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Is There a Substitute for Flossing?

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ggdbr01@pacbell.net - 28 Dec 2005 21:11 GMT
Is there any substitute for daily flossing?

Flossing can be annoying, but it appears to be a necessary annoyance.
My dentist has a sign on the wall that says, "You don't have to floss
all of your teeth, only the ones you want to keep."

And nearly every dentist I've asked seems to say with schoolmaster-like
severity: YOU MUST FLOSS!!

Is this really true?  Or are there any more-convenient, less-annoying
alternatives?

And as an aside, what percentage of DENTISTS do you think floss
regularly?

Awaiting the collective wisdom of sci.med.dentistry...

Brett

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 28 Dec 2005 21:16 GMT
> Is there any substitute for daily flossing?
>
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    There are some interdental brushes such as Proxabrush that do a nice
job.  However, most patients without gum recession cannot pass these
brushes under the contact areas between the teeth all the way.
    Of course, if you are one of those lucky people (you know who you are)
who never get decay and never get gum disease, you probably only need to
worry about the smell.
    I began to floss regularly while in dental school, mostly to be on the
moral high ground when lecturing my patients.  But it soon became easy,
just part of the routine.

Steve

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ggdbr01@pacbell.net - 28 Dec 2005 21:25 GMT
Thank you for your response, Steve!

InciDENTALly, if I may ask a question I'm sure you've been asked a
zillion times, do you and Mark do dental work on each other?

Again, thank you for your response.  I will investigate the Proxabrush,
though I give you my word I will not abandon flossing for the time
being!

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 28 Dec 2005 21:32 GMT
> Thank you for your response, Steve!
>
> InciDENTALly, if I may ask a question I'm sure you've been asked a
> zillion times, do you and Mark do dental work on each other?

    At the risk of getting the HIPAA police after me, the answer is yes.

Steve

> Again, thank you for your response.  I will investigate the Proxabrush,
> though I give you my word I will not abandon flossing for the time
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Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 16:16 GMT
>> Is there any substitute for daily flossing?
>>
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>
>Steve

Mental Floss ?

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Amatus Cremona - 28 Dec 2005 21:31 GMT
> Is this really true?  Or are there any more-convenient, less-annoying
> alternatives?

Actually we all have huge amounts of stock in the only company in the world
that manufactures dental floos.  This company then sells it in giant spools
to the other companies who re-package it.  Every dentist makes at least
$50,000 a year on this alone.

> And as an aside, what percentage of DENTISTS do you think floss
> regularly?

Every one I have ever met.

> Awaiting the collective wisdom of sci.med.dentistry...

One comment was sarcastic and one was sincere.  You choose which.
Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 16:18 GMT
>> Is this really true?  Or are there any more-convenient, less-annoying
>> alternatives?
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>
>One comment was sarcastic and one was sincere.  You choose which.

It's the one about J&J stock, right ?

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Stovepipe - 04 Jan 2006 05:42 GMT
Amattttttttttttttttus first:

> >One comment was sarcastic and one was sincere.  You choose which.
>
> It's the one about J&J stock, right ?
>
> --

Well I'd be...
Raisin' it up....
.... An' waxin' it down....
In a little white box, that I....
Kin sell uptown....

(the still late) FZ

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Stovepipe - 04 Jan 2006 05:42 GMT
> > Is this really true?  Or are there any more-convenient, less-annoying
> > alternatives?
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> to the other companies who re-package it.  Every dentist makes at least
> $50,000 a year on this alone.

... Aye might be movin' to Montana, soon....

... and RAISE me up some Dennil Floss....

Yippie Ky-O Ty-Aye!!!!!

(the late) FZ

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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 28 Dec 2005 23:44 GMT
> Is there any substitute for daily flossing?
>
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> "The 100 finest sites on the Web, all in one place!"
> Widely-watched non-profit ranking of top Internet sites

Bret,
Much like many folks here I didn't start flossing till I entered the
industry (oral care mfg.) and thought brushing was good enough...what
an understatement.  I have interviewed many dentists and periodontists
at trade shows who are all floss freaks and I'm continuosly told they
would choose flossing over brushing if they had to.  Also, flossing
keeps away the harmful bacteria that can form in as little as 8 hrs
which can actually make you sick!  There are numerous studies that
conclude flossing benefits your general health and reduces the risk of
heart attacks!  Need I say more...

Regardless of keeping your gums healthy you should consider your
overall general health, it's all linked.  "Only floss the ones you want
to keep!"

Travis
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Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 16:24 GMT
>There are numerous studies that
>conclude flossing benefits your general health and reduces the risk of
>heart attacks!  

What a load of manure you're hauling in that cart.
Pulled by a JackAss, no doubt.

>Need I say more...

Yeah, cite some real scientific published studies.

BTW exercise and a good diet reduces the risk of heart attacks.

Add the occasional dram of Cask 191 and you have a formula
for a *rich* life.

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Amatus Cremona - 31 Dec 2005 20:08 GMT
If you speak with the people doing the research, they will tell you that
they have not yet designed a study which makes this concept usable in a
dental practice.  The studies linking heart disease to not flossing, have
not yet compensated for the fact that the people who do not take care of
their mouth, also do not take care of their heart.  People with lousy
hygiene habits also tend to have lousy life-habits.  The dental hygienists
however, have held these poorly done studies to their breast.  It makes them
feel much more important.  At least it gives them something else to
concentrate on besides pretending to increase access to care by having
independent hygiene practices.

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>>There are numerous studies that
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Sue - 04 Jan 2006 00:41 GMT
> If you speak with the people doing the research, they will tell you that
> they have not yet designed a study which makes this concept usable in a
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> > Take out the G'RBAGE
> > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

Typical comments from someone that has spent his last 5 years of CE on
a usenet.

-Sue
Dartos - 29 Dec 2005 14:25 GMT
Have you been in my office???

Like the sign intimates, a substitute for flossing is a nice
set of dentures (eventually, after lots of dental work and
the gum disease finally catches up to you).

As previously stated, there are a few people who are resistant
to decay and gum disease.  Most of us aren't.  I floss 2-3 times
a day.  The more you floss the easier it gets.

JME,
Dartos

> Is there any substitute for daily flossing?
>
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>
> Brett
Sue - 29 Dec 2005 16:45 GMT
> Have you been in my office???
>
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> >
> > Brett

I am wondering if there is any danger ot reusing dental floss.  There
was a kid in college (lived in the basement of the house that we
rented) that would rinse his floss and then reuse the same piece about
4-5 times. Apparently he did not have tight contacts and was able to
reuse the floss without it falling apart after a couple of uses.

Can someone introduce more bacteria if they reuse floss.... ?

Just curious,

-Sue  (nondentist, regular flosser, but not a reuser of floss)
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 29 Dec 2005 16:54 GMT
>>Have you been in my office???
>>
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>
> -Sue  (nondentist, regular flosser, but not a reuser of floss)

    Cheap is cheap, but that's ridiculous!
    I don't like traditional floss holders because exposing a fresh area is
cumbersome, so many folks floss their teeth with one exposed length.
    You are not likely to introduce a lot of bacteria into the pocket that
aren't there already.  There is I suppose some chance of transfering
bacterial from an infected pocket into a non-infected pocket.
    There is always the risk of causing a transient bacteremia when
flossing, but it would be a stretch to assume that this would be worse
with re-used floss.
    I hope he's not re-using someone else's floss, is all I wanna say.

Steve

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Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 17:24 GMT
>I hope he's not re-using someone else's floss, is all I wanna say.
>
>Steve

I can't believe that you wasted your precious time answering
such a bogus Q.

Especially if it's butt-floss.

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Sue - 01 Jan 2006 02:12 GMT
> >>Have you been in my office???
> >>
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> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001

Dr. Bornfeld,

FYI. I did not make up that story.  He was very proud of this fact.  He
had all sorts of ways of saving money.

The other guy (Miles) was just as bad.  They were quite a pair.

-Sue
Stovepipe - 04 Jan 2006 05:42 GMT
>       Cheap is cheap, but that's ridiculous!
>       I don't like traditional floss holders because exposing a fresh area is
> cumbersome, so many folks floss their teeth with one exposed length.

This is why I recommend the _Gum_ fork to those who want a fork: the
floss is in the handle and you don't have to unwind and pull and then
rewind. You just pull and hook it. You can even get refills or make your
own with any floss you want. I used one for awhile myself.

I once had a patiente from Switzerland who used knitting yarn as floss.
She used it to get under her bridge pontics with a threader. I have
tried it using the MIL's stuff (that stoped the conversation DEAD for
five minutes or so...), and so I would say that for loose or open
contacts, it isn't bad. You want the acrylic stuff, not the natural
yarn.

No.. I don't think you can get that onto a GUM floss fork...

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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 29 Dec 2005 21:45 GMT
Holy Toledo Dartos!  Reusing floss is not a good idea unless you're
flying a kite or using it for an inexpensive "trip wire" for
unsuspecting relatives at the christmas party...it goes in the garbage
after use.  If you were a Pocket Floss user...you would simply wind the
spent floss into a seperate container opposite the fresh contiainer
when your done flossing...hint...hint...

Also a little known fact for you, DO NOT LET YOUR CAT FIND YOUR USED
FLOSS IN THE TRASH CAN!!!  A large number of cats die each year with
tied intestines from dental floss comsumption.  Not pretty...kitty.
Floss it up...but please grab a fresh piece every time.  You're worth
it.
Travis

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> > Have you been in my office???
> >
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> -Sue  (nondentist, regular flosser, but not a reuser of floss)
Dartos - 29 Dec 2005 23:48 GMT
Please get your authors right.

Dartos

> Holy Toledo Dartos!  Reusing floss is not a good idea unless you're
> flying a kite or using it for an inexpensive "trip wire" for
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> it.
> Travis

>>I am wondering if there is any danger ot reusing dental floss.  There
>>was a kid in college (lived in the basement of the house that we
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>>-Sue  (nondentist, regular flosser, but not a reuser of floss)
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 30 Dec 2005 10:01 GMT
Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 17:22 GMT
>I am wondering if there is any danger ot reusing dental floss.  

Do you re-use toilet paper ?

What a maroon.

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Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 17:14 GMT
Still like the way butt-floss looks on hot chicks.
After that, use mental-floss.

Then go clean yer toofeses.

>Have you been in my office???
>
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>>
>> Brett

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Stovepipe - 04 Jan 2006 05:42 GMT
> As previously stated, there are a few people who are resistant
> to decay and gum disease.  Most of us aren't.  I floss 2-3 times
> a day.  The more you floss the easier it gets.
>
> JME,
> Dartos

Movin' tooo Montana  swooon....
gonna bee a Dennil Floss tyFoon....

(the lamentably still late) FZ

[I know that isn't what the Oh-fishial published lyrics say.... that's
what they sing on the album anyway...]

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Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 16:14 GMT
>Is there any substitute for daily flossing?

Yes there is.

We call them 'dentures'.

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Alexander Vasserman DDS - 08 Jan 2006 09:38 GMT
letsconnect - 09 Jan 2006 13:02 GMT
> Is there any substitute for daily flossing?
>
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> Is this really true?  Or are there any more-convenient, less-annoying
> alternatives?

For some people, these work better:
* stimudents (see http://www.doctorspiller.com/Prevention.htm )
* Tepe brushes (http://www.tepe.se/ )
 
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