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>original Charter as presented by Alec Ellsworth, a dental student at the >time. >from Feb. 15, 1993 > >> sci.med.dentistry >> Discussion of dentally related topics >> (unmoderated) >> CHARTER: >> The main objective of sci.med.dentistry is to allow internet >> users (dentists, dental students, researchers, and patients) the >> opportunity to discuss Dentistry and any dental related issues. Included >> in this forum would be the issues of dental research, patient/dentist >> interaction, new technology in dentistry, infection control >> discussion/answers, legislation issues in dentistry, question >> and answers, medico-legal issues, and any other related dentistry >> discussion. > >original Charter as presented by Alec Ellsworth, a dental student at the > >time. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >> and answers, medico-legal issues, and any other related dentistry > >> discussion. Thank you Minnie. I think this is a wonderful charter. This is exactly the type of forum I seek. -Sue > >> CHARTER: > >> The main objective of sci.med.dentistry is to allow internet [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >> and answers, medico-legal issues, and any other related dentistry > >> discussion. > Thank you Minnie. I think this is a wonderful charter. This is > exactly the type of forum I seek. > -Sue Regardless what the "charter" says, your not going to do very well around here by posting materials from other groups into this group. I will say it again, this is sci.med.dentistry and there are those of us around here who wish to keep it that way. I think your just some strange dental groupie. >> Thank you Minnie. I think this is a wonderful charter. This is >> exactly the type of forum I seek. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >again, this is sci.med.dentistry and there are those of us around here who >wish to keep it that way. I think your just some strange dental groupie. A "pro-dentite" ? Well, I never..! -- Whamatus Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>> Thank you Minnie. I think this is a wonderful charter. This is >>> exactly the type of forum I seek. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Well, I never..! well you know... > > >original Charter as presented by Alec Ellsworth, a dental student at the > > >time. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Thank you Minnie. I think this is a wonderful charter. This is > exactly the type of forum I seek. A Charter is merely a guideline. What the group does within the guidelines of the Charter is up to the group. Over the years, there has been discussion about modifying the original charter but, as a group, they never felt the need to actually modify it. Like any community, the people who "live there" make it what it is. The people who just want to come and go like tourists, never invest themselves in the long term needs of the community. They come for personal pleasure only and leave without any obligations except to have hopefully put their trash into the proper receptacles along the way. If we make a mess in our community, we are obligated to clean up after ourselves. If someone else is making a mess of our community ... well ... the group takes it upon themselves to handle the problem because that is the only way things work around here. Litterbugs are not welcome here. If you think you are looked upon as a litterbug, you have some hard work ahead of you and you need a very good reason to go to all that trouble. Webby [cut] > > > >original Charter as presented by Alec Ellsworth, a dental student at the > > > >time. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > [cut] Who wrote the charter? Why would you change the charter? Sue > > > > >original Charter as presented by Alec Ellsworth, a dental student at > > > > >the [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Who wrote the charter? Why would you change the charter? > Sue "original Charter as presented by Alec Ellsworth, a dental student at the time." (from Feb. 15, 1993) Times have changed a great deal since Feb. 1993. That alone is good reason to consider modification of an original charter. You see, the charter says nothing about how those objectives would be accomplished with regards to the technology that makes it all possible. Some of us are very passionate about preserving usenet. Others, don't understand what the big deal is. Usenet is a reflection of humanity, Sue. "Living out here" puts a new twist on being a person of integrity. Usenet newsgroups belong to the public. We, the public, have the duty to act responsibly in our custodianship of a "place" that was built by human words, thoughts and actions. Webby > > > > > >original Charter as presented by Alec Ellsworth, a dental student at > > > > > >the [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Webby Webby, I am not sure what you mean by "preserving" usenet. I hope this does not sounds insulting but it seems to me like you mean: -How do we keep the regulars in and any new people out. Please explain. Thank you, Sue > > > > > > >original Charter as presented by Alec Ellsworth, a dental student > > > > > > >at [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > Sue Absolutely, I *do not mean* to keep the regulars in and any new people out. I hope you will see my newest post concerning this subject. New blood is the key to survival or "preserving" usenet. I am not insulted by the comment and question whatsoever. Webby > Webby, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Please explain. Actually it may be better to kick the regulars out and bring the new people in. That is at least how many retirement plans work and it seems to be effective! In article <tmjiatroepidemic-6348E5.13092209122005@news-lb-01.socal.rr.com>, [cut] > Some of us are very passionate about preserving usenet. Others, don't > understand what the big deal is. Usenet is a reflection of humanity, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Webby http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/ In Feb. 1993, *who* could have *imagined* the world we live in today? How would the web impact usenet? In 1994, I worked with a brilliant person to design and maintain a website for the public. I authored the material in English, my partner authored the HTML. Both of us put our heads together to develop a website like nothing anyone had every seen. I think we were successful. The most important element of success being that it was in the spirit intended by the inventor of the World Wide Web. It was a gift to the world. Today, "building a website" has lost all meaning that it had back then. My partner and I spent endless hours dedicated to a project that was like nothing we had ever thought possible. Launching was delayed for a few months for various reason until early 1995. At that point, putting up an image of planet earth was enough to not sleep at night over the excitement of such a thing. Nothing moved on a website, no music and everything was built by hand. By 1996, there were over 500 pages of material available on the website. At the same time, there was an ongoing effort to interface the web-project with Usenet. The times were painfully difficult and challenging at the same time. I would not want to have lived my life without this experience no matter the cost. Webby Tim Berners-Lee. Is this your partner? Did you and he ocnme up with the concept of usenet? That is pretty awesome. It must have been pretty exciting. In the same token, who is not a member of the public? Who cannot be a member of a usenet? For example, why woud I not be considered a member of a usenet if I am interested in the topic? Why is there so little patience on a usenet as compared to a real community. For example, just becuase someone misunderstood someone and thought they were joking, when they were actually being serious, .. why would that be cause to throw someone out of the community? Especially when "the community" boasts that they are comprised of intelligent and compassionate people? Thank you, Sue > Tim Berners-Lee. > > Is this your partner? Did you and he ocnme up with the concept of > usenet? Oh my ..... no and no respectively. > That is pretty awesome. It must have been pretty exciting. I'm at a loss for words here. I think I just earned an "F" for effort to communicate effectively. > In the same token, who is not a member of the public? Who cannot be a > member of a usenet? For example, why woud I not be considered a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thought they were joking, when they were actually being serious, .. why > would that be cause to throw someone out of the community? "...a real community"? > Especially when "the community" boasts that they are comprised of > intelligent and compassionate people? > > Thank you, > > Sue I give up and I don't give up often. Webby > > Tim Berners-Lee. > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Webby I am sorry. You spoke of yourself and an intelligent partner underneathe a link that opens up a bio of Tim Berners-Lee. Have a good weekend. -Sue > > > Tim Berners-Lee. > > > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > -Sue The invention of the World Wide Web changed the world. It also changed Usenet in new and different ways than it had been changing since 1969. This is what I wrote; so there's no confusion: http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/ In Feb. 1993, *who* could have *imagined* the world we live in today? How would the web impact usenet? In 1994, I worked with a brilliant person to design and maintain a website for the public. I authored the material in English, my partner authored the HTML. Both of us put our heads together to develop a website like nothing anyone had every seen. I think we were successful. The most important element of success being that it was in the spirit intended by the inventor of the World Wide Web. It was a gift to the world. Today, "building a website" has lost all meaning that it had back then. My partner and I spent endless hours dedicated to a project that was like nothing we had ever thought possible. Launching was delayed for a few months for various reason until early 1995. At that point, putting up an image of planet earth was enough to not sleep at night over the excitement of such a thing. Nothing moved on a website, no music and everything was built by hand. By 1996, there were over 500 pages of material available on the website. At the same time, there was an ongoing effort to interface the web-project with Usenet. The times were painfully difficult and challenging at the same time. I would not want to have lived my life without this experience no matter the cost. Webby ____________ Webby I don't think I've made such a boast. There are a handful of people on SMD who have been here for quite a while. As individuals we have learned and accepted each others basic online personalities. We respect each others knowledge and life experiences. There aren't very many rude, snappy comments or name calling. When someone comes in and starts posting like they own SMD, or generally just hate dentists in the first place, that doesn't do much for acceptance or respect from others. Most of us here are interested in talking about dentistry. We can clear up some areas of miscommunication, urge someone to get to a dental office, discuss techniques/materials, and just share experiences involved with dental practice. Kind of like a neighborhood bar where people hang out. Some stranger walks in and starts denegrating the place and some of the people in it, and the atmosphere isn't going to be too friendly. We aren't going to bash your teeth in and throw you out in the street, but we can sure turn up the juke box and get back to our game of darts. Dartos > Especially when "the community" boasts that they are comprised of > intelligent and compassionate people? > > Thank you, > > Sue > I don't think I've made such a boast. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > Sue Dartos, I went to Dentalcom one day after a vacation and saw a gateway to Scimed dentistry. I was pleasantly surpised and excited to see new posts. I could not have been any nicer to you folks. Then some of you guys started posting on a discussion that I was having with Dcom people and started trashing us and our conversation. SMDers started trashing all of our posters, especially the administrator, who is a sensitive "kid." He over-reacted but I understood why. He had worked so hard to create Dcom. So that was my initial introduction to you guys. The gateway idea to SMD, seemd to precipitate the destruction of Dentalcom. At least prior to that we had 4-5 faithful posters. Joel (a member here), then invited me over here. I was tenuous as I knew you guys were not very nice hwen we had the gateway up. But I came here anyway, trying to put on my best "strong face." I was trying to make light of everything that transpired on Docm. So I made my first post which I wrote in a friendly way (it was intended to be friendly and light). But I was immediately called TRASH and told to GO AWAY!! You guys have no idea how much you hurt me. No matter what I sadi, it was just GO AWAY, GO AWAY. I called Joel in tears and told him there is no way I can post anymore. I cannot take it. This is too ahrd. He told me to try again. He said that on DT too. Try again. Just try again. He kept telling me to try again. Now Dr. Steve Vaughn is angry because I misinterpreted one of his posts as a joke. I immediately apologized to him on the board. Later I apologized in private. Amatus stated that Dr. Vaughn is an intelligent and compassionate person. If he is so compassionate then why does he not have the capacity to forgive? I never meant any malice. I spent a lot of time and put a lot of heart into my apology to him. Why cannot he not forgive? I am feeling sick to my stomach. And how have I denigrated your forum? When someone here calls a patient Dumb or Dim and I try to help that person, how is that be denigrating to you here? And how is posting a patient question here and then trying to REFER the patient to COME OVER HERE denigrating your forum? Respectfully (but feeling very, very hurt too), Sue > And how have I denigrated your forum? When someone here calls a > patient Dumb or Dim and I try to help that person, how is that be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sue The bottom line is we don't care whats going on other boards, message centers, etc. Why can't you understand that? You bringing other peoples writings here is not helpful to anyone. If they don't want to come here thats their loss, but *you* should not be the middle man, we have told you we don't like it and yet you insist. As long as you continue with that manner of interaction you will continue to be made unwanted, because frankly we don't want that. Write your own posts, and you might get a different reponse. Continue to burglarize other peoples posts and you might as well leave and never come back. [I cut everything] Sue, bring your thoughts to this newsgroup, sci.med.dentistry , in your own words. If you have read something elsewhere giving you reason to think and wonder what other people think about the same thing ... then think, organize your thoughts into a post and post! It's that simple. Webby > [I cut everything] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Webby Here are my own thoughts. Webby wrote: "If you have read something elsewhere giving you reason to think and wonder what other people think about the same thing then think, organize your thoughts into a post and post! It's that simple." Reply. I think it is more dangerous to try to paraphrase a patient's question than to post their own words. Especially since I am not a dentist. I do not mean to insult you or others by questioning your rules or modus of operandi here, but I think that cutting and pasting is more ethical than trying to paraphrase someone else's words....especially when it is a patient that is asking for help. I understand that some here do not care what goes on at other newsgroups. If that is the case, then why don't they just ignore questions from other newsgroups and leave the thread alone? My purpose and intent for the ClaireC post: #1- I did want to hear what dentists thought about this for my own information #2- I wanted to direct her to a place where dentists could help her Paraphrasing her concerns would have: #1- Been less honest #2- Been less accurate #3- Taken more time Now I realize that my actions have unwittenly insulted some of your usenet group. I am sorry. In the same token, Dr. Bornfeld and Tonybad did not have a problem with it. So I see it as some here may be a bit close-minded. They seem "bent" on adhering to rules that inhibit sharing of information. I do not mean this as an insult. These are my honest thoughts about this. If you want to spend the energy to try to make others conform to your rules then I guess that is your choice. However in my estimation, conforming to the rules as described (worried about "piracy" of questions and ideas posted on other dental forums) actually works against your charter. I am not sure why you want to only share ideas from the minds that are located here on this usenet. I just do not have the same attitude about that, I guess. Respectfully, Sue >> [I cut everything] >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > question than to post their own words. Especially since I am not a > dentist. No it's just plain rude. Do you have the persons permission? And just who are you to intervene; Joan of Arc or something. You are just a dental groupie that steals from one place to take to another so you can then say "here's what some other expert says" aren't I great. Get a life lady. Here's the deal, when you post something here that belongs to someone else and somewhere else, you can expect to be attacked because of it. Thats a promise to you Joan of Arc the dental groupie. Your best bet is to go back to where you came from and leave smd to do its own thing. All you have done is disrupted everything here. Isn't it obvious *NO-ONE* likes what you're doing. > >> [I cut everything] > >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > is disrupted everything here. Isn't it obvious *NO-ONE* likes what you're > doing. I am not in control of your reactions. Sue >> >> [I cut everything] >> >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I am not in control of your reactions. > Sue Yeah you are, as I said, post someone elses material here and you will be a recipient of my emotions Joan of Arc the dental groupie. > I am not in control of your reactions. > Sue Have you ever had an original thought of your own or have you been a thief of others thoughts your entire life Joan of Arc the dental groupie? > > I am not in control of your reactions. > > Sue > > Have you ever had an original thought of your own or have you been a thief > of others thoughts your entire life Joan of Arc the dental groupie? My own thoughts: TAKE A CHILL PILL TIM. My original thought today is: Why not consider bending your self-imposed rules? Of course, I could take the "Tim think" route. Nah. I prefer to have my own original opinion and thought. Don't let this discussion ruin your day. -Sue >> > I am not in control of your reactions. >> > Sue [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > TAKE A CHILL PILL TIM. > My original thought today is: Why not consider bending your > self-imposed rules? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Nah. I prefer to have my own original opinion and thought. > Don't let this discussion ruin your day. I haven't read an original thought come from you, only copy and paste of what someone else had to say. Ruin my day? Hardly... [cut] And just who > are you to intervene; Joan of Arc or something. [cut] Hey ... don't go dissin' Joan of Arc!! She's not here to defend herself!! And... I haven't seen her lately. Webby > [cut] And just who >> are you to intervene; Joan of Arc or something. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Webby Yeah i suppose the term "dental groupie", "burglar", and "thief" are more appropriate. Poor poor Joan of A. >> [cut] And just who >>> are you to intervene; Joan of Arc or something. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yeah i suppose the term "dental groupie", "burglar", and "thief" are more > appropriate. Poor poor Joan of A. You know I'm afraid to suggest the DGBT read "that book". But you never know... maybe then, and only then, might DGBT get 'it'. > >> [cut] And just who > >>> are you to intervene; Joan of Arc or something. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You know I'm afraid to suggest the DGBT read "that book". But you never > know... maybe then, and only then, might DGBT get 'it'. Suggest it. See what happens. TW (I'm finishing up here at 10:3o AM no matter **what** haha) >> >> [cut] And just who >> >>> are you to intervene; Joan of Arc or something. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > TW > (I'm finishing up here at 10:3o AM no matter **what** haha) Ok here goes: Go here and read this: http://www.scimeddentistry.com/IATROPDF.pdf This does require the free adobe reader. Then you may just get insight into why people around here feel like they do. >> [cut] And just who >>> are you to intervene; Joan of Arc or something. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Yeah i suppose the term "dental groupie", "burglar", and "thief" are more >appropriate. Poor poor Joan of A. Plagiarist ? How about Joan of an A** ? Anyway agreed. BTW IIRC no SMD dentist answered the original question; therefore we can assume that no SMD dentist gives a rat about J of an A's posts. Sue the grape cutter is a troll. / -- Whamatus Bemona wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com > >> [cut] And just who > >>> are you to intervene; Joan of Arc or something. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGE > at yahoo dot com I can not disagree. Why? Only trolls fail to progress. TW >> >> [cut] And just who >> >>> are you to intervene; Joan of Arc or something. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > I can not disagree. Why? Only trolls fail to progress. Trolling is always identified by this one characteristic "failure to progress". >> Sue the grape cutter is a troll. >> / [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >TW Some people are so frustrated that they can only find an argument online. People IRL won't even talk to them. Yew ketchin' my drift ? / -- Whamatus Bemoana wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com > > [I cut everything] > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > question than to post their own words. Especially since I am not a > dentist. So... in order to ask someone else's question for them here in smd, a usenet newsgroup, you take a copy of a single post and post it here. After you post that "exact copy" of another person's concern/question, what are you going to do about ***paraphrasing*** what smd's posters had to offer in reply???? I would think the danger would have more to do with you paraphrasing the responses into one tidy package to take back to some other "group". But maybe that isn't what you're doing. So I'm asking you what it is you are doing about avoiding the danger of paraphrasing comments you apparently do not understand with comprehension. > I do not mean to insult you or others by questioning your rules or > modus of operandi here, but I think that cutting and pasting is more > ethical than trying to paraphrase someone else's words....especially > when it is a patient that is asking for help. Again, this is a comprehension problem. I told you that the charter is a guideline. The way a group of people put the guidelines to work for them is up to the group. There are no *rules* here that are enforced by anything other than if it's spam it gets reported, if it's trolling it gets fought until the matter is cleared up and then the trolls are ignored one way or another. As for *rules* ... those are about it. If you want to participate in a group, group participants have to understand how to function as part of a group. It isn't a personality contest. It's about respect. It's about learning how to change what you do if it doesn't fit the ways of the group. At some point, you either accept the group for what it is or move on. You are asking this group to accept your style but you don't wish to accept the group's style. You have a greater problem than the group. Didn't you learn anything in elementary school to take you through life? > I understand that some here do not care what goes on at other > newsgroups. If that is the case, then why don't they just ignore > questions from other newsgroups and leave the thread alone? I don't think you understand much of anything about anything that has anything to do with usenet. I refuse to bother responding to your question because you don't do your homework. > My purpose and intent for the ClaireC post: > > #1- I did want to hear what dentists thought about this for my own > information What did you hear that has been informative for you? > #2- I wanted to direct her to a place where dentists could help her The only *real* place a dentist can help her is in a dental office IRL. You are not helping her by what you are doing. That should be clear to you. But since you continue with this interaction, who are you helping? > Paraphrasing her concerns would have: > #1- Been less honest Hogwash. > #2- Been less accurate That is because you have no idea what her concern actually is. > #3- Taken more time Laziness. How much time have you spent spinning your wheels? How much time have people in this usenet newsgroup, sci.med.dentistry given to you because you were too lazy to express your own thoughts about something you said you needed for your own information? > Now I realize that my actions have unwittenly insulted some of your > usenet group. I am sorry. In the same token, Dr. Bornfeld and Tonybad > did not have a problem with it. Those two posters have not had a problem with what? > So I see it as some here may be a bit close-minded. They seem "bent" on > adhering to rules that inhibit sharing of information. I do not mean > this as an insult. These are my honest thoughts about this. Your opinion is your opinion. The idea of rules in smd is simply *your own idea*!! What information do you want that has not been shared here in smd? > If you want to spend the energy to try to make others conform to your > rules then I guess that is your choice. However in my estimation, > conforming to the rules as described (worried about "piracy" of > questions and ideas posted on other dental forums) actually works > against your charter. ________________ Taken from "Dictionary" 1.0.1 (an Apple product) plagiarism noun the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. DERIVATIVES plagiarist / noun plagiaristic / adjective ORIGIN early 17th cent.: from Latin plagiarius kidnapper (from plagium a kidnapping, from Greek plagion) + -ism . Thesaurus plagiarism noun accusations of plagiarism copying, infringement of copyright, piracy, theft, stealing; informal cribbing. _________________ In your own words, do you think what you are doing is related to the word "plagiarism"? If so, explain. If not, explain. > I am not sure why you want to only share ideas from the minds that are > located here on this usenet. I just do not have the same attitude > about that, I guess. It seems to be the case that you have an attitude that needs some adjusting if you are going to be able to (ever) participate as part of this group. Usenet, in general and smd specifically, is not, I repeat: *is not* for everyone. For most people, there are many web-forums better suited to their needs. > Respectfully, > > Sue The Webby >> I am not sure why you want to only share ideas from the minds that are >> located here on this usenet. I just do not have the same attitude [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >The Webby I am an expert at the proverbial "attitude adjustment". What size can of 'whupass' do you think we will need ? 8^)) / -- Whamatus Bemona wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com > >> I am not sure why you want to only share ideas from the minds that are > >> located here on this usenet. I just do not have the same attitude [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGE > at yahoo dot com Well ... what's your recommendation? (I could guess but that's no fun.) TW >> >> I am not sure why you want to only share ideas from the minds that are >> >> located here on this usenet. I just do not have the same attitude [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >TW Well it seems to me that the smallest available would be more than enough. How about the 1 oz. size ? One must consider the size of the recipient. / -- Whamatus Bemoana wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com >>> I am not sure why you want to only share ideas from the minds that are >>> located here on this usenet. I just do not have the same attitude [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > What size can of 'whupass' do you think we will need ? I'm thinking an ounce or two would be more than enough. >"Whamatus" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I'm thinking an ounce or two would be more than enough. We currently have both sizes in stock. Would you like to order two of each for later use ? The ¼ or ½ oz. size would likely suit the purpose but both have been discontinued due to lack of demand for such a minimal amount of product. However, please note that once opened, the remaining unused product of any sized can, cannot be stored for later use. A new can should be used for every subsequent incident. Contact our manufacturing department for custom size orders. We will do our best to meet your packaging needs of our product. Warm Regards, / -- Whamatus Bemoana wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com >>"Whamatus" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >>I'm thinking an ounce or two would be more than enough. Oh thats a riot!!!! > We currently have both sizes in stock. > Would you like to order two of each for later use ? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGE > at yahoo dot com > > > [I cut everything] > > > [quoted text clipped - 140 lines] > > The Webby Webby, I find your post highly amusing. I know what plagarism is. Copy and pasting someone else's words is not plagarism. I do not pretend to be the author of someone's else's question or words. I think you need to learn how to properly interpret the defintiion of plagarism. I have written many scientific abstracts and co-authored many scientific manuscripts. I odnlt think I need to go back to 3rd grade in order to understand terms suc as "disclosure" and "plagarism." YET.... I especially find this amusing since in the past you have taken the words from this forum and capitalized on other people's disussion. You paid thousands of dollars for surgery to correct a TMJ problem. Apparently the surgery went bad and you hold a grudge. I am sorry about your problem. And yet I am quite amusing that you think it is ok the "steal thoughts" (your words, not mine) from this forum and write a book.. and then you lecture me on plagarism. LOL. -Sue PS By the way did you ask every person here if it was ok to capitalize on their thoughts...as your brother Tim seems to think that is a very rude thing to do. Geesh. > -Sue > PS By the way did you ask every person here if it was ok to capitalize > on their thoughts...as your brother Tim seems to think that is a very > rude thing to do. Geesh. Your bringing material into this group from somewhere else is the issue here. You will never be accepted here, and so my suggestion is you go back to that two bit forum you think so highly of. Understand this: YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE. Usenet archives exist for a reason. I decided to take a few days off, not to rest and not to play, but to *work*. I have been researching the archives. It is something I do every now and then and the effort is always time well spent. "Sue", I played you like a fiddle. I was sure that you were not "the innocent" you pretended to be because it was obvious in your writing style. And here, we have evidence in your own words that you have some idea, albeit incorrect, about who I am, what I do and why I do what I do online. I have watched your style ... and I've waited patiently for you to accuse me of something; it was only a matter of time. And I decided to give you a little bit of rope to use so that we could all see you in action. This is what you did with the rope: [cut] > Webby, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > on their thoughts...as your brother Tim seems to think that is a very > rude thing to do. Geesh. And to that, I add: Read the book *again* and think for yourself for once. If you have been thinking "if Webby could do what Webby did, "Sue" can do it too" ... you better think a little longer. You are nothing better than a *copycat*, "Sue", and not a very good one at that. So let's see what you've got. But I warn you, I could see you coming before you got here (how? ... that's for you to wonder about)... and let me tell you one important thing: it's best not to mess with The Webby. The Webby ____ > Usenet archives exist for a reason. I decided to take a few days off, > not to rest and not to play, but to *work*. I have been researching the [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > The Webby > ____ Webby, I am sorry if my response was not what you wanted to hear, but I could not help but laugh at the irony. I am not trying to "mess with you" or "copycat" anything. Please get a grip on reality and let this stuff go for a little while. I think you may be taking this a little too seriously right now. Sorry, but you (and Tim's) recent posts show: You are REALLY threatened by a couple of posts being cut and pasted over here MY GOD. PLEASE GET A GRIP. And If you go around trying to "play people" like a fiddle, then you must be a little weird. Sorry, but only nut-cases and weirdoes do that, IMHO. Please take a break and come to your senses. Sincerely, Sue [cut] > I am sorry if my response was not what you wanted to hear, but I could > not help but laugh at the irony. > > I am not trying to "mess with you" or "copycat" anything. Please get a > grip on reality and let this stuff go for a little while. I think you > may be taking this a little too seriously right now. [cut] You, "Sue", are a copycat. Say whatever you want. I've got you right where I want you and you know it. Your response was exactly what I wanted, so there's no need to be "sorry" or to think it somehow missed the target. TW > [cut] > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > TW OK Then. Let me revise: If you go around trying to "play people" like a fiddle, then you must be VERY weird. Only nut-cases and weirdoes do that, IMHO. Sincerely, Sue > > [cut] > > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Sincerely, > Sue I am proud to remind you that I've heard this before and I'm well prepared to hear it again. Who do you think you're "playing"? ... ahhhh. That would be your secret. Don't underestimate my information base, "Sue". The Webby > > > [cut] > > > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > The Webby Webby, Please listen to yourself. You are deluded. I am not "playing" anyone. Now you are threatening me? With what? And for what? For posting on a usenet group? You do not scare me with your supposed threats, but I am genuinely concerned for you right now. You have temporarily lost some grip on reality, IMHO. Seriously. You need to get some help (if needed) or take a break and get your mind back into a "good" place. This usent is not your life. And I could not be any more serious. And I am saying this out of compassion, not spite. Sincerely, Sue [cut] > > I am proud to remind you that I've heard this before and I'm well > > prepared to hear it again. Who do you think you're "playing"? ... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > The Webby Let me see here.... > Webby, > > Please listen to yourself. You are deluded. I am not "playing" anyone. > Now you are threatening me? With what? And for what? For posting on a > usenet group? Post away then. It's a public "place". > You do not scare me with your supposed threats, but I am genuinely > concerned for you right now. You have temporarily lost some grip on > reality, IMHO. Seriously. You need to get some help (if needed) or > take a break and get your mind back into a "good" place. It is not my intention to "scare" you. And you are not "genuinely concerned" for me either. You *think* you're in a position to know that I have "temporarily lost some grip on reality"... I would say you are the one who is deluded to think you are in a position to know anything about my "reality". My mind is just fine, "Sue". Don't worry about me. > This usent is not your life. This usenet is not whose life??? > And I could not be any more serious. And I am saying this out of > compassion, not spite. I could not be any more serious either. > Sincerely, > Sue The Webby > [cut] > > > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > The Webby Webby, You obviously do not know me at all. You profess to know: -my intentions and -my feelings Sorry to be so blunt but now I know you need a reality check because you are dead wrong about me. You have no clue about me as a person. I have some stuff to do now. I cannot belabor this conversation any longer. Good luck and take care, Sue [cut] > Webby, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sue Bundle up and take a bike ride somewhere. It'll clear the cobwebs. The Webby > I have some stuff to do now. I cannot belabor this conversation any > longer. No it's called you are busted... let's see "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1127322420.607032.93190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > To all: Sorry I have been so touchy. A lot of my stuff was deleted at > DT and I was never sure why. The only thing I can think of is that they [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sue Summary of points is at the conclusion of this post. In article <tmjiatroepidemic-532C40.10073111122005@news-lb-01.socal.rr.com>, > Usenet archives exist for a reason. I decided to take a few days off, > not to rest and not to play, but to *work*. I have been researching the [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > The Webby > ____ And at the "end of the day", I return to the first of my posts of this day in order to summarize some of the turning points in our discussions. Here we have "Sue" of chrlie699@yahoo.com who gives others reason to trust that she has a *handle* on my health history, my attitudes and my work. "Sue" wrote: "You paid thousands of dollars for surgery to correct a TMJ problem. Apparently the surgery went bad and you hold a grudge." and this... "And yet I am quite amusing that you think it is ok the "steal thoughts" (your words, not mine) from this forum and write a book.. and then you lecture me on plagarism." _____________ Sooner or later, Sue's words will be out there all over the internet's WWW, complete with their inaccuracies and they'll be tangled up and associated with the words of so many others... and I ask, what's it all worth anyway? I asked once upon a time in "that book", "But what is the purpose of all this electronic communicating if we are not actually communicating?" (pg. 29) And if I think about it all long enough, I remember what it is all worth and I'm reminded how worthwhile it all really is every time I bump into the "Sue"s of the internet. The Webby > I went to Dentalcom one day after a vacation and saw a gateway to > Scimed dentistry. I was pleasantly surpised and excited to see new > posts. I could not have been any nicer to you folks. That is not true at all. Dcom hi-jacked our threads and you were burglarizing our conversations. >Then some of > you guys started posting on a discussion that I was having with Dcom > people and started trashing us and our conversation. All your posters? What did you have 5 people? > SMDers started trashing all of our posters, especially the > administrator, who is a sensitive "kid." He over-reacted but I > understood why. He had worked so hard to create Dcom. See what happens when you steal our threads? > So that was my initial introduction to you guys. The gateway idea to > SMD, seemd to precipitate the destruction of Dentalcom. At least prior > to that we had 4-5 faithful posters. BIG CLIP You still don't get it do you? > And how have I denigrated your forum? When someone here calls a > patient Dumb or Dim and I try to help that person, how is that be > denigrating to you here? And how is posting a patient question here > and then trying to REFER the patient to COME OVER HERE denigrating your > forum? > Now Dr. Steve Vaughn is angry because I misinterpreted one of his posts > as a joke. What? you mean that his posts are NOT meant to be jokes?? Dang! So he really had me bamboozled all this time! ;-) [g] - dentaldoc >> Now Dr. Steve Vaughn is angry because I misinterpreted one of his posts >> as a joke. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >- dentaldoc Bill, You Da Man ! <vbseg> -- W_B ##################################### Definition of 'stress': "When one's mind overrides the intense desire to choke the living sh*t out of some a**hole who desperately needs it." -- W_B >> Now Dr. Steve Vaughn is angry because I misinterpreted one of his posts >> as a joke. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - dentaldoc I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn.. who is he, and where does he come from, also how did he get here, and where will he go when he is done here? Does anyone know the answers? > I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn.. who is he, and where > does he come from, also how did he get here, and where will he go when > he is done here? Does anyone know the answers? What Tim and Sue fail to realize is that when a portal opened up to Dcom, it was no ordinary portal. And Sue was not copying patient concerns to any ordinary dental group. Indeed she should not expect an ordinary dental answer! For, Instead as one recent confused smd patient put it, when I ask questions here I feel like I have .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Landed in the ..DooDEEDooDEE DooDEEdooDEE ...Twilight zone. >> I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn.. who is he, and where >> does he come from, also how did he get here, and where will he go when >> > he is done here? Does anyone know the answers? Thats not exactly what I am talking about, but it wasn't any better either. > What Tim and Sue fail to realize is that when a portal opened up to > Dcom, it was no ordinary portal. And Sue was not copying patient [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > ...Twilight zone. >I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn.. who is he, and where does >he come from, also how did he get here, and where will he go when he is done >here? Does anyone know the answers? yes, eye nowz all ub de anzers. / -- Whamatus Bemoana wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com >>I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn.. who is he, and where >>does [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > yes, eye nowz all ub de anzers. i am relieved someone does.. i was sure hoping it wasn't minnie-sue and her counterpart minnie-she >>>I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn.. who is he, and where >>>does [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >i am relieved someone does.. i was sure hoping it wasn't minnie-sue and her >counterpart minnie-she U R skarin' me. Whut happned to Mini-me ? / -- Whamatus Bemoana wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com >>>>I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn.. who is he, and where >>>>does [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Whut happned to Mini-me ? they killed him for his posts > I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn. He was a damn fine guitar player. http://tinyurl.com/dksvh Steve . who is he, and where does > he come from, also how did he get here, and where will he go when he is done > here? Does anyone know the answers? >> I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Steve Oh that was definitely the Doctor! >> I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn. Too funny! I guess the group has finally decided to promote me. Not only am I suddenly a Doctor; far more importantly... > He was a damn fine guitar player. http://tinyurl.com/dksvh ...I am a great ax-man. "Dr." Vaughn >>> I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >"Dr." Vaughn That's why we call you Double Trouble ;-) / -- Whamatus Bemoana wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com "Dr. Vaughn for a day" Please explain the statement "He WAS a damn fine guitar player." (Dr Stephen Manuso) Did he give up the guitar, more importantly where and how is he, and Carabelli too. Hate to be left wondering. Gail Too many secrets on this newsgroup. What is meant by referrals to "monkey" . > > He was a damn fine guitar player. http://tinyurl.com/dksvh > > ...I am a great ax-man. > > "Dr." Vaughn > "Dr. Vaughn for a day" > Please explain the statement "He WAS a damn fine guitar player." (Dr Stephen > Manuso) > Did he give up the guitar, more importantly where and how is he, Google tells all: Stevie Ray Vaughan: October 3, 1954 - August 27, 1990 > What is meant by referrals to "monkey" I could tell you but... (Hint: there are three of them) Vaughn >> "Dr. Vaughn for a day" >> Please explain the statement "He WAS a damn fine guitar player." (Dr Stephen >> Manuso) >> Did he give up the guitar, more importantly where and how is he, > > Google tells all: Stevie Ray Vaughan: October 3, 1954 - August 27, 1990 Yeah, I guess you could say he gave up the guitar as well as the ghost. Think he's buried in Dallas, alas he's still dead. >> What is meant by referrals to "monkey" > > I could tell you but... (Hint: there are three of them) Thought there were 13 ? >Vaughn / -- Whamatus Bemoana wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com > "Dr. Vaughn for a day" > Please explain the statement "He WAS a damn fine guitar player." (Dr Stephen [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > "Dr." Vaughn I think the monkeys may be hanging out with joel. -Sue > I think the monkeys may be hanging out with joel. > -Sue What monkeys might Joel be hanging out with? >>> I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >"Dr." Vaughn Plus, you have the fine honor of being called Steve. >>>> I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Plus, you have the fine honor of being called Steve. True... or the alternative is that Steve has the great honor of being called Vaughn. Vaughn > True... or the alternative is that Steve has the great honor of being > called Vaughn. I love it !  Signature/ Amatus / > >>>>> I didn't even know there was a Dr. Steve Vaughn. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Vaughn If > we make a mess in our community, we are obligated to clean up after > ourselves. If someone else is making a mess of our community ... well > ... the group takes it upon themselves to handle the problem because > that is the only way things work around here. In the wild west when a stranger walked into a bar, they would say, HOWDY stranger, yer new around here ain't ye? > Litterbugs are not welcome here. >> >original Charter as presented by Alec Ellsworth, a dental student at the >> >time. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> and answers, medico-legal issues, and any other related dentistry >> >> discussion. Sue, This is an unmoderated group, as in NO MODERATOR, so anyone can post. Nothing in the charter about a self-appointed group "mommy" or "daddy".....or should I say, bro and sis? I don't get the bfd over a post from an anonymous Claire. WHO CARES where it came from? I do not. "foreign material" "stealing"....bunch of nonsense! These people are sick whacko thugs. >>> >original Charter as presented by Alec Ellsworth, a dental student at >>> >the [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > These people are sick whacko thugs. Which people? Minnie-mouse, just another troll who is as guilty as Sue. Perhaps they are one in the same... Which people? You figure it out. Was not talking to you anyway, creep. > Which people? You figure it out. > Was not talking to you anyway, creep. Well I was talking to you minnie-mouse, or is it minnie-moose. >Which people? You figure it out. >Was not talking to you anyway, creep. Minnie- Me, U R da creepzoid biatch. Nothing to give, nothing to offer, nothing to interpret. MM must be a Democrat, GFYS BIATCH Who forgot about Howie Dean's comments from last week ? Not us patriots ! / -- Whamatus Bemoana wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com ick. >>Which people? You figure it out. >>Was not talking to you anyway, creep. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >wubbabubbazG@RBAGE >at yahoo dot com It takes one to know one. Third grader. >I don't get the bfd over a post from an anonymous Claire. >WHO CARES where it came from? I do not. > "foreign material" "stealing"....bunch of nonsense! > >These people are sick whacko thugs. / -- Whamatus Bemoana wubbabubbazG@RBAGE at yahoo dot com grow up. >It takes one to know one. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >wubbabubbazG@RBAGE >at yahoo dot com > These people are sick whacko thugs. In my 53 years on this earth, I have been called many things. This, however is a new one. Pretty funny. Dartos >> These people are sick whacko thugs. > > In my 53 years on this earth, I have been called many things. > This, however is a new one. Pretty funny. > > Dartos I've been called a varmint. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > > These people are sick whacko thugs. > > In my 53 years on this earth, I have been called many things. > This, however is a new one. Pretty funny. > > Dartos I'm with you, Dartos. I often wonder what new names I may yet be called and so far, this one is ... the newest and the funniest. TW > > These people are sick whacko thugs. > > In my 53 years on this earth, I have been called many things. > This, however is a new one. Pretty funny. > > Dartos Dartos, Who called you a sick whacko thug? -Sue >> > These people are sick whacko thugs. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -Sue YOU DID! You stated "These people are sick whacko thugs." It sure looked like you were talking in general terms about SMD. If not, maybe you should be more specific. Even then I reserve the right to disagree. Dartos >>>These people are sick whacko thugs. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -Sue > You stated "These people are sick whacko thugs." It sure looked > like you were talking in general terms about SMD. If not, maybe [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > -Sue Dartos, Correction: Minnie said that, not me. -Sue I never called you a wacko thug. Webby and Tim have gone ballistic over nothing.... I cross-posted a post by an anonymous poster and directed her over to Sci Med. So what the F-? Webby rejoices in "playing me?" Tim yells at me and gives me ultimatums? Sorry, but that seems a bit fruity to me. What the hell kind of people are they anyway? Why would I post my publications with my full name when all these peopleare bent on doing is to destroy my credibility? Why would I want to expose myself on the internet like that anyway? And before you make judgments please look at the thread, intstead listening to "snipits" from 2 people who (it seems) their only goal in life is to personally trash me. Geesh. They must have spent all weekend trying to think of ways to "run me off" a public discussion forum. Now if that is not crazy, what is? Don't they have lives outside of SMD? http://www.dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2967 Thanks for listening, Sue Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze, you know exactly what you did nurse nightingale. >I never called you a wacko thug. Webby and Tim have gone ballistic > over nothing.... I cross-posted a post by an anonymous poster and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Thanks for listening, > Sue > I never called you a wacko thug. Webby and Tim have gone ballistic > over nothing.... I cross-posted a post by an anonymous poster and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Thanks for listening, > Sue You would do well to listen to Joel if he makes suggestions about what you might do here. 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