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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 01 Dec 2005 18:52 GMT Hello Flossaholics and non-belivers, It is I the flossmaster with a fun tidbit of information that may entice you into flossing more often...it worked for me.
Harmful bacteria can build up in between teeth in as little as 8 hours which can make your body slightly weakened and sick!
I am writing to you to shamelessly promote my dad's little invention called Pocket Floss® which we've been working on it for the last 5 years and have finally gotten to retail market. It's really easy and actually fun to use, check it out and support a flosser device actually made in America! http://www.pocketfloss.com
Amatus Cremona - 01 Dec 2005 19:04 GMT How about posting with a discussion about the product rather than blatant SPAM
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Hello Flossaholics and non-belivers, It is I the flossmaster with a fun tidbit of information that may entice you into flossing more often...it worked for me.
Harmful bacteria can build up in between teeth in as little as 8 hours which can make your body slightly weakened and sick!
I am writing to you to shamelessly promote my dad's little invention called Pocket Floss® which we've been working on it for the last 5 years and have finally gotten to retail market. It's really easy and actually fun to use, check it out and support a flosser device actually made in America! http://www.pocketfloss.com
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 01 Dec 2005 20:06 GMT Amatus, Thanks for your interest. Here is what it's all about. Basically it's a loop based flossing system unlike anything out there.
Many dentists say "tie your floss in a 6 inch loop" for ease of use and manueverability. My dad invented a way to do this automatically using a small device much like a cassette tape. It uses much less floss than traditional finger wrapping so it's better for the environment as well as easy to use.
Also there is a built in seperate chamber for the spent floss so you can floss anywhere without having to worry about throwing it away. And yes we built it out of Anti-microbial plastic so the spent side stays clean as an extra precaution. Check it out if you like, I didnt' floss at all before I started using it and it's really handy. If you are skeptical I'll send you a sample to get you flossin' ASAP. Thanks. Travis http://www.pocketfloss.com
Amatus Cremona - 01 Dec 2005 20:57 GMT Interesting video. Which one are you in the film ?
Seriously, I might take issue with the weight the site places on cardiac health and flossing. So far, none of the research has separated increased risk of hearth attack in patients with gingivitis/periodontitis, with respect to the fact that people who don't take care of the heart usually will not take care of their mouth.
I may stop by CVS soon and try a sample to see what it is like.
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> Amatus, > Thanks for your interest. Here is what it's all about. Basically [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Travis > http://www.pocketfloss.com Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 03 Dec 2005 00:05 GMT Amatus, Good point. There is a coincidence there to some degree surely. As far as purchase, the product isn't available at CVS retail outlets yet unfortunately, you can however order online at http://www.cvs.com anytime if you're interested. They do make great stocking stuffers... Travis
> Interesting video. Which one are you in the film ? > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Travis > > http://www.pocketfloss.com W_B - 01 Dec 2005 19:44 GMT >Path: news.easynews.com!en206!core-easynews!newsfeed2.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail >From: "Floss-a-holics Anonymous" <travis@pocketfloss.com> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Hello Flossaholics and non-... ...spammers.
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george1234 - 01 Dec 2005 22:36 GMT >http://www.pocketfloss.com What a complete waste of time and effort
It's hard enough to get the floss inot the back why woulkd you want to hold a plastic trinket while doing that.
That, and what if the floss breaks... do you tie a knot in it to keep the gadget working
This is a joke right..
W_B - 01 Dec 2005 22:46 GMT >>http://www.pocketfloss.com > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >This is a joke right.. Nope, it's spam ! --
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 03 Dec 2005 00:14 GMT George, Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss, I assure you the product is for real and very handy. The device allows the use to pull out a loop of floss and use the device to hold the ends, that's what makes it unique and easy to use. The plastic device actually hangs below while the loop is used or it can be gripped in the hand depending on preference and isn't a issue. As far as the floss breaking you have a good point. The floss is made of comfortable but shred resistant material that won't break wiht regular use...no knots necessary, Check out the video on the HOW IT WORKS page http://www.pocketfloss.com if you are a flosser. People who already floss love this thing as it's super easy to use and you don't have to wrap the floss around your fingers anymore. Travis
Stovepipe - 03 Dec 2005 02:32 GMT > George, > Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss, I assure you the product is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > fingers anymore. > Travis Haven't seen the website or the video, but from this, it seems my ten-year-old could use this to throw arrows at the rabbit with....
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 03 Dec 2005 21:14 GMT Stovepipe, Thanks for the feedback. I haven't tried your "bow and arrow" idea with Pocket Floss yet, but I'll give it a try this weekend and let you know how it goes, always looking for additional uses... Please check out the site/product when you have a chance, it could change your life. Its really easy to use, I even floss every day now. http://www.pocketfloss.com
The Webby - 03 Dec 2005 21:22 GMT > Stovepipe, > Thanks for the feedback. I haven't tried your "bow and arrow" idea [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > change your life. Its really easy to use, I even floss every day now. > http://www.pocketfloss.com I was wondering how much mandibular function is needed in order to maneuver the container and floss. The still photo makes me think it won't be of special use to people with loss of mandibular function; I thought it might be. Do you have any comments about this?
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 03 Dec 2005 22:04 GMT Webby, Thanks for the comment. I'm not familar with the severety of the condition your speaking of but will infer its some amount of limited jaw movement. It boils down to this...if tying floss in a 6in diameter loop using the "loop method" of flossing works for Pocket Floss will work well for you.
If there is trouble holding the jaw open you may consider using a small disposable "sword flosser" type product. The problem with "sword flossers" is the floss often breaks off from the plastic when using between tight contacts getting uncomfortably lodged between teeth and is tricky to remove. Also, beware that water pick's and mouthwash are great tools for oral hygeine but are not a substitute for floss. Not many people know that but it's true. Many dentists when asked if you had to pick between brushing and flossing will choose flossing!!
Thanks for your comment, I will happily send you a sample to try if you like, all I ask is that you give me some basic feedback on your results and maybe tell a friend if you like it. We're a small family owned company and appreciate any and all feedback to make our product better. You can also purchase Pocket Floss at CVS.COM if you wish or through your local dentist. Travis http://www.pocketfloss.com
The Webby - 03 Dec 2005 22:28 GMT > Webby, > Thanks for the comment. I'm not familar with the severety of the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Travis > http://www.pocketfloss.com Travis,
I know that you are attempting to bring attention to your company's product. And you probably know that this newsgroup basically doesn't encourage marketing of products; and, such marketing exercises are usually equated with "spam activity". But I see that you are trying to communicate with the readers/posters of smd and I, for one, appreciate that you did not "post & run". Having written that, I also hope that you might stay around here and become an active participant in areas beyond your specific area of interest too.
As for giving your product a try, I think it probably won't work for me. But I don't know this with certainty, of course. For people with severe loss of jaw function, the issue of flossing becomes something of "the ideal v. the practical". My personal experience with this spans nearly 23 years and I've "practiced" at a variety of coping methods at various points of my disability.
If you're interested in more information concerning people with the loss of normal jaw function, raise your hand (post) and tell us what you'd like to know.
Webby
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 04 Dec 2005 02:02 GMT Webby Thanks for the feedback. I hear you on the practical vs. possible. I typically only write to folks who are looking online for a better way to floss...but may have missed the mark here with this group. I've been researching some alternative ways of getting the word out about our product as we don't really like mainstream media and lack the funding to compete with the floss giants like J&J on that field. This is a fun experiment for me to see if some folks are open and will listen to a family owned underdog type company with a "better mousetrap".
Learning about the reasons for flossing has been interesting to me and I figure I can answer some questions for folks while promoting my dad's invention a bit online. Thanks for the message and enjoy the rest of your weekend. Travis http://www.pocketfloss.com
Amatus Cremona - 05 Dec 2005 14:48 GMT Hi Travis,
Don't be intimidated by us. We normally dislike the spam and run type of post. You have the decency to actually participate in a discussion.
What happens with your device if the patient has an "overhang" and the floss breaks ? Not all patients get their restorations repaired when an overhang is present.
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> Webby > Thanks for the feedback. I hear you on the practical vs. possible. I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Travis > http://www.pocketfloss.com Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 05 Dec 2005 17:11 GMT Amatus, I get that question a lot actually mainly from professionals in the industry. Pocket Floss uses "HIGH TECH" style dental floss from Ranir®, it is very high strength yet comfortable, shred resistant floss, and won't break under "normal use". We tested many types of floss and this is surely the strongest of the bunch and still comfortable! Many people I've given samples to have remarked how they like the quality of the floss and it doesn't break like the regular J&J stuff or Glide you get from your dentist. One dentist I spoke with called what he used to give out..."crap" and now sells Pocket Floss to his patients because he knows they will actually use it!
On another note we have found that many of the large corporations who mfg floss use the cheapest materials and outsource overseas. They do this to spend more on marketing so what you mainly pay for in the end is well...the marketing, not the product. We take solice in the fact that our product is made in our hometown and uses the highest quality components with little marketing just a great product.
I do have a short floss story I'll share if you're still reading this...
I did actually have an older retired dental professional approach me at the Spokane Dental Convention who wouldn't take my word for the shred resistance. He tried to break it with his hands frantically and then maniacly by pulling it tightly with his hands to no avail. Then this frustrated rocket scientist decided to pull out his derringer pocket knife franticly trying to chop through the floss! Security!! Luckily I have a sense of humor and politely asked him to please put away his knife and move on to another poor unsuspecting booth. He was generous enough to leave me his card though. He he. You never know what you'll find at a convention. Travis http://www.pocketfloss.com
Amatus Cremona - 05 Dec 2005 17:15 GMT So, the product is a throw-away if the floss breaks then ?
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Amatus, I get that question a lot actually mainly from professionals in the industry. Pocket Floss uses "HIGH TECH" style dental floss from Ranir®, it is very high strength yet comfortable, shred resistant floss, and won't break under "normal use". We tested many types of floss and this is surely the strongest of the bunch and still comfortable! Many people I've given samples to have remarked how they like the quality of the floss and it doesn't break like the regular J&J stuff or Glide you get from your dentist. One dentist I spoke with called what he used to give out..."crap" and now sells Pocket Floss to his patients because he knows they will actually use it!
On another note we have found that many of the large corporations who mfg floss use the cheapest materials and outsource overseas. They do this to spend more on marketing so what you mainly pay for in the end is well...the marketing, not the product. We take solice in the fact that our product is made in our hometown and uses the highest quality components with little marketing just a great product.
I do have a short floss story I'll share if you're still reading this...
I did actually have an older retired dental professional approach me at the Spokane Dental Convention who wouldn't take my word for the shred resistance. He tried to break it with his hands frantically and then maniacly by pulling it tightly with his hands to no avail. Then this frustrated rocket scientist decided to pull out his derringer pocket knife franticly trying to chop through the floss! Security!! Luckily I have a sense of humor and politely asked him to please put away his knife and move on to another poor unsuspecting booth. He was generous enough to leave me his card though. He he. You never know what you'll find at a convention. Travis http://www.pocketfloss.com
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 05 Dec 2005 18:24 GMT Amatus, The floss could be tied but realistically the user needs to use a little common sense when using the product. And yes, the floss can break if the user is intent on "sawing" sharp edges of teeth repeatedly to prove a point...it could also be cut with scissors and isn't bulletproof. Breakage...possible yes, 99.9% of the time no. There are about 25,000 units out there currently with one reported breakage from a dentist trying to prove a point. Even the most skeptic of the "breakage" problem have changed their tune after actually trying the product and understanding its benefits. This is a tool that can get non-flossers to floss daily changing consumer oral hygeine habits unlike anything on the market. Travis http://www.pocketfloss.com
Stovepipe - 07 Dec 2005 05:36 GMT > Amatus, > The floss could be tied but realistically the user needs to use a > little common sense when using the product. And yes, the floss can > break if the user is intent on "sawing" sharp edges of teeth repeatedly > to prove a point...it could also be cut with scissors and isn't > bulletproof. Breakage...possible yes, 99.9% of the time no. If I were Batman, I'd want a couple in the ol' utility belt. Hope it makes it to Kanada... I'll see about ordering in the New Year.
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W_B - 05 Dec 2005 17:44 GMT >http://www.pocketpool.com Please leave the spam link out of your posts.
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Stovepipe - 07 Dec 2005 05:36 GMT > >http://www.pocketpool.com > > Please leave the spam link out of your posts. --
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'Lotta stuff on pocketpool.com
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W_B - 07 Dec 2005 16:12 GMT >> >http://www.pocketpool.com >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >SP Jeez, just made that up,. Shoulda checked first. --
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Stovepipe - 08 Dec 2005 13:07 GMT > >'Lotta stuff on pocketpool.com > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Shoulda checked first. > -- That's what _she_ said, at the Bell Canada Picnic...
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 07 Dec 2005 22:43 GMT Thanks for the feedback. What did you think of the product Stovie, did you try it yet? Travis
Stovepipe - 08 Dec 2005 13:07 GMT > Thanks for the feedback. What did you think of the product Stovie, did > you try it yet? > Travis Well, no. I don't live in BC. I live in Quebec (well.... _Living_ is a bit strong... _Subsisting_ would be better as a description...). That's why I suggested contacting Oral Science here in KebeK for an Eastern distribution.
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 09 Dec 2005 20:02 GMT > > Thanks for the feedback. What did you think of the product Stovie, did > > you try it yet? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Thanks Stovepipe, Thanks for the suggestion. I must have missed that post. I wasn't able to find them online, do you have any contact info for them? Travis
Stovepipe - 16 Dec 2005 05:27 GMT > > Well, no. I don't live in BC. I live in Quebec (well.... _Living_ is a > > bit strong... _Subsisting_ would be better as a description...). That's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > able to find them online, do you have any contact info for them? > Travis I'll be seeing the distributor in January, and I'll ask.
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 19 Dec 2005 01:47 GMT Stovie, That would be awesome, thank you. I'll be glad to hook you up with some samples for your help if you like. Travis http://www.pocketfloss.com
Amatus Cremona - 05 Dec 2005 19:27 GMT Travis, It may not be your intent, but this posting sounds like a a canned marketing message rather than true communication.
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Amatus, I get that question a lot actually mainly from professionals in the industry. Pocket Floss uses "HIGH TECH" style dental floss from Ranir®, it is very high strength yet comfortable, shred resistant floss, and won't break under "normal use". We tested many types of floss and this is surely the strongest of the bunch and still comfortable! Many people I've given samples to have remarked how they like the quality of the floss and it doesn't break like the regular J&J stuff or Glide you get from your dentist. One dentist I spoke with called what he used to give out..."crap" and now sells Pocket Floss to his patients because he knows they will actually use it!
On another note we have found that many of the large corporations who mfg floss use the cheapest materials and outsource overseas. They do this to spend more on marketing so what you mainly pay for in the end is well...the marketing, not the product. We take solice in the fact that our product is made in our hometown and uses the highest quality components with little marketing just a great product.
I do have a short floss story I'll share if you're still reading this...
I did actually have an older retired dental professional approach me at the Spokane Dental Convention who wouldn't take my word for the shred resistance. He tried to break it with his hands frantically and then maniacly by pulling it tightly with his hands to no avail. Then this frustrated rocket scientist decided to pull out his derringer pocket knife franticly trying to chop through the floss! Security!! Luckily I have a sense of humor and politely asked him to please put away his knife and move on to another poor unsuspecting booth. He was generous enough to leave me his card though. He he. You never know what you'll find at a convention. Travis http://www.pocketfloss.com
Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 05 Dec 2005 20:48 GMT Amatus, If you infer that I'm shamelessly promoting my dad's invention while meeting a few interesting folks like yourself...uhm...of course. And yes I'm here to answer any questions people have about the product anytime. Travis
Cover your eyes quickly...Here comes the shameless promotion of my website..., Dough! http://www.pocketfloss.com
W_B - 05 Dec 2005 20:54 GMT >Amatus, >If you infer that I'm shamelessly promoting my dad's invention while [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >website..., Dough! >http://www.pocketpool.com Keep this spamming up and expect a spam report. --
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The Webby - 05 Dec 2005 21:00 GMT > Amatus, > If you infer that I'm shamelessly promoting my dad's invention while > meeting a few interesting folks like yourself...uhm...of course. And > yes I'm here to answer any questions people have about the product > anytime. > Travis Travis,
Why were *you* so unwilling to floss your teeth for so long? What happened to your teeth as a result of not flossing for what must have been a long time? If the product you're promoting weren't in your pocket so to speak, what would you be doing about flossing now that you see its importance? Can you describe your alternate plan for us?
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W_B - 05 Dec 2005 21:01 GMT >Path: news.easynews.com!en206!core-easynews!newsfeed2.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail >From: "Floss-a-holics Anonymous" <travis@pocketfloss.com> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Amatus, >If you infer that I'm shamelessly promoting my dad's invention Which you are.
My patience has run out.
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 05 Dec 2005 23:54 GMT Dear W_B, I appologize if I have somehow offended you. Travis
W_B - 06 Dec 2005 16:08 GMT >Dear W_B, >I appologize if I have somehow offended you. >Travis You can discuss your 'product' without the hyperlink embedded in the message. --
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Stovepipe - 07 Dec 2005 05:36 GMT > You never know what you'll > find at a convention. > Travis > http://www.pocketfloss.com Or on a website. The video is not compatible with older Macs running OS 9 or previous. At least it isn't on my little 'Book.
The case looks good though. I suggest you get in touch with a Kanadian company called Oral Science, if your BC connection doesn't work out. I'd appreciate knowing when your Kanadian distrubution is up and running. If not, I'd order some direct. It'll have to wait till after Xmas, though... $$$'s too tight to mention.
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Stovepipe - 04 Dec 2005 05:08 GMT > We're a small family > owned company and appreciate any and all feedback to make our product > better. You can also purchase Pocket Floss at CVS.COM if you wish or > through your local dentist. > Travis I'm a small local dentist ( um... at least around _here_ I am...) but I don't sell Pocket Floss.
How would you get this thing across the Kanada-USA boarder? SP
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Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 04 Dec 2005 18:12 GMT Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss and good question. I am working with some folks in BC on a distributorship for the dental community which should be finalized soon. Until they are available in your area I'm happy to send you a complimentary sample or you can purchase one to try anytime on CVS.COM. If you email me your contact info I'll make sure someone gets ahold of you when they come available. Travis http://www.pocketfloss.com
Ann - 03 Dec 2005 11:47 GMT >George, >Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss, I assure you the product is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >super easy to use and you don't have to wrap the floss around your >fingers anymore. Anyone who puts music on a website deserves to be shot!
Seriously, it's intrusive and thoughtless. I was watching TV in the corner of my computer when I hit your link and the sound was drowned out by your stupid little bit of music.
It's because of people like you that I have had to turn the sound off my computer at work!!
Ann
Amatus Cremona - 03 Dec 2005 17:43 GMT >It's because of people like you that I have had to turn the sound off >my computer at work!! Otherwise you get caught?
>>George, >>Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss, I assure you the product is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Ann Ann - 03 Dec 2005 18:47 GMT >>It's because of people like you that I have had to turn the sound off >>my computer at work!! > >Otherwise you get caught? Not really. They know the work will be done efficiently and on time. It just makes everyone ask what it is and I'd rather not bother to tell.
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>>>George, >>>Thanks for your interest in Pocket Floss, I assure you the product is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >>Ann Floss-a-holics Anonymous - 03 Dec 2005 21:07 GMT Ann, Didn't mean to get you in trouble at work with the audio, but I'm glad you are interested in the product. What did you think of the product? We're a small family owned company run on a shoestring and are always looking for feedback. Travis
Ann - 04 Dec 2005 10:26 GMT >Ann, >Didn't mean to get you in trouble at work with the audio, but I'm glad >you are interested in the product. What did you think of the product? >We're a small family owned company run on a shoestring and are always >looking for feedback. I didn't stay there, I closed it down. I'm in the UK anyway and guess the product wouldn't be available here.
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Stovepipe - 04 Dec 2005 05:08 GMT > It's because of people like you that I have had to turn the sound off > my computer at work!! > > Ann It is not my business, but WTF are you doing watching TV at _work_?
Go ahead Ann.... say it again.... :-/
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Ann - 04 Dec 2005 10:32 GMT >> It's because of people like you that I have had to turn the sound off >> my computer at work!! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Go ahead Ann.... say it again.... :-/ No. I wasn't at work. The two bits of information have got munged. At that time as of now, I am at home. I don't do newsgroups at work.
But I was just adding the information that it's badly designed websites ie those with sound, that have forced me to turn the sound off my computer at work. I don't do much at work during Sept, Oct and Nov, apart from be there to field enquiries. (It's not fun by the way, it drives me to distraction, I would far rather be busy.)
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