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nivo - 27 Dec 2005 18:59 GMT
Hi

I am 28 and have Gingival recession. How bad is this. Could someone
tell me more about this condition.

nivo
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 27 Dec 2005 19:05 GMT
> Hi
>
> I am 28 and have Gingival recession. How bad is this. Could someone
> tell me more about this condition.
>
> nivo

    As AC just posted, there are a variety of possible causes.  Evaluating
the cause is more important than the recession itself, unless the
recession becomes severe.  For the average person recession is an issue
if it is esthetically a problem; it may also cause sensitivity to hot,
cold, or brushing.  Patients who are susceptible to caries may find that
decay spreads more easily and rapidly on the exposed root surface.
    There may be specific anatomic details in your mouth that may increase
the chances of recession, and may accelerate tissue loss.
    It is tough to say without an exam just how big an issue this may be
for you.  It is also important to know how much (if at all) the
condition progresses over time.

Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 29 Dec 2005 00:11 GMT
Nivo,
Floss is the key my friend, there are too many reasons to mention.  If
you aren't flossing once a day minimum you are subjecting yourself to a
host of general health risks as well as gingivitus and harmful plaque
bacteria.

I personally never use to floss...AT ALL!  I was told I needed "GUM
GRAFTS" to fix my problems with my recession at age 26...talk about
treating a symtom not the cause!!!  Thats modern medicine for you.
After that I just didn't go to the dentist again for about 4-5 years
out of fear.  I started a helping my dad promote his new "flosser"
invention about 6 months before my return to the dentist chair and used
it all the time because it's really easy to use and I figured it might
help with my recession.  When I did make the dreaded visit to the
dentist they said my teeth needed some serious cleaning but there were
NO CAVITIES and my GUMS WERE VERY HEALTHY!!!  It was awesome.  Floss
often!
Travis

http://www.pocketfloss.com
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 29 Dec 2005 00:32 GMT
> Nivo,
> Floss is the key my friend, there are too many reasons to mention.  If
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>
> http://www.pocketfloss.com

    Flossing will not cure mucogingival problems.
    I am not one of the spam bashers, but presuming to know the cause of
the OP's gingival recession is wrong.  Representing that flossing is the
answer is wrong.
    Please stop.

Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 29 Dec 2005 01:21 GMT
Steve,
   I'm by no means trying to infer flossing is a cure all for all
dental trouble and appreciate my dentist and his opinion.  Flossing has
been proven to reduce the amount of harmful bacteria in the mouth and
help keep gums healthy.  Something tells me Nivo wasn't a regular
flosser and I don't blame him.  My dentist never told me why to floss,
he just told me to do it.  I never listened like approximately 85% of
the poplulation that continues to disregard flossing.  I too have been
in similar shoes to Nivo with gingival recession.

Steve, can you confirm that flossing would at least be helpful to the
condition from a professional point of view?  I don't think I'm far off
base here but surely don't want to mislead anyone.

I've read the lack of flossing in today contributes to a great deal of
unnecessary gum disease and infections that are all preventable.  I've
personally experienced this by flossing more often.  Some medical
conditions can be cured simply by lifestyle changes, but you can't
charge people for lifestyle changes, it's very popular these days to
charge people to mask their health problems and profit from it.
Lifestyle changes are free but most people are lazy and choose designer
drugs or plastic surgery to "mask the symptom".

As far as Nivo's condition without an exam you can't know just how bad
the receeding is, but it appears he was told the same message I got
from my dentist...which I happened to fix inadvertently with proper
maintenance and flossing.  There is a point of no return of course
which may be the case with Nivo.  I'm a bit skeptical however after a
dentist told me I was at that same stage and needed "grafting" which
somehow was not necessary or even mentioned after I returned to the
dentist after I became a floss-a-holic.

Steve, I am interested in what you might reccommend to "cure" the
gingival recession if it were really bad in Nivo's case?  And no I'm
not taking a poke at you, just interested.  Thanks.
Travis

http://www.pocketfloss.com
Steven Bornfeld - 29 Dec 2005 02:33 GMT
> Steve,
>     I'm by no means trying to infer flossing is a cure all for all
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> not taking a poke at you, just interested.  Thanks.
> Travis

    Depends totally on what is causing the recession.  Periodontal disease
may be a factor, it is true.  So may parafunction, bad brushing/flossing
technique, and anatomical problems unrelated to oral hygiene.

Steve

> http://www.pocketfloss.com
Sue - 29 Dec 2005 17:35 GMT
(snip)

>     Depends totally on what is causing the recession.  Periodontal disease
> may be a factor, it is true.  So may parafunction, bad brushing/flossing
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>
> > http://www.pocketfloss.com

"bad brushing/flossing  technique,"

Hi,

I just remembered something else.. that Dr. Bornfeld has mentioned here
too.  A friend of mine that used to be my dentist (she has since moved
out of state) told me not to brush so hard and to use "softer" bristled
toothbrushes.

She told me that hard bristles and brushing too vigorously can cause
some gum recession.  And that was true, I had been brushing really
hard, using a hard bristled toothbrush.. and this was causing some gum
recession (this was about 20 years ago).

You might want to ask your dentist about your brushing technique as
well.

-Sue (patient only)
Dartos - 29 Dec 2005 22:18 GMT
It's possible to brush too much and too hard, butI find that much less
frequently than clenching and garden variety perio.

JME,
Dartos

> I just remembered something else.. that Dr. Bornfeld has mentioned here
> too.  A friend of mine that used to be my dentist (she has since moved
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>
> -Sue (patient only)
Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 19:07 GMT
>It's possible to brush too much and too hard, butI find that much less
>frequently than clenching and garden variety perio.
>
>JME,
>Dartos

Just how does that 'garden' grow, Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary ?

Am wondering about the fertilizer though.

Parafuntion is the bane of the human dentition at this time.

Am wondering if there is evidence of modern dental problems
in the teeth of those from, let's say, 1 to 2 hundred years ago.

Just a thought.

--
Whamatus
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Ann - 29 Dec 2005 11:33 GMT
>Nivo,
>Floss is the key my friend, there are too many reasons to mention.  If
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>often!
>Travis

You're just a spammer with the usual lies thinking that we are going
to believe them and buy your product.  Get real.  It's a total turn
off.  If your mouth was in a state at the age of 26 it wasn't because
you weren't flossing.  But we all know it's lies anyway.  Your
obsequious come backs when someone challenges are slightly amusing
however.

Also it's 'used to' and not 'use to'.  Spammers can never spell!
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 30 Dec 2005 09:59 GMT
Ann,
Thanks for the sunshine and valuable insight you've provided.  No lies
here for the record, just some thoughts and floss knowledge from a guy
who lives floss daily.
Travis
Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 17:07 GMT
Ann, you're my kinda gal.

>>Nivo,
>>Floss is the key my friend, there are too many reasons to mention.  If
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>
>Also it's 'used to' and not 'use to'.  Spammers can never spell!

--
Whamatus
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 16:41 GMT
Travis Romine wrote:
    "<Spam> is the key my friend"

Whoops.
>Nivo,
>Floss is the key my friend

My dearest Travis Romine,

I will hunt you down and continue to report your
abusive behavior to your hosts.

No threat, a promise.

Continue your spam and reap what you sow, biatch.

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>From: "Floss-a-holics Anonymous" <travis@pocketfloss.com>
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>Nivo,
>Floss is the key my friend

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Whamatus
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 04 Jan 2006 22:09 GMT
Whamatus,
Take some of your own advice.

Sincerely,

Travis Romine
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Sue - 29 Dec 2005 17:16 GMT
> Hi
>
> I am 28 and have Gingival recession. How bad is this. Could someone
> tell me more about this condition.
>
> nivo

Hi Nivo,

I am not a dentist and I cannot tell you if this is truly sound method,
but I will write it anyway.  Dentists can let you know if this may be
insignificant, helpful or harmful.

Throughout out the year.. maybe once or twice, I notice my gums bleed
when I floss.  When this happens, I buy fresh (dilute) hydrogen
peroxide (the antiseptic you buy in the brown bottle at the drug
store).

After brushing and flossing at night, I swish a swig of  H2O2  in my
mouth for about 10 minutes and then spit it out.  (I do not swallow
it).  When I do this, most often the bleeding is gone the next night
when I floss.  Sometimes it is gone after a couple nights of this
ritual.

I am not sure if the H2O2 is responsible... but in my mind anyway, it
seems  to help.  It also does not irritate my gums (when they bleed)
like mouthwashes seem to.

Best,
-Sue (patient only)
Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 17:26 GMT
>> Hi
>>
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>but I will write it anyway.  Dentists can let you know if this may be
>insignificant, helpful or harmful.

Savior Syndrome Extraordinare.

--
Whamatus
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
 
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