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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / November 2005Two bad dentists in a row...is this normal?
Is it normal for Dentists to be terse, rude, not shake your hand, not tell you what they're doing, not explain what they've done, and not be sensitive to the fact that they may be doing something that may hurt? Both of these dentists have been in the industry for 30+ years. Is this normal? I'm on my third dentist now. Am I just having a bad run? > Is it normal for Dentists to be terse, rude, not shake your hand, not > tell you what they're doing, not explain what they've done, and not be > sensitive to the fact that they may be doing something that may hurt? If you have HMO or PPO or AmeriPlan coverage, it would be expected, but it is not acceptable under any circumstances.  Signature/ Amatus / > Is it normal for Dentists to be terse, rude, not shake your hand, not > tell you what they're doing, not explain what they've done, and not be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Am I just having a bad run? "If you have HMO or PPO or AmeriPlan coverage, it would be expected, but it is not acceptable under any circumstances. " Expected? Who died and made you a saint? > Expected? Who died and made you a saint? HIPAA regulations prevent me from telling you. Signature/ Amatus / > "If you have HMO or PPO or AmeriPlan coverage, it would be expected, > but it > is not acceptable under any circumstances. " > > Expected? Who died and made you a saint? >>Expected? Who died and made you a saint? > > HIPAA regulations prevent me from telling you. (rim shot!!) Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 >>>Expected? Who died and made you a saint? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Steve <Ba-dump-dah !> -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >Is it normal for Dentists to be terse, rude, not shake your hand, not >tell you what they're doing, not explain what they've done, and not be >sensitive to the fact that they may be doing something that may hurt? > >Both of these dentists have been in the industry for 30+ years. Is >this normal? 30+ yrs is a LONG TIME. You didn't mention poor quality work, or lack of skill, just not a lot of friendliness, sensitivity. >I'm on my third dentist now. > >Am I just having a bad run? Try a younger one... 10-15 yrs experience. \> > Try a younger one... 10-15 yrs experience. I'm not sure I understand this.Are you saying someone being " terse, rude, not shake your hand, not tell you what they're doing, not explain what they've done, and not be sensitive to the fact that they may be doing something that may hurt?" is a function of age? T >\> >> Try a younger one... 10-15 yrs experience. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >T If unhappy customer tried two dentists in a row w/ 30+ yrs experience, then maybe he'll have better luck trying something different. It might be, but is not necessarily a function of age. Just generally, I'm saying after 30+ yrs the guy might have a tendency to do less explaining and more bottom line get in there and get the work done, because he's already done it a thousand and one times. And, more recent training may put more focus on making the person comfortable than in the past. Of course there can be individual variations depending on personalities. I once had a dentist who was not too friendly, terse, no hand shaking, worked very fast w/little explaining. No frills, but the work was beautifully done, at a decent price at the time. The dentist had a very high level of technical skill but was not going to win any awards for personality, was not "the great communicator". I did not consider that dentist a bad dentist though because the results were good. Of course the two together - nice demeanor and good quality work is best. Maybe it was the patient ahead of you. Maybe the patient ahead of you said something like: "What a load of BS" Maybe the wife handed the dentist divorce papers that morning. Maybe the dentist logged onto SMD and ran into somone unpleasant right before you stepped into his office Not excuses for treating you like an insignificant piece of crap that just crawled out from under a rock, but my point is: Everyone can have an off-day or an off-moment. It is consistent rudeness that is hard to accept, IMHO. Were these 2 dentists consistently like this with you? If so, were you ever rude to them? Were you consistently late for appts? etc. Anything at all? Best, Sue (non dentist) Yes you hit the nail on the head. The first Dentist I actually bailed on prior to letting him do any work on me (after his staff was rude to me and told me things like "If you don't sign the HIPAA form we'll just do it for you anyway.". So I sent them off to the BBB for future consideration. The second dentist apparently does great work (the one lacking personality or general kindness IMHO) according to an Endodontist that sees his results often. So I don't question his skill at all. However, coming into an office (over several months) and having a dentist tell you, for example (out of many), "I won't shake your hand because you have germs" and summarily putting on latex gloves to do the work to me is absolutely rude and ridiculous. Recall this is after putting my hand out and offering it to him and not that I expected him to shake my hand. I am not an ageist but I agree with a previous poster that if you've done the work a long time its possible you've "checked out" and want to cut to the chase. This particular dentist was aggressive with me because *he* made an appointment for me to put in a permanent crown and I told him I couldn't afford all this other stuff he wanted to do. My deductible was $100 and he would fill like, one tooth or do x or y and schedule an appointment for two weeks later (the soonest appt. apparently). The Dentist got upset at me and actually tried to begin arguing with me because I shouldn't have scheduled the work that *he* decided I needed to have done and *he* scheduled. This is about 30 seconds before he's about to stick metal in my mouth. Now thats an uncomfortable situation. Anyway so this Dentist is a goner and although he apparently did great work (how would I know anyway) he was far too rude and unprofessional for me to use him on a constant basis. The next one was recommended by several good friends (and my Endodontist even) so here's crossing my fingers. Anyway, onward and thanks for hte advice. >Yes you hit the nail on the head. The first Dentist I actually bailed >on prior to letting him do any work on me (after his staff was rude to >me and told me things like "If you don't sign the HIPAA form we'll just >do it for you anyway.". So I sent them off to the BBB for future >consideration. allright then. sianara baby. >The second dentist apparently does great work (the one lacking >personality or general kindness IMHO) according to an Endodontist that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >putting my hand out and offering it to him and not that I expected him >to shake my hand. >I am not an ageist but I agree with a previous poster that if you've >done the work a long time its possible you've "checked out" and want to >cut to the chase. This particular dentist was aggressive with me >because *he* made an appointment for me to put in a permanent crown and >I told him I couldn't afford all this other stuff he wanted to do. > My deductible was $100 and he would fill like, one tooth or do x or y >and schedule an appointment for two weeks later (the soonest appt. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >seconds before he's about to stick metal in my mouth. Now thats an >uncomfortable situation. Yes, one would prefer calm to arguing at that point. huh. Got mad at you for following HIS plan? Sounds odd. >Anyway so this Dentist is a goner and although he apparently did great >work (how would I know anyway) he was far too rude and unprofessional [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Anyway, onward and thanks for hte advice. Go with what suits you. Good luck with dentist #3. >>Anyway, onward and thanks for hte advice. > >Go with what suits you. >Good luck with dentist #3. But watch out for dentist #13 on Friday. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Classic! Dear unhappy customer, Most dentists wear gloves now. I think it is required by OSHA for your safety. Dentists are regulated to death about sterilizing equipment, etc. Since AIDs, hepatitis and other communicable diseases can be spread from dentist to patient or vice versa, this is a precautionary measure to protect you too. Sometimes people (dentists and patients alike) can be harboring illness and not have knowledge of this. So it is now mandated that gloves are worn. BTW, I am going by my med tech training and requirements setr forth for us. I am assuming that this is the case for dentral professionals as well. The HIPPA form was a legal requirement. HIPPA is an organization that was formed to protect patient privacy. This is for your benefit mainly, not the dentist's. This is just one more regulation that dentists (and doctors) are required to follow now. The other stuff.. being rude about your appt and crown procedure etc., well that does not sound good. Sorry about that. I hope #3 goes better. Best of luck to you, Sue PS For more info on HIPPA check here: http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/ >The HIPPA form was a legal requirement. HIPPA is an organization that >was formed to protect patient privacy. *HIPAA* (two 'A's not two 'P's) is the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. It is *NOT* an organization, it is a law. > This is for your benefit mainly, >not the dentist's. This is just one more regulation that dentists (and >doctors) are required to follow now. That part is correct. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Note: re: HIPPA HEALTH INSURANCE PORTABILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ACT OF 1996 Public Law 104-191 104th Congress An Act To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to improve portability and continuity of health insurance coverage in the group and individual markets, to combat waste, fraud, and abuse in health insurance and health care delivery, to promote the use of medical savings accounts, to improve access to long-term care services and coverage, to simplify the administration of health insurance, and for other purposes. ******************************************************** It had been my understanding that the HIPPA was established to provide controls & standards for electonic data transactions in the heathcare professions, as patient records have gone (or are going) from paper to electronic records keeping. One large concern in making this shift, was the concern for maintaining patient privacy. I though that this concern was one of the driving forces for establishing these rules and regulations. Sue (non dentist) I guess a little more reading might is warranted. Thanks W_B. I was looking it up as you were writing. As a reasercher, we have only had the privacy portion shoved down our throats. It is really difficult to publish case studies these days (from research clinicals) as there are so many restrictions. For instance, we cannot publish an 86 yr-old male blah blah blah ... if there was only one or two persons over 85 on that study, etc. Sorry for the misinformation. -Sue HIPAA!!!!! I have been writing HIPPA forever. On internal emails too. Nobody here (at work) has ever corrected me. THANK YOU!!!!!!!! Boy do I feel like an idiot. lol :-) -Sue >Note: re: HIPPA > >HEALTH INSURANCE PORTABILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ACT OF 1996 >Public Law 104-191 >104th Congress Nope it's HIP*A*A* -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > One large concern in making this shift, was the concern for maintaining > patient privacy. I though that this concern was one of the driving > forces for establishing these rules and regulations. It was driven by hospitals, clinics and physicians selling lists of patients with specific ailments for third parties to use in marketing ventures. Signature/ Amatus / > Note: re: HIPPA > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > I guess a little more reading might is warranted. Amatus, I hope you are kidding. -Sue > > One large concern in making this shift, was the concern for maintaining > > patient privacy. I though that this concern was one of the driving [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > I guess a little more reading might is warranted. > I hope you are kidding. Look it up Signature/ Amatus / > Amatus, > I hope you are kidding. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >> > >> > I guess a little more reading might is warranted. > > I hope you are kidding. > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > >> > > >> > I guess a little more reading might is warranted. Amatus, I do not have time to look it up. I am spending too much time here as it is. That is bad if that is true. Don't they make enough money or what? HEeeerrrmuMMMf, Sue For SteveB From HIPAA White papers: The Hippocratic Oath and the laws of every state provide assurances to patients that their medical data will be held in confidence. However, the patchwork of state laws regulating patient privacy does not adequately provide assurances to patients in today's world in which medical records and patient information are broadly held in electronic form. As a result, HIPAA regulations were developed to ensure consistent treatment of patient's medical data by every healthcare provider in the United States. HIPAA regulations do not automatically override existing state laws. As a general rule the more stringent law is the one to follow. You should follow your state law if it already requires privacy protection for patient information that is more stringent than HIPAA. You should follow HIPAA if your state does not have privacy protection for patient information or if it is less stringent than HIPAA. Signature/ Amatus / > >> > I hope you are kidding. [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > HEeeerrrmuMMMf, > Sue > For SteveB > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > patient information or if it is less stringent than HIPAA. Damn--I can't talk about my wife anymore. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 For Madden'd Sue (kidding): The intent of the Healthcare Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA - also known as the Kennedy-Kassebaum Act) was to improve an individual's healthcare portability when changing jobs and to promote administrative simplification of health insurance. In addition, the statute required congress to enact additional medical privacy and security legislation. Remember that this on the HIPAA white paper, the Bill was actually driven by reaction to having marketing lists made up of people with various illnesses. People became irritated that their mailman could see post-cards and letterheads from ED, CVD, Ca etc. type treatments. In their infinite wisdom, the two politicians teamed up to make it difficult to sell people's personal information. Unfortunately, they also made it difficult for any hospital, clinic, doctor's office, pharmacy, ,etc. to do business. Signature/ Amatus / > >> > I hope you are kidding. [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > HEeeerrrmuMMMf, > Sue Remember that this on the HIPAA white paper, the Bill was actually driven by reaction to having marketing lists made up of people with various illnesses. People became irritated that their mailman could see post-cards and letterheads from ED, CVD, Ca etc. type treatments. In their infinite wisdom, the two politicians teamed up to make it difficult to sell people's personal information. Unfortunately, they also made it difficult for any hospital, clinic, doctor's office, pharmacy, ,etc. to do business. Amatus, I thought the people were angry because they just did not want to get a bunch of junk mailed to them or be hit with a bunch of pharma's and other businesses trying to sell them stuff. Instead it is because they were embarrassed. So instead of HiPAA why not make it DIPPA? (Do not name the illness) .. or make sure the reading material is wrapped in a double-layer brown paper. ...That way the wife and the mailman will not know if the hubby is getting ED magazine or Hustler. ... and the hubby won't know if the wife and mailman are ..... Oh nevermind. I do not where this story is going.... either. Seriously though. Thank You for the info. I am supposed to know this stuff. Unfortunately it does not interest me as much as the other aspects of my job. -Sue > .. or make sure the reading material is wrapped in a double-layer brown > paper. It would have been very easy to simply make a law saying any patient is entitled to a copy of their medical record at any time for any reason and can only be charged a reasonable fee to make the copy. Plus, add in that it is illegal to share any personal information about any patient without written permission to do so from the patient. The HIPAA law has so many layers to it, that to be fully compliant with the law would cost any dental practice thousands of dollars every year. The idea of assigning specific officers to oversee each portion of HIPAA and the levels of documentations of the HIPAA meetings between officers, between officers and staff, etc. is just not reasonable. I think they could have solved the problem easier by outlawing Spam, junk mail and advertisements via phone, mail and internet. Signature/ Amatus / > Remember that this on the HIPAA white paper, the Bill was actually > driven by [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > -Sue > Remember that this on the HIPAA white paper, the Bill was actually > driven by [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > -Sue Sue, have you had an opportunity to seek healthcare since this law went into effect? Webby >Sue, have you had an opportunity to seek healthcare since this law went >into effect? > >Webby Ahem, we all have the *opportunity* to seek health care at any time. Whether we avail ourselves of said opportunity is a different question entirely. Most only *seek* health care when there is a perceived need. Kinda like: "Gee Bob, it's a beautiful day, let's go shopping for car insurance !" -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >Sue, have you had an opportunity to seek healthcare since this law went > >into effect? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I guess you're right! I didn't want to pry ... you know, privacy and all that jazz... (excuse ;-) ) So when do people living in paradise ever make time to shop for car insurance? (One person's paradise is another's prison.) TW > So when do people living in paradise ever make time to shop for car > insurance? (One person's paradise is another's prison.) Paradise ? I would not call W_B's nine-chair clinic in Eastern Montana Paradise. Signature/ Amatus / > >> >Sue, have you had an opportunity to seek healthcare since this law went [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > TW >> So when do people living in paradise ever make time to shop for car >> insurance? (One person's paradise is another's prison.) > >Paradise ? I would not call W_B's nine-chair clinic in Eastern Montana >Paradise. Neither is your 14 chair in New Orleans. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com [cut] > Seriously though. Thank You for the info. I am supposed to know this > stuff. Unfortunately it does not interest me as much as the other > aspects of my job. > > -Sue Haven't you had to sign one of these things for yourself yet? Webby >prior to letting him do any work on me (after his staff was rude to >me and told me things like "If you don't sign the HIPAA form we'll just >do it for you anyway.". Actually, the HIPAA form has a line on it for the dental staff to sign if the patient refuses to sign the form. It merely states that the patient was given the opportunity to sign, but declined. Signature/ Amatus / > >>Yes you hit the nail on the head. The first Dentist I actually bailed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > allright then. sianara baby. So whats the point of protecting your privacy if the dentist/doctor/whatever can simply sign the form and never give it to you? > So whats the point of protecting your privacy if the > dentist/doctor/whatever can simply sign the form and never give it to > you? Well, that's a no-no. I don't know if all the enforcement stuff has been worked out yet--we'll see. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > >\> > >> Try a younger one... 10-15 yrs experience. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the person comfortable than in the past. Of course there > can be individual variations depending on personalities. Okay...I see what you are saying...but don't necessarily agree. I have met a lot of a**holes among my dental colleagues...(and perhaps they describe me this way as well...who knows)...but have found the negative characteristics spread evenly amongst age and experience levels. For every bored older dentist who is just going through the motions, there is a younger one who is a bit to hungry for $$ and is spreading himself or herself to thin to be what most people would consider nice. This is why I asked how the original poster found these two offices. I find that factors such as how busy an office is, how they market themselves, and other factors are a far better determinant of how the patients will be treated than is the age of the dentist. T >Okay...I see what you are saying...but don't necessarily agree. I have met a >lot of a**holes among my dental colleagues...(and perhaps they describe me >this way as well...who knows)...but have found the negative characteristics >spread evenly amongst age and experience levels. Alright, an even distribution of ahem.... negatives...among ages. >For every bored older dentist who is just going through the motions, there >is a younger one who is a bit to hungry for $$ and is spreading himself or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >T Yes, there are factors such as too high a volume to handle "nicely" and others, I agree. >Is it normal for Dentists to be terse, rude, not shake your hand, not >tell you what they're doing, not explain what they've done, and not be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Am I just having a bad run? Maybe you just bring out the best in people. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Is it normal for Dentists to be terse, rude, not shake your hand, not > tell you what they're doing, not explain what they've done, and not be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Am I just having a bad run? Not good and not normal. Are there any particular types of practices you are going to? How are you finding these dentists that have treated you so poorly? Just asking to try to figure out the answer to your last question. T > Is it normal for Dentists to be terse, rude, not shake your hand, not > tell you what they're doing, not explain what they've done, and not be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Am I just having a bad run? Yes, you're just having a bad run. Try asking friends, family, colleagues or acquaintances for recommendations. >Is it normal for Dentists to be terse, rude, not shake your hand, not >tell you what they're doing, not explain what they've done, C'Mon .... we are normally nice guys but they teach us in dental school to .....be terse, rude, not shake your hand, not tell you what we're doing, not explain what we've done, and not be >sensitive to the fact that they may be doing something that may hurt? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Am I just having a bad run? You have right to be unhappy. by the way..does this happen only in dentist office? do you get into arguments in other businesses? maybe you are just very sensitive person? just wondering. >You have right to be unhappy. by the way..does this happen only in >dentist office? do you get into arguments in other businesses? maybe >you are just very sensitive person? just wondering. I think your response is offensive. I personally have come across 3 horrible dentists, one in my childhood when I was not in a position to choose another dentist. This particular man seemed to hate children and wouldn't give any local anaesthetic before doing fillings. That didn't bother me and I still don't have anaesthesia but my sister suffered a lot of pain at the hands of that sadistic guy. As I have met 3 of the bad guys, I am quite convinced that the OP could easily have met 2 in succession. To suggest that it is his fault is pathetic. Ann Ann wrote: This particular man seemed to hate children and wouldn't give any local anaesthetic before doing fillings. That didn't bother me and I still don't have anaesthesia but my sister suffered a lot of pain at the hands of that sadistic guy. Ann, My mom would not let any of us get anesthetic at the dentist's office. She was against any "unecessary" med. She just said "no." Maybe if we needed a root canal or something she would have allowed it.. but we just had fillings, nothing major. I never thought about whether this was "cruel" or not. Is this being sadisitc? -Sue > >You have right to be unhappy. by the way..does this happen only in > >dentist office? do you get into arguments in other businesses? maybe [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ann Ann, My mom would not let any of us get anesthetic at the denitst's office. I never knew the difference because she just said "no." She was afraid of complications with any kind of "unecessary" med. Does that make her sadistic? I had never even though about whether this was "cruel" or not. Thanks, -Sue >Ann, >My mom would not let any of us get anesthetic at the denitst's office. She should have taken you to a *dentists* office instead. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>Ann, >>My mom would not let any of us get anesthetic at the denitst's office. > >She should have taken you to a *dentists* office instead. No.. a dentist's office. Ann >>>Ann, >>>My mom would not let any of us get anesthetic at the denitst's office. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Ann No there are three dentists in the dentists office ...... I know, I know ....... >No there are three dentists in the dentists office ...... -No there are three dentists in the dentists' office ...... > >No there are three dentists in the dentists office ...... > -No there are three dentists in the dentists' office ...... Or... There were three dentists in the dentists' offices. TW > My mom would not let any of us get anesthetic at the denitst's office. > I never knew the difference because she just said "no." She was afraid > of complications with any kind of "unecessary" med. Does that make > her sadistic? I had never even though about whether this was "cruel" or > not. It depends on how painful it was (higher than 10 on a scale from 1-10?), how prolonged, and how premeditated. I didn't have a parent with me who could have interfered. Certainly, I had nightmares for many years and had to throw up when I saw "Marathon Man". Very close to the bone. > > My mom would not let any of us get anesthetic at the denitst's office. > > I never knew the difference because she just said "no." She was afraid [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Certainly, I had nightmares for many years and had to throw up when I > saw "Marathon Man". Very close to the bone. I remember the first time I was asked the question, "On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the worst pain you have ever experienced and 1 representing no pain, how would you rate your pain today?" It was at that moment that I knew this scale would never really pertain to me. Why? There simply isn't any way that the difference between my "worst pain experience" (intensity, how long the pain lasted without relief, and other psychological impacts) and "no pain" is the distance between 1 and 10. I can understand that the use of this scale is a good tool for many people complaining of pain (acute or chronic). But someone needs to devise another scale for people who *believe* the use of that scale is useless for them given their experiences with pain. Webby It was at that moment that I knew this scale would never really pertain to me. Why? There simply isn't any way that the difference between my "worst pain experience" (intensity, how long the pain lasted without relief, and other psychological impacts) and "no pain" is the distance between 1 and 10. I can understand that the use of this scale is a good tool for many people complaining of pain (acute or chronic). But someone needs to devise another scale for people who *believe* the use of that scale is useless for them given their experiences with pain. Reply. I think the scale is pertaining to physical pain only. Psychologists have scales to measure emotional pain... is this what you are talking about? What kind of scale do you propose? If this is a sensitive subject, I apologize if my questions come across as rude. I am not quite certain as to what you are talking about (how serious you are about this). Thanks, Sue > It was at that moment that I knew this scale would never really pertain > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Sue I have started a new thread beginning with the content of this post and my replies. Please see: "The pain scale of 1-10" Webby I think 'scales' are attempts to classify an individual's perception of their pain intensity. Frequency and duration are two other important factors to consider along with how this pain interferes with daily activities (work, eating, sleep, etc.). No matter what the scale, one persons annoyance might be dibilitating to the next. Dentists see that every day just delivering anesthesia. Most people don't flinch (or *barely* react) during injections and others squirm and moan like they are being tortured. One would expect the same techniques, materials, and operator to get the same level of pain each and every time. Indeed that may be true to a point, but the individual interpretation of that pain goes from one extreme to the other. I don't get caught up trying to put numbers on pain intensity. Usually comments like: 'it hurts a little when I eat something cold', 'I can live with it', 'it doesn't keep me from eating!', 'I just notice something odd sometimes', 'it's just kind of sensitive' get placed into a mild category. 'I have to take ibuprofen sometimes', 'I can't chew on that side', 'it woke me up one night', 'I have to keep hot/cold away from that tooth', or 'the pain never really goes away' fit into moderate. 'I couldn't sleep at all last night', 'I'm miserable', 'you've got to help me', and the popular 'it's killing me Doc' get bumped up to severe. So we can't see pain and we can't accurately measure pain. Yet some of dentistry's main goals are to relieve pain, control pain, and try not to cause additional pain. Nothing beats trying to nail jello to a tree. ;-) Dartos > What kind of scale do you propose? If this is a sensitive subject, I > apologize if my questions come across as rude. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sue Dartos, I am sorry for being rude to your colleague (Vaughn) on another thread. It was not intentional. I was really stupid. I hope I can still post here. About dental-related pain. I had pain following crown work. It felt like someone was drilling my nerve. I went back 3x and asked if maybe I needed an xray. My dentist told me that it was not uncommon for the nerves to be sensitive following crown work...for up to 2 years even. The problem is not knowing when the pain is just normal (expected) or abnormal. I thought I was just being a baby. -Sue > I am sorry for being rude to your colleague (Vaughn) on another thread. > It was not intentional. I was really stupid. I hope I can still post > here. I previously told you what I thought. However, being a free country and all, no one but your ISP can stop you from posting to NG's. BTW, Vaughn is a fantastic human being who never deserves being rude to. He is intelligent and very compassionate. Anyone who attacks Vaughn, attacks me as well. Signature/ Amatus / > Dartos, > I am sorry for being rude to your colleague (Vaughn) on another thread. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -Sue You might want to try a real apology to Vaughn instead of me. Some of us are goofier than others and more likely to concoct a wierd story just to be obtuse. Vaughn isn't one of those, and while I will make a wry comment now and then <G>, I don't tend to make up those kinds of stories either. Dartos > Dartos, > I am sorry for being rude to your colleague (Vaughn) on another thread. > It was not intentional. I was really stupid. I hope I can still post > here. > -Sue > You might want to try a real apology to Vaughn instead of me. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > -Sue Dartos, I sent Vaughn a private apology last night. Thanks for the heads up. I do not make up those kinds of stories either. The story about my dad's sister dying of bacterial meningitis was true. Sue > You might want to try a real apology to Vaughn instead of me. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > -Sue I've been away most of the week tending to my sick mother in the hospital and I've just now returned home and to my computer. There may be an apology in my still unread posts... I don't know. And I agree with Dartos' position concerning this whole matter. Webby > > You might want to try a real apology to Vaughn instead of me. > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Webby Webby, I am sorry to hear about your mother. I hope she is doing better. I did not send the apology to you. I sent it to Vaughn. I thought everyone was talking amongst themselves, making sarcastic comments about my family on that thread.... after I mentioned that my dad's sister had died from TB. I was not sure if Vaughn was making things up about his family either, when he mentioned that his younger brother was conceived in the sanatorium then I thought he was making it up. So I was joking around back... ...then realized that maybe I was wrong and owed Vaughn an apology. When Vaughn showed how upset he was, obviously I realized that I had made a huge error in my post. I am sorry. I have been leery here. I am not sure when people are joking about me with the intent to ridicule, or when it is just having fun. I am not always sure when people are telling true stories about their families and/or themselves. I cannot figure it all out. I guess if I keep ticking people off then I should not be on a usenet group. Oh well. I am feeling really tired. TGIF. I hope you have a good weekend, Sue In certain parts of the world people still get teeth pulled without anesthesia. Yes if he had the anesthesia available he should have used it. Question is did the child cooperate enough for him to give the injection at that age??? Maybe he did but it wasn't effective because the child started to cry and not communicate if the anesthesia was adequate. We can speculate all we want of what really happened. I do not doubt that for the child this was traumatic and created deep memories and fear, the question now is what to do so those learned fears go away. >In certain parts of the world people still get teeth pulled without >anesthesia. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >that for the child this was traumatic and created deep memories and >fear, the question now is what to do so those learned fears go away. For me and my sister, we were very co-operative and wouldn't have dreamed of being anything but. We were very shy children and wouldn't have dared to make a scene. We did change dentists later and were offered anaesthesia which my sister took gratefully. I didn't, and have never bothered since. I hate the injection more than the pain which for me isn't so great, but I still hate that man for what he did to my sister. Ann >>In certain parts of the world people still get teeth pulled without >>anesthesia. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Ann WHOT? Your brother-in-law is the dentist? I do not get it. No i'm a very friendly guy and very outgoing. I try to make friends with everyone and be cordial and establish a relationship especially if this person is going to be jamming sh*t in my mouth :) |
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