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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / December 2005Using teeth from corpses ???
There are so many dead people every day with teeth which are still in perfect condition. Why don't we remove the teeth from corpses and sell them to people who don't have teeth anymore ??? > There are so many dead people every day with teeth which are still in > perfect condition. > > Why don't we remove the teeth from corpses and sell them to people who > don't have teeth anymore ??? Because it is a bad idea. -Sue >> There are so many dead people every day with teeth which are still in >> perfect condition. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -Sue It's the whole antigen/antibody thing again, you know like any organ transplant, the body will reject the donor with out powerful drugs, In the end dental implants, will be cheaper and easier. Dr. Braces > >> There are so many dead people every day with teeth which are still in > >> perfect condition. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dr. Braces Dr Braces, Thanks. That is a much more diplomatic answer than mine. It is a nice idea, but not practical. Implants vs Cadaver teeth are: -Safer: As you mentioned host vs graft and graft vs host rejection -More efficacious: a custom-made fit is more functional as far as bite relations go (IMO) than trying to fit someone else's teeth into an individual's jaw. How many of us have the same jaw dimensions? -And possibly even more aestheically appealing than some dead person's old teeth, IMO. *************************************************************************************** BTW, There was someone on another forum that asked whether it is possible to safely whiten (or bleach) teeth while wearing braces. There were no dentists around to answer his question. Do you have any comments? I will not paste your comments over there unless you permit me to do so. And FYI the link is: http://www.dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2979 Thank you, -Sue (nondentist) (to the forum) PS My intentions are not to start a flame war, try to "look" important, or to solicit SMDers to join another forum. I am just trying to get an answer to someone's question (just in case this person is real). PSS I am not sending this person over here because I do not know whether this person is considered litter here. I do not want to be held repsonsible for anyone coming over here and getting flamebroiled. If this post is not acceptable, please just tell me why (nicely) instead of having a spasm. I am not cutting and pasting.... so in my extimation this should be ok. Thanks for your understanding. CROSS POSTING AGAIN. >> >> There are so many dead people every day with teeth which are still in >> >> perfect condition. [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Thanks for your understanding. > CROSS POSTING AGAIN. > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > > > Thanks for your understanding. Tim, Come on. I have not cross-posted. I paraphrased this person's question in my own words, as Webby asked me to do. Isn't it more honest to say this question comes from someone else... not me? I could have just pretended that I wore braces and asked the question.... but why should I lie? I am also curious myself. I would think that bleaching should not be done while wearing braces... as this might cause some unexpected results when the braces are removed... but I really do not know. I would love to hear the answer. -Sue > > CROSS POSTING AGAIN. [cut] > Tim, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -Sue Sue, at the top of your page where the newsgroup and subject line appear, you will see which groups are involved in the post. In order not to cross-post inadvertently, you need to remove all groups except this one otherwise it will go out the same way it came in. It's an easy oversight even when you understand this. Hopefully you can see the info now. You should only see sci.med.dentistry after the word "Newsgroups:" Webby > > > CROSS POSTING AGAIN. > [cut] [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Webby Webby, I do not know who or what is.vedur is (as noted in the groups listed on my earlier post). I don't know how that got there. I am replying to your post and I do not see any other group but sci.med.dentistry listed. If this gets cross-posted then I am not sure how it is happening. -Sue > > > > CROSS POSTING AGAIN. > > [cut] [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > -Sue It got here with the very first post. Here is a copy of the header information: Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-f or-mail From: "Gerard Mindstep" <piano_ne...@yahoo.fr> Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry,is.vedur Subject: Using teeth from corpses ??? Date: 19 Dec 2005 00:36:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1134981401.490006.143970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.100.95.238 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1134981406 5431 127.0.0.1 (19 Dec 2005 08:36:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:36:46 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: ERROR ! ERROR ! ERROR !,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=222.100.95.238; posting-account=-fMO7g0AAAAdN7xNAcRqRhQUPtBytI12 Now you know to just take a look at the distribution of any given post. Eliminate the groups other than the one you're reading and you have contained the spread, so to speak. Webby [cut] > -Sue Also, you can do an author profile (at Google Groups) on the person who started this thread. You may decide that the address owner is not a poster you wish to reply to. You can perform an author profile search on anyone, for that matter. Webby In article <tmjiatroepidemic-2DBEC6.11203220122005@news-lb-02.socal.rr.com>, > [cut] > > -Sue [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Webby P.S. You may not get any results or complete results for all authors though. Webby > In article > <tmjiatroepidemic-2DBEC6.11203220122005@news-lb-02.socal.rr.com>, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Webby Webby, Thanks for your patience and for the user information. I will catch on eventually. (I hope) Sue I just checked out is.dur. Now THAT is a very weird usenet group. Nothing here can compare to the posts over there.... not even the flames thrown back and forth ..... at and coming from our local mercury gal. -Sue > I just checked out is.dur. Now THAT is a very weird usenet group. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -Sue I think you meant to type is.vedur ... When "we" show up "posting" (intentionally or unintentionally) to that sort of newsgroup, it leaves the intention up to the imagination of the reader. It's all to easy to find yourself in places you didn't intend to be ... Word to the wise, watch for oncoming traffic if you're going to step into the street. Failure to look both ways could be hazardous to your image. Webby >> In article >> <tmjiatroepidemic-2DBEC6.11203220122005@news-lb-02.socal.rr.com>, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Sue No need for me to say anything as Webby pointed it out to you. Just take a look at what your doing before you do it, we say "look/lurk before you leap/post". >>> In article >>> <tmjiatroepidemic-2DBEC6.11203220122005@news-lb-02.socal.rr.com>, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > a look at what your doing before you do it, we say "look/lurk before you > leap/post". I meant to add that you are obviously catching on, but don't let idle strangers lead you down the wrong path by their bad habits KWIM? > >>> In article > >>> <tmjiatroepidemic-2DBEC6.11203220122005@news-lb-02.socal.rr.com>, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > I meant to add that you are obviously catching on, but don't let idle > strangers lead you down the wrong path by their bad habits KWIM? Thank you for the advice Tim. What is KWIM? -Sue "keep whamatus in mind"? ...isn't he the "school marm" here? (I think that is what joel said) >> >>> In article >> >>> <tmjiatroepidemic-2DBEC6.11203220122005@news-lb-02.socal.rr.com>, [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > What is KWIM? know what i mean > -Sue "keep whamatus in mind"? ...isn't he the "school marm" here? (I > think that is what joel said) >I meant to add that you are obviously catching on, but don't let idle >strangers lead you down the wrong path by their bad habits KWIM? Thought it was spelled QUIM. -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >I meant to add that you are obviously catching on, but don't let idle > >strangers lead you down the wrong path by their bad habits KWIM? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I think that is the French spelling. It is pronounced KIM ******************************************************************* After thought: Or else this is something derogatory ... in your secret language. W_B, Do you believe that I have a genuine interest in dentistry? I know that may be difficult to fathom, but everything I have said is true. Some think I am making it up. I can get my posts to www.dentistry.com and paste them here if you do not believe me. I made them in 2003. The dentists there were helpful, kind and gave advice online for FREE. I thought that was a great service. I gave back by donating my time to the MDA. Since then I have held an interest in dentistry (from a public health education standpoint). Do I need to keep trying to prove that I am not a troll here? Thanks, -Sue I will be much more civil once I know that people are not trying to scrutinize me. I will also post less as I will no longer feel a need to "prove" that I am not here to annoy or to create chaos. ... but Maybe I am speaking to air... this may be a killed file. >> >I meant to add that you are obviously catching on, but don't let idle >> >strangers lead you down the wrong path by their bad habits KWIM? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >W_B, Do you believe that I have a genuine interest in dentistry? No I don't. > I >know that may be difficult to fathom, but everything I have said is >true. Don't believe you. >Some think I am making it up. Yep, that's what we think. >I can get my posts to www.dimwit.com and paste them here if you do >not believe me. Please don't add your clutter to SMD. >I made them in 2003. The dentists there were helpful, kind and gave >advice online for FREE. > >I thought that was a great service. I gave back by donating my time to >the MDA. Since then I have held an interest in dentistry (from a >public health education standpoint). What's Muscular Distrophy have to do with teeth ? >Do I need to keep trying to prove that I am not a troll here? Nope, you've already proven that you are a troll. >Thanks, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >"prove" that I am not here to annoy or to create chaos. ... but Maybe I >am speaking to air... this may be a killed file. -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >> >I meant to add that you are obviously catching on, but don't let idle > >> >strangers lead you down the wrong path by their bad habits KWIM? [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Whatever. MDA = Minnesota Dental Association -Sue >Whatever. Clever response. >MDA = Minnesota Dental Association > >-Sue Again exhibiting 'saviour syndrome'... Get a life. -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com sorry, I don't usually follow the newsgroups, as this is a late reply, You CAN, bleach teeth under braces, but the results vary, people are afraid of when they get them off there will be a dark area, this is ture to some extent. It all depends on what kind of bleach, how long of application, what activation methods, and what kind of resin and methods the braces were applied to the teeth. For me to suggest it, I ussually wait until after I take off the braces, but I have done it during treatment. it's harder becuaes it may interfer with treatment, but I wouldn't recommend the fast in office tx for a banded patient,. The patient must have exceptional perfect oral heath also, I don't want to see any demineralization or white spot lesions. Dr. Braces > BTW, There was someone on another forum that asked whether it is > possible to safely whiten (or bleach) teeth while wearing braces. > > There were no dentists around to answer his question. Do you have any > comments? I will not paste your comments over there unless you permit > me to do so. Dr. Braces, please ignore the new resident troll. She harvests what you say here, re-phrases it, and posts it somewhere else. Who knows what the wording will be by the time it gets to the other location. OR, she may quote you and paste part of what you say into another discussion completely out of context. Better to leave her to her sheep.  Signature/ Amatus / > sorry, I don't usually follow the newsgroups, as this is a late reply, > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> comments? I will not paste your comments over there unless you permit >> me to do so. > sorry, I don't usually follow the newsgroups, as this is a late reply, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > comments? I will not paste your comments over there unless you permit > > me to do so. Dr Braces, This is helpful information for those who wear braces. Thank you for sharing your expertise. -Sue It is not only a bad idea, it is an impossible idea. If it were possible to use teeth from dead people, crime would escalate. One would kill to get a set of teeth. But common sense says that there is no way to integrate them into one's bone structure. I think I read the Egyptians tried it way back. Gail > >> There are so many dead people every day with teeth which are still in > >> perfect condition. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dr. Braces <kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > It is not only a bad idea, it is an impossible idea. If it were possible > to use teeth from dead people, crime would escalate. One would kill to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Dr. Braces Gail, I agree that it is a bad idea, but I think we have the technology in place today to do this if we really wanted to do this. We could conceivably place a doubled-threaded titantium screw (or peg), in the cadaver teeth anchoring this with adhesive. Then these cadaver teeth may be placed in the patient in the same manner that today's prosthetic implants are placed. (We have come a long way since the Egyptian days). Respectfully, -Sue > <kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > It is not only a bad idea, it is an impossible idea. If it were possible [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Respectfully, > -Sue Shoot I accidentally cross-posted again. Sorry. -Sue But what will give the teeth vitality. Come to think of it, why does a pulled tooth not kept in any liquid to keep it recognizable, deteriorate very quickly and can be broken like a straw almost, yet root canalled teeth can remain as in life almost. Never gave that any thought. The root canalled tooth is still connected to the nerves and gets it circulation that way? Gail > Gail, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Respectfully, > -Sue > But what will give the teeth vitality. Come to think of it, why does a > pulled tooth not kept in any liquid to keep it recognizable, deteriorate [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Respectfully, > > -Sue Excellent point Gail! Why am I even entertaining the possibility? These teeth would become brittle and weak, just like root canaled teeth. Thanks for the slap upside the head. :-) Sue
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