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ultrasound/laser method for wisdom teeth extraction

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yvag - 29 Nov 2005 22:22 GMT
I am searching for Oral Surgeons who practice this specific method for
extraction of wisdom teeth that are below the gum surface. Hope
somebody in this group will be able to help, or point into the right
direction.
I was told that this method started being practiced about 15 years
ago, and I want to find Oral Surgeon who can perform it. This method
is: in order to extract a wisdom teeth that are below the gum (I
believe they called "impacted"), instead of usual surgery when gum
is cut open and tooth is pulled out, what is being done is: a small
tube is inserted into the gum towards the tooth, then ultrasound/laser
is applied to the tooth to destroy it into the powder state, then it is
sucked out of the gum via the tube. I am probably not describing the
procedure in the right medical terms, but knowledgeable specialists
should definitely recognize this procedure.
Some of the websites I have researched so far:
www.OralSurgery.com
www.1stwisdomteeth.com
www.CompleteDentist.com
www.MedHelps.com
www.LaserDentistry.org (Academy of Laser Dentistry)
www.AAOMS.org (American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons)

None of these websites were able to provide any information on the
above procedure, or where it can be done. The only thing that some of
them did confirm is that this procedure IS possible, given latest
technology innovations in Microsurgery.
What want to find is:
Name and contact information of the Oral Surgeon who practice above
method of impacted wisdom teeth extraction in New England/Northeast
area. (I live in Boston, MA)
Or, if this is not possible, at least the Correct Medical Term for the
above described procedure.

If anyone can answer my questions, or provide any other useful
information, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Regards in
advance.
Amatus Cremona - 29 Nov 2005 23:53 GMT
Try harrypotter.com

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>I am searching for Oral Surgeons who practice this specific method for
> extraction of wisdom teeth that are below the gum surface. Hope
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> information, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Regards in
> advance.
W_B - 30 Nov 2005 15:59 GMT
Good one !

>Try harrypotter.com
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>>I am searching for Oral Surgeons who practice this specific method for
>> extraction of wisdom teeth that are below the gum surface.

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Dartos - 30 Nov 2005 17:38 GMT
> Try harrypotter.com

You have just destroyed quite a few keyboards.

I hope you're happy!

Dartos
Amatus Cremona - 30 Nov 2005 17:51 GMT
yup

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> Dartos
yvag - 30 Nov 2005 19:38 GMT
These wisdom teeth need to come out because they HURT. I would not be
making a fool of myself and post this weird message if they did not
have to be extracted.
Stovepipe, thanks for the BIolase link, I've contacted them.
Amatus Cremona - 30 Nov 2005 20:09 GMT
It would be very unusual for teeth that deeply impacted (as you previously
described them) to be causing pain.  Do you have a diagnosis ?

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> These wisdom teeth need to come out because they HURT. I would not be
> making a fool of myself and post this weird message if they did not
> have to be extracted.
> Stovepipe, thanks for the BIolase link, I've contacted them.
Dartos - 30 Nov 2005 21:00 GMT
> It would be very unusual for teeth that deeply impacted (as you previously
> described them) to be causing pain.  Do you have a diagnosis ?

I agree.  An X-ray would help, but it is unusual for wisdom teeth buried
so deep that surgeons are 'scared' to take them out, to cause pain.

What hurts exactly?  Do you have any headaches, jaw pain, or sensitive
teeth?

Dartos

BTW, I have a Waterlase, and while it may be technically possible to
gradually lase away an entire tooth, it would be virtually impossible
not to zap some bone and other tissue in the process.  It would also
take me a couple of hours (at least).  The deeper the impaction, the
worse the visibility.  The worse the visibility, the more likelihood
of zapping 'other' tissue.
W_B - 30 Nov 2005 20:40 GMT
>These wisdom teeth need to come out because they HURT. I would not be
>making a fool of myself and post this weird message if they did not
>have to be extracted.
>Stovepipe, thanks for the BIolase link, I've contacted them.

For what ?

They only sell the instrument.

Which BTW will not vaporize teeth.

Perhaps you can get someone on the Enterprise to beam you up.
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Stovepipe - 01 Dec 2005 05:23 GMT
> These wisdom teeth need to come out because they HURT. I would not be
> making a fool of myself and post this weird message if they did not
> have to be extracted.
> Stovepipe, thanks for the BIolase link, I've contacted them.

It's cool.... as long as you don't mention my name.
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Ann - 30 Nov 2005 00:24 GMT
You sure you're not thinking of blasting kidney stones??

>I am searching for Oral Surgeons who practice this specific method for
>extraction of wisdom teeth that are below the gum surface. Hope
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>information, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Regards in
>advance.
Bill - 30 Nov 2005 01:55 GMT
> I am searching for Oral Surgeons who practice this specific method for
> extraction of wisdom teeth that are below the gum surface. Hope
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> information, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Regards in
> advance.
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I visited all the websites you listed above, but could not find any
reference to this particular tube/laser/ultrasound technique. Can you
be more specific with the exact web page that describes its existence?

A second question is: why are you more interested in the technique
instead of the abilities of the doctor who would be extracting a wisdom
tooth? Is there any reason to think that the method is more important
than the skills of the individual doctor you choose?

Thanks,
- dentaldoc
Stovepipe - 30 Nov 2005 05:05 GMT
> Is there any reason to think that the method is more important
> than the skills of the individual doctor you choose?

Yes, Bill, there is: It's called _Hype_. I fell for it with the Biolase
WaterLase and the LaserSmile. Fortunately, the LaserSmile was almost
completely re-possessed by the supplier when I started screeming.

The OP has fallen for the 'No pain, incredible healing process'
bullshit.

Can you imagine a process where the TOOTH is pulverized but the
underlying bone is left undamaged?

Even if it were possible, how much $$$$ would each procedure cost?

Just my thoughts on the matter.
SP
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yvag - 30 Nov 2005 05:38 GMT
Hello Dentaldoc,
I'll clarify, I did not explain correctly: above websites did not have
any reference about this tube/laser/ultrasound procedure, but when I
called the organizations (whose phone numbers were listed at these
websites) some of them said that this procedure sounds very possible
given latest technology, however they could not refer specialist who
can do that.
Answer to the second question: the reason I am researching on this
tube/laser/ultrasound method is because my wisdom teeth are way below
the gum surface, almost under the normal teeth. I went to see two oral
surgeons, they honestly refused to do the extractions, because they
said surgery will be very difficult, it may affect facial nerves, and
they will have to destroy couple of normal teeth (under which wisdom
teeth are located). But these wisdom teeth need to be extracted.
Therefore I started researching alternative options. I heard of this
tube/laser/ultrasound method and thought it would be a better/safer
alternative. I do realize that this method sounds weird, but I want to
consider every possible option.
Any professional advice will definitely be helpful.
Regards.
Amatus Cremona - 30 Nov 2005 12:09 GMT
> Any professional advice will definitely be helpful.

Okay, try this.  The technique does not exist, except in dreams.  No one can
do that with today's technology.  Forget about it.

Why do you wisdom teeth need to be removed?  If they are diseased and MUST
come out, you need to find a surgeon (not a GP) who does this stuff and have
him explain the risks to you properly.  First make certain the wisdom teeth
MUST come out.

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> Hello Dentaldoc,
> I'll clarify, I did not explain correctly: above websites did not have
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> Any professional advice will definitely be helpful.
> Regards.
Dartos - 30 Nov 2005 17:43 GMT
 But these wisdom teeth need to be extracted.

Why?

Dartos
Bill - 03 Dec 2005 19:28 GMT
> Hello Dentaldoc,
> I'll clarify, I did not explain correctly: above websites did not have
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> given latest technology, however they could not refer specialist who
> can do that.

If all they said was this procedure "sounds possible," and did NOT say
that there are doctors actually doing this procedure, then perhaps this
procedure does not exist!

> Answer to the second question: the reason I am researching on this
> tube/laser/ultrasound method is because my wisdom teeth are way below
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> they will have to destroy couple of normal teeth (under which wisdom
> teeth are located).

Are they oral surgeons (fully-qualified specialists) or are they
general dentists without the specialty status?

> But these wisdom teeth need to be extracted.

Why? Who actually made the diagnosis?

> Therefore I started researching alternative options. I heard of this
> tube/laser/ultrasound method and thought it would be a better/safer
> alternative.

Where did you hear of it? I have looked all over and I can't find it,
and the experienced dentists on this forum don't know of it either.

Is is possible that this procedure is merely a subject of current
speculation, or a proposal for future research, and really doesn't
exist yet?

- dentaldoc
Steven Bornfeld - 30 Nov 2005 03:06 GMT
> I am searching for Oral Surgeons who practice this specific method for
> extraction of wisdom teeth that are below the gum surface. Hope
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> information, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Regards in
> advance.

    I have NEVER heard of this.  It sounds rather dicey to me.

Steve
Stovepipe - 30 Nov 2005 05:05 GMT
> then ultrasound/laser
> is applied to the tooth to destroy it into the powder state, then it is
> sucked out of the gum via the tube

Access the 'Contact Us' link for the Biolase page:

http://www.biolase.com

and ask them. I doubt you will find anything approved for general use,
but there may be educators experimenting with the technique. Biolase
should be able to help you.

.... Just _don't_ tell them StovePipe sent you...

HTH
SP
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Joel M. Eichen - 01 Dec 2005 02:08 GMT
>I am searching for Oral Surgeons who practice this specific method for
>extraction of wisdom teeth that are below the gum surface. Hope
>somebody in this group will be able to help, or point into the right
>direction.

I am dental surgeon, not oral surgeon, but I am expert at this.

Joel

> I was told that this method started being practiced about 15 years
>ago, and I want to find Oral Surgeon who can perform it. This method
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>information, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Regards in
>advance.
CWatters - 01 Dec 2005 17:25 GMT
> I am searching for Oral Surgeons who practice this specific method for
> extraction of wisdom teeth that are below the gum surface.

The nearest I could find was this...
http://vdc.dentistindia.com/rootcanaltreatment.asp
Quote "Ultrasonic devices allow doctors to more efficiently and completely
remove old root canal filling materials and other intra-canal obstructions
so that teeth may be successfully retreated".
yvag - 01 Dec 2005 20:13 GMT
thanks to all for useful advices.
 
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