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I Totally Avoided Gum Disease...

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Art Konrad - 17 Dec 2005 04:47 GMT
Hi, I am new here, but I see a lot of discussion searching for a
solution to gum disease.  Thought you would like to hear about my
solution.  Here is how I wrote about it recently to my friends and
relatives:

I have had one tremendous health success recently:  my Periodontist who
did gum surgery on me over 15 years ago, told me that I should schedule
surgery again - I had some deep pockets in the 6's and 7's.   I
told him I wanted to work on it for a while.  I remembered how painful
and expensive that surgery was, so I was highly motivated to find a
better way.  I went on the internet and finally found a product that I
can swear by.

I went back to my regular dentist after using it for three months and
he said all my numbers were improved, no more 7's.  After 3 more
months I went back to my Periodontist and he was totally amazed.
Besides less deep pockets, he noticed dramatically healthier gums -
and amazingly, no bleeding at all.  There is always bleeding in normal
patients.  The whole cleaning procedure involved much less pain for me
- and he kept remarking how much more relaxed I was.  Periodontist
clean much deeper than dentists do, but despite that I felt very little
sensitivity.  He said if I can keep this up, I should have no surgery
in my future at all.

When I told him I searched on the internet until I found a product that
made sense to me,  he didn't want to believe me.  He said it must
have been all my hard work, but I knew I didn't work hard at all.  I
just worked smarter with an intelligent natural product that really
works on even my most serious gum disease.  This product, OraMD, has my
highest recommendation.

Even before trying it, I knew I had the right solution when I read the
scientific logic behind it.  Here below is what someone in the company
sent me that convinced me to try it.   Here is the link to the product:
http://www.oramd.com?kbid=1705

If you try it please send me an email about your progress:
artkonrad@gmail.com,

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Hi Art

Here is the short version of why over 99% of all oral care problems
occur: "22 common bacteria".

There it is. Now you know. It's not rocket science and in fact is has
been known for a long, long time. So why is it so hard to get this
information and why won't the dentists just fess up and tell you? I
will leave that for another discussion but you probably know
the an$wer.

Here is the full story and how easy it is to over come this problem.

These common 22 bacteria are produced by (humans) 24 hours a day. This
is a naturally occurring event and you can not stop it.

Your saliva is your body's natural defense to these bacteria because
your saliva is extremely rich in oxygen and certain enzymes that are
the natural enemies to the 22 bacteria.

We get many calls a day from customers thinking that age, stomach
issues and other things are the cause of the problem. It is not. It is
about 22 bacteria and rarely anything else.

The problem is not caused by most of the popular toothpastes and
mouthwashes but it is greatly exacerbated by them. Remember, the cause
is 22 known bacteria.

Now, the real problem is that prolonged exposure to almost all
toothpastes and mouthwashes have two very big problems for our bodies.
Firstly, they dry out the mouth and a dry mouth allows these problem
bacteria to grow and multiply and a MUCH faster rate. That is why
people who sleep with their mouths open have a much higher rate of bad
breath and other oral health problems. A dry mouth is bad news.

A chemical in toothpaste (sodium lauryl sulfate) which almost all major
brands of toothpaste have in them, is a detergent and over time and
prolonged use...drys out the mouth and can affect the mucosal lining of
your mouth. You can get the full scientific
details in our report "The Hidden Dangers in Toothpaste" at our
website: http://www.oramd.com?kbid=1705

The same thing for most mouthwashes. Alcohol and some of the other
chemicals used to kill bacteria can also dry out the mouth and can
damage the lining of your mouth.

Over time, not only do you produce less saliva which is your natural
defense to these bacteria, the oxygen and enzyme levels are greatly
decrease thereby allow the bacteria to
get a leg up on you.

Slowly but surely the bacteria begins to win the game. It starts with
bad breath which is caused by the maturing of these bacteria and they
give of what is called Volatile
Sulfur Compounds (VSC gases) or bad breath to you and me.

>From there, the bacteria quickly mature further in to toxins. It is
these toxins that actually "eat the skin cells of the gums". Yes, your
pockets or receding gums is caused by the bacteria turning into toxins
and actually eating the soft tissue of your gums leading to bleeding,
soreness, tenderness, gingivitis, and in a short period of
time...pockets, gum recession and periodontal disease (gum disease).

Enter OraMD. OraMD is completely natural, 100% pure, essential oils of
peppermint, spearmint and almond. There are hundreds of varieties of
these oils from all over the world and they all have different
properties. With this scientific formulation we have matched certain
properties of these oils from different parts of the world to get this
synegistic formula that is designed to eliminate bacteria and pathogens
and give relief from the causes of gum disease, gingivitis, bleeding
gums and bad breath.

How Does OraMD Work?

Each drop of OraMD helps clean your teeth, gums and mouth of bacteria
causing germs, plaque build up and bad breath by instantly killing the
problem causing bacteria on contact... And because OraMD is 100% pure,
it deeply penetrates the nooks, crannies, crevices and pockets of your
teeth and gums and eliminates the problem bacteria on contact.

The Secret to Success

Now that is just the beginning and here is the real secret to success.
Since OraMD is an oil, it does not wash away like the other products.
It lingers in those nooks and crannies and pockets and does not allow
the bacteria to re-enter those areas so your body can begin to heal all
on it's own as it does naturally.

Will my pockets close up and by gums grow back?

You know how you get a paper cut on your finger; and you put a bandaid
on it to protect it and keep it clean so the skin will grow back and
heal the wound? It is the same with your mouth. If you kill the
bacteria and give it a clean environment, you body will usually heal
itself. Your body knows it is wounded and is actively generating new
skin cells to replace the ones damaged by the toxins.  However, the
bacteria is eating more skin tissue than your body is producing and you
are losing the battle.

Immediately after using OraMD you will have stopped the progression and
since OraMD is a natural enemy to all 22 of the problem bacteria, your
body will be free to heal itself.

Now you have the full and complete story. It is about 22 known
bacteria. A full understanding of the cause allows you to make informed
decisions about how to take care of your body so that your body takes
care of itself.

Wishing you the best of health Art
Joel - 17 Dec 2005 13:33 GMT
Oh Art,

Thank you so much. I told my dentist and he loves your product.
Could you please e-mail me the name of your periodontist because
I want to thank him too.

Your friend,

Joely

**

> Hi, I am new here, but I see a lot of discussion searching for a
> solution to gum disease.  Thought you would like to hear about my
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>
> Wishing you the best of health Art
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 17 Dec 2005 14:53 GMT
Does this mean the oil must remain on the teeth always to work properly.
How is it applied.     Is flossing still necessary.      Joel, is your
related post one of your serious moments.

Gail
Joel - 17 Dec 2005 22:16 GMT
Of course not!

I did have a serious moment or two ... but it was back in the '60s
......
Art Konrad - 18 Dec 2005 00:46 GMT
Hi kureforcro...  The oil remains naturally on the teeth for a while.
It feels great.  You will enjoy the clean feeling.  I first brush
and/or floss as usual but then use the oil treatment.  After about 3
days of use you finally feel what it is like to have a disease free
mouth and you can actually tell when your teeth and gums need attention
again.

Some "natural" toothpastes have a lingering oil sensation, such as
any using Anise oil.  Toms of Maine had one called "Gingivitis
Toothpaste", but alas, they recently discontinued it.  Not enough
demand for it.  It's a shame, it was a nice addition to my routine
and I would have highly recommended that as well.  I found another
Anise oil toothpaste by Nature's Gate.  It is ok, but not as good in
my opinion.  Anyway, the idea of oil is only part of answer.  The other
part is getting the right oils that eliminate bacteria.

I don't know why this problem is so hard to solve - why people
resort to expensive and painful surgery when what we are talking about
is essentially a bacteria problem.  We get rid of bacteria problems all
the time in other parts of our body.  Yet when it comes to the mouth,
we seem to loose our common sense and rely on what I have to call
barbaric methods.

Perhaps one of the reasons this problem seems so hard to solve is this:
In a way the gums are like an open wound in which you wash food
several times a day and naturally bacteria grows there.   Without some
positive anti-bacterial helpers that you use daily, why would you
expect your gums to remain healthy?

I am aware of other "helpers" - products that can be used in your
arsenal against gum disease.  Are there any other serious people here
that would like to hear about these?

Is this a group serious about solving problems?
Whamatus - 18 Dec 2005 01:10 GMT
>Is this a group serious about solving problems?

This group is serious about reporting spammers.
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Whamatus
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Whamatus - 18 Dec 2005 01:17 GMT
> In a way the gums are like an open wound in which you wash food
>several times a day and naturally bacteria grows there.

Much like that open wound under your nose ?

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Whamatus
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 18 Dec 2005 01:28 GMT
Art Konrad,

If you are puzzled as to why your message was rejected, it is because
soliciting anything for sale here is considered spam in all cases..    It is
mostly a forum for free advice to people needing dental advice.   You may
be better accepted on other newsgroups.    sci.med.
   misc.health.alternative.    etc.     Your product seems to have merit,
and I wish you luck.
Gail Michael

> Hi kureforcro...  The oil remains naturally on the teeth for a while.
> It feels great.  You will enjoy the clean feeling.  I first brush
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>
> Is this a group serious about solving problems?
Art Konrad - 27 Dec 2005 06:45 GMT
Thank you Gail Michael for this interesting information.  So what we
have here are stanch defenders of the expensive and painful way of
treating gum disease and someone who successfully overcame it with a
few simple inexpensive oils is not welcomed here?  Sad!

I was intrigued by your question about the idea of oil lingering on the
teeth.  I know it sounds a like a strange idea, so that is why I
answered about how herbal toothpastes were already using this approach
with pleasant tasting lingering oils like anise oil or the more mild
fennel oil.

However, there is much more to the story.  In fact I think dental (and
medical) researchers are missing tremendous opportunities by failing to
appreciate how valuable certain oils can be for healing.  This point
was brought home in the last few years to the National Institutes of
Health, which is the primary Federal agency for funding medical
research:

An Ayurvedic procedure you may have heard of called Pancha Karma,
involves several oil based treatments applied internally and
externally.  In a remarkable demonstration Ayurvedic Technicians were
able to remove 50% of the PCB's and DDT's in the bodies of all
their test subjects.  This got the attention of NIH because no one has
demonstrated that before.  Of course modern medicine knows how to use
chelation therapy to remove heavy metals, but it doesn't work on PCB
or DDT.   (We all have DDT in our systems now because of NAFTA -
we're all eating much more Mexican grown fruits and vegetables
without even knowing it, and their laws allow use of DDT.)

The abstract on this research can be seen here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1
2233802&dopt=Abstract


I have the 12 page report in PDF and can send it or perhaps post it
here if you are interested.  Contact me by email if you would like me
to send it to you.

Basically, our bodies store toxins in the lipids - fatty tissues.  It
seems that an oil based removal system works best for cleansing an oil
based storage system.   This is just one of the useful features of some
oils, properly applied.

Now this brings me to another point I was actually hoping to discuss
with dental and medical professionals:  in my experience there are
usually two aspects to healing.  The first is fighting the pathogens
and the other is providing a soothing and nourishing environment for
healing and re-growth.  I discovered this principle years ago when I
was dealing with a sore throat and I had two recommended remedies:  a
Naturalpath said gargle with Hydrogen Peroxide mixed 50/50 with water;
Ayurveda said gargle with oil, sesame oil preferred.

I found that the Hydrogen Peroxide left my throat so dry, scratchy and
irritated.  It was so highly touted for its ability to kill germs, so I
"knew" it was good for me.  It just didn't feel good, in fact it
felt worst.  This of course would keep anyone from using the remedy as
often or as long as they should to be effective.   (I discovered later
that more extreme use of Hydrogen Peroxide develops a phenomena called
Harry Tongue, a basically harmless condition but nevertheless scary.  I
believe relying on Peroxide alone for any problem, including gum
disease, is not a good idea.)

I found my own solution to this problem when I turned to the sesame
oil: soothing and relaxing, leaving a kind of protective coating on
that previously dry and irritated area.  So my home remedy for sore
throats is to gargle with Hydrogen Peroxide followed a few minutes
later with a gargle of sesame oil or olive oil (olive considered very
good by Ayurveda, but second best).

Now with the oils used to fight gingivitis in OraMD and other similar
products, you have both properties built into each oil: germ fighting
and soothing, comforting and protecting.

There are other gum disease fighting products that use Eucalyptus oil
or Tea Tree oil or Oregano oil for their antibacterial qualities.
OraMD uses essential oils of certain types of Peppermint, Spearmint and
Almond.  I am sure that there are many other possibilities.  The key, I
believe, is to find the right combination that fights the pathogens and
yet sooths and protects.

I think the dental (and medical) professions may be missing the boat
here.  They could be developing numerous essential oil products that
comfortably solve not only gum disease but a host of other oral
problems like laryngitis and throat infections, bad breath, sinus
infections, canker sores.  I believe that a well designed product could
be shown to neutralize the bad affects of sugar in the mouth almost
instantly.  Any soothing product that fights pathogens will also be
seen as an aid to fighting colds and flu, since the main pathways for
those germs are the mouth and nose.  Anyone who has used essential oils
knows that they are powerful.  They are often viewed as nature's
first medicines.  They could become "new medicines" if designed in
the right combinations.

Well I hope this is a more satisfactory answer.  Is anyone here
interested in future discussion along these lines?
Steven Bornfeld - 18 Dec 2005 01:36 GMT
> Hi kureforcro...  The oil remains naturally on the teeth for a while.
> It feels great.  You will enjoy the clean feeling.  I first brush
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> resort to expensive and painful surgery when what we are talking about
> is essentially a bacteria problem.

    Essentially, if you are claiming a medical benefit, you will have to
show safety and effectiveness.  The FDA might be interested too.

Steve

  We get rid of bacteria problems all
> the time in other parts of our body.  Yet when it comes to the mouth,
> we seem to loose our common sense and rely on what I have to call
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Is this a group serious about solving problems?
Whamatus - 18 Dec 2005 03:47 GMT
>> I don't know why this problem is so hard to solve - why people
>> resort to expensive and painful surgery when what we are talking about
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Steve

Well, you know how those ganja-herb dudes are.
No regulation, no need to show efficacy, no quality
control, no need to show safety.

It's all about the dinero.

Sadly the FDA does not regulate 'supplements'.
They should.

Not to mention this dork doesn't have the first clue
about periodontal disease.

Q.
How does a mouthwash or toothpaste remove years
of concretions ?

A.
No ingredient that could would be safe to use.
IOW It can't.

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wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Steven Bornfeld - 18 Dec 2005 18:28 GMT
>>>I don't know why this problem is so hard to solve - why people
>>>resort to expensive and painful surgery when what we are talking about
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> No regulation, no need to show efficacy, no quality
> control, no need to show safety.

    Even the baldness remedies advertise that they aren't intended to
diagnose or treat any disease.  OTOH, this guy undermines any claim to
be a nutritional supplement by saying explicitly that periodontal
disease is a bacterial "condition", and that it is a substitute for
periodontal surgery.
    In my mind, that is a medical claim.

Steve

> It's all about the dinero.
>
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> Whamatus
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Whamatus - 18 Dec 2005 18:37 GMT
>>>    Essentially, if you are claiming a medical benefit, you will have to
>>>show safety and effectiveness.  The FDA might be interested too.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Steve

Agree but don't think that anything will come of it.

BTW I rarely do perio surgery myself.
IMO the only reason to to reflect a flap is to
visualize residual calculus that may be left after SC&RP.
If the pocket doesn't resolve then there is usually
calculus left on the root.
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Whamatus
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Whamatus - 17 Dec 2005 15:17 GMT
>Hi, I am new here, but I see a lot of discussion searching for a
>solution to gum disease.  Thought you would like to hear about my
>solution.

Hi Konrad,

Was so impressed with your story that I forwarded copies to:

abuse@godaddy.com
( oramd host )   
abuse@gmail.com   
groups-abuse@google.com
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Whamatus Bemoana
wubbabubbazG@RBAGE
at yahoo dot com
Vaughn - 17 Dec 2005 15:52 GMT
> Hi, I am new here,

    Hello yourself Art, welcome to the group!  Well, since you are here Art,
let's talk about spammers.  Art, I think that spammers are lower than pond scum.
What do you think about spammers Art?

Vaughn
 
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