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Tim Dixon is Sabra's Brother, Used to post under the name of Bruce Chang
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JanD - 23 Dec 2005 20:33 GMT (STILL HAS TH SAME CONTROL PROBLEM!)
Subject: Divide & Conquer
Date: 1999/08/15
From: rp3...@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Chang)
What reasons could there be to divide and conquer the doctor/public relationship of this newsgroup? Especially in matters concerning the temporomandibular joint.
Any guesses?
Tim Dixon, who posts under the name "Bruce Chang," blithered the following insanity in message <37b70f19.15773...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> What reasons could there be to divide and conquer the > doctor/public relationship of this newsgroup? It must be because all of the world's governments and corporations are really pursuing a single, hidden goal: to silence Tim Dixon and his sister. The whole world, except Tim and Sabra, is in on the Conspiracy. Can't you tell this by the way people look at you in the street? And people claim to just happen by smd, but come on, who are they kidding? They're all operatives for the Conspiracy. Need proof of this? Well, they disagree with you, and think you're a nut. What more proof could one possibly need? That there is a Conspiracy is obvious. The only reason you and sister have lasted as long as you have is that you hide out in really obscure corners of the Internet -- places like AOL and AT&T, which almost nobody has ever heard of.
And what's the final proof of the existence of the Conspiracy? That when you come to this NG and obnoxiously rant and rave for four or five years, people ask you to shut up. What more proof could there be that "they" are trying to silence you?
(P.S., Good move hiding out on AT&T, by the way. What an outlaw ISP! They'll never find you there!)
On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:19:25 -0400, "Eaton T. Fores, Zugumbas fag
boyfriend" <fug...@yeah.right.sure> wrote:
More dribble from the brain of a junkie. How's that leg doing doper.
Stovepipe - 24 Dec 2005 07:31 GMT > (STILL HAS TH SAME CONTROL PROBLEM!) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > relationship of this newsgroup? Especially in matters concerning the > temporomandibular joint. The only person who can change his/her mind is a person that's got one. Looks to me, after having read The Book, like Tim has shown that he's got one. But, it looks like this ...individual... has _never_ had one.
Who else but a total AS*HOLE would dredge up past issues from a time when things were bleak for Tim and Sabra, and after Sabra had been so ill?
This ...B*TCH... supposedly almost died from some kind of dental poisoning. If that is true, this...B*TCH... should have sympathy for others in desparate medical/dental situations.
If you have unanswered health issues, look to the teeth? How about unanswered PSYCHIATRIC issues?
I cannot wish this ...individual... a Merry Xmas. In all honesty, I, for one, wish this for ...individual... what this ...individual... sincerely deserves. No more, no less.
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Tim Dixon - 24 Dec 2005 14:41 GMT >> (STILL HAS TH SAME CONTROL PROBLEM!) >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > one, wish this for ...individual... what this ...individual... > sincerely deserves. No more, no less. Thank you Stove. What was important during those years was that Webby (Sabra) got to tell her story the way she needed to tell it in the hopes of identifying the TMJ Iatroepidemic. It is very true that during this time Chang (Tim) also fell victim to the iatroepidemic but my individual story was not important but yet it allowed me to play a siginificant role as a wittness to that patient population that gets caught up with bad doctors and even worse lawyers. By the time that 'book' was completed Chang was what was referred to as an end stage disease and I was given multiple surgical opinions by who might be considered top in the field of maxillofacial surgery here in San Diego. The consensus between 4 surgeons was they had to cut and that there was nothing else that could be done to treat my condition. 3 surgeons all wanted to perform plication with ligation bilaterally using bone anchor sutures, the 4th disagreed after reviewing dye injected cinearthrograms and stated that the disease was so bad that the only solution was to perform emergency bilateral condylectomies and if I did not have them I would develop a brain infection and die. He gave me six months.
Needless to say I was not stupid or naive and having a sister who had more major facial surgeries than even I can remember I was not taking any of this lightly, but I was also very confused. I had come to know the TMJ people and their plight and all the terrible things many of them had experienced and I did not want that for myself, and yet I found myself needing to trust that these surgeons were highky skilled men, prominent in their fields, and very well known. On the one hand the plication didn't sound like too bad of an option, yes an open joint procedure, but no jaw fixation afterwards and afterall 3 of them said it was the way to go. But the other guy, now he just plain scared me, what did he see in those films and video that the others didn't see, or if they saw it why didn't they consider it or report it in their differential?
The clock is ticking, I have been given six months to have a complicated surgery or face the prognosis of death by brain infection due to the condyle head grooving into the cranium. What if he was right and the other 3 were wrong, or vice versa, what was I suppose to do? What did Webby think, she was beside herself, what could she tell her little brother after suffering so much herself? She knew all these surgeons and the one who wanted to do the amputations stated in his written report that my sister was a well known patient in the maxillofacial community who had been surgically mutilated. He also stated that there would be nothing to reconstruct me with because there was nothing FDA approved for that type of reconstruction and I would have to stay the way following the surgery until some point in the future when something came on the market.
So what is Chang to do, when he started this project with Webby there was nothing wrong with him, he was a healthy adult male, worked as a journeyman pipefitter and was as strong as an ox. By now I was 135 pounds and had lived on a liquid diet for three years, and was basically starving to death. I can tell you Webby didn't buy it, but she couldn't stop me from having life saving surgery either, it was a real dilemma, a cross-roads if you will in our relationship and our work. If you remember that chapter "Venturing into the Unknown of Usenet" there was a benefit we had not seen yet, and an 'unknown' that we had not considered fully, there was a reg here in those days by the name of Dr. Giuseppe Stradaioli and he had been trying to communicate to this group about a device he used call the A.G.E.LK. It was a trying time, as many of you will remember. Jim Boyd was meeting fierce opposition in those days for a device he was calling the NTI-TSS, and poor Giuseppe received less than a warm welcome, but he continued to share his ideas and methods, just as Jim did. We (Webby & Chang) had developed a special relationship with Giuseppe and believed in the good he was doing in Italy and we also believed in Jim Boyd and what he was doing. They both recognized long before that 'book' was ever published that there was an out of control iatroepidmic occuring in their field of healthcare and they both agreed with Webby & Chang and wanted to do something about it in their own unique approach to treating people with disorders and disease affecting the tm system. I think it can be easily said that Jim Boyd has made a major impact on the now identified tmj iatroepidemic affecting the USA patient population and almost all of you are to be congratulated for embracing the NTI and for allowing your suffering patients to benefit from what was previously called snake oil and any number of other things.
So (i know this is long) Webby tells Chang he needs to write Giuseppe and tell him the latest findings from the surgeon to see what he and Professor Luksich might have to say (Dr. Luksich is a professor of Maxillofacial Surgery in Bologna Italy and developed the A.G.E.LK) about my condition. Its no small task to communicate with him, his language is Italian, mine English and an interpeter is required. His response some few hours later was "My dear Bruce do nothing because I will arrive in San Diego in three days to prepare your case for A.G.E.LK". You cannot imagine what Bruce Chang (Tim) was feeling (yes Giuseppe knew my real name) was it possible that I could be helped? You may be wondering why not an NTI? As much as I am 100% NTI, it is not for every case, and my case was not the norm, yes I had met with Jim, afterall we were close friends, but NTI was not for me. Jim was very aware of my case and had followed it closely, but i was in the realm of surgeons, and its a complicated arena to find yourself in.
Needless to say it was arranged for Giuseppe and his translator to stay with Webby at her place, and arrive they did. We spent a week hearing lectures every day from Giuseppe, followed by Ragu in the kitchen at noon, and then more lectures. He gave us the complete history of the device and freely shared all his knowledge with us. We made arrangements to use the clinic of Professor Terry Tanaka and my device was manufactured there and placed into service 7 years ago.
So i wore the device, and followed the regimen for one year, and when I began I had less than 5mm of VO without pain. Today I have 45mm of opening without any pain, any residual complications, and no hole in my brain. And I don't know about the rest of you, although you must surely be wondering what happened to all that disease, disease so bad of the tmj that the prognosis was death without surgical intervention, well all I can say is sometimes things are not as they seem. What matters is the A.G.E.LK gave me my life back, a life I was surely to lose had I gone with any of the surgical options. I have not needed any care for anything tmj related for six years now and I am back to what I was, less a few scars I picked up along the way.
In closing let me say this, Webby had a story to tell, and Chang was here to help her tell her story, not his. That is why my story does not appear within those pages. But all along while all of that work was going on Chang too was silently suffering as a victim of the iatroepidemic. I was proud to be able to do that for her, in fact there is nothing i wouldn't do for her. She had suffered terribly and I wanted to see her tell her story, not mine. Would I do it again with her tomorrow? You bet I would.
Take a look around my friends where we are today and where we were just a few years ago. NTI is used by almost every one of you, something that was gawked at and belittled, because it challenged the status quo. Think of how much impact that little piece of plastic has had on the tmj iatroepidemic population. And every one of you has made a difference on what the numbers could have been had you rejected it. Are Jim and Giuseppe on the same page, oh yeah, the only difference between the two devices is how they are made, not what they accomplish. Where is my device today? Sitting on a shelf in Jim's lab mounted on casts of my teeth because he asked me for it and I gave it to him. I no longer need it and I honestly think it inspires Jim.
Who would have known when we "Ventured into the Unknown of Usenet" all of this would happen? We certainly didn't, but its an amazing story, with amazing people, that have done amazing things. It was never about Webby & Chang, it was about finding a way to shed some light on a tragedy that we knew could be prevented if people would just hear us out. So my hat is off to all of you who tolerated us during those years and for seeing the need to do something different for your patients than you had done before. Thank you for making a difference in the countless numbers of lives you have impacted because you thought outside the box. Thank you!
Merry Christmas, Peace and Blessings,
Bruce Chang
pellmellwillynilly@hotmail.com - 24 Dec 2005 18:43 GMT Thanks for sharing more of your story than I've seen before, Bruce. This is good, direct communication which will help anybody who reads it.
Tim Dixon - 24 Dec 2005 21:03 GMT > Thanks for sharing more of your story than I've seen before, Bruce. > This is good, direct communication which will help anybody who reads it. I am not so sure how it will help anyone, as the story is more complicated than a few short paragraphs can ever tell, but I will take your comment in the spirit it was given. My point was to shed some light on the good things that have come from a lot of dedicated people in this group.
Not everyone is going to escape the tmj iatroepidemic because it is still very much alive and thriving, but because of dedicated professionals on this group who were willing to look at things differently, many, many people, have been spared an outcome that would not be favorable otherwise.
Its not by chance that any of this happened, what matters is what is done with what is learned.
pellmellwillynilly@hotmail.com - 24 Dec 2005 22:10 GMT Well, I appreciated the additional specifics about Boyd and Stradaioli (whose name is still difficult for me to spell and even more difficult to type). But the information I think will be most helpful from your recent explanation of your situation is that about your doctors' evaluations of your medical situation. Those afford more proof than ever that patients need to be VERY careful in choosing the direction we choose for our treatment.
That moral probably applies to any medical situation, but the jaw joints seem especially prone to frightening and terrible outcomes. I think it's important for readers to know what those outcomes may be. It is also good for people to see that the outcome can be 100% healing. The NTI certainly hasn't done that for me. Although I am far less prone to bouts of TMJ pain and dysfunction than before the NTI, I still have periods where my jaw requires a soft or even liquid diet, accompanied by moist heat applied with a rice sock.
Tim Dixon - 25 Dec 2005 17:14 GMT > Well, I appreciated the additional specifics about Boyd and Stradaioli > (whose name is still difficult for me to spell and even more difficult [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ever that patients need to be VERY careful in choosing the direction we > choose for our treatment. Who say's their evaluations were wrong? You? I certainly didn't.
pellmellwillynilly@hotmail.com - 25 Dec 2005 20:53 GMT > > Well, I appreciated the additional specifics about Boyd and Stradaioli > > (whose name is still difficult for me to spell and even more difficult [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Who say's their evaluations were wrong? You? I certainly didn't. If you did say it, you'd argue that you hadn't. Your point in this newsgroup is bullying. I'll return to my statement about teaching a pig to sing... and stop pretending that this is a discussion.
Ignore the trolls....
Tim Dixon - 26 Dec 2005 00:17 GMT >> > Well, I appreciated the additional specifics about Boyd and Stradaioli >> > (whose name is still difficult for me to spell and even more difficult [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Ignore the trolls.... Correcto Mundo I guess.
The Webby - 26 Dec 2005 15:30 GMT > > > Well, I appreciated the additional specifics about Boyd and Stradaioli > > > (whose name is still difficult for me to spell and even more difficult [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Ignore the trolls.... The point is that to a carpenter with a hammer, everything is a nail.
Webby
Whamatus_B - 31 Dec 2005 01:51 GMT >> > > Well, I appreciated the additional specifics about Boyd and Stradaioli >> > > (whose name is still difficult for me to spell and even more difficult [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Webby Think it's: "To a *man* with a hammer, everything is a nail."
To that I would add: "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t", and the more familiar, "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"
-- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
The Webby - 31 Dec 2005 02:01 GMT > >> > > Well, I appreciated the additional specifics about Boyd and Stradaioli > >> > > (whose name is still difficult for me to spell and even more difficult [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com So... where exactly does all that information leave me????
Webby ;-)
JanD - 31 Dec 2005 03:32 GMT Anybody who would reply to SCUM like W_B is already LEFT out.
>> >> > > Well, I appreciated the additional specifics about Boyd and >> >> > > Stradaioli [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Webby ;-) Robert Morien - 31 Dec 2005 09:29 GMT > SCUM re: Jan loves Tim Dixon Thread Hijacking in progress
Wham_B - 01 Jan 2006 20:04 GMT >> >The point is that to a carpenter with a hammer, everything is a nail. >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> and the more familiar, >> "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"
>> -- >> Whamatus
>So... where exactly does all that information leave me???? > >Webby ;-) On your back, moaning with pleasure ?
Just a guess.
8^]]
-- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Stovepipe - 04 Jan 2006 05:41 GMT > >The point is that to a carpenter with a hammer, everything is a nail. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and the more familiar, > "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" If French we say that you can't make fine stemware outta ol' crushed coke bottles...
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Dartos - 26 Dec 2005 17:03 GMT One thing I've learned over the years is that '100% healing' is often an unrealistic goal. 'Improvement' is a good thing!
50% ain't bad 75% is pretty damn good 90% is awesome
Unrealistic expectations can overshadow reasonable success.
JME, Dartos
It
> is also good for people to see that the outcome can be 100% healing. > The NTI certainly hasn't done that for me. Although I am far less prone > to bouts of TMJ pain and dysfunction than before the NTI, I still have > periods where my jaw requires a soft or even liquid diet, accompanied > by moist heat applied with a rice sock. The Webby - 26 Dec 2005 16:53 GMT > >> (STILL HAS TH SAME CONTROL PROBLEM!) > >> [quoted text clipped - 165 lines] > > Bruce Chang It is a complicated life we live ... every single one of us.
Webby
JanD - 24 Dec 2005 19:43 GMT >> (STILL HAS TH SAME CONTROL PROBLEM!) >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > SP Date: 1999/08/15
From: rp3...@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Chang)
What reasons could there be to divide and conquer the doctor/public relationship of this newsgroup? Especially in matters concerning the temporomandibular joint.
Any guesses?
Tim Dixon, who posts under the name "Bruce Chang," blithered the following insanity in message <37b70f19.15773...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> What reasons could there be to divide and conquer the > doctor/public relationship of this newsgroup? It must be because all of the world's governments and corporations are really pursuing a single, hidden goal: to silence Tim Dixon and his sister. The whole world, except Tim and Sabra, is in on the Conspiracy. Can't you tell this by the way people look at you in the street? And people claim to just happen by smd, but come on, who are they kidding? They're all operatives for the Conspiracy. Need proof of this? Well, they disagree with you, and think you're a nut. What more proof could one possibly need? That there is a Conspiracy is obvious. The only reason you and sister have lasted as long as you have is that you hide out in really obscure corners of the Internet -- places like AOL and AT&T, which almost nobody has ever heard of.
And what's the final proof of the existence of the Conspiracy? That when you come to this NG and obnoxiously rant and rave for four or five years, people ask you to shut up. What more proof could there be that "they" are trying to silence you?
(P.S., Good move hiding out on AT&T, by the way. What an outlaw ISP! They'll never find you there!)
On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:19:25 -0400, "Eaton T. Fores, Zugumbas fag
boyfriend" <fug...@yeah.right.sure> wrote:
More dribble from the brain of a junkie. How's that leg doing doper
Tim Dixon - 24 Dec 2005 19:45 GMT "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message news:Dxhrf.j652307$_o.162371@attbi_s71...
you are sick Jan Drew, sick, and tired, and worthless
Robert Morien - 25 Dec 2005 01:15 GMT Re: Jan love Tim Dixon Thread Hijacking in progress
> "JanD" <JanD@insightbb.com> wrote in message > news:Dxhrf.j652307$_o.162371@attbi_s71... > > you are sick Jan Drew, sick, and tired, and worthless Robert Morien - 25 Dec 2005 01:15 GMT Re: Jan love Tim Dixon Thread Hijacking in progress
> More dribble from the brain of a junkie. How's that leg doing doper Tim Dixon - 25 Dec 2005 17:15 GMT you really are sick jan drew.
Robert Morien - 26 Dec 2005 04:46 GMT re: Jan loves Tim Dixon Thread Hijacking in progress
> you really are sick jan drew.
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