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Should I proceed with crown?

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Kurt L. - 16 Nov 2005 00:51 GMT
Hi,

Free advice is worth what you get, but I wonder if the practitioners on
the list might comment on my situation...

Five weeks ago I got a sharp stabbing pain in my lower jaw while
chewing something (a sandwich, I think).  Four days later I was in at
the dentist, where I learned that I had cracked filling, with a cavity
that had developed beneath it.  After removing the filling, the dentist
learned that I also had a slightly cracked tooth.  He prepped me for a
crown, put some medicine on the top of the tooth (Gerestore?), and
installed a temporary crown.  I was to leave the crown on for a month,
and then come back for either a simple crown or a root canal and a
crown.

I was in a fair amount of pain the first week, which I managed with
aspirin.  It wasn't so bad that I couldn't sleep, but I wasn't sleeping
great.  After a week the pain eased off and it seemed like I was kind
of in the clear.

Second week was better, and I took no medication at all.   I do recall
that in this period the tooth was incredibly sensitive to cold
temperatures - I had an ice cream cone that I didn't enjoy that week.

Midway through the third week, some pain came back.  I called the doc,
and he suggested that I try single-dosage ibuprofen and call back over
the weekend.  I took the ibuprofen (and its close cousin, naproxen, at
night), and that seemed to knock the pain down pretty effectively.  I
was able to sleep OK again.  The doc's take on this was that the
ibuprofen was mostly acting to reduce inflammation, and thus not
indicative of an abcess.

By the way, the ibuprofen seemed to have an odd side effect with me: I
had to take it continuously every four to six hours, or else there
would be what I called exit pain, and entry pain.  Exit pain was a pain
that would occur as the drug wore off, and entry pain was pain that
occurred when I took the drug after being off it for 8 hours or more.
The funny thing about the entry/exit pain was that other teeth, like
teeth on the upper side of my jaws, would hurt.  It took me a while to
figure out that this was what was happening, but once I got to taking
single-dosage ibuprofen steadily the pain leveled out, and diminished.

After four weeks I went in to see the dentist again.  I took an
ibuprofen at 5 am, but let it expire without taking another before my 1
pm appointment.  I did an ice cream sensitivity/ hot tea test just
before the appointment, and had no pain from either. I was still
sensitive to him tapping on it, however.  I had been pretty pain-free
for 48 hours since going onto steady ibuprofen, but it wasn't clear
whether a root canal was called for.  We made an agreement to wait
another two weeks without disturbing the temporary crown.

For the past ten days I've been off any medication, and not had any
issues.  I can chew on it without pain, though the temporary crown
seems a little high so I chew carefully.

I guess my worry, which is probably just me over-worrying, is this: is
this too good to be true,  meaning that the tooth has just settled down
completely, or is it possible that the tooth nerve has just died? or
???  In the five weeks of this saga I've never had pain on the
underside of my jaw, nor swollen glands (that I can tell, anyway).  It
seems like I should be in the clear... but is there any reason not to
just go ahead with the crown and be done with it?

Thanks for your advice.

Kurt
Amatus Cremona - 16 Nov 2005 03:48 GMT
>I guess my worry, which is probably just me over-worrying, is this: is
>this too good to be true,  meaning that the tooth has just settled down
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>seems like I should be in the clear... but is there any reason not to
>just go ahead with the crown and be done with it?

You describe a tooth in need of RCT right away .

Amatus

>Hi,
>
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>
>Kurt

..

Amatus

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Dartos - 16 Nov 2005 14:21 GMT
Cracked teeth can be troublesome to deal with.  You don't want to
jump in and do a root canal or every cracked tooth you see, but
trying the most conservative treatment first is sometimes not
effective in correcting all that is wrong with the tooth.

I agree with Amatus (even though he practices in rural Missouri
where the dentists are no more than stupid tooth carpenters <G>).

The amount of pain after the temporary crown is an indication that
the pulp is not healthy.  If it were my tooth, I would have already
had the endo.

Best wishes,
Dartos

>>I guess my worry, which is probably just me over-worrying, is this: is
>>this too good to be true,  meaning that the tooth has just settled down
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>  Amatus
Amatus Cremona - 16 Nov 2005 15:33 GMT
> I agree with Amatus (even though he practices in rural Missouri
> where the dentists are no more than stupid tooth carpenters <G>).

Bubba and I resemble that remark.  :-)))

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> Cracked teeth can be troublesome to deal with.  You don't want to
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>>  Amatus
W_B - 16 Nov 2005 16:15 GMT
Out hear in Ar-Kansas, us idiot tooth carpenters would have
done RCT right away.

>Cracked teeth can be troublesome to deal with.  You don't want to
>jump in and do a root canal or every cracked tooth you see, but
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>>
>>  Amatus

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Dartos - 16 Nov 2005 16:51 GMT
You guys are a riot!
D

> Out hear in Ar-Kansas, us idiot tooth carpenters would have
> done RCT right away.
Stovepipe - 19 Nov 2005 04:46 GMT
> I agree with Amatus (even though he practices in rural Missouri
> where the dentists are no more than stupid tooth carpenters <G>).

Yes... He's now in Shelbina, I believe...

> The amount of pain after the temporary crown is an indication that
> the pulp is not healthy.  If it were my tooth, I would have already
> had the endo.

Yes... if not now then two years down the road... not good after
investing in the crown.
SP
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W_B - 16 Nov 2005 15:54 GMT
>>I guess my worry, which is probably just me over-worrying, is this: is
>>this too good to be true,  meaning that the tooth has just settled down
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>
> Amatus

I tend to agree. Would like to see a radiograph.

Reminds me of JmE's 'swan song' analogy.
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Kurt L. - 17 Nov 2005 05:09 GMT
OK, so the opinions seems unanimous (anonymous strangers on the
internet!)... just so I know, what happens if the nerve has died and I
haven't had the root canal - does it eventually turn into an abcess
that has to be dealt with via RCT anyway?

Many thanks.

Kurt
Amatus Cremona - 17 Nov 2005 15:00 GMT
> what happens if the nerve has died and I
> haven't had the root canal - does it eventually turn into an abscess
> that has to be dealt with via RCT anyway?

Lets see.  You could get a swollen face. It could become uncomfortable. The
abscess can spread to adjacent teeth.  It could hurt real bad. You can get
some numbness.  Under the right conditions, it can spread down your neck to
your chest and involve your heart (happened to one of my patients).  Did I
mention pain ?  The tooth can get loose.  Adjacent teeth can get loose.  Bad
breath.  I probably left some out.

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> OK, so the opinions seems unanimous (anonymous strangers on the
> internet!)... just so I know, what happens if the nerve has died and I
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> Kurt
W_B - 17 Nov 2005 17:17 GMT
>> what happens if the nerve has died and I
>> haven't had the root canal - does it eventually turn into an abscess
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>mention pain ?  The tooth can get loose.  Adjacent teeth can get loose.  Bad
>breath.  I probably left some out.

How about: Dental problems left untreated only get worse ?
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Stovepipe - 19 Nov 2005 04:46 GMT
> >> what happens if the nerve has died and I
> >> haven't had the root canal - does it eventually turn into an abscess
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> How about: Dental problems left untreated only get worse ?
> --
My own favorite: the tooth will become quiescent, leading the patient to
think that things have gotten better... Then one day the pain comes
back, I take a photo, and say that I can no longer see any canals in the
tooth. I send the photo to the Local Endo Speciallist (ALL HAIL!!!) and
he phones and says that he can't do any better a job than _I_ could...
meaning the patient loses the tooth due to internal chronic
calcifications.

GET THE ROOTH CANAL DONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The trauma induced in further treatment to sculpt the tooth for a crown
will probably damage it further. You will be living with a rather
expensive ticking bomb...

GET THE ROOTH CANAL DONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally, I'd reinforce this tooth with a copper band at the first
root canal treatment session.

SP

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W_B - 21 Nov 2005 17:16 GMT
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:00:19 GMT, "Amatus Cremona" <Nicola@sottovocce.com>
>wrote:
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>meaning the patient loses the tooth due to internal chronic
>calcifications.

Send it here, I can do it.

Hand me a #6.

>GET THE ROOTH CANAL DONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
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>
>SP

Copper is too soft.
Use a SS Ortho band.
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Stovepipe - 22 Nov 2005 06:01 GMT
> I take a photo, and say that I can no longer see any canals in the
> >tooth. I send the photo to the Local Endo Speciallist (ALL HAIL!!!) and
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>
> Hand me a #6.

Ah.... yes... but that's because _you_ want to save teeth... _He_ wants
to make $$$$$$.  big Big BIg BIG difference...

What burns me is that he _could_ do it.... buuuuttttt
NnNnNnAaAaAaHhHhHh!.... Too much work....

> >GET THE ROOTH CANAL DONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
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> Use a SS Ortho band.
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How long does it take you to put one of those on? (On a lower first
molar with tight contacts on either side)?

Thanks
SP
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W_B - 22 Nov 2005 15:02 GMT
>> Use a SS Ortho band.
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>Thanks
>SP

Especially since you are going to crown the tooth, cut the
proximal contacts with a thin flame diamond if needed.
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W_B - 22 Nov 2005 15:22 GMT
>>> Use a SS Ortho band.
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>Especially since you are going to crown the tooth, cut the
>proximal contacts with a thin flame diamond if needed.

Another option is to cement a SSC in place and make
an acess through it, you can even cut out the entire
occlusal.

You may have to prep the tooth somewhat to fit the SSC.
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Philip Atooth - 22 Nov 2005 17:57 GMT
I have done that lots of times.  If the tooth will be crowned soon, you can
use an extra large SSC and only have to buzz the proximals.

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>>>> Use a SS Ortho band.

>>Especially since you are going to crown the tooth, cut the
>>proximal contacts with a thin flame diamond if needed.
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Stovepipe - 23 Nov 2005 06:39 GMT
> I have done that lots of times.  If the tooth will be crowned soon, you can
> use an extra large SSC and only have to buzz the proximals.

I sure sounds good. I'm gonna try it..
Thanks
SP
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Stovepipe - 23 Nov 2005 06:39 GMT
> >>How long does it take you to put [an ortho band] on? (On a lower first
> >>molar with tight contacts on either side)?
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>
> W_B

Now, _that_ sounds like a really do-able option.
Thanks
SP
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W_B - 23 Nov 2005 15:36 GMT
>> >>How long does it take you to put [an ortho band] on? (On a lower first
>> >>molar with tight contacts on either side)?
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>Thanks
>SP

And it's likely cheaper than ortho bands.
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