I think Luigi is looking for some actual hands on surgery courses, not a
didactic course where he listens to a lecture and maybe works up a
case-presentation for discussion with the group. I don't know of anywhere
where they are going to let you practice the actual surgery to place the
implants outside of residency program. Many courses will let you observe
actual surgery. Some will let you bring in your own patient to do surgery
with the instructor after completion of the course. But, as far as
providing patients to practice on, I think you need to be registered in a
dental school or hospital for that.

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Roy Brown - 15 Dec 2005 06:32 GMT
There is an 8 weekend mini residency program held at the Nobel Biocare in
Toronto (actually just north in Markham). Part of that program includes
practicing placement in animal mandibles. I'm sure there are butchers in Italy
that could keep a mandible or two for Luigi to practice on.

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Lugi - 15 Dec 2005 12:09 GMT
>I think Luigi is looking for some actual hands on surgery courses, not a
>didactic course where he listens to a lecture and maybe works up a
>case-presentation for discussion with the group.
Exactly.
In Italy you can get un universitary Master in implantology
without never practice on a live man!
You cannot practice on a dead body, also: it is forbidden by the Law
(I went to Paris for a course like that).
A doctor can practice on patients only if is working in an hospital
with a working contract, not if he is attending a course of a school
dentistry.
I know Master are a different things in U.S., but I'm not looking for
that because I have a my practice and I cannot stay away for months.
I heard something about short course (about one week) on patients in
Cuba and I thought I could find similar course in the Third Word,
where poor people can agree to be a patient for to have an implant at
no cost.
Thanks you very much.
I apologize for my poor English.
Best regards,
Luigi
Amatus Cremona - 15 Dec 2005 12:35 GMT
Your English is fine. Better than my Italian, and I was born in Mazara del
Vallo.

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marchesini8 - 15 Dec 2005 13:25 GMT
siccome sei italiano ti rispondo nella nostra lingua.
prova a guardare nel sito della leone www.leone.it
Lugi - 15 Dec 2005 13:47 GMT
>siccome sei italiano ti rispondo nella nostra lingua.
>prova a guardare nel sito della leone www.leone.it
Ma sul paziente opera il relatore, mica il partecipante!
Ce ne sono a centinaia di corsi di questo tipo!
Ciao
Luigi
Amatus Cremona - 15 Dec 2005 14:31 GMT
Si, questo è allinear
I corsi insegnati sui pazienti in tensione sono difficili da trovare

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Lugi - 15 Dec 2005 18:55 GMT
>I corsi insegnati sui pazienti in tensione sono difficili da trovare
Esatto: sono difficili non impossibili.
Ad esempio la 3i ne organizza a Coimbra, in Portogallo, tramite il suo
distributore di Terni.
Amatus Cremona - 15 Dec 2005 20:48 GMT
Abbiamo un insegnante locale del implant che fa un certo insegnamento
paziente in tensione. Non ho idea dove una sia stata in Italia.
Perdoni tutta la povera grammatica, poichè il mio vocabolario è troppo
debole per conversare nell'italiano scritto senza usando la traduzione
elettronica.

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>>I corsi insegnati sui pazienti in tensione sono difficili da trovare
> Esatto: sono difficili non impossibili.
> Ad esempio la 3i ne organizza a Coimbra, in Portogallo, tramite il suo
> distributore di Terni.
Lugi - 16 Dec 2005 11:27 GMT
>Abbiamo un insegnante locale del implant che fa un certo insegnamento
>paziente in tensione.
Which is the brand of the implant? And where does that tutor work?
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> idea dove una sia stata in Italia.
Do you mean you don't know where I can find a similar stage in Italy?
If you have a contact of the organization I could to send un e-mail or
a fax for to ask about.
>Perdoni tutta la povera grammatica, poichè il mio vocabolario è troppo
>debole per conversare nell'italiano scritto senza usando la traduzione
>elettronica
I'll try your language.
Bye bye
Luigi