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vivacious_rupali@yahoo.co.in - 10 Nov 2005 13:20 GMT
i am a dental student from india and would like to know  how far stem
cell research has reached.i believe there is immense potential to
regenerate new teeth in place of those that are lost...infact not just
teeth but other tissues as well.artificial substitutes certainly are no
match for natural teeth.
Amatus Cremona - 10 Nov 2005 14:10 GMT
>would like to know  how far stem
> cell research has reached.

Have you done a literature search yet ?

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>i am a dental student from india and would like to know  how far stem
> cell research has reached.i believe there is immense potential to
> regenerate new teeth in place of those that are lost...infact not just
> teeth but other tissues as well.artificial substitutes certainly are no
> match for natural teeth.
Sue - 10 Nov 2005 16:59 GMT
Google:  bone morphogenic protein

Jaw transplant allows man to chew after nine years

00:01 27 August 2004
NewScientist.com news service
Gaia Vince
A man has been able to savour his first proper meal in nine years after
surgeons successfully created and transplanted a jawbone for him.

A jaw, grown on a titanium frame, enabled the man to chew for the first
time since he lost his lower jaw in radical surgery for cancer. The
functional jawbone was created using a combination of computer aided
design and bone stem cells.

The 56-year-old German man underwent surgery to remove cancerous
tumours on his jawbone in 1995, and since then he was able to eat only
soup and soft foods. But just four weeks after a pioneering
jaw-creation and transplantation procedure, he tucked into a meal of
sausages and bread.

Current techniques for replacing lost bone usually rely on a painful,
slow-healing bone graft from another part of the body, causing loss of
bone density in the donor area and a secondary site of possible
infection. Flat areas, such as the shoulder blade, are often used,
which are far from ideal replicates for a complex three-dimensional
structure like jawbone.

Now, doctors at the University of Kiel in Germany have neatly bypassed
the initial bone removal procedure and instead grown the required bone
from stem cells in the patient's own bone marrow.

"We created a titanium mesh cage to a three-dimensional shape and
fit, for his lower jaw, using computer-aided design, based on CT scans
of his face," explains Patrick Warnke from the Department of Oral and
Maxillofacial Surgery, who carried out the jaw transplant.

Liquid bone marrow

Warnke and colleagues then filled the mesh with bone mineral blocks of
bovine origin, that would act as a scaffold for the growing bone. On to
the blocks were poured a mixture of recombinant human bone morphogenic
protein (BMP) powder - a genetically engineered protein that causes
cells to ossify or become bone - and liquid bone marrow containing
stem cells.

The titanium frame with its bone-growing ingredients were then
implanted into a layer of muscle on the patient's right shoulder
blade to form tissue and blood vessel connections to the muscle. "He
actually didn't find this uncomfortable at all and was able to sleep
on that side with no problems," Warnke comments.

Seven weeks later, when the implant was removed it showed evidence of
bone remodelling and mineralisation, and CT scans revealed bone
formation. The jaw structure, with its newly created envelope of muscle
tissue was then transplanted into the patient's face and microsurgery
was performed to connect it to his existing jaw muscle and to blood
vessels at the base of his neck. Skin was closed around the new jaw as
much as possible.

"He is very happy with the result," Warnke told New Scientist.
"He can chew food again and his speech is much more easy to
understand, especially on the phone."

Nose structure

Ken Lavery, a maxillofacial consultant, who is carrying out similar
research at Queen Victoria Hospital in East Grinstead, UK, says the
technique offers huge potential for victims of gunshot or facial
tumours.

"It's a sophisticated procedure, but it depends on the patient
being in a condition to wait long enough to grow the new bone. We are
currently in the process of developing a nose structure for a patient
whose nose has been lost though cancer, using a resorbable plate mesh,
rather than titanium which needs to be removed after."

Lavery believes that bone marrow is unnecessary for such transplants,
since the BMP will grow into bone itself.

In a year's time, when the German patient's bone density has
improved further, Warnke hopes to remove the titanium and implant
teeth.

Journal reference: The Lancet (vol 364 p 766)

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-Sue (nondentist)
Stovepipe - 13 Nov 2005 20:25 GMT
> n a year's time, when the German patient's bone density has
> improved further, Warnke hopes to remove the titanium and implant
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> Related Articles
.... etc....

> -Sue (nondentist)

Verry Goood, Sue nondentist
SP (partial dentist)
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Sue - 14 Nov 2005 14:18 GMT
> > n a year's time, when the German patient's bone density has
> > improved further, Warnke hopes to remove the titanium and implant
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Thank you SP,

Since we are in the business of implantables, this interests me.  The
real future (we think) is in stem cell research that leads to
biological cures.  If breakthroughs in this area continue, then one day
our business (as we know it) will be obsolete.

But I will be retired and will have unloaded all my stock by then, LOL.
:-) :-)

But seriously, I think it will be wonderful if we can create cures
through biological means, as opposed to treating disease.  ~99% of our
products treat chronic disease and alleviate symptoms, but do not cure
the underlying illness. Even so, patients are very happy that at least
they have something that can help restore quality of life for them in
many cases.

Well OK, back to work for me!  I hope you are getting back on track at
the office, now that you have taken steps to get rid of the riff-raff
going on behind your back.

TGIM,

Sue
Stovepipe - 16 Nov 2005 03:02 GMT
> Well OK, back to work for me!  I hope you are getting back on track at
> the office, now that you have taken steps to get rid of the riff-raff
> going on behind your back.

They were making biological stem cell based cures for the dentist as
head of the team. I applied an acute treatment that resulted in radical
personnel amputation.

There is no known cure. Sometimes, radical therapies are necessary. One
day, this will apply to myself as well.

Cheers
SP
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rupali - 15 Nov 2005 14:22 GMT
I am sorry .Please allow me to correct myself...how much progress has
stem cell research made
Amatus Cremona - 15 Nov 2005 14:56 GMT
>I am sorry .Please allow me to correct myself...how much progress has
> stem cell research made

Lots, but none that can be used in dentistry.

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>I am sorry .Please allow me to correct myself...how much progress has
> stem cell research made
rupali - 15 Nov 2005 15:15 GMT
I disagree here....stem cell research will prove a boon to oral
surgeons who can implant either tooth buds or a full grown tooth
,whichever way it is possible . An individual requiring an implant
would prefer a natural tooth to a titanium implant unless the cost of
the treatment forces him to think otherwise. We will just have to allow
it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
useful
Amatus Cremona - 15 Nov 2005 15:55 GMT
>stem cell research will prove a boon to oral
> surgeons who can implant either tooth buds or a full grown tooth
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> it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
> useful

In how many decades ?

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> surgeons who can implant either tooth buds or a full grown tooth
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> it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
> useful
Sue - 15 Nov 2005 21:31 GMT
"In how many decades ?"
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Published June 2004, Biomedical Materials

Dentures may soon be obsolete: stem cells hold answer to growing your
own teeth
It may not be very long before it will be possible for people who have
lost or damaged teeth to grow them back. Scientists believe it may only
be about five years before this technology becomes a reality for the
general public.

-Sue

> >stem cell research will prove a boon to oral
> > surgeons who can implant either tooth buds or a full grown tooth
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> > it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
> > useful
Amatus Cremona - 15 Nov 2005 21:50 GMT
>Scientists believe it may only
> be about five years before this technology becomes a reality for the
> general public.

The same scientists who were going to give us artificial enamel which we
could fuse with a laser by 1993 ?

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 15 Nov 2005 22:03 GMT
> "In how many decades ?"
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> -Sue

    Great idea, but from what I've read, the 5-year reality is ludicrous.

Steve

>>>stem cell research will prove a boon to oral
>>>surgeons who can implant either tooth buds or a full grown tooth
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>>>it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
>>>useful

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mmaker@my-deja.com - 18 Nov 2005 14:43 GMT
>     Great idea, but from what I've read, the 5-year reality is ludicrous.

As some famous science fiction writer once pointed out (Clarke maybe?)
humans tend to expect linear improvement while technology tends to
improve exponentially... so we overestimate short-term progress and
underestimate long-term progress. That's why almost all of these
estimates prove very optimistic.

   Mark
W_B - 18 Nov 2005 15:31 GMT
>>     Great idea, but from what I've read, the 5-year reality is ludicrous.
>
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>    Mark

"Sufficiently advanced technology is indistiguishable from magic."

-Dr. Arthur C. Clark
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Alexander Vasserman DDS - 19 Nov 2005 06:52 GMT
You also need to have frozen stem cells from primary teeth for this to
be possible.
I give it 15 years before a  procedure is packaged for the dentist to
peform this procedure on the general public.
rupali - 19 Nov 2005 09:07 GMT
Sir , would it be feasable to regenerate pulp in case of necrosis of  a
part the pulpal tissue so that it need not be extirpated thereby
retaining the vitality of the tooth.
W_B - 21 Nov 2005 17:19 GMT
>Sir , would it be feasable to regenerate pulp in case of necrosis of  a
>part the pulpal tissue so that it need not be extirpated thereby
>retaining the vitality of the tooth.

No.
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The Webby - 15 Nov 2005 16:46 GMT
> I disagree here....stem cell research will prove a boon to oral
> surgeons who can implant either tooth buds or a full grown tooth
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> it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
> useful

How long before the temporomandibular joint is ready for the surgeons,
rupali?

TW
Amatus Cremona - 15 Nov 2005 17:11 GMT
> How long before the temporomandibular joint is ready for the surgeons,
> rupali?

Now that would be much more helpful to the health of the population that
growing extra teeth.  And, knees and hip joints as well.

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> TW
W_B - 15 Nov 2005 17:15 GMT
>We will just have to allow
>> it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
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>TW

When pigs fly ?
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Sue - 15 Nov 2005 17:44 GMT
> >We will just have to allow
> >> it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

To rupali,
Don't let some other's attitudes get to you.

Some people look at possibilities and wonder "why?" Others look at
possibilities and wonder "why not?"

Some people have "can do" atittudes.  Some have "cannot do" attitudes.

If we all had "cannot do" attitudes, we may have all been killed off by
TB and other diseases!

Keep believing and seeking new possibilities.  Don't let naysayers stop
you.

Best,
Sue
rupali - 16 Nov 2005 13:02 GMT
Thanks alot for all the support and encouragement Sue.
The Webby - 15 Nov 2005 17:45 GMT
> >We will just have to allow
> >> it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
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How's the aviation research going with the pigs???  (Does NASA know
about this?)

TW
Sue - 15 Nov 2005 18:35 GMT
Is this Dentaltown?

Drawing conclusions about stem cell research and potential dental
applications by reading product catalogs.  

-Sue
W_B - 15 Nov 2005 19:26 GMT
>> >We will just have to allow
>> >> it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
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>
>TW

The flying toaster has been perfected.
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The Webby - 15 Nov 2005 19:36 GMT
> >> >We will just have to allow
> >> >> it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

Do you think it might have been a better idea for the researchers to at
least attempt to fly a non flighted bird such as an emu (much smaller
than an ostrich -- and not nearly as mean!) before the pig?  You know
... success rates and all that ...

TW
Amatus Cremona - 15 Nov 2005 20:05 GMT
> The flying toaster has been perfected.

Does anyone still have that screen-saver on their PC ?

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Sue - 15 Nov 2005 20:45 GMT
> > The flying toaster has been perfected.
>
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> > Take out the G'RBAGE
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So you mean, when your wife hurled it at you?

-Sue
rupali - 16 Nov 2005 12:59 GMT
I don't know how long but if it is possible to regenerate the tissues
of the temporomandibular joint and other joints it sure would prove
worthy of the time and effort spent in being able to develop it.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 16 Nov 2005 15:17 GMT
> I don't know how long but if it is possible to regenerate the tissues
> of the temporomandibular joint and other joints it sure would prove
> worthy of the time and effort spent in being able to develop it.

    I don't disagree.  However, while I have heard of differentiation to
specific cell types in cell culture, I haven't heard of a discrete organ
being formed--has anyone else?

Steve

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rupali - 16 Nov 2005 15:58 GMT
please visit the following link:

http://www.biospectrumindia.com/content/research/10504112.asp
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The new heart cells were obtained by injecting stem cells in the
affected region (comprising of dead muscle cells) of the heart. These
stem cells then differentiated to form new heart cells. It is thus
possible to obtain differentiated heart cells.
Considering the fact that the heart cells are of a uniform type they
might probably be easier to regenerate theoretically. Nevertheless it
proves that it is possible to regenerate cells of a partially dead or
necrosed organ presumably such as pulp especially considering the cells
present in the pulpal tissue. Establishing the nervous supply may prove
challenging though.....but possible.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 16 Nov 2005 16:01 GMT
> please visit the following link:
>
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> present in the pulpal tissue. Establishing the nervous supply may prove
> challenging though.....but possible.

    It would be nice to know just what tissue was regenerated--myocardium?
 Endocardium?  Valvular structures?

Steve

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rupali - 16 Nov 2005 16:06 GMT
rupali - 16 Nov 2005 16:08 GMT
myocardium in this case....although it is possible to regenerate all of
them
Sue - 17 Nov 2005 00:04 GMT
Steve,

We are doing some research in this area.  So far effort has been
focused on  regenerating areas of the heart that have been damaged by
infarct.  No valvular structures.  Some successes, but still many
hurdles.  Much is confidential and remains unpublished. Sorry.  If I
have time, I can see what we have published (if anything) and report
back.

We are not as highly developed in the area of cellular work as other
institutions.  We are just getting our feet wet in this area.  

-Sue
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Nov 2005 14:11 GMT
> Steve,
>
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>
> -Sue

Cool stuff.  This is Medtronic, right?

Steve

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Sue - 17 Nov 2005 15:39 GMT
> > Steve,
> >
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> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001

Yes.  But the serious truth is that I am not supposed to be using my
computer for anything other than Medtronic work.  So I really cannot be
posting online here from work.  I could get fired. (I am serious)
Therefore I must keep my posts to a bare minimum.

It is difficult for me to maintain my self control because I want to
keep checking back in here.  I am at my computer most of the day so it
is soooooooo easy to indulge.

So I will be posting less and less. Likely only at lunch or after work.

Take Care,
Sue
The Webby - 17 Nov 2005 15:55 GMT
> > > Steve,
> > >
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> Take Care,
> Sue

So if or when you get fired for posting to smd, will you think that your
smd participation was more important than your "job" at Medtronic?  Or
... am I missing something here?  I have to say this:  if I were your
supervisor and discovered you doing this "online posting activity" with
company equipment and on company time ... you'd be fired according to
company policy.  

Sorry to be so blunt.

Webby
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Nov 2005 15:57 GMT
>>>>Steve,
>>>>
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>
> Webby

    I think I might have to fire myself.

Steve

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The Webby - 17 Nov 2005 16:16 GMT
> >>>>Steve,
> >>>>
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>
> Steve

I would also have to fire myself.  But is Sue the one setting the policy
and in the position to fire herself should she fail to respect such
policy?  Hmmmm.  I have no idea.  But!, she knows she is doing something
she is not supposed to do and something that can cause her to lose her
job because of it.  And!, she's doing it anyway.  Why?  That's what I'd
like to know.

TW
The Webby - 17 Nov 2005 16:30 GMT
In article
<nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-DBD5B3.08164817112005@news-lb-01.socal.r
r.com>,

> > >>>>Steve,
> > >>>>
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> TW

I found this and I'm going to post it here in smd *because* I want to.  
Maybe I shouldn't, but I want to ask about this.

After spending 19 years with a company, ... something isn't right.  I
don't have anything else to add about this.  I think there are enough
words in this thread to "speak for themselves".  

TW

http://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/dentistry/6244/I-would-like-to-discus
s-this

Sue - 24 Sep 2005 19:35 GMT

>Amatus wrote:
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> Sue
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Nov 2005 16:38 GMT
> I would also have to fire myself.  But is Sue the one setting the policy
> and in the position to fire herself should she fail to respect such
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> TW

    At least this isn't a porno site.
    ...I don't think.

Steve

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The Webby - 17 Nov 2005 16:56 GMT
> > I would also have to fire myself.  But is Sue the one setting the policy
> > and in the position to fire herself should she fail to respect such
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>
> Steve

I don't think so either but! ... when I let my website go a few years
back (1996), there were many ghost links left in search engines for a
long time.  For a few years, the site's URL remained as it was but the
site became a porn site when seized by the cyberland grabbers.  Of
course, the "domain" was for sale for a price if I wanted to put an end
to the porno.  It was a dirty game back then.  Unsuspecting readers
thought they were going to find information put out by the TMJ
Foundation ... and instead, they got something much different.  

TW
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Nov 2005 17:05 GMT
> I don't think so either but! ... when I let my website go a few years
> back (1996), there were many ghost links left in search engines for a
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> TW

    There is a psychiatrist who posts to the jazz guitar newsgroup, and I
once had to e-mail him to tell him some of his links sent me to a porno
site.  Probably not what a psychiatrist wants to happen.

Steve

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The Webby - 17 Nov 2005 17:13 GMT
> > I don't think so either but! ... when I let my website go a few years
> > back (1996), there were many ghost links left in search engines for a
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> Steve

When you have a website, it comes with responsibilities that many people
just don't realize.  It was nice of you to let him know he had trouble
with some links.  I would expect nothing less of a nice guy like you,
Steve. :-)

I'm going to be offline until tomorrow evening.  Hope you have a
pleasant day.

Webby
W_B - 17 Nov 2005 17:19 GMT
>>>It is difficult for me to maintain my self control because I want to
>>>keep checking back in here.  I am at my computer most of the day so it
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>Steve

Would be glad to do it for you if you so wish ! <hehe>
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W_B - 17 Nov 2005 17:18 GMT
>> It is difficult for me to maintain my self control because I want to
>> keep checking back in here.  I am at my computer most of the day so it
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>Webby

Lack of self control ?

Should I make a report ?
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Sue - 05 Dec 2005 19:20 GMT
> > please visit the following link:
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> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
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Recently published at AHA, 2005

REPAIR-AMI: Reinfusion of Enriched Progenitor Cells and Infarct
Remodeling in Acute Myocardial Infarction

Can the infusion of autologous bone marrow-derived progenitor cells
following successful reperfusion in AMI patients prevent the onset of
post-MI heart failure?

Presenter: Volker Schächinger, MD (J.W. Goethe University, Frankfurt,
Germany)

Acute myocardial infarction (AMI) can lead to infarct expansion,
chronic left ventricular (LV) dilatation, and, eventually, chronic
heart failure. Postinfarction heart failure remains a major challenge
for the clinical cardiologist despite "optimal" therapy. For many
years, there has been ample research conducted to find ways to diminish
the development of heart failure and to enhance myocardial recovery
following AMI. Small phase 1 trials have suggested that the
intracoronary application of mononuclear progenitor cells derived from
the bone marrow may be safe and may contribute to functional
regeneration of the infarcted myocardium.

Conclusions:

Intracoronary infusion of bone marrow-derived mononuclear cells in
patients with reperfused AMI:

-Is associated with improved global LV contractile function

-Preferentially improves LV function in patients with the most severely
depressed contractility after AMI

-Prevents LV ESV expansion within 4 months of therapy

-Holds great promise to limit the development of postinfarction heart
failure
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AMI = acute mycardial infarction
LV =  left ventricular
ESV = end systolic volume (an expansion in ESV indicates remodelling
---> BAD!)
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 05 Dec 2005 20:40 GMT
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> ESV = end systolic volume (an expansion in ESV indicates remodelling
> ---> BAD!)

    Sounds good--as far as it goes.

Steve

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rupali - 06 Dec 2005 11:40 GMT
Thank you sue for sharing the article .Now we need to see how the stem
cell technology can prove useful in dentistry.
Sue - 06 Dec 2005 15:16 GMT
> Thank you sue for sharing the article .Now we need to see how the stem
> cell technology can prove useful in dentistry.

Yes.  I think that it WILL prove useful in many areas.  Perhaps the
timeline of events may extend beyond my lifetime, but nevertheless I
believe this technology will someday be  accepted treatment/cures for
many pathologies.

Thanks rupali and Dr. Bornfeld for not calling me trash and yelling at
me to GO AWAY.

Have a great day.

Sue
rupali - 07 Dec 2005 14:56 GMT
Sue I very strongly believe that the stem cell technology will prove to
be a boon...not just to dentistry but other life sciences as well. A
lot of research is being done the world over and I am sure we will live
to see it being put to good use. Thank you so much for sharing the
articles and also for all the help and encouragement.
Please keep me posted with anything new you come across that pertains
to stem cell tech.
W_B - 07 Dec 2005 16:33 GMT
>Sue I very strongly believe that the stem cell technology will prove to
>be a boon...not just to dentistry but other life sciences as well. A
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>Please keep me posted with anything new you come across that pertains
>to stem cell tech.

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W_B - 16 Nov 2005 16:16 GMT
>> I don't know how long but if it is possible to regenerate the tissues
>> of the temporomandibular joint and other joints it sure would prove
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>Steve

Heard they made a Mellotron once.

Anyway, back to the miter box.
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Sue - 16 Nov 2005 23:29 GMT
> > I don't know how long but if it is possible to regenerate the tissues
> > of the temporomandibular joint and other joints it sure would prove
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No.  No Discreet organs yet.   They are  more involved than teeth.  I
have read that teeth will happen before anything else happens.

Years ago, I  attended a couple rountables at MEdtroniX that discussed
creating a "scaffolding"  (polymer scaffolding to which cells would
then be seeded and cultured)  to create a new liver and/or  pancreas...
years ago (early 90s), but then not a word.  Guess we never pursued the
research.  Not sure where it is at.

-Sue
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 16 Nov 2005 23:49 GMT
>>>I don't know how long but if it is possible to regenerate the tissues
>>>of the temporomandibular joint and other joints it sure would prove
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> No.  No Discreet organs yet.   They are  more involved than teeth.

    Teeth are discrete organs.  One might expect say, beta islet cells of
the pancreas before teeth--at least I would.

Steve

  I
> have read that teeth will happen before anything else happens.
>
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>
> -Sue

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W_B - 16 Nov 2005 23:55 GMT
>> No.  No Discreet organs yet.   They are  more involved than teeth.
>
>    Teeth are discrete organs.  One might expect say, beta islet cells of
>the pancreas before teeth--at least I would.
>
>Steve

My thoughts exactly Dr. Langerhans.
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Sue - 17 Nov 2005 00:07 GMT
> >>>I don't know how long but if it is possible to regenerate the tissues
> >>>of the temporomandibular joint and other joints it sure would prove
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> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001

Sorry, my mistake.  Teeth are expected to be the first discreet organs
used clinically.

-Sue
Sue - 14 Sep 2006 14:08 GMT
rupali Wrote:
> I don't know how long but if it is possible to regenerate the tissue
> of the temporomandibular joint and other joints it sure would prov
> worthy of the time and effort spent in being able to develop it.

August 2006 (University of MN

http://www1.umn.edu/umnnews/Feature_Stories/Mending_broken_hearts_with_stem_cells.htm

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W_B - 15 Nov 2005 16:56 GMT
> We will just have to allow
>it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
>useful

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 15 Nov 2005 17:10 GMT
> I disagree here....stem cell research will prove a boon to oral
> surgeons who can implant either tooth buds or a full grown tooth
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> it time to gain momentum but eventually it will prove effective and
> useful

    You are aware that the dental organ contains both ectodermal (enamel)
and mesodermal (dentin and pulp) tissues?  I don't think this will be a
particularly easy one.

Steve

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rupali - 16 Nov 2005 13:11 GMT
It sure won't be easy but it still is possible. Stem cells also have
the potential to provide us with an alternative to root canal treatment
as these cells can be transformed into differentiated cells of just
about any tissue of the body....possibly even pulp.
Amatus Cremona - 16 Nov 2005 13:29 GMT
http://eir.library.utoronto.ca/rpo/display/poem832.html

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> It sure won't be easy but it still is possible. Stem cells also have
> the potential to provide us with an alternative to root canal treatment
> as these cells can be transformed into differentiated cells of just
> about any tissue of the body....possibly even pulp.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 16 Nov 2005 15:20 GMT
> It sure won't be easy but it still is possible. Stem cells also have
> the potential to provide us with an alternative to root canal treatment
> as these cells can be transformed into differentiated cells of just
> about any tissue of the body....possibly even pulp.

    Of course.  Cells responsible for the pulp are mesodermal in origin,
and differentiate into (among others) odontoblasts, which produce the
dentin.  I don't know that the demand for pain sensation in the pulp
would be as great.

Steve

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W_B - 16 Nov 2005 16:19 GMT
>> It sure won't be easy but it still is possible. Stem cells also have
>> the potential to provide us with an alternative to root canal treatment
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>
>Steve

Mebbe they can grow pulp cells that produce gutta percha or
Resilon.

Now *that* would be interesting.
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 16 Nov 2005 17:24 GMT
>>>It sure won't be easy but it still is possible. Stem cells also have
>>>the potential to provide us with an alternative to root canal treatment
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I'd pay to see that.

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W_B - 16 Nov 2005 19:13 GMT
>>>    Of course.  Cells responsible for the pulp are mesodermal in origin,
>>>and differentiate into (among others) odontoblasts, which produce the
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>> W_B

>I'd pay to see that.
>
>Steve

"I'd buy that for a dollar"

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 16 Nov 2005 21:09 GMT
>>>>    Of course.  Cells responsible for the pulp are mesodermal in origin,
>>>>and differentiate into (among others) odontoblasts, which produce the
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    No.  Don't make me Google it.

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W_B - 16 Nov 2005 21:56 GMT
>>>>>    Of course.  Cells responsible for the pulp are mesodermal in origin,
>>>>>and differentiate into (among others) odontoblasts, which produce the
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>> W_B

>    No.  Don't make me Google it.
>
>Steve

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W_B - 16 Nov 2005 16:11 GMT
>It sure won't be easy but it still is possible. Stem cells also have
>the potential to provide us with an alternative to root canal treatment
>as these cells can be transformed into differentiated cells of just
>about any tissue of the body....possibly even pulp.

Key Word: "potential"
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W_B - 15 Nov 2005 16:53 GMT
>I am sorry .Please allow me to correct myself...how much progress has
>stem cell research made

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Minnie - 10 Nov 2005 17:00 GMT
>i am a dental student from india and would like to know  how far stem
>cell research has reached.i believe there is immense potential to
>regenerate new teeth in place of those that are lost...infact not just
>teeth but other tissues as well.artificial substitutes certainly are no
>match for natural teeth.

".. In 2007, Hitachi Medical aims to start regenerating teeth on a
commercial basis,
with first-year sales targeted at a modest 100 million yen
($800,000)." ...

There are others working on it too. Did you try a google web search?
Bill - 10 Nov 2005 17:54 GMT
vivacious wrote:

artificial substitutes certainly are no
match for natural teeth.

________________________________

On the other hand, titanium doesn't decay.

Presumably, any future regenerated teeth would be placed in mouths
which didn't have enough oral hygiene to retain the originals, and the
new teeth would be subject to the same environment that destroyed the
old ones.

Sounds like a perpetual re-plantation scheme to me. Where do I buy the
stock?

- dentaldoc
Dartos - 10 Nov 2005 19:06 GMT
Very good point!

I also don't see how the teeth could be 'vital' at implantion.
Do I get to charge for the endo too?

Dartos

> On the other hand, titanium doesn't decay.
>
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> - dentaldoc
Sue - 13 Nov 2005 16:50 GMT
> vivacious wrote:
>
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>
> - dentaldoc
Sue - 13 Nov 2005 17:08 GMT
Titanium is one of the most biocompatible materials we have today.

As far as applications where new "natural" may not be subject to
re-disintegration due to environmental factors might be:

-teeth lost through trauma (car accident, injury etc.)
-congenital absence of teeth
-cranofacial abnormalities
-surgical removal of jaw due to cancer
etc.

Also if new teeth can be grown, then new tissue can be grown.  I
believe that Dentrix is looking at stem cell technology  that could one
day be an alterantive to  root canal therapy.

Just some thoughts,
Sue
Stovepipe - 13 Nov 2005 20:25 GMT
> Sounds like a perpetual re-plantation scheme to me. Where do I buy the
> stock?
>
> - dentaldoc

I'm watching Hitachi... They'll prolly open a new subsiduary based in
Singapore (the current hotbed of cloning research: no limiting rules, no
religeous zealotism).
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rupali - 15 Nov 2005 15:02 GMT
regenerated teeth can also be used to replace those lost due to trauma
or a cause not related to oral hygiene.
Amatus Cremona - 15 Nov 2005 15:06 GMT
> regenerated teeth can also be used to replace those lost due to trauma
> or a cause not related to oral hygiene.

I did not see those in the catalogue.  I must have skipped over that page.
Unless you are referring to being able to possibly do this in 25-30 years ?

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Sue - 15 Nov 2005 15:51 GMT
> > regenerated teeth can also be used to replace those lost due to trauma
> > or a cause not related to oral hygiene.
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> > regenerated teeth can also be used to replace those lost due to trauma
> > or a cause not related to oral hygiene.

Rupali sounds like he is in research, not marketing.

-Sue
rupali - 15 Nov 2005 15:58 GMT
I am still a student who believes stem cells have immense potential
.Thank you for sharing the article on jaw transplant
Sue - 15 Nov 2005 16:13 GMT
> I am still a student who believes stem cells have immense potential
> .Thank you for sharing the article on jaw transplant

Rupali,

What is your area of study?  Are you a dental student? Or other
(cellular / molecular biology / genetics, biomaterials... etc.)

Just curious.

Thanks,
Sue (nondentist, 20 yrs in research, medical device industry)
rupali - 15 Nov 2005 16:31 GMT
I am a Dental student
The Webby - 15 Nov 2005 16:36 GMT
> I am still a student who believes stem cells have immense potential
> .Thank you for sharing the article on jaw transplant

I've been wondering about the case study.  Nothing was written (that I
noticed) about how the jaw muscles were kept strong all those years.  It
would seem that in order to suddenly enjoy a normal diet, there had to
be some long term PT employed by the patient.

Webby
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 19 Nov 2005 06:48 GMT
Its already been done successfully in vitro at USC.
A crown is still required at the end.
Dentist PANKAJ - 07 Dec 2005 10:08 GMT
Hello! I'm a new member  from India! A freshly passed B.D.S.(Bachelor
of Dental Surgery) Graduate!
This all seems really Great!
How many years have to go for bringing this in routine use?
It will be hell lot costly? Right!
The technology should develop so that even the poor can get advantage
of that; is what I feel.

Pankaj
Amatus Cremona - 07 Dec 2005 15:17 GMT
> How many years have to go for bringing this in routine use?
> It will be hell lot costly? Right!

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