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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 01 Dec 2005 18:52 GMT
Hello Flossaholics and non-belivers,
It is I the flossmaster with a fun tidbit of information that may
entice you into flossing more often...it worked for me.

Harmful bacteria can build up in between teeth in as little as 8 hours
which can make your body slightly weakened and sick!

I am writing to you to shamelessly promote my dad's little invention
called Pocket Floss® which we've been working on it for the last 5
years and have finally gotten to retail market.  It's really easy and
actually fun to use, check it out and support a flosser device actually
made in America!
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Amatus Cremona - 01 Dec 2005 19:04 GMT
How about posting with a discussion about the product rather than blatant
SPAM

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Hello Flossaholics and non-belivers,
It is I the flossmaster with a fun tidbit of information that may
entice you into flossing more often...it worked for me.

Harmful bacteria can build up in between teeth in as little as 8 hours
which can make your body slightly weakened and sick!

I am writing to you to shamelessly promote my dad's little invention
called Pocket Floss® which we've been working on it for the last 5
years and have finally gotten to retail market.  It's really easy and
actually fun to use, check it out and support a flosser device actually
made in America!
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 01 Dec 2005 20:06 GMT
Amatus,
   Thanks for your interest.  Here is what it's all about.  Basically
it's a loop based flossing system unlike anything out there.

Many dentists say "tie your floss in a 6 inch loop" for ease of use and
manueverability.  My dad invented a way to do this automatically using
a small device much like a cassette tape.  It uses much less floss than
traditional finger wrapping so it's better for the environment as well
as easy to use.

Also there is a built in seperate chamber for the spent floss so you
can floss anywhere without having to worry about throwing it away.  And
yes we built it out of Anti-microbial plastic so the spent side stays
clean as an extra precaution.  Check it out if you like, I didnt' floss
at all before I started using it and it's really handy.  If you are
skeptical I'll send you a sample to get you flossin' ASAP.  Thanks.
Travis
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Amatus Cremona - 01 Dec 2005 20:57 GMT
Interesting video.  Which one are you in the film ?

Seriously, I might take issue with the weight the site places on cardiac
health and flossing.  So far, none of the research has separated increased
risk of hearth attack in patients with gingivitis/periodontitis, with
respect to the fact that people who don't take care of the heart usually
will not take care of their mouth.

I may stop by CVS soon and try a sample to see what it is like.

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> Amatus,
>    Thanks for your interest.  Here is what it's all about.  Basically
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> Travis
> http://www.pocketfloss.com
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 03 Dec 2005 00:05 GMT
Amatus,
     Good point.  There is a coincidence there to some degree surely.
As far as purchase, the product isn't available at CVS retail outlets
yet unfortunately, you can however order online at http://www.cvs.com
anytime if you're interested.  They do make great stocking stuffers...
Travis

> Interesting video.  Which one are you in the film ?
>
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> > Travis
> > http://www.pocketfloss.com
W_B - 01 Dec 2005 19:44 GMT
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>From: "Floss-a-holics Anonymous" <travis@pocketfloss.com>
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>
>Hello Flossaholics and non-...

...spammers.

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george1234 - 01 Dec 2005 22:36 GMT
>http://www.pocketfloss.com

What a complete waste of time and effort

It's hard enough to get the floss inot the back why woulkd you want to
hold a plastic trinket while doing that.

That, and what if the floss breaks... do you tie a knot in it to keep
the gadget working

This is a joke right..


W_B - 01 Dec 2005 22:46 GMT
>>http://www.pocketfloss.com
>
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>
>This is a joke right..

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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 03 Dec 2005 00:14 GMT
George,
Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss, I assure you the product is
for real and very handy.  The device allows the use to pull out a loop
of floss and use the device to hold the ends, that's what makes it
unique and easy to use.  The plastic device actually hangs below while
the loop is used or it can be gripped in the hand depending on
preference and isn't a issue.  As far as the floss breaking you have a
good point.  The floss is made of comfortable but shred resistant
material that won't break wiht regular use...no knots necessary,  Check
out the video on the HOW IT WORKS page http://www.pocketfloss.com if
you are a flosser.  People who already floss love this thing as it's
super easy to use and you don't have to wrap the floss around your
fingers anymore.
Travis
Stovepipe - 03 Dec 2005 02:32 GMT
> George,
> Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss, I assure you the product is
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> fingers anymore.
> Travis

Haven't seen the website or the video, but from this, it seems my
ten-year-old could use this to throw arrows at the rabbit with....

SP
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 03 Dec 2005 21:14 GMT
Stovepipe,
Thanks for the feedback.  I haven't tried your "bow and arrow" idea
with Pocket Floss yet, but I'll give it a try this weekend and let you
know how it goes, always looking for additional uses...
Please check out the site/product when you have a chance, it could
change your life.  Its really easy to use, I even floss every day now.
http://www.pocketfloss.com
The Webby - 03 Dec 2005 21:22 GMT
> Stovepipe,
> Thanks for the feedback.  I haven't tried your "bow and arrow" idea
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> change your life.  Its really easy to use, I even floss every day now.
> http://www.pocketfloss.com

I was wondering how much mandibular function is needed in order to
maneuver the container and floss.  The still photo makes me think it
won't be of special use to people with loss of mandibular function; I
thought it might be.  Do you have any comments about this?

Webby
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 03 Dec 2005 22:04 GMT
Webby,
Thanks for the comment.  I'm not familar with the severety of the
condition your speaking of but will infer its some amount of limited
jaw movement.  It boils down to this...if tying floss in a 6in diameter
loop using the "loop method" of flossing works for Pocket Floss will
work well for you.

If there is trouble holding the jaw open you may consider using a small
disposable "sword flosser" type product.  The problem with "sword
flossers" is the floss often breaks off from the plastic when using
between tight contacts getting uncomfortably lodged between teeth and
is tricky to remove.  Also, beware that water pick's and mouthwash are
great tools for oral hygeine but are not a substitute for floss.  Not
many people know that but it's true.  Many dentists when asked if you
had to pick between brushing and flossing will choose flossing!!

Thanks for your comment,  I will happily send you a sample to try if
you like, all I ask is that you give me some basic feedback on your
results and maybe tell a friend if you like it.  We're a small family
owned company and appreciate any and all feedback to make our product
better.  You can also purchase Pocket Floss at CVS.COM if you wish or
through your local dentist.  
Travis
http://www.pocketfloss.com
The Webby - 03 Dec 2005 22:28 GMT
> Webby,
> Thanks for the comment.  I'm not familar with the severety of the
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> Travis
> http://www.pocketfloss.com

Travis,

I know that you are attempting to bring attention to your company's
product.  And you probably know that this newsgroup basically doesn't
encourage marketing of products; and, such marketing exercises are
usually equated with "spam activity".  But I see that you are trying to
communicate with the readers/posters of smd and I, for one, appreciate
that you did not "post & run".  Having written that, I also hope that
you might stay around here and become an active participant in areas
beyond your specific area of interest too.  

As for giving your product a try, I think it probably won't work for me.  
But I don't know this with certainty, of course.  For people with severe
loss of jaw function, the issue of flossing becomes something of "the
ideal v. the practical".  My personal experience with this spans nearly
23 years and I've "practiced" at a variety of coping methods at various
points of my disability.  

If you're interested in more information concerning people with the loss
of normal jaw function, raise your hand (post) and tell us what you'd
like to know.

Webby
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 04 Dec 2005 02:02 GMT
Webby
Thanks for the feedback.  I hear you on the practical vs. possible.  I
typically only write to folks who are looking online for a better way
to floss...but may have missed the mark here with this group.  I've
been researching some alternative ways of getting the word out about
our product as we don't really like mainstream media and lack the
funding to compete with the floss giants like J&J on that field.  This
is a fun experiment for me to see if some folks are open and will
listen to a family owned underdog type company with a "better
mousetrap".

Learning about the reasons for flossing has been interesting to me and
I figure I can answer some questions for folks while promoting my dad's
invention a bit online.  Thanks for the message and enjoy the rest of
your weekend.
Travis
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Amatus Cremona - 05 Dec 2005 14:48 GMT
Hi Travis,

Don't be intimidated by us.  We normally dislike the spam and run type of
post.  You have the decency to actually participate in a discussion.

What happens with your device if the patient has an "overhang" and the floss
breaks ?  Not all patients get their restorations repaired when an overhang
is present.

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> Webby
> Thanks for the feedback.  I hear you on the practical vs. possible.  I
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> Travis
> http://www.pocketfloss.com
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 05 Dec 2005 17:11 GMT
Amatus,
I get that question a lot actually mainly from professionals in the
industry.  Pocket Floss uses "HIGH TECH" style dental floss from
Ranir®, it is very high strength yet comfortable, shred resistant
floss, and won't break under "normal use".  We tested many types of
floss and this is surely the strongest of the bunch and still
comfortable!  Many people I've given samples to have remarked how they
like the quality of the floss and it doesn't break like the regular J&J
stuff or Glide you get from your dentist.  One dentist I spoke with
called what he used to give out..."crap" and now sells Pocket Floss to
his patients because he knows they will actually use it!

On another note we have found that many of the large corporations who
mfg floss use the cheapest materials and outsource overseas.  They do
this to spend more on marketing so what you mainly pay for in the end
is well...the marketing, not the product.  We take solice in the fact
that our product is made in our hometown and uses the highest quality
components with little marketing just a great product.

I do have a short floss story I'll share if you're still reading
this...

I did actually have an older retired dental professional approach me at
the Spokane Dental Convention who wouldn't take my word for the shred
resistance.  He tried to break it with his hands frantically and then
maniacly by pulling it tightly with his hands to no avail.  Then this
frustrated rocket scientist decided to pull out his derringer pocket
knife franticly trying to chop through the floss!  Security!!  Luckily
I have a sense of humor and politely asked him to please put away his
knife and move on to another poor unsuspecting booth.  He was generous
enough to leave me his card though.  He he.  You never know what you'll
find at a convention.
Travis
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Amatus Cremona - 05 Dec 2005 17:15 GMT
So, the product is a throw-away if the floss breaks then ?

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Amatus,
I get that question a lot actually mainly from professionals in the
industry.  Pocket Floss uses "HIGH TECH" style dental floss from
Ranir®, it is very high strength yet comfortable, shred resistant
floss, and won't break under "normal use".  We tested many types of
floss and this is surely the strongest of the bunch and still
comfortable!  Many people I've given samples to have remarked how they
like the quality of the floss and it doesn't break like the regular J&J
stuff or Glide you get from your dentist.  One dentist I spoke with
called what he used to give out..."crap" and now sells Pocket Floss to
his patients because he knows they will actually use it!

On another note we have found that many of the large corporations who
mfg floss use the cheapest materials and outsource overseas.  They do
this to spend more on marketing so what you mainly pay for in the end
is well...the marketing, not the product.  We take solice in the fact
that our product is made in our hometown and uses the highest quality
components with little marketing just a great product.

I do have a short floss story I'll share if you're still reading
this...

I did actually have an older retired dental professional approach me at
the Spokane Dental Convention who wouldn't take my word for the shred
resistance.  He tried to break it with his hands frantically and then
maniacly by pulling it tightly with his hands to no avail.  Then this
frustrated rocket scientist decided to pull out his derringer pocket
knife franticly trying to chop through the floss!  Security!!  Luckily
I have a sense of humor and politely asked him to please put away his
knife and move on to another poor unsuspecting booth.  He was generous
enough to leave me his card though.  He he.  You never know what you'll
find at a convention.
Travis
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 05 Dec 2005 18:24 GMT
Amatus,
The floss could be tied but realistically the user needs to use a
little common sense when using the product.  And yes, the floss can
break if the user is intent on "sawing" sharp edges of teeth repeatedly
to prove a point...it could also be cut with scissors and isn't
bulletproof.  Breakage...possible yes, 99.9% of the time no.  There are
about 25,000 units out there currently with one reported breakage from
a dentist trying to prove a point.  Even the most skeptic of the
"breakage" problem have changed their tune after actually trying the
product and understanding its benefits.  This is a tool that can get
non-flossers to floss daily changing consumer oral hygeine habits
unlike anything on the market.
Travis
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Stovepipe - 07 Dec 2005 05:36 GMT
> Amatus,
> The floss could be tied but realistically the user needs to use a
> little common sense when using the product.  And yes, the floss can
> break if the user is intent on "sawing" sharp edges of teeth repeatedly
> to prove a point...it could also be cut with scissors and isn't
> bulletproof.  Breakage...possible yes, 99.9% of the time no.

If I were Batman, I'd want a couple in the ol' utility belt. Hope it
makes it to Kanada... I'll see about ordering in the New Year.

Cheers
SP
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W_B - 05 Dec 2005 17:44 GMT
>http://www.pocketpool.com

Please leave the spam link out of your posts.

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Stovepipe - 07 Dec 2005 05:36 GMT
> >http://www.pocketpool.com
>
> Please leave the spam link out of your posts.
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

Travel
       Car Rental
       Hotels
       Airline
       Vacations.... etc...... DUI Law-yers, etc...

'Lotta stuff on pocketpool.com

SP
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W_B - 07 Dec 2005 16:12 GMT
>> >http://www.pocketpool.com
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>SP

Jeez, just made that up,.
Shoulda checked first.
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Stovepipe - 08 Dec 2005 13:07 GMT
> >'Lotta stuff on pocketpool.com
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Shoulda checked first.
> --

That's what _she_ said, at the Bell Canada Picnic...

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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 07 Dec 2005 22:43 GMT
Thanks for the feedback.  What did you think of the product Stovie, did
you try it yet?
Travis
Stovepipe - 08 Dec 2005 13:07 GMT
> Thanks for the feedback.  What did you think of the product Stovie, did
> you try it yet?
> Travis

Well, no. I don't live in BC. I live in Quebec (well.... _Living_ is a
bit strong... _Subsisting_ would be better as a description...). That's
why I suggested contacting Oral Science here in KebeK for an Eastern
distribution.

SP
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 09 Dec 2005 20:02 GMT
> > Thanks for the feedback.  What did you think of the product Stovie, did
> > you try it yet?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks Stovepipe,
Thanks for the suggestion.  I must have missed that post.  I wasn't
able to find them online, do you have any contact info for them?
Travis
Stovepipe - 16 Dec 2005 05:27 GMT
> > Well, no. I don't live in BC. I live in Quebec (well.... _Living_ is a
> > bit strong... _Subsisting_ would be better as a description...). That's
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> able to find them online, do you have any contact info for them?
> Travis

I'll be seeing the distributor in January, and I'll ask.

Cheeahs
SP

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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 19 Dec 2005 01:47 GMT
Stovie,
That would be awesome, thank you.  I'll be glad to hook you up with
some samples for your help if you like.
Travis
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Amatus Cremona - 05 Dec 2005 19:27 GMT
Travis,  It may not be your intent, but this posting sounds like a a canned
marketing message rather than true communication.

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Amatus,
I get that question a lot actually mainly from professionals in the
industry.  Pocket Floss uses "HIGH TECH" style dental floss from
Ranir®, it is very high strength yet comfortable, shred resistant
floss, and won't break under "normal use".  We tested many types of
floss and this is surely the strongest of the bunch and still
comfortable!  Many people I've given samples to have remarked how they
like the quality of the floss and it doesn't break like the regular J&J
stuff or Glide you get from your dentist.  One dentist I spoke with
called what he used to give out..."crap" and now sells Pocket Floss to
his patients because he knows they will actually use it!

On another note we have found that many of the large corporations who
mfg floss use the cheapest materials and outsource overseas.  They do
this to spend more on marketing so what you mainly pay for in the end
is well...the marketing, not the product.  We take solice in the fact
that our product is made in our hometown and uses the highest quality
components with little marketing just a great product.

I do have a short floss story I'll share if you're still reading
this...

I did actually have an older retired dental professional approach me at
the Spokane Dental Convention who wouldn't take my word for the shred
resistance.  He tried to break it with his hands frantically and then
maniacly by pulling it tightly with his hands to no avail.  Then this
frustrated rocket scientist decided to pull out his derringer pocket
knife franticly trying to chop through the floss!  Security!!  Luckily
I have a sense of humor and politely asked him to please put away his
knife and move on to another poor unsuspecting booth.  He was generous
enough to leave me his card though.  He he.  You never know what you'll
find at a convention.
Travis
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 05 Dec 2005 20:48 GMT
Amatus,
If you infer that I'm shamelessly promoting my dad's invention while
meeting a few interesting folks like yourself...uhm...of course.  And
yes I'm here to answer any questions people have about the product
anytime.
Travis

Cover your eyes quickly...Here comes the shameless promotion of my
website..., Dough!
http://www.pocketfloss.com
W_B - 05 Dec 2005 20:54 GMT
>Amatus,
>If you infer that I'm shamelessly promoting my dad's invention while
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>website..., Dough!
>http://www.pocketpool.com

Keep this spamming up and expect a spam report.
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The Webby - 05 Dec 2005 21:00 GMT
> Amatus,
> If you infer that I'm shamelessly promoting my dad's invention while
> meeting a few interesting folks like yourself...uhm...of course.  And
> yes I'm here to answer any questions people have about the product
> anytime.
> Travis

Travis,

Why were *you* so unwilling to floss your teeth for so long?  What
happened to your teeth as a result of not flossing for what must have
been a long time?  If the product you're promoting weren't in your
pocket so to speak, what would you be doing about flossing now that you
see its importance?  Can you describe your alternate plan for us?

Webby
W_B - 05 Dec 2005 21:01 GMT
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>From: "Floss-a-holics Anonymous" <travis@pocketfloss.com>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>Amatus,
>If you infer that I'm shamelessly promoting my dad's invention

Which you are.

My patience has run out.

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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 05 Dec 2005 23:54 GMT
Dear W_B,
I appologize if I have somehow offended you.
Travis
W_B - 06 Dec 2005 16:08 GMT
>Dear W_B,
>I appologize if I have somehow offended you.
>Travis

You can discuss your 'product' without the hyperlink
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Stovepipe - 07 Dec 2005 05:36 GMT
> You never know what you'll
> find at a convention.
> Travis
> http://www.pocketfloss.com

Or on a website. The video is not compatible with older Macs running OS
9 or previous. At least it isn't on my little 'Book.

The case looks good though. I suggest you get in touch with a Kanadian
company called Oral Science, if your BC connection doesn't work out. I'd
appreciate knowing when your Kanadian distrubution is up and running. If
not, I'd order some direct. It'll have to wait till after Xmas,
though... $$$'s too tight to mention.

Cheers
SP
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Stovepipe - 04 Dec 2005 05:08 GMT
> We're a small family
> owned company and appreciate any and all feedback to make our product
> better.  You can also purchase Pocket Floss at CVS.COM if you wish or
> through your local dentist.  
> Travis

I'm a small local dentist ( um... at least around _here_ I am...) but I
don't sell Pocket Floss.

How would you get this thing across the Kanada-USA boarder?
SP
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 04 Dec 2005 18:12 GMT
Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss and good question.  I am
working with some folks in BC on a distributorship for the dental
community which should be finalized soon.  Until they are available in
your area I'm happy to send you a complimentary sample or you can
purchase one to try anytime on CVS.COM.  If you email me your contact
info I'll make sure someone gets ahold of you when they come available.
Travis
http://www.pocketfloss.com
Ann - 03 Dec 2005 11:47 GMT
>George,
>Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss, I assure you the product is
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>super easy to use and you don't have to wrap the floss around your
>fingers anymore.

Anyone who puts music on a website deserves to be shot!

Seriously, it's intrusive and thoughtless.  I was watching TV in the
corner of my computer when I hit your link and the sound was drowned
out by your stupid little bit of music.

It's because of people like you that I have had to turn the sound off
my computer at work!!

Ann
Amatus Cremona - 03 Dec 2005 17:43 GMT
>It's because of people like you that I have had to turn the sound off
>my computer at work!!

Otherwise you get caught?

>>George,
>>Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss, I assure you the product is
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>Ann
Ann - 03 Dec 2005 18:47 GMT
>>It's because of people like you that I have had to turn the sound off
>>my computer at work!!
>
>Otherwise you get caught?

Not really.  They know the work will be done efficiently and on time.
It just makes everyone ask what it is and I'd rather not bother to
tell.

Ann

>>>George,
>>>Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss, I assure you the product is
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>>
>>Ann
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 03 Dec 2005 21:07 GMT
Ann,
Didn't mean to get you in trouble at work with the audio, but I'm glad
you are interested in the product.  What did you think of the product?
We're a small family owned company run on a shoestring and are always
looking for feedback.
Travis
Ann - 04 Dec 2005 10:26 GMT
>Ann,
>Didn't mean to get you in trouble at work with the audio, but I'm glad
>you are interested in the product.  What did you think of the product?
>We're a small family owned company run on a shoestring and are always
>looking for feedback.

I didn't stay there, I closed it down.  I'm in the UK anyway and guess
the product wouldn't be available here.

Ann
Stovepipe - 04 Dec 2005 05:08 GMT
> It's because of people like you that I have had to turn the sound off
> my computer at work!!
>
> Ann

It is not my business, but WTF are you doing watching TV at _work_?

Go ahead Ann.... say it again....    :-/

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Ann - 04 Dec 2005 10:32 GMT
>> It's because of people like you that I have had to turn the sound off
>> my computer at work!!
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>Go ahead Ann.... say it again....    :-/

No.  I wasn't at work.  The two bits of information have got munged.
At that time as of now, I am at home.  I don't do newsgroups at work.

But I was just adding the information that it's badly designed
websites ie those with sound, that have forced me to turn the sound
off my computer at work.  I don't do much at work during Sept, Oct and
Nov, apart from be there to field enquiries.  (It's not fun by the
way, it drives me to distraction, I would far rather be busy.)

Ann
 
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