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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / January 2006Patient question forum
Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental questions. As you no doubt have already noticed, this site has been hijacked by trolls trying to fabricate issues about toxicity levels and diseases which do not exist. For years, the dentists who have participated on this news group have tried to debate these trolls scientifically, tried to argue with them or just tried to ignore these posters. Unfortunately, these trolls have chosen to continue their barrage of attacks against science and proven methods of legitimate dental care. Finally, this group of dentists and ancillary personnel, have chosen to simply go away. The down side of this is that a lot of good people are left with their legitimate questions and concerns un-answered. As a group, we [the regular posters from this news group] have been discussing how to fill the void left by the absence of virtually all dental professionals from this news group. After thorough discussion, we have chosen to open a separate internet forum for people to ask questions, debate dental science, review techniques, learn about regulatory issues, etc. We have created this forum at: www.scimeddentistry.com/smd We welcome anyone to come to this site and discuss dental topics and concerns. To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site, there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is rude, abusive, vulgar, or posts unwanted advertisements for other sites. Spam will not be tolerated, nor will any Troll-type behavior. Participating in the site requires a valid email address. There is a log-in process where you register and receive a confirmation email back prior to gaining access to the site. This is only to enable us to eliminate those posters who are abusive to the group. No information about any poster is collected, no information is being sold or distributed to others. A cookie is utilized only to enable the registration process and subsequent log-ins. Since the site is just now getting started, be patient if it takes a few hours (or more) to get replies to your questions. Please understand that the regulars who volunteer to be available at this site do so as volunteers only. We receive no compensation beyond the opportunity to discuss our favorite topics with interested people. No one is getting paid to be there, and we all have lives outside of the internet. Although at times, that may seem hard to believe. Please register on the site, obtain your email confirmation, and initiate or join in on some discussion. Sincerely, Amatus Cremona That's what I call an SEO challenge... > That's what I call an SEO challenge... Meant to add: best of luck with it!! >> That's what I call an SEO challenge... > > Meant to add: best of luck with it!! Thats interesting, and by the way I don't own the forum. You will have to take up ownership with the dentists who run the show. C-ya phobic > >> That's what I call an SEO challenge... > > > > Meant to add: best of luck with it!! > > Thats interesting, and by the way I don't own the forum. I'm a bit protective when it comes to cpanels... I admire your trust. Anyway, best of luck with promoting your forum! > >> That's what I call an SEO challenge... > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > C-ya phobic "C-ya phobic" This comemtn does not surprise me, coming from Chang who writes.... "It appears that this iatroepidemic has been designed to promote the statistical growth of this patient population. The very suspicion of such dispicable conduct, for reasons known only to those in control, is unthinkable. This book tells a shocking and true story. Questions must be asked. Are the dental profession and the government choosing to ignore such a possibility? " Comment. The government and the dental profession are out to make us sick? Are we (patients) merely victims of some horrendous plot? Personally I don't view dentists as the enemy, but others may hold a different view. I believe in: EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE. -Educate parents. -Educate youth. -Educate communities on proper oral healthcare. -As a patient, take care of your oral health. As a patient, you are in control of much more than you realize. >Brush properly, 2x daily. >Floss daily. >Watch sugar intake; eat healthfully >Visit a professional at least yearly, preferably 2x per year. (For some it may even require more often, depending upon your individual health) >If you suffer from malocclusion, there are specialists that can help correct your bite. >Don't smoke >Learn about your water. Is it fluoridated? Learn about fluoride toothpastes, fluoride in foods, and levels that are appropriate for your young children. (Unbeknownst to many, prior to tooth eruption, too much CAN be harmful) Bottomline: As a patient, you are the true master of your health. Educate yourselves for your sake and for your children's sakes. Make good choices. -Sue (nondentist) Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental questions. As you no doubt have already noticed, this site has been hijacked by trolls trying to fabricate issues about toxicity levels and diseases which do not exist. For years, the dentists who have participated on this news group have tried to debate these trolls scientifically, tried to argue with them or just tried to ignore these posters. Unfortunately, these trolls have chosen to continue their barrage of attacks against science and proven methods of legitimate dental care. Finally, this group of dentists and ancillary personnel, have chosen to simply go away. The down side of this is that a lot of good people are left with their legitimate questions and concerns un-answered. As a group, we [the regular posters from this news group] have been discussing how to fill the void left by the absence of virtually all dental professionals from this news group. After thorough discussion, we have chosen to open a separate internet forum for people to ask questions, debate dental science, review techniques, learn about regulatory issues, etc. We have created this forum at: www.scimeddentistry.com/smd We welcome anyone to come to this site and discuss dental topics and concerns. To avoid flame wars and abuse to anyone posting to the site, there is a group of moderators on the site who will remove any poster who is rude, abusive, vulgar, or posts unwanted advertisements for other sites. Spam will not be tolerated, nor will any Troll-type behavior. Participating in the site requires a valid email address. There is a log-in process where you register and receive a confirmation email back prior to gaining access to the site. This is only to enable us to eliminate those posters who are abusive to the group. No information about any poster is collected, no information is being sold or distributed to others. A cookie is utilized only to enable the registration process and subsequent log-ins. Since the site is just now getting started, be patient if it takes a few hours (or more) to get replies to your questions. Please understand that the regulars who volunteer to be available at this site do so as volunteers only. We receive no compensation beyond the opportunity to discuss our favorite topics with interested people. No one is getting paid to be there, and we all have lives outside of the internet. Although at times, that may seem hard to believe. Please register on the site, obtain your email confirmation, and initiate or join in on some discussion. Sincerely, Amatus Cremona I just wanted to wish you all well with your site. I will miss some of you, you have been kind and very helpful answering my questions in the past. Good luck with this new endeavor. I have not signed up because I occasionally lurk here on SMD and don't feel that it is appropriate for me to be at this kind of group that you have established. UM MOM Susan > Dear patient or lay-person searching this news group for answers to dental > questions. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Amatus Cremona In life, we never stop questioning, and have always looked forward for your helpful and welcome comments everywhere. Whether it is teeth, crohns, UC or good wishes for the holidays. we try to blend the best we can with many factors, even those we do not understand. Gail > I just wanted to wish you all well with your site. I will miss some of you, > you have been kind and very helpful answering my questions in the past. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > > Amatus Cremona > In life, we never stop questioning, and have always looked forward for your > helpful and welcome comments everywhere. Whether it is teeth, crohns, [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > > > > > Amatus Cremona Susan and Gail, I believe in open communication between health disciplines (and forums). Your comments have always been welcome and appropriate here, as far as I am concerned. Dental goals are to improve oral health, correct? As such, there should be open communications established between physicians and dentists, IMHO. Various heath conditions (and medical treaments of these) can affect oral health. Oral health (and oral health treatments) can affect general health. -Sue If you believe in miracles, you may get a physician to join in. He/she would be swamped with medical questions. I may be wrong, but have never seen a physician in this type of dialogue. Occasionally (I think) one may post a published article or something similar, but never joins in casual talk about medicine or even teeth. . Never has a physician appeared even on the crohns-colitis newsgroup for discussion, and that would be a real challenge because of the diversity of the illness. I asked my Dr. if they teach crohns in medical school, and he shouted "Of course" Well, I feel it is not the traditional illness, it does not have a medical cause, but requires medical treatment and attention once its disastrous results are shown. If I had one wish, (aside of the ususal ones) it would be that everyone would think like me in this respect. Gail > Susan and Gail, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -Sue > If you believe in miracles, you may get a physician to join in. He/she > would be swamped with medical questions. I may be wrong, but have never [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > > > -Sue Gail, I have some uplifting input.. But before you get excited... no I have not found a physician to join our discussions or at the crohn's support group (sorry). I worked for 6 internists (physician clinic) very early in my career. They have no time during the day... 20 min max for lunch. Hospital Rounds in the early a.m. and then again in the evening....so minimum of 12-14 hour days. Always on call. Very stresseful job (... their's, not mine). Maybe a retired physician??? Later, Sue The retired physicians I have asked all want to go fishing in their retirement. Maybe we can find one that is afraid of boats and the water. Gail > Gail, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Later, > Sue <kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > The retired physicians I have asked all want to go fishing in their > retirement. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Later, > > Sue LOL. Well I cannot say I blame them for wanting to relax in their retirement. Maybe it will have to be a retired physician that has crohn's disease...in fact maybe a detnist with crohn's disease may have a personally vested interest in dental issues related to crohn's disease. Gail- Here is the news I thought was good. Maybe you have checked this out already: http://ccfa.org/ Are you located in America? The bike rides caught my eye. I love to cycle. My husband and I have done rides for MS. It is a fun way to vacation (just because we are a little nuts about cycling) while doing something advantageous for others as well. Win-win. :-) -Sue Sue, the complete url is www.ccfa.org and it is an excellent site. I am a member of the CCFA. They have been very helpful to me esp. with their emergency potty card on their membership card. Unfortunately there are lots of place that won't allow people to use the rest room even in an emergency and with crohn's it's always an emergency. You have to sign up to see what they have to say but the sign up is free. You don't have to join. I personally would love more people to know what IBD is. I don't agree with Gail's theory and she knows this but we are still friends. She is a nice lady but her pushing her theory and emailing newbie's on the crohn's site gives her a lot of flames which I am sorry about but she does need to stop that habit. She did it to me when I first showed up and scared the heck out of me with me thinking all kinds of things. It was my first time using a newsgroup. After this though I think we worked it out and have mutual respect, right Gail? UM MOM Susan > <kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> The retired physicians I have asked all want to go fishing in their [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > -Sue Susan, Of course we respect and like each other. I got scared when you posted how ill you were (after the operation) and thought I should e-mail you. If I scared you, I am sorry. But you never seemed as ill afterwards as you were then, so I can never understand any harm done. You are a very friendly person, and subject to being vulnerable to all the people on crohns. With crohns, solitude lessens the pain, but heightens the loneliness. Better come to this group for a change, at least it is safer here? Gail > Sue, the complete url is www.ccfa.org and it is an excellent site. I am a > member of the CCFA. They have been very helpful to me esp. with their [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > newsgroup. After this though I think we worked it out and have mutual > respect, right Gail? UM MOM SusanS Well remember, I didn't know crohn's then and when you emailed me your theory it scared me in a way that I didn't understand at all what you were saying. As you know I don't believe in your theory, this I have always said but that being said, you are always welcome to email me. Another thing I disagree with is your statement "solitude lessens the pain", I find when I am alone and flaring my pain is worse. I also find being with someone helps me to take my mind of my own issues. You take care of yourself. UM MOM Susan > Susan, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Better come to this group for a change, at least it is safer here? > Gail Last post on the crohns chazarai -- Well, allright Susan, I accept that I scared you with the message. Always thought of myself as a mild person, but maybe that has to be rearranged. By solitude lessening the pain means being away from people on stimulants, (mostly anti-depressants) and that is 90% of the people I know. And this quote from the Crohns group, although perhaps in a different context "I have seen things that defy scientific explanation." Will quit now. Except to say people overlook crohns in dealing with their teeth. If the implant failures have increased, look to crohns for the increased incidence of infection. It is usually so secretive a fact. Special care is necessary to lessen this risk. And should have made it clearer that anything or anyone not a danger to crohns, that helps to divert attention away from the illness is welcome. Gail (who is not a doctor, doesn't pretend to be one, does not have the least qualification to override the physicians, but feels crohns is not of medical cause, but becomes a medical need for treatment, that being when the physician can take over.) Gail > Well remember, I didn't know crohn's then and when you emailed me your > theory it scared me in a way that I didn't understand at all what you were [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You take care of yourself. UM MOM Susan O/T CROHNS Please do not read and get angry about topics that do not belong here. Sue, Went to a neighborhood dentist a while ago for an adjustment, and in discussion (cannot remember why the subject of crohns came up, but it usually does whereever I am) and he said his wife and sister- in law both have crohns. So naturally I begin to think he must be on an anti-depressant and affecting both his wife and sister-in-law and told him so. Well, his wife is better, but not his sister in law. Don't know what I asked him to do, but remember him saying he has no time. and too busy to pay attention. So this is how much most people care about solving the issue. The other retired dentist was the male nurse's father at the nursing home, and assume perhaps he could deduct that crohns is caused by stmulants, as his son was the one that was diagnosed with crohns. (He asked me why his legs were sore and hurting, and I told him it is a patient constantly sitting in the lobby observing him. She observes everybody, and the nurse said he couldn't do anything about that. He gave notice and quit. The other nurses that pay practically no attention to the patients other than necessity, and are very unfriendly do not have a problem. The link you provided is related to the chrons/colitis foundation, I guess, and I never read anything about them or any research or any treatments, because I feel I am satisfied with my answers to the problems of crohns.. I should know as much about teeth from long ago, I would be very happy. Thinking of a stupid question today, do dead teeth decay. What can happen to dead teeth (outiide of what Jan says) More susceptible to breakage probably, and what else. Can it cause insanity, I may be proof of that. And bicycling is great. But wouldn't waste a nickel or a ride for CCFA. Live in Chicago, (USA) and there is research at the University of Chicago, Dr. Kirsner is well known for this. Went to a seminar once where he was and gave him a sheet with info about crohns, and he threw it aside without looking at it. After all he is the last word on crohns. Getting lengthy here, so better stop before you join my critics. It is just a subject that should be solved. I read about physicians with crohns, but then how to know or reach them. Gail > LOL. Well I cannot say I blame them for wanting to relax in their > retirement. Maybe it will have to be a retired physician that has [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -Sue > O/T CROHNS Please do not read and get angry about topics that do not > belong here. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > > > -Sue Gail, We have gotten off topic, but I guess it is not too different than the dentists when they talk about music and personal happenings in their lives....on a dental usenet. Perhaps this particular discussion however (since it is of serious nature and there is a usenet dedicated to crohn's) is best continued there. Let me just say this however. I really cannot remark on your theories on what causes crohn's. Currently I believe that the cause is yet unknown (as stated on the ccfa website). I believe the cause may be a bit different for each individual as well (just my own uneducated theory, not knowing much about this illness). I really liked the ccfa site because it is non-profit and offers a lot of support to those that suffer from this illness. If you are satisfied with your answers, then I guess that is your answer. I wish you wellness and healing. You believe so strongly in your message. Perhaps scientific evidence will one day deliver this message for you. Sincerely, Sue Hey Sue! We are re-invigorating SMD. It is, was, and will be a spot for ALL to discuss, share, and harangue others. I mean really, if someone feels passionately about some dental topic, why not? Joely Moyamensing Dentex Dental (Philadelphia PA) >I just wanted to wish you all well with your site. I will miss some of you, >you have been kind and very helpful answering my questions in the past. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >> >> Amatus Cremona > Hey Sue! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >occasionally lurk here on SMD and don't feel that it is appropriate for me > >to be at this kind of group that you have established. UM MOM Susan Yes. The original SMD charter. :-) Sue |
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