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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / January 2006Amalgams cause hallucinations?
I read some anti-amagamites claim this, but I think it's like the voices they hear in their head saying, dentists are evil, dentists poison people.. I think they are just insane. Dentists aren't evil, but people should be wary of them for good measure. Dentists are part of a cartel or giant compulsary labor union called the American Dental Association. The ADA is a government enforced cartel, that distorts the free market in dentistry. Since one can't practice dentistry w/out the ADA's permission, existing dentists restrict the labor supply of new dentists by setting higher standards. High standards appear to help the public, but they really help the dentists, as higher standards (sometimes uneccessary standards) keep other new dentists from entering the market and competing with the business of existing dentists. Most dentists will tell you that we need the ADA for high health standards. However, there is a social question. How high should the standards be. If the standards are too high, we won't have enough dentists. Imagine if every car sold had to be as good as a Cadillac, most of us would be walking. Therefore, to my point, because the supply of dentists is restricted by the ADA, a government enforced cartel, dental care is probably a lot crappier than it could be. In any industry where there is a lack of competition, the service is crap. Modern dentistry is more barbaric than it would be in a free market. Of course, one might think, an un-regulated dental market would be dangerous. However, despite the fact that all hack dentists would go out of business, the free market could easily provide a way of checks to make sure your dentist is kosher. For example, insurance companies would probably not let you go to a dentist they don't approve of. Moreover, there is no reason to believe that the ADA makes dentists super safe. The ADA actually gives people a false sense of security and so people don't look out for themselves. IF you're always thinking "the government will protect me", you might not be looking out for obvious warning sings of a bad dentist. Like if he doesn't wash his hands after touching his balls or something.... So I think the amalgam people are on the right track in their thought. Dentists aren't evil, but the government enforced cartel has a tendency to make them so... Hope that clears up some of the confusion. Don't forget that the toxicologists all pay us a monthly stipend to put amalgam in people's teeth so they will have more work chelating it all out. Also, you forgot to mention that the president of the ADA is a leading official of Al Qida. Plus, the initiation rite for becoming a member of the ADA involves having the small toe on your left foot cut off at midnight on the 17th of September during a 5 hour secret ceremony. Please get your facts right!  Signature/ Amatus / > Dentists aren't evil, but people should be wary of them for good > measure. Dentists are part of a cartel or giant compulsary labor union [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Hope that clears up some of the confusion. Glad you brought all of this out, was unaware of it. Gail > Don't forget that the toxicologists all pay us a monthly stipend to put > amalgam in people's teeth so they will have more work chelating it all out. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Amatus >Don't forget that the toxicologists all pay us a monthly stipend to put >amalgam in people's teeth so they will have more work chelating it all out. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the 17th of September during a 5 hour secret ceremony. Please get your >facts right! Sista, the secret society is gonna sanction you for revealing that information. Don't forget the July 21st ritual at Stonehenge. I missed you at the Winter Solstice. The elders were not pleased with your absence. -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Don't forget that the toxicologists all pay us a monthly stipend to put > amalgam in people's teeth so they will have more work chelating it all out. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the 17th of September during a 5 hour secret ceremony. Please get your > facts right! Damn you! Letting out all our secrets!! T p.s. I am not an ADA member (since 1995)...so I just do all these evil things for sport. > Dentists aren't evil, but people should be wary of them for good > measure. Dentists are part of a cartel or giant compulsary labor union > called the American Dental Association. It is not compulsory to be an ADA member. The ADA is not a labor union. >The ADA is a government > enforced cartel, that distorts the free market in dentistry. The ADA is not government enforced. It doesn't have any say in the free market of dentistry. > Since one > can't practice dentistry w/out the ADA's permission, existing dentists > restrict the labor supply of new dentists by setting higher standards. The ADA has nothing to do with permits in dentistry. > High standards appear to help the public, but they really help the > dentists, as higher standards (sometimes uneccessary standards) keep > other new dentists from entering the market and competing with the > business of existing dentists. There are plenty of dentists with crappy standards working everywhere, if that is what you prefer. > Most dentists will tell you that we need the ADA for high health > standards. However, there is a social question. How high should the > standards be. If the standards are too high, we won't have enough > dentists. Imagine if every car sold had to be as good as a Cadillac, > most of us would be walking. High standards are not the same thing as high fees. > Therefore, to my point, because the supply of dentists is restricted by > the ADA, a government enforced cartel, dental care is probably a lot > crappier than it could be. Your point is based on false assumptions. > In any industry where there is a lack of > competition, the service is crap. Modern dentistry is more barbaric > than it would be in a free market. There is plenty of competition and you are free to choose in a free market. > Of course, one might think, an un-regulated dental market would be > dangerous. However, despite the fact that all hack dentists would go > out of business, the free market could easily provide a way of checks > to make sure your dentist is kosher. For example, insurance companies > would probably not let you go to a dentist they don't approve of. Insurance companies have nothing to do with quality. They are just a business to make money from people who think they are looking out for your health. > Moreover, there is no reason to believe that the ADA makes dentists > super safe. The ADA actually gives people a false sense of security and > so people don't look out for themselves. IF you're always thinking "the > government will protect me", you might not be looking out for obvious > warning sings of a bad dentist. Like if he doesn't wash his hands after > touching his balls or something.... The ADA is not the government. The various dental state boards and health departments are the ones that should protect you. If you find that your dentist has unsanitary or dangerous habits, you should report him/her to the state authorities. > So I think the amalgam people are on the right track in their thought. > Dentists aren't evil, but the government enforced cartel has a tendency > to make them so... Are you talking about the United States? > Hope that clears up some of the confusion. I certainly hope it does. Jorge Bonilla DMD http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos072.htm All 50 States and the District of Columbia require dentists to be licensed. To qualify for a license in most States, candidates must graduate from 1 of the 56 dental schools accredited by the American Dental Association's (ADA's) Commission on Dental Accreditation in 2004, and then must pass written and practical examinations. Candidates may fulfill the written part of the State licensing requirements by passing the National Board Dental Examinations. Individual States or regional testing agencies administer the written or practical examinations. Although, you may not have to join the ADA (I was wrong there), infact only 7 out of 10 dentists do, the ADA does have a lot to say about dentistry. If only the ADA can approve of dental schools, this still supports my theory, that the ADA can make it tougher to be a dentist, just to limit the labor supply of dentists, so dentists can earn more money. This would make the ADA a union or a cartel. Government lisences to practice dentistry, is really just a ploy to protect the jobs of dentists not the public. Government intervention is probably actually hurting the public in dentistry by making it cost more (ADA limits amount of dentists) and slowing the progress of dental innovations (less competition = less innovation) Now, insurance companies in a free market would play a huge role in making sure your dentist isn't a screw ball. If insurance companies have to foot the bill to repair your mouth, they may not even offer to fix your mouth if you go to your uncle Terry with a claw hammer to fix your mouth. but let me ask you this Jorge Bonilla, did you have to take the ADA test in english? Your name looks foreign. I love immigrants, but I know that the American Medical Association won't let doctors be doctors if they can't speak english... even if they can pass the test in their own language. Of course, the language requirement of government testing is part of the cartel's way to limit imports.. human imports of dentists... "Natural_Number" <jbfoster81@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1135961292h.884701.72450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > http://www.bls.gov/o2co/ocos072.htm hogwash . > "Natural_Number" <jbfoster81@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1135961292h.884701.72450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> http://www.bls.gov/o2co/ocos072.htm > > hogwash More like Nut-Case > http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos072.htm > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > regional testing agencies administer the written or practical > examinations. This is true. The ADA does have an accreditation function. They do not however, decide who is accepted in a dental school or who graduates and you may decide to not take their written board exams. In this case you would take the written state exam. You would need to take a practical exam no matter which written exam you take. > Although, you may not have to join the ADA (I was wrong there), infact > only 7 out of 10 dentists do, the ADA does have a lot to say about [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Now, insurance companies in a free market would play a huge role in > making sure your dentist isn't a screw ball. What they actually do is include a hold harmless clause in their contracts so that if you decide to sue a dentist, the insurance company cannot be held liable. > If insurance companies > have to foot the bill to repair your mouth, they may not even offer to > fix your mouth if you go to your uncle Terry with a claw hammer to fix > your mouth. Actually, insurance companies are eager to have dentists sign their contracts. I get contracts sent to me all the time and some even call to ask why I don't sign up. I do have some contracts, but it is the dentist who picks what company to sign with, not the other way around. Insurance companies make a lot of money with dental plans and they couldn't care less if your uncle pulled all your teeth. No wait, they would probably love to pay for that because that way they would only cover full dentures every five years. > but let me ask you this Jorge Bonilla, did you have to take the ADA > test in english? Your name looks foreign. I love immigrants, but I know > that the American Medical Association won't let doctors be doctors if > they can't speak english... even if they can pass the test in their own > language. Of course I took the test in english, and passed with an average percentile of 94 (back in 1983). Not bad for a second language. As for being immigrant the answer is no. I am from Puerto Rico and live and practice dentistry in Puerto Rico. My brother is also a dentist and he works in California. > Of course, the language requirement of government testing is part of > the cartel's way to limit imports.. human imports of dentists... Actually, the government offers jobs to Puertorican dentists like me who are fluent in more than one language (they need spanish speaking dentists). In those jobs you only need a dental license from any US jurisdiction (including Puerto Rico or any other territory). I do agree that there is a limitation for foreign dentists since it is difficult to discern the quality of a dentist. When I was in dental school we witnessed how a dentist from another country who had practiced for over twenty years had to take a series of exams (written and practical). After going through all that she was placed in third year and had to complete all requirements for third and fourth year. Then she had to take the board exams and the practical exam. Jorge Bonilla DMD Jorge, I don't see the point of you having to know 2 languages. Just spanish should be enough. This is a complex issue and it's easy to become polarized and take an extreme almost cartoonish position. I'm not against there being an American Dental Association. What I'm really against is the government giving the ADA the exclusive right to open dentistry schools and in essence choose who manufactures dentists and how they are manufactured. If you wanted to form the Bonilla Dental Association and open a school of dentistry that should be your right. I do think that if you opened a Bonila Dental Association, and it started training really bad dentists, the market would put it out of business. The market for dental schools is like going to the grocery store and only being able to buy one kind of soda pop, because its supposed to be the best, because the government says its the best... > I'm not against there being an American Dental Association. What I'm > really against is the government giving the ADA the exclusive right to > open dentistry schools and in essence choose who manufactures dentists > and how they are manufactured. If you wanted to form the Bonilla Dental > Association and open a school of dentistry that should be your right. Is that a fact? And if the "ADA approved dental schools" are the only ones teaching, then the "ADA trained" dentists would seem to have a large influence on the supposedly objective dental boards. > I'm not against there being an American Dental Association. What I'm > really against is the government giving the ADA the exclusive right to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > only being able to buy one kind of soda pop, because its supposed to be > the best, because the government says its the best... Yes, letting anyone open their own school will surely raise the level of care...and you are right about the whole free market concept doing away with bad dentistry...I mean just look at other unregulated businesses...the satisfaction level there is damn close to 100%! I think the whole licensing of professionals is another scam we could live without...anyone with interest and a pulse should be able to do whatever they damn well please. You have some really good ideas! T >> I'm not against there being an American Dental Association. What I'm >> really against is the government giving the ADA the exclusive right to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >T That's great ! Am going to move to plastics. It pays much better, and you can get laid too ! Nip/Tuck and all that Jazz.... -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Just when I was beginning to like you, then you go off on a bullsh*t tangent without regard to reality. >Dentists aren't evil, but people should be wary of them for good >measure. Your opinion. Me? I don't trust anyone. Least of all you. >Dentists are part of a cartel or giant compulsary labor union >called the American Dental Association. False. There is no compulsion to be a member of the ADA in order to practice. In fact I am *not* a member and don't have any desire to join. My state license is in full order. The ADA is not a 'labor union' in any sense of the phrase. Thanks for that ! I'd like to see someone try to organize a 'dentist labor union'. Each dentist is an individual, and we value that individuality. Am giving less than a snowball's chance in he|| for the DLU. >The ADA is a government >enforced cartel, that distorts the free market in dentistry. False, The ADA is not a governmental entity, cartel, or anything like a labor union. Join if you want, don't join if you don't want. Every dentist that I have ever met, values his/her freedom of choice. It's nice to be your own boss, but it's a lot of hard work. >Since one >can't practice dentistry w/out the ADA's permission, Entirely false. You should research how one gets a state dental license. >existing dentists >restrict the labor supply of new dentists by setting higher standards. Bogus. How do licensed dentists control this non-existant labor cartel ? Dental Schools set the admission requirements, and you have obviously never heard of the DAT. >High standards appear to help the public, but they really help the >dentists, as higher standards (sometimes uneccessary standards) keep >other new dentists from entering the market and competing with the >business of existing dentists. Man that's off the wall. A dentist must first complete college and get accepted to a dental school. Graduate from an accredited dental school, pass the national boards (2 parts), and the state boards No mean feat. Once you get the sheepskins, then you start a practice. That's not cheap either. One of my pet peeves is people like you who have no idea what it takes to even become a dentist. You think stupid stuff like the ADA controls all dentists. You make up sh*t about non-existent labor restrictions, unions, market competition, unnecessary (which *you* misspelled) standards, and alot of bullsh*t about competition that doesn't exist. I quit reading your typographical diarrhea at the last above quoted text. "Natural_Number" <jbfoster81@gmail.com> ... is a Communist. -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >False. There is no compulsion to be a member of the ADA in order to practice. In fact I am *not* a member and don't have any desire to join. My state license is in full order. The ADA is not a 'labor union' in any sense of the phrase. Thanks for that ! Exactly what do you think the purpose of the ADA is? They are a group of dentists who are given the exclusive right to create dental schools, IE dentists. They have direct power to control the supply of dentists, which in turn, controls the wages of all dentists. I applaud you for not joining the ADA, as any payments you give them, only further strengthens the beast. The ADA is a very efficient union. It has excellent public relations, as you can see, 99.9% of the people in this thread support the ADA. However, in a free society, people who want to practice dentistry, should have variety of schools they can learn from. Moreover, the distortions the ADA has caused in the market is becoming more apparent as time goes on. There is a lack of dentists to keep up with the population, but dentists usually don't work on Fridays. I also predict that soon dentists will start blaming insurance companies for the high cost of dentistry, as the doctors are doing. Then, as doctors, the ADA dentists will look for yet another government enforced protection of their business (that the rest of us don't get): the limitation of their liability for malpractice. The real social cost of all of this ADA nonsense, is that people only get one set of teeth their entire lives, and they must suffer from the lack of availability of care. "Natural_Number" <jbfoster81@gmail.com> wrote in message news:11361521393.343313.107670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... hogwash > Hope that clears up some of the confusion. My money is on you still being confused. T Tony Bad, Please read my posts #8 and #12 to clear up any confusion. Also, I would prefer it if you read more of a thread so you can keep up with the debate as it progresses. "Natural_Number" <jbfoster81@gmail.com> wrote in message news:11336150949.311202.35910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... cut > Tony Bad, > Please read my posts #8 and #12 to clear up any confusion. Also, I > would prefer it if you read more of a thread so you can keep up with > the debate as it progresses. A debate initiated with a moronic premise really isn't worth following. T > > Tony Bad, > > Please read my posts #8 and #12 to clear up any confusion. Also, I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > T Not true! Indeed whether you consider yourself a fool or a wise man, a wise man learns more from a fool than a fool ever learns from a wise man. > Not true! Indeed whether you consider yourself a fool or a wise man, a > wise man learns more from a fool than a fool ever learns from a wise > man. This explains a lot. T |
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