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Should I proceed with crown?
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Kurt L. - 16 Nov 2005 00:51 GMT Hi,
Free advice is worth what you get, but I wonder if the practitioners on the list might comment on my situation...
Five weeks ago I got a sharp stabbing pain in my lower jaw while chewing something (a sandwich, I think). Four days later I was in at the dentist, where I learned that I had cracked filling, with a cavity that had developed beneath it. After removing the filling, the dentist learned that I also had a slightly cracked tooth. He prepped me for a crown, put some medicine on the top of the tooth (Gerestore?), and installed a temporary crown. I was to leave the crown on for a month, and then come back for either a simple crown or a root canal and a crown.
I was in a fair amount of pain the first week, which I managed with aspirin. It wasn't so bad that I couldn't sleep, but I wasn't sleeping great. After a week the pain eased off and it seemed like I was kind of in the clear.
Second week was better, and I took no medication at all. I do recall that in this period the tooth was incredibly sensitive to cold temperatures - I had an ice cream cone that I didn't enjoy that week.
Midway through the third week, some pain came back. I called the doc, and he suggested that I try single-dosage ibuprofen and call back over the weekend. I took the ibuprofen (and its close cousin, naproxen, at night), and that seemed to knock the pain down pretty effectively. I was able to sleep OK again. The doc's take on this was that the ibuprofen was mostly acting to reduce inflammation, and thus not indicative of an abcess.
By the way, the ibuprofen seemed to have an odd side effect with me: I had to take it continuously every four to six hours, or else there would be what I called exit pain, and entry pain. Exit pain was a pain that would occur as the drug wore off, and entry pain was pain that occurred when I took the drug after being off it for 8 hours or more. The funny thing about the entry/exit pain was that other teeth, like teeth on the upper side of my jaws, would hurt. It took me a while to figure out that this was what was happening, but once I got to taking single-dosage ibuprofen steadily the pain leveled out, and diminished.
After four weeks I went in to see the dentist again. I took an ibuprofen at 5 am, but let it expire without taking another before my 1 pm appointment. I did an ice cream sensitivity/ hot tea test just before the appointment, and had no pain from either. I was still sensitive to him tapping on it, however. I had been pretty pain-free for 48 hours since going onto steady ibuprofen, but it wasn't clear whether a root canal was called for. We made an agreement to wait another two weeks without disturbing the temporary crown.
For the past ten days I've been off any medication, and not had any issues. I can chew on it without pain, though the temporary crown seems a little high so I chew carefully.
I guess my worry, which is probably just me over-worrying, is this: is this too good to be true, meaning that the tooth has just settled down completely, or is it possible that the tooth nerve has just died? or ??? In the five weeks of this saga I've never had pain on the underside of my jaw, nor swollen glands (that I can tell, anyway). It seems like I should be in the clear... but is there any reason not to just go ahead with the crown and be done with it?
Thanks for your advice.
Kurt
Amatus Cremona - 16 Nov 2005 03:48 GMT >I guess my worry, which is probably just me over-worrying, is this: is >this too good to be true, meaning that the tooth has just settled down [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >seems like I should be in the clear... but is there any reason not to >just go ahead with the crown and be done with it? You describe a tooth in need of RCT right away .
Amatus
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Dartos - 16 Nov 2005 14:21 GMT Cracked teeth can be troublesome to deal with. You don't want to jump in and do a root canal or every cracked tooth you see, but trying the most conservative treatment first is sometimes not effective in correcting all that is wrong with the tooth.
I agree with Amatus (even though he practices in rural Missouri where the dentists are no more than stupid tooth carpenters <G>).
The amount of pain after the temporary crown is an indication that the pulp is not healthy. If it were my tooth, I would have already had the endo.
Best wishes, Dartos
>>I guess my worry, which is probably just me over-worrying, is this: is >>this too good to be true, meaning that the tooth has just settled down [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Amatus Amatus Cremona - 16 Nov 2005 15:33 GMT > I agree with Amatus (even though he practices in rural Missouri > where the dentists are no more than stupid tooth carpenters <G>). Bubba and I resemble that remark. :-)))
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> > Cracked teeth can be troublesome to deal with. You don't want to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> Amatus W_B - 16 Nov 2005 16:15 GMT Out hear in Ar-Kansas, us idiot tooth carpenters would have done RCT right away.
>Cracked teeth can be troublesome to deal with. You don't want to >jump in and do a root canal or every cracked tooth you see, but [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Amatus --
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Dartos - 16 Nov 2005 16:51 GMT You guys are a riot! D
> Out hear in Ar-Kansas, us idiot tooth carpenters would have > done RCT right away. Stovepipe - 19 Nov 2005 04:46 GMT > I agree with Amatus (even though he practices in rural Missouri > where the dentists are no more than stupid tooth carpenters <G>). Yes... He's now in Shelbina, I believe...
> The amount of pain after the temporary crown is an indication that > the pulp is not healthy. If it were my tooth, I would have already > had the endo. Yes... if not now then two years down the road... not good after investing in the crown. SP
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W_B - 16 Nov 2005 15:54 GMT >>I guess my worry, which is probably just me over-worrying, is this: is >>this too good to be true, meaning that the tooth has just settled down [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Amatus I tend to agree. Would like to see a radiograph.
Reminds me of JmE's 'swan song' analogy. --
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Kurt L. - 17 Nov 2005 05:09 GMT OK, so the opinions seems unanimous (anonymous strangers on the internet!)... just so I know, what happens if the nerve has died and I haven't had the root canal - does it eventually turn into an abcess that has to be dealt with via RCT anyway?
Many thanks.
Kurt
Amatus Cremona - 17 Nov 2005 15:00 GMT > what happens if the nerve has died and I > haven't had the root canal - does it eventually turn into an abscess > that has to be dealt with via RCT anyway? Lets see. You could get a swollen face. It could become uncomfortable. The abscess can spread to adjacent teeth. It could hurt real bad. You can get some numbness. Under the right conditions, it can spread down your neck to your chest and involve your heart (happened to one of my patients). Did I mention pain ? The tooth can get loose. Adjacent teeth can get loose. Bad breath. I probably left some out.
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> OK, so the opinions seems unanimous (anonymous strangers on the > internet!)... just so I know, what happens if the nerve has died and I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Kurt W_B - 17 Nov 2005 17:17 GMT >> what happens if the nerve has died and I >> haven't had the root canal - does it eventually turn into an abscess [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >mention pain ? The tooth can get loose. Adjacent teeth can get loose. Bad >breath. I probably left some out. How about: Dental problems left untreated only get worse ? --
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Stovepipe - 19 Nov 2005 04:46 GMT > >> what happens if the nerve has died and I > >> haven't had the root canal - does it eventually turn into an abscess [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > How about: Dental problems left untreated only get worse ? > -- My own favorite: the tooth will become quiescent, leading the patient to think that things have gotten better... Then one day the pain comes back, I take a photo, and say that I can no longer see any canals in the tooth. I send the photo to the Local Endo Speciallist (ALL HAIL!!!) and he phones and says that he can't do any better a job than _I_ could... meaning the patient loses the tooth due to internal chronic calcifications.
GET THE ROOTH CANAL DONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The trauma induced in further treatment to sculpt the tooth for a crown will probably damage it further. You will be living with a rather expensive ticking bomb...
GET THE ROOTH CANAL DONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Personally, I'd reinforce this tooth with a copper band at the first root canal treatment session.
SP
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W_B - 21 Nov 2005 17:16 GMT >> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:00:19 GMT, "Amatus Cremona" <Nicola@sottovocce.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >meaning the patient loses the tooth due to internal chronic >calcifications. Send it here, I can do it.
Hand me a #6.
>GET THE ROOTH CANAL DONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >SP Copper is too soft. Use a SS Ortho band. --
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Stovepipe - 22 Nov 2005 06:01 GMT > I take a photo, and say that I can no longer see any canals in the > >tooth. I send the photo to the Local Endo Speciallist (ALL HAIL!!!) and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hand me a #6. Ah.... yes... but that's because _you_ want to save teeth... _He_ wants to make $$$$$$. big Big BIg BIG difference...
What burns me is that he _could_ do it.... buuuuttttt NnNnNnAaAaAaHhHhHh!.... Too much work....
> >GET THE ROOTH CANAL DONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Use a SS Ortho band. > -- How long does it take you to put one of those on? (On a lower first molar with tight contacts on either side)?
Thanks SP
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W_B - 22 Nov 2005 15:02 GMT >> Use a SS Ortho band. >> -- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Thanks >SP Especially since you are going to crown the tooth, cut the proximal contacts with a thin flame diamond if needed. --
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W_B - 22 Nov 2005 15:22 GMT >>> Use a SS Ortho band. >>> -- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Especially since you are going to crown the tooth, cut the >proximal contacts with a thin flame diamond if needed. Another option is to cement a SSC in place and make an acess through it, you can even cut out the entire occlusal.
You may have to prep the tooth somewhat to fit the SSC. --
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Philip Atooth - 22 Nov 2005 17:57 GMT I have done that lots of times. If the tooth will be crowned soon, you can use an extra large SSC and only have to buzz the proximals.
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>>>> Use a SS Ortho band.
>>Especially since you are going to crown the tooth, cut the >>proximal contacts with a thin flame diamond if needed. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Stovepipe - 23 Nov 2005 06:39 GMT > I have done that lots of times. If the tooth will be crowned soon, you can > use an extra large SSC and only have to buzz the proximals. I sure sounds good. I'm gonna try it.. Thanks SP
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Stovepipe - 23 Nov 2005 06:39 GMT > >>How long does it take you to put [an ortho band] on? (On a lower first > >>molar with tight contacts on either side)? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > W_B Now, _that_ sounds like a really do-able option. Thanks SP
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W_B - 23 Nov 2005 15:36 GMT >> >>How long does it take you to put [an ortho band] on? (On a lower first >> >>molar with tight contacts on either side)? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Thanks >SP And it's likely cheaper than ortho bands. --
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