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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / November 2005Mt. Pleasant Votes Return To Fluoride
Read about it here: http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/pubs/adanews/adanewsarticle.asp?articleid=1684 I especially like this quote [from a rabid anti-fluoride organizer]: "'People trust their dentist,' Mitchell said. 'It's just real sad.' " > I especially like this quote [from a rabid anti-fluoride organizer]: > > "'People trust their dentist,' Mitchell said. 'It's just real sad.' " It's real sad because dentists don't know anything about how fluoride works in the body or that the scientific literature tell us children already get too much fluoride from their food supply. Dentists misinform their patients on a daily basis about fluoride. Some of it posted on the internet. If you want your cavity drilled and filled, go to a dentist. If you want to know the truth about the health effects of fluoride, hit the books yourself. Dentists are well-meaning but misguided individuals when it comes to ingestion of fluoride, which is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. Fluoride is just another drug with side effects. Who's checking for side effects? Test your dentists, see if he knows what they are. You can easily find the side effect, yourself, on the internet. Then you will agree with the statement that it's really sad that people trust their dentists about fluoride. You can start here: www.FluorideAction.Net NYS Coalition Oppposed to Fluoridation, Inc. www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof >>I especially like this quote [from a rabid anti-fluoride organizer]: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > NYS Coalition Oppposed to Fluoridation, Inc. > www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof There are large areas in China where the water contains huge amounts of fluoride naturally. The only reported negative effect of all this fluoride is that loads of Chinese have a particular discoloration of the teeth. Chinese dentists seem to be pretty happy about this, because since incomes in China are growing, Chinese now have the money to spend on having their dentist whiten their teeth. Dentists in those areas don't have that much else to do since there aren't that many cavities to fill. There are no, zero, zilch, none, nada, zip reports of any other adverse effects of all that fluoride. > >>I especially like this quote [from a rabid anti-fluoride organizer]: > >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > There are no, zero, zilch, none, nada, zip reports of any other adverse > effects of all that fluoride. There are also locations in India where there is excessive fluoride in the water. The effects are horrifying. People with deformed and bent limbs, mouths completely devoid of teeth, organ diseases, etc. Fluride is a toxic waste turned into a drug. TC >>>>I especially like this quote [from a rabid anti-fluoride organizer]: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > the water. The effects are horrifying. People with deformed and bent > limbs, mouths completely devoid of teeth, organ diseases, etc. Since there is the area in China where there is no effect, then the problems in India must be attributable to some other cause. > Fluride is a toxic waste turned into a drug. > > TC > > There are also locations in India where there is excessive fluoride in > > the water. The effects are horrifying. People with deformed and bent > > limbs, mouths completely devoid of teeth, organ diseases, etc. ...Dose > Since there is the area in China where there is no effect, then the > problems in India must be attributable to some other cause. ......Dose > > Fluride is a toxic waste turned into a drug. ............Dose. Also: Why go to China and Innnnndia for your statistics and descriptions??? Google: "Colorado Brown Staining"... Most of youse can get to Colorado without a Passport.... Nothing is safe if its dose is too high or too low. It would be great if people would eat the right foods, remember to brush early and often, pass the floss at least once per day, take thier brushes to work with them, and stop cancelling the recall appoinements with the dentist so we can catch things early... But..... They WON'T; they DON'T; they SHANT; they WON'T; they WILL; they DO; and so _we_ CAN'T... All because of a dose that can easily be measured.... MaMa Mia... SP  SignatureTake out the TRAASH to reply Stovepipe schrieb: > Also: Why go to China and Innnnndia for your statistics and > descriptions??? Google: "Colorado Brown Staining"... Most of youse can > get to Colorado without a Passport.... Also: "Texas Teeth" --- History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation: http://www.fluoride-history.de/index.htm --- > Nothing is safe if its dose is too high or too low. There is absolutely no evidence that low levels of fluoride lead to tooth decay. Ugandan children have less tooth decay than American children even though the Ugandans have no fluoride in the water or food supply, don't even own a toothbrush, don't know what toothpaste is and have no access to dental care, So obviously lack of fluoride, or low levels as you suggest, does not lead to tooth decay. NYS Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof > Ugandan children have less tooth decay than American children even > though the Ugandans have no fluoride in the water or food supply, > don't even own a toothbrush, don't know what toothpaste is and have no > access to dental care, Now, what'd I just say? *It would be great if people would eat the right foods, ....* You always leave that little part out. NYC is not Uganda. Live in your own REAL WORLD: Corner store on every street corner; more sugar in the super market than a whole plantation in Jamaica... SP SignatureTake out the TRAASH to reply Stovepipe schrieb: > Now, what'd I just say? > > *It would be great if people would eat the right foods, ....* - but, as this is not the case, it´s OK to force the fluoride down their throats. Amen. PM > You always leave that little part out. NYC is not Uganda. Live in your > own REAL WORLD: Corner store on every street corner; more sugar in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Take out the TRAASH to reply Nothing would be left then ... :-) --- History of fluorine, fluoride, and fluoridation: http://www.fluoride-history.de/index.htm --- > Stovepipe schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > - but, as this is not the case, it´s OK to force the fluoride down their > throats. Amen. Non, Peter, I think you are reading a bit too much into what I schrieb-ed: I don't believe that one should have to have Fluoride shov-ed down one's throat. However, in the West, we have a problem with sugar in all its forms: one only has to read the schrieb-ings of William (or was it Peter?) Dufty in his book *Sugar Blues*. It is no accident that diabetes is such an endemic disease in the West, as is dental caries. Did you know that we cannot get canned vegetables without sugar being packed in with them? And as I say below: it is no accident that the average North American consumer leaves the supermarket here with the choices s/he has made; unless s/he has schrieb-en a specific shopping list in advance, the chances are that s/he will be influenced by what food items fall into his or her field of view. Who do you think plans those placements of food items that fall into his or her view? The shelf spaces are bought and sold and auctioned and rented as one more commodity, similar to the commodities that will fill them. The sugar industry is so large that it permeates almost all other food industries, and even, for example, funds whole laboratories at major Universites. Apart from Fluoride, there is prescious little one can do to protect the dentition of those who will not or cannot maintain acceptable oral hygiene. Hence, as I schrieb to NYCetc., one must live in the Real World; and for most of us, that world contains truck-loads of sugar. Would that it were otherwise, and before the ships started bringing the stuff to Europe in the past centuries, it _was_. Ainsi soit-il... > > > You always leave that little part out. NYC is not Uganda. Live in your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nothing would be left then ... :-) Many times, I would agree with you; I often schrieb nothing but nonsense and clown-ing. I don't know how it is _now_ in Europe, but when I was in high school in Suisse, there were table sized palettes of chocholate in every store. I wouldn't bet it has changed much. Cheers SP > --- > History of fluorine, fluoride, and fluoridation: > http://www.fluoride-history.de/index.htm > --- SignatureTake out the TRAASH to reply > Non, Peter, I think you are reading a bit too much into what I > schrieb-ed: I don't believe that one should have to have Fluoride [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Cheers > SP Stovie: We all know you can schrieb with the best of 'em. Steve > >>>Take out the TRAASH to reply > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Steve Aw,, thanks, SB.... I so do try to schrieb well... ;-) 'Wish I had learned German when I was over there though... SP SignatureTake out the TRAASH to reply Hi SP, we agree absolutely as far as sugar is concerned. > Non, Peter, I think you are reading a bit too much into what I > schrieb-ed: I don't believe that one should have to have Fluoride [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > permeates almost all other food industries, and even, for example, funds > whole laboratories at major Universites. It´s even worse: since May 1937 several Governments sign sugar treaties (every few years for a few years) in which quota for sugar import and export are regulated. Countries which import sugar have to agree to increase per capita sugar consumption. So fluoride serves also to excuse economic interests (in the sense of: you can eat as much sugar as you like as long as you do not forget to get the fluoride). Lectures by the Sugar Bureau (London), the main office of the sugar industry, speak for themselves. A google search for "international sugar treaty" will provide a lot of related stuff. I think I also have a link to the treaty series on my homepage. > Apart from Fluoride, there is prescious little one can do to protect the > dentition of those who will not or cannot maintain acceptable oral > hygiene. (1) Fluoride is no appropriate substitute for oral hygiene. I guess we agree here. (2) Fluoride as used in water (or salt) fluoridation has not been proven to be effective (despite assertions to the contrary; read the statistics with an open mind; you learned enough -as a dentist- to see the importance (yet neglect in statistics) of tooth development (even the early fluoridators knew that -Henry Klein & Co.- yet chose to abuse this knowledge for their purpose!). (3) You can show increased or decreased caries incidence in communities just by creation of "adequate" study groups. (4) Topical application of high fluoride concentrations is something quite different. > Ainsi soit-il... I could think the same way about fluoride. Yet, I don´t. > > > Take out the TRAASH to reply > > > > Nothing would be left then ... :-) > > Many times, I would agree with you; I often schrieb nothing but > nonsense and clown-ing. No personal attack intended. I just couldn´t resist to make a stupid remark ... > I don't know how it is _now_ in Europe, but when > I was in high school in Suisse, there were table sized palettes of > chocholate in every store. I wouldn't bet it has changed much. I don´t know about Switzerland handles that nowadays, but it´s still the same thing here in Germany. By the way, some years ago Switzerland considered to leave the sugar treaty nations. I don´t know, however, if they really did. Best, Peter --- History of fluorine, fluoride, and fluoridation: http://www.fluoride-history.de/index.htm --- > It´s even worse: since May 1937 several Governments sign sugar treaties > (every few years for a few years) in which quota for sugar import and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > provide a lot of related stuff. I think I also have a link to the treaty > series on my homepage. Dufty touches on this in his book as well. > > > Apart from Fluoride, there is prescious little one can do to protect the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > early fluoridators knew that -Henry Klein & Co.- yet chose to abuse this > knowledge for their purpose!). Yes, from what I've heard, this is also true. > (3) You can show increased or decreased caries incidence in communities > just by creation of "adequate" study groups. > (4) Topical application of high fluoride concentrations is something > quite different. This sounds reasonable to me as well; most Nort Americans brush their teeth (when they do) with flouridated tooth paste. Therefore topical application should be enough. > > Ainsi soit-il... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > No personal attack intended. I just couldn´t resist to make a stupid > remark ... I know, and it was a good one... one I hadn't seen before... That is why I schrieb-ed back. > > I don't know how it is _now_ in Europe, but when > > I was in high school in Suisse, there were table sized palettes of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > By the way, some years ago Switzerland considered to leave the sugar > treaty nations. I don´t know, however, if they really did. I absolutely CANNOT see _why_ a country with such an obviously high income from the sugar/chocolate industry would want to opt out. It would be shooting themselves in the foot. I don't believe it would be for ethical reasons. That would be Eutopic.... > Best, > Peter [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.fluoride-history.de/index.htm > --- Always a great website for the thinking person to visit :-) Cheers SP SignatureTake out the TRAASH to reply . Live in your > own REAL WORLD: In the real world, bad diet leads to bad teeth and no amounts of fluoride will change that. In my real world in New York State , non-fluoridated Nassau County has less tooth decay than bordering New York City (which as been fluoridated for decades). There's no need for fluoride, no where, no how. End of real world story Where did you get the notion that ingested fluoride reduces tooth decay anyway? Did you study it or did they just tell you to believe it in school, like grade school children who are told Columbus discovered America but still haven't advanced their knowledge by reading the data that disproves the fairy tale. www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof > In my real world in New York State , non-fluoridated Nassau County has > less tooth decay than bordering New York City (which as been [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > End of real world story Your "real world stories" appear full of deceptive statistics. Are all other factors equal when comparing Nassau and New York City? Here is a hint...Median Household income... Nassau County...$80,647 New York City...$47,415 (New York County) Queens County, NY...$45,595 Brooklyn...$35,168 Bronx...$27,331 Think this might have anything to do with it?? This is my real world as well, and having treated a lot of teeth in these areas, I can assure you that there are factors other than fluoride that will influence the decay rate. > Where did you get the notion that ingested fluoride reduces tooth decay > anyway? Did you study it or did they just tell you to believe it in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof Far better to base one's opinion on deceptive statistics!! T > . Live in your > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > less tooth decay than bordering New York City (which as been > fluoridated for decades). Paul-- Do you have a reference for caries rates in NY State, by county? Thanks, Steve > There's no need for fluoride, no where, no how. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof > Where did you get the notion that ingested fluoride reduces tooth decay > anyway? We know that topical is sufficient. SP SignatureTake out the TRAASH to reply > > Nothing is safe if its dose is too high or too low. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > NYS Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation > www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof Is that what it proves? Are ALL other factors equal when one compares a Ugandan with an American? I am hoping this was just a weak moment and your "coalition" doesn't really need to resort to such utter bullshit to make its point. T John Doe sounds like a mininformed dentist. They are usually the ones who say there's zero side effects of fluoride. Everybody else just doesn't care. About fluoride causing harm. Check out these individuals in Nalgonda, India, who drink too much fluoride from their water supply http://www.nalgonda.org/flourosis.php Too much fluoride causes crippling skeletal fluorosis as the photos at the above link show. Of course, this is extreme. However, we don't know if that happens in the U.S. because no one is looking for it. The early warning signs of skeletal fluorosis are similar to arthritis and Irritable Bowel Syndrome. For example, a woman who drank too much instant ice tea (tea contains fluoride naturally) developed skeletal fluorosis which was correctly diagnosed only after seeing many physicians. See story here: "Potentially Harmful Fluoride Levels Found in Some Instant Tea" http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-01/wuso-phf012505.php And read more about fluoride's effect on bones here:: http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/bone/index.html Anyone who says fluoride has zero adverse effects is either ignorant, has a political agend to promote fluoridation or is just a flamer.. New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof > >>I especially like this quote [from a rabid anti-fluoride organizer]: > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Dentists are well-meaning but misguided individuals when it comes to > > ingestion of fluoride, which is neithe r a nutrient nor essential for > > healthy teeth. Fluoride is just another drug with side effects. Who's > > checking for side effects? Test your dentists, see if he knows what [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > There are no, zero, zilch, none, nada, zip reports of any other adverse > effects of all that fluoride. >>I especially like this quote [from a rabid anti-fluoride organizer]: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > NYS Coalition Oppposed to Fluoridation, Inc. > www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof I saw you on News4. Man, were you rude. You would not let the other person finish a sentence and constantly interrupted him. I wrote to the station criticizing them on allowing you to run amok as you did. Note that this is just my opinion. > Read about it here: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > "'People trust their dentist,' Mitchell said. 'It's just real sad.' " Sounds a titch like communism. Collectively spending the collectives tax dollars to treat the collective water supply to improve the health of the collective. The individuals rights come secondary to the collectives rights. TC >Sounds a titch like Tha'd be *tetch" Like: You be tetched in da haid ! -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com |
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