gail.

You have joined in the fray before. I asked you what you lied?

I ask you why the remark? Now, finally an  identity.     I am a LIAR

I did NOT call you a liar. See above.

FACT is the 20,000 post were NOT responses.

>> > The new forum is very well thought out and presented with loads of
> useful
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>>
>> So WHY are YOU lying, Gail?
Clinton - 24 Jan 2006 04:39 GMT
> Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental
> questions.
>
> As you no doubt have already noticed, this site has been hijacked by trolls
> trying to fabricate issues about toxicity levels and diseases which do not
> exist.

Oh, brother. The AEE link on NICO has been posted half a dozen times
at this point. And how do you know the history of this group, let alone
seemed so determined to mischaractize it.  No one could be that
clueless except, wait........

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What do you think, is this my imagination?

For years, the dentists who have participated on this news group
> have tried to debate these trolls scientifically, tried to argue with them
> or just tried to ignore these posters.

right like when Dr Manusco stated that Hg vapor wasn't a problem
because
most people where nose breathers and practically was laughed of SMD (if
the situation wasn't so serious) or the time it had to be explained to
the dentists
why amalgam doesn't shrink as it gives off Hg. LOL
Joel - 28 Jan 2006 01:11 GMT
Unfortunately, some vindicative individual right here has harmed
an innocent soul whose intentions were quite honorable.

I am amazed at how low our species can stoop sometimes .....

I guess its time to fold our cards and turn off the light ......

Joel M. Eichen

Joely

**

> Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental
> questions.
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>
> Amatus Cremona
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 28 Jan 2006 13:37 GMT
I disagree. There are some dentists who do not like other ideas
and other opinions and they have bashed good people too much.
Now we have a beautiful site where patients can ask questions
and get answers.

S'Long ... do not let the door hit you on the way out .......

PS~ We do not mind you spamming this newsgroup with your ad
for your NEW newsgroup.

Joely

>Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental
>questions.
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>
>Amatus Cremona
letsconnect - 28 Jan 2006 15:13 GMT
Gotta say, I miss George and Fawks. I always enjoyed reading their
posts. So it's been a mixed blessing.

> I disagree. There are some dentists who do not like other ideas
> and other opinions and they have bashed good people too much.
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> >
> >Amatus Cremona
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 28 Jan 2006 13:42 GMT
You know what would be a hoot ......... a nice newsfeed from the NEW
sci.med.dentistry to the old sci.med.dentistry so the oldsters can
see what we are NOT missing .......

Joely

>Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental
>questions.
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>
>Amatus Cremona

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