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Bone graft for a dental implant

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bagarow@yahoo.com - 09 Nov 2005 16:47 GMT
Hi

I am planning to have a crown put in for a tooth in the upper right
side towards the back (tooth #3). The tooth there was extracted about a
year ago. Since there is not enough bone, a bone graft needs to be done
for the dental implant to be put in.There are 2 procedures to do this.
The first procedure involves sinus floor uplifting via surgery (believe
this procedure is called Sinus Floor Elevation).

The 2nd procedure is newer Hydraulic Sinus Condensing for Implant
Placement apparently does not need sinus surgery but instead a hole is
drilled from the mouth itself upwards and bone graft is pushed thru.
The 2nd technique is supposed to be less invasive. It comes from Dental
Implant Institute of Las Vegas (http://www.diilv.com/hydraulic.htm).

Does anyone have any experience with the newer 2nd procedure in terms
of effectiveness, reliabilily and longevity?

Thanks
Bob
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 09 Nov 2005 17:07 GMT
> Hi
>
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> Thanks
> Bob

    I've never seen this particular technique.  The idea is apparently just
a methodology for sinus lifts, not a new procedure per se.
    It does sound interesting, and hopefully our favorite OMF surgeon Dr.
King will be around to comment.

Steve

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Dave King - 10 Nov 2005 15:27 GMT
>> Hi
>>
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>
>Steve

Hey Folks,

Tenting up the sinus from the oral cavity and then grafting is a nice
technique. The limiting factor is how much bone height do you have in
the area. You still need to secure the implant so if you only have
2-3mm of bone height below the sinus, the former (sinus lift) will be
necessary followed by healing then implant placement.

I have done many of the so called 'hydraulic technique' and all but
one didnt work out. The implant failed to integrate. Very predictable
and less painful then the actual sinus lift.

Dave
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 10 Nov 2005 19:30 GMT
>>>Hi
>>>
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>
> Dave

    So, here the idea is to keep the fixture out of the sinus, and not
specifically to graft.

Thanks,
Steve

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718-258-5001

Dave King - 10 Nov 2005 19:58 GMT
>> Hey Folks,
>>
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>Thanks,
>Steve

Yea, especially since keeping them in bone is what they were designed
for ;)

If a patient has around 6-8 mm of bone at the lowest extent of the
sinus, I begin the implant site like any other except I dont sink to
the max depth. I usually stop one drill shy of the final width then
osteotome the intact 2mm of floor superiorly. Now I pack the bone
apically, sink the implant to depth, close in a water tight fashion
then wait.

If the implant would entire the sinus by only a mm or two, I do the
same thing except I dont bother with adding the extra bone. I let
mother nature do her thing after the implant tents up the floor.

Dave
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 10 Nov 2005 20:20 GMT
> Yea, especially since keeping them in bone is what they were designed
> for ;)
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> the max depth. I usually stop one drill shy of the final width then
> osteotome the intact 2mm of floor superiorly.

    There ya go, verbifying a noun again.

 Now I pack the bone
> apically, sink the implant to depth, close in a water tight fashion
> then wait.
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>
> Dave

    We love mother nature.

Steve

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W_B - 10 Nov 2005 21:07 GMT
> I let
>> mother nature do her thing after the implant tents up the floor.
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>
>Steve

Except when she throws tantrums like Katrina and Rita.
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JimSocal - 10 Nov 2005 19:55 GMT
>Hey Folks,
>
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>I have done many of the so called 'hydraulic technique'
>***and all but one didnt work out.****

The implant failed to integrate. Very predictable
>and less painful then the actual sinus lift.
>
>Dave

In the above, do you mean ALL worked out, except one, or only one
worked out?
Dave King - 10 Nov 2005 21:10 GMT
>>Hey Folks,
>>
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>In the above, do you mean ALL worked out, except one, or only one
>worked out?

The former. Graft area healed well but the implant failed to
integrate. Replaced the implant three months later which succesfully
integrated the second time around.
 
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