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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / January 2006To JD
Why JD are you telling Sue to get lost? Oh I understand because her opinion is different than yours. And as for a second or even third opinion, that might cost money that your insurance won't cover, I understand JD. I know a couple of cases of beer can be bought with that money. I agree with you--- just blame the dentist. After all anything done by a dentist that has you or your wife for a patient that doesn't succeed perfectly must be the dentists' fault. It's so obvious. To be honest JD I think your wife's dentist would be very lucky to have you and she leave his practice. Your what we call in the profession a "..down the streeter" We pray you will leave our practice and go to the one down the street. You see down deep we don't want your attitude in our practice as much or more than you don't wish to see us. I'd much rather spend my time on a patient who is appreciative or even just read the newspaper than treat your type of personality. drharry Dr. Harry, I'm not sure how to react to your posts. You've arrived in a newsgroup -- which you admit is a new situation to you -- and you immediately begin attacking patients who have posted. One reason several of us have been relieved for a week or so is that the clique of dental professionals (and two patients) who were posting in this group for some years finally created a private group that they can control and left this one for the rest of us who want to read real questions and answers from a variety of people -- professionals and patients alike. I find it disillusioning that a new dentist has arrived who seems more interested in picking fights than in using his education and experience to be helpful. My first reaction to your unfriendly posts was to ask your name and state, so that I don't accidentally end up in your office. I don't want to be exposed to any professional who treats me the way you've treated posters here. I most certainly won't pay for that kind of treatment! Being pleasant goes two ways. You may not want patients who question you in any way. Personally, I prefer health professionals who treat me with respect and recognize that I have not only the right but the responsibility to make choices about my body. After all, the patient -- not the doctor -- is the one who lives with the consequences! If your initial posts have somehow presented you in a light that you didn't intend, I would encourage you change your presentation to the kind of character that you do wish to convey. Otherwise, expect serious readers to ignore your posts and people just here for a fight to flame you. Pell > To Tony (with a Y) > > Obviously long standing scientific investigation of the safety vs risk of > radiographs can be thrown out the window due to your anecdotal reference of > your childs pediatrician. She obviously knows better than all of the > research done over the last quarter century. > > As for my signing your radiograph warning I'd happily sign all except for > the last part about enhancing my legal position. The type of patient who > would require that part is the same one who will turn around and happily use > my lack of a preoperative radiograph to sue me. > > Are you aware Tony with a Y , that many insurance companies (Aetna > Prudential etc) REQUIRE a pre operative radiograpgh before you, the patient > ,are entitled to any benefits? Why aren't you complaining to your benefit > manager about that procedure? Are you willing to pay for a procedure fully > without insurance benefits because you won't let the dentist take a > radiograph beforehand. Basically I'm asking you (no pun intended) to put > your money where your mouth is. > > Obviously your salivary calcification disappearing by prescription proves > that radiographs and surgery is useless in all cases. > > And your desire to sue immediately your potential employer shows that you > will always seem to go for the legal remedy to correct situations you find > not acceptible to your opinions. To be honest I feel better for that > potential lost employer because I have a feeling your desire for legal > remedy would have eventually found him in a courtroom defending himself > against one of your frivolous lawsuits. > > By the way being informed is good for all patients. However one who is > constantly questioning everything because their Aunt Fanny (or their childs > pediatrician) told them the opposite is nothing but a pain in the a.s who > belongs in the dentist across town's record base. I will happily refer you > there so I can take care of patients who appreciate my hard work > > drHarry > Why JD are you telling Sue to get lost? Oh I understand because her opinion > is different than yours. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > drharry How true... For some reason, the Quantity Theory of Insanity springs to mind :-) > Dr. Harry, > [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > > > > drharry > Dr. Harry, > [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > > > > drharry Hi Pellmell, Thanks for the interjection. I think in general, people are more outspoken (and abrupt) on an internet forum than they might be in face to face interaction. This is epsecially more evident when most of us remain anonymous, IMHO. Still there is no excuse to start flaming one another.. on either side. So let's all settle down and do our best to start over. Sincerely, Sue Hm. Hope this doesn't post twice. Dear Dr. Harry, I'm not sure how to react to your posts. You've arrived in a newsgroup -- which you admit is a new situation to you -- and you immediately begin attacking patients who have posted. One reason several of us have been relieved for a week or so is that the clique of dental professionals (and two patients) who were posting in this group for some years finally created a private group that they can control and left this one for the rest of us who want to read real questions and answers from a variety of people -- professionals and patients alike. I find it disillusioning that a new dentist has arrived who seems more interested in picking fights than in using his education and experience to be helpful. My first reaction to your unfriendly posts was to ask your name and state, so that I don't accidentally end up in your office. I don't want to be exposed to any professional who treats me the way you've treated posters here. I most certainly won't pay for that kind of treatment! Being pleasant goes two ways. You may not want patients who question you in any way. Personally, I prefer health professionals who treat me with respect and recognize that I have not only the right but the responsibility to make choices about my body. After all, the patient -- not the doctor -- is the one who lives with the consequences! If your initial posts have somehow presented you in a light that you didn't intend, I would encourage you change your presentation to the kind of character that you do wish to convey. Otherwise, expect serious readers to ignore your posts and people just here for a fight to flame you. Pell > To Tony (with a Y) > > Obviously long standing scientific investigation of the safety vs risk of > radiographs can be thrown out the window due to your anecdotal reference of > your childs pediatrician. She obviously knows better than all of the > research done over the last quarter century. > > As for my signing your radiograph warning I'd happily sign all except for > the last part about enhancing my legal position. The type of patient who > would require that part is the same one who will turn around and happily use > my lack of a preoperative radiograph to sue me. > > Are you aware Tony with a Y , that many insurance companies (Aetna > Prudential etc) REQUIRE a pre operative radiograpgh before you, the patient > ,are entitled to any benefits? Why aren't you complaining to your benefit > manager about that procedure? Are you willing to pay for a procedure fully > without insurance benefits because you won't let the dentist take a > radiograph beforehand. Basically I'm asking you (no pun intended) to put > your money where your mouth is. > > Obviously your salivary calcification disappearing by prescription proves > that radiographs and surgery is useless in all cases. > > And your desire to sue immediately your potential employer shows that you > will always seem to go for the legal remedy to correct situations you find > not acceptible to your opinions. To be honest I feel better for that > potential lost employer because I have a feeling your desire for legal > remedy would have eventually found him in a courtroom defending himself > against one of your frivolous lawsuits. > > By the way being informed is good for all patients. However one who is > constantly questioning everything because their Aunt Fanny (or their childs > pediatrician) told them the opposite is nothing but a pain in the a.s who > belongs in the dentist across town's record base. I will happily refer you > there so I can take care of patients who appreciate my hard work > > drHarry > Why JD are you telling Sue to get lost? Oh I understand because her opinion > is different than yours. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > drharry Dear Pellmell, You wrote: "I find it disillusioning that a new dentist has arrived who seems more interested in picking fights than in using his education and experience to be helpful" With all due respect to you as a fellow patient, I can understand why a dentist would get defensive when a patient, unhappy with one dentist's work, seems to conclude that the dental profession as whole "pushes" crowns to make more money. In Dr Harry's defense (not that he is on trial by any means). But I think you should read Dr Harry's contributions in full. Dr. Harry is not just picking fights. He has provided some very educational and non-judgemental material about how long crowns last. He has the expertise to share this and is sharing it. I am thankful that he has taken the time to share his knowledge. BTW, most patients come here, take advice and leave. If they are unhappy with their care, they do not hesitate to throw daggers at the profession, make judgements about treatments etc... yell and scream and then leave. Kind of like a hit, "take" and run. Professionals that care, stick around, but in all hoensty, they do not deserve to be disrespected as a profession here either (IMHO). Lets try to make this work. -Sue (just trying to see both sides) |
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