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wife's crowns keep falling out...is this bad workmanship?
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JD - 17 Jan 2006 19:59 GMT My wife has had 3 crowns fall out in the past 2 months (all were originally put in by the dentist she keeps going to). She keeps going back to the same dentist, for 25 years she's been going to him. 2 of the crowns that fell out were recently put in. Sounds like bad workmanship to me. But he keeps charging her insurance to repair them (and the insurance got maxed out so we had to pay $300 or so). Is this fair? I used to go to him, until it took 3 trips to get a cavity smoothed down to where it wasn't hurting my tongue. I just feel that if it's bad workmanship, she shouldn't be charged to fix his crappy work. thanks.
Amatus Cremona - 17 Jan 2006 20:29 GMT Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental questions.
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> My wife has had 3 crowns fall out in the past 2 months (all were > originally [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- ares - 20 Jan 2006 17:59 GMT That's why I don't come here much; thanks for the link to the new place! I'll check it out. ares
> Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental > questions. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Amatus Cremona ares - 20 Jan 2006 21:55 GMT PS; I registered but it's not letting me in; might there be a waiting period? ares
> Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental > questions. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > We have created this forum at: www.scimeddentistry.com/smd Amatus Cremona - 21 Jan 2006 04:02 GMT You need to wait for the link to be sent to your email address. Then, you log in and wait for the system to open its door.
AC
> PS; I registered but it's not letting me in; might there be a waiting > period? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> We have created this forum at: www.scimeddentistry.com/smd ares - 21 Jan 2006 20:10 GMT OK, thanks; I hadn't gotten email yesterday but I'll check today. ares
> You need to wait for the link to be sent to your email address. Then, you > log in and wait for the system to open its door. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > PS; I registered but it's not letting me in; might there be a waiting > > period? Harry - 17 Jan 2006 21:38 GMT Of course JD it must be bad workmanship. The possibility that your wife has a severe malocclusion or the teeth have so little left to them and the doctor is trying to save them as long as possible. Perhaps she is a difficult patient to work on due to gag reflex or excessive serous or mucous salivary flow. But alas as usual it must be the doctor's fault because as we all know patients are perfect
Dr Harry
> My wife has had 3 crowns fall out in the past 2 months (all were > originally [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- Sue - 17 Jan 2006 22:37 GMT > My wife has had 3 crowns fall out in the past 2 months (all were originally > put in by the dentist she keeps going to). She keeps going back to the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- JD,
You may want to check this link.
http://www.dental--health.com/loosepoorfit_dentalcrowns.html
Good luck,
-Sue (patient)
Joel - 18 Jan 2006 10:41 GMT I agree. I never charge patients when I have to fix my crappy work ..... JOKE HERE!!!!! Actually there are some factors that can result in the crown a-fallin'. Short tooth, etc. However, there are solutions. Perhaps a second opinion is in order!
Joely
JD - 18 Jan 2006 15:09 GMT "Joel" <joeleichen@gmail.com> wrote in news:1137580885.533118.297290 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> I agree. I never charge patients when I have to fix my crappy work > ..... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Joely The dentist ought to know if a tooth is too small to be able to hold onto a crown. This is common sense that a dentist ought to pick up over the years. They should instantly know when looking at a tooth if it's big enough, and if it's borderline, they should advise the patient so the patient can just get the tooth pulled and save themselves tons of money and nuisance, if they want to. My wife has 2 crowns out right now, with the little prongs sticking up, and can't really eat solid foods, and the dentist is out of town. I think crowns are a big money maker for them so they push them.
Sue - 18 Jan 2006 15:47 GMT > "Joel" <joeleichen@gmail.com> wrote in news:1137580885.533118.297290 > @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- JD,
If you do not trust your dentist of 25 years, maybe your wife should go down to the free clinic and have her teeth pulled.
She may have to wait in line, but this is always an option. As a public assistant, I've taken a few people there when that have very little money.
However then your wife may need or want to can get dentures or even more expensive implants, which will cost you much more money than crowns.
But perhaps since money is an issue for you, maybe she can go toothless and save you some money.
Have you ever thought that maybe the dentist is trying his best to save your wife's teeth? Don't you realize that the alternative is ultimately more expensive?
And as a patient, how can you reasonably say what a dentist should automatically know and recognize. I am sorry, but you do not have the expertise or experience to understand the dentist's job.
I relaize you are frustrated and unhappy, but as Joel said, if you do not trust your dentist you can get a second opinion.
In the same token, please realize that once the tooth is gone... it is gone. Then your wife has a whole new set of problems.
Best wishes,
Sue (patient)
JD - 18 Jan 2006 20:05 GMT > And as a patient, how can you reasonably say what a dentist should > automatically know and recognize. I am sorry, but you do not have the > expertise or experience to understand the dentist's job. And you do? Are you a DDS? If not, you have no expertise to respond to my question either, so get lost. And whether or not a patient has enough of a tooth left to be able to hold a crown should be common sense to the doctor. I think her DDS has poor workmanship and judgment. If there is too little tooth left, then a crown will most likely fail and the patient should be aware of this. She wasn't told of this. And as for your snooty comments about me being cheap and that I should take her to get her teeth yanked, that's mean spirited (blaming my "cheapness" for her dentists' crappy work). She has dental insurance. She needs to switch dentists, but she's too stubborn.
Sue - 18 Jan 2006 21:52 GMT > "Joel" <joeleichen@gmail.com> wrote in news:1137580885.533118.297290 > @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- JD, I am sorry. I misinterpeted your comments above. You seemed to be judging your wife's dentist as being: #1- dishonest (only pushing crowns to make $) #2- incompetent (not instantly knowing if a tooth will hold a crown)
You also indicated that you would consider pulling the teeth to save money, rather than consider other alternatives. And in your first post, you seemed very concerned about the $300 not covered by insurance.
JD, I have seen so many young people have their teeth pulled because they literally cannot afford other options. And my heart goes out to these people. So when you casually mentioned this seemingly, as an option for your wife, I was angered.
I guess I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I hope your wife gets the care that she and you desire for her.
Sincerely,
Sue
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