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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / December 2005Link for Bruxers
Link that Bruxers might check http://neurology.health-cares.net/bruxism-treatment.php Excerpts: "though presently there is no cure available for bruxers, it may be beneficial to work at reducing stress and anxiety before bedtime, by a winding down activity such as massage, meditation or reading.." "..To prevent damage to teeth, night guards, or appliances (splints) have been used since the 1930s to treat teeth grinding, clenching and TMJ disorders...." -Sue why don't you just post the nti site instead of that sue,. "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1135733038.240535.411740@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Link that Bruxers might check > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -Sue > why don't you just post the nti site instead of that sue,. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > -Sue NTI site would be considered SPAM, since that is a commercial product (I think). Also I did not know there was an NTI site. Perhaps the NTI is a wonderful device, as many have claimed... but I have no experience wiht the NTI. I am interested all treatments, including relaxation and stress relief techniques. -Sue I'm interested in treatments that work. ;-) Dartos Perhaps the NTI is a > wonderful device, as many have claimed... but I have no experience wiht > the NTI. I am interested all treatments, including relaxation and > stress relief techniques. > > -Sue > I'm interested in treatments that work. > ;-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > -Sue Using all treatments available leads to one thing: iatroepidemic I'm with Dartos. I'm interested in the treatments that work ... that is, the ones that improve the quality of life with the least risk of harm. Webby >> I'm interested in treatments that work. >> ;-) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Webby Maybe she thinks orthognathic surgery to prevent tempormandibular joint destruction in asymptomatic patients is a good treatment? How about a full coverage splint for primary clenchers? > >> I'm interested in treatments that work. > >> ;-) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > How about a full coverage splint for primary clenchers? I guess it's none of my business why someone else has an interest in anything really. My particular interests fall heavily into "...the harm it causes". pgs. 325-364 Webby >> >> I'm interested in treatments that work. >> >> ;-) [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Webby Yeah I suppose you are right, but statements like she made in this group, in this day and age, are bound to bring out some serious replies about 'the harm' all the treatments available can provide. all i can say is hmmmmmmmmmmm > I guess it's none of my business why someone else has an interest in > anything really. My particular interests fall heavily into "...the harm > it causes". pgs. 325-364 First page of the book I was just going to check on my lunch break says: "This is a book. Unless you don't read, then it's a coaster." You two could have written a similar preface in your book. "This a book. Unless you refuse to read about iatroepidemics, then it's a coaster." I like the top paragraph on P338  Signature/ Amatus / > >>> >> I'm interested in treatments that work. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > all i can say is hmmmmmmmmmmm >> >> I'm interested in treatments that work. >> >> ;-) [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Webby What happened to? I'm done out here for a while. Got to get back to work now and get some things accomplished. Looking forward to possibly seeing some of you in February at the ABC's course. "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message news:ZPB1sf.655282$x96.301097@attbi_s72... ignore the child molester who leaves her freaky abusive evil brother to watch her ill parents > "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message > news:ZPB1sf.655282$x96.301097@attbi_s72... What happened to? I'm done out here for a while. Got to get back to work now and get some things accomplished. Looking forward to possibly seeing some of you in February at the ABC's course >> "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message >> news:ZPB1sf.655282$x96.301097@attbi_s72... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > things accomplished. Looking forward to possibly seeing some of you in > February at the ABC's course I have accomplished my things i needed to accomplish and now im back to play. who cares. [cut] >>> "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message >>> news:ZPB1sf.655282$x96.301097@attbi_s72... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> things accomplished. Looking forward to possibly seeing some of you in >> February at the ABC's course You know, "You can help anyone turn a frown upside down. Just pull of their head and flip it over." / > "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message > news:ZPB1sf.655282$x96.301097@attbi_s72... > > ignore the child molester who leaves her freaky abusive evil brother to > watch her ill parents >You know, "You can help anyone turn a frown upside down. Just pull of >their head and flip it over." > >/ Did you mean: "just pull their head out of their a** and look at that 'sh*t-eatin'-grin" ? JesWonderin' -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > > I'm interested in treatments that work. > > ;-) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Webby Webby and Dartos, I am interested in hearing your opinions on what may work without creating more harm to the patient if you would like to share. It sounds like there is no good, clear-cut treatment for TMJ disorders. (I am surmising this from discussions thus far and from opening the TMJ Association website that Webby pointed out). I apologize for not having looked too closely at Dr. Boyd's NTI device. I do not know that much about it other than it appears to be a splint-like device that fits onto the anterior teeth. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Dr. Boyd mentions that by wearing a NTI device, the parafunction that is present, might be deprogrammed....(I believe he uses the term "deprogram." If not, I apologize! I am curious to know what his theory (or others) is regarding the exact mechanisms that may be players at work (re: parafunction as well as why the NTI might help to deprogram this parafunction). As I mentioned earlier, several weeks ago, I was intrigued by some of the discussions surrounding his book on migraine relief. I was intrigued because I suffer from infrequent migraine. I also devote time to studying the pathogensesis of heart failure (my own interest, and this also aligns with the work I am supporting). When a person develops heart failure, several compensatory mechansims are activated (including increased sympathetic drive). Sympathetic activation was brought up in the aforementioned discussion. This piched my interest. I became interested in better understanding parafunction, sleep bruxism and TMJ disorders. Since then I have have been reading a LITTLE bit about the potential associations of sleep bruxism, sleep apnea, heart failure, and the stress response. I am interested in finding out whether there has been anything published that may indicate interactive roles that the CNS, ANS and/or the inflammatory responses might play in these associations... or if these are merely coincidental and not necessarily associated pathologies. It seems there ARE some interesting publications. I am starting to review these. To anyone that reads this post and is offended by any of my (mis)interpretations or recountings of previous discussions, I apologize in advance. Be forewarned that everything I have stated is opinion only and open for discussion/correction. I can safely say that I cannot recall with 100% accuracy any of the discussions that I read at the other dental forum site. Also I am obviously not an expert in this. I am interested in learning more. I am doing so on my own, but I am looking for an informed group discussion at some point. However if that never happens, that's ok with me too. Thanks, Sue Likewise I'm not a neurologist, but I do know a little about parafunction relating to dentistry. For starters, I would expand on the topic of 'bruxism'. Bruxism relates primarily to tooth wear from rubbing them against each other. It is a concern, but it is not the main factor governing parafunctional activity and the subsequent problems. Most TMJ pain, headaches, cracked teeth, and abfractions occur due to *clenching*. Clenching often involves much greater forces exerted to the muscles, joints, and teeth than mere bruxism. Safe non-invasive treatments to conteract clenching have been attempted for years. Invasive expensive treatments have also been attempted. Nothing was very successful or predictable. The more invasive therapies often led to a patient being worse for the treatment. The NTI is the one device that will greatly lessen clenching and thereby ease many symptoms. It is not a magic cure that stops clenching. It is a safe, non-invasive, effective treatment to reduce parafunctional activity. It is the best therapy that I have seen to date. Dartos > Also I am obviously not an expert in this. I am interested in learning > more. I am doing so on my own, but I am looking for an informed group [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks, > Sue AC made an NTI for me. Was a skeptic, but after 3-5 weeks, I was convinced. Switched all of my current 'full arch' patients to an NTI @ no charge. Have had a bit of trouble convincing some that they will need less crowns, or other dental treatment in the future, for a very small investment. Dartos, you-da-man ! (scroll down for the redacted comments of Suie) >> Also I am obnoxious & not an expert in this. >>I am interested in learning more better how to give a better BJ. >> I am doing so on my own, Self-fellatio ? Flexible you are, eh ? Are you posting, err... I meant *posing* with "The Pipe" ? >>but I am looking >> for an informed group sex discussion at some point. You should try some of the gay groups. Point your toes to the North, and your head to the West, and your fat a** to also to the West. Oh wait, forgot that your head is so far up your a** that yer eyz ur brown. >>However if that never happens, that's ok >> with me too. You must be really ugly. Try putting a bag over your head, pig. >> Thanks, >> Sue-me -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > why don't you just post the nti site instead of that sue,. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > -Sue NTI site would be considered SPAM, since that is a commercial product (I think). Also I did not know there was an NTI site. Perhaps the NTI is a wonderful device, as many have claimed... but I have no experience wiht the NTI. I am interested all treatments, including relaxation and stress relief techniques. -Sue >> why don't you just post the nti site instead of that sue,. >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > -Sue Oh just forget it sue. "I am interested all treatments" > NTI site would be considered SPAM, since that is a commercial product > (I think). > Also I did not know there was an NTI site. Perhaps the NTI is a > wonderful device, as many have claimed... but I have no experience with > the NTI. I am interested all treatments, including relaxation and > stress relief techniques. Hi Joel Signature/ Amatus / > >>> why don't you just post the nti site instead of that sue,. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > "I am interested all treatments" >> NTI site would be considered SPAM, since that is a commercial product >> (I think). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Hi Joel Yeah this is from Sue who had all sorts of things to say about Dr. Boyd,but doesn't know there is an NTI site.. something smells kinda stinky don't it Amatus? > Yeah this is from Sue who had all sorts of things to say about Dr. > Boyd,but doesn't know there is an NTI site.. something smells kinda > stinky don't it Amatus? Like a latrine. Signature/ Amatus / > >>> NTI site would be considered SPAM, since that is a commercial product [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Boyd,but doesn't know there is an NTI site.. something smells kinda > stinky don't it Amatus? >> Yeah this is from Sue who had all sorts of things to say about Dr. >> Boyd,but doesn't know there is an NTI site.. something smells kinda >> stinky don't it Amatus? > > Like a latrine. Now theres a word that doesn't get used nearly enough these days! My New Year wish for Amatus, Whamatus and Tim is that they are able to stop viewing the world as one big stinky place out to take advantage of them or others. If I could, I would send them the song "What a Wonderful World" sung by Louis Armstrong. My wish is that they would listen to that song and seriously take it to heart. This wish may cause further inner anger, but sometimes that is OK (IMO). Sometimes one must confront their inner conflicts. Looking for scapegoats to "pound" and to "beat" only demonstrates inner unhappiness IMHO. That is the only logical conclusion I can draw from their posts. My wish for Stovepipe is that he stops smoking. His smoking does not set a good example for family or patients. Quitting tobacco would also provide SP better health, something we all want. Other than that, I wish him further happiness and prosperity.... but the latter are meaningless if one does not also enjoy good health (IMHO). My wish for Dr. Bornfeld is continued health, happiness and prosperity!!!! My wish for Webby is that she continues to finding healing through means that suit her.. .such as this Usenet and the regulars that support her. My wish for Jan is that she finds peace and learns to ignore all those that relish in finding a scapegoat to bash. In this manner she may not feel compelled to throw daggers at these people as well, that continue only to personally bash her. She must stop for them to stop and vice versa (IMHO). To Jim I wish that his new smile will bring him MUCH joy and few complications!!! The investment ($) towards implants is well worth it , IMH (non-expert) O. The others ... Dartos, Vaughn, Tony Bad, Pell Mell and other names I may have forgotten... I wish you well too. The world is only stinky if you choose to look at it that way. JMO, Sue PS To Joel. I have already told him on the phone. He is doing so well. He has opened at least one clinic in Philly that provides low-cost dental implants, takes Medicaid children and caters to lower-income families. His current philosophy is one toward serving the patients and giving back. He has already enjoyed a prosperous career and he is now "giving back" to his community in the ways in which he do so most purposely...(dentistry!) I spoke to him X-mas eve a.m. at his clinic and he had already seen 2 emergency cases. ofr just opening (within the last 2 months), a lot of people are already seeking care at his clinic. :-) :-) > My New Year wish for Amatus, Whamatus and Tim is that they are able to > stop viewing the world as one big stinky place out to take advantage > of them or others. yeah yeah yeah... Our wish is that Sue the dental groupie would just go away. > Our wish.... "Speak for yourself, John." The others are big boys. They can speak for themselves. >> Our wish.... > > "Speak for yourself, John." The others are big boys. They can speak for > themselves. Was someone talking to you? >>> Our wish.... >> >> "Speak for yourself, John." The others are big boys. They can speak for >> themselves. > > Was someone talking to you? NEWSFLASH This is a public newsgroup. That YOU do NOT control. "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message news:fOBsf.6662248$_o.26221@attbi_s71... NEWSFLASH: This is a newsgroup that doesn't need you. > "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message > news:fOBsf.6662248$_o.26221@attbi_s71... > > NEWSFLASH: This is a public newsgroup That YOU do NOT control > >> Our wish.... > > > > "Speak for yourself, John." The others are big boys. They can speak for > > themselves. > > Was someone talking to you? No, worse than that. Someone was including other people, including me, in their own opinion. Use "my," not "our," if you don't want to include others in your characterizations. | > Our wish.... | | "Speak for yourself, John." The others are big boys. They can speak for | themselves. Tim could have been referring to the Royal "We" > | > Our wish.... > | > | "Speak for yourself, John." The others are big boys. They can speak for > | themselves. > > Tim could have been referring to the Royal "We" True. I hadn't considered that level of self-importance. >> | > Our wish.... >> | [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > True. I hadn't considered that level of self-importance. You we're not included in anything pell mell... you were the furthest 'thing' from my mind.. it was you who intruded. That kind of post, is entirely unnecessary. >>> | > Our wish.... >>> | [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You we're not included in anything pell mell... you were the furthest > 'thing' from my mind.. it was you who intruded. who are you burglarize my conversation, butt out. > That kind of post, is entirely unnecessary. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> You we're not included in anything pell mell... you were the furthest >> 'thing' from my mind.. it was you who intruded. > who are you burglarize my conversation, butt out. Get real. Your post was entirely unnecessary. If you can't post without biting peoples' heads off, please don't post at all. It doesn't help, it hinders. >> That kind of post, is entirely unnecessary. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>> You we're not included in anything pell mell... you were the furthest >>> 'thing' from my mind.. it was you who intruded. "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message news:TIXsf.658386$x96.1636344@attbi_s72... ignore >> | > Our wish.... >> | [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >True. I hadn't considered that level of self-importance. That's kind of funny coming from such a narcissist such as yourself. Go play with your willy, pellmell. -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >| > Our wish.... >| >| "Speak for yourself, John." The others are big boys. They can speak for >| themselves. > >Tim could have been referring to the Royal "We" You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the h*ll else are you talkin' to? You talkin' to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? Huh? Ok. -Robert DeNiro (Travis) -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>| > Our wish.... >>| [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -Robert DeNiro (Travis) Love that movie!!! >> Yeah this is from Sue who had all sorts of things to say about Dr. >> Boyd,but doesn't know there is an NTI site.. something smells kinda >> stinky don't it Amatus? > >Like a latrine. Sorry, it doesn't smell that good. -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>> NTI site would be considered SPAM, since that is a commercial product >>> (I think). [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >doesn't know there is an NTI site.. something smells kinda stinky don't it >Amatus? Like the blind man said when he passed the fish market... "hello girls" ? -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com |
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