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2Q: salaries & MonoDont

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StovePipe - 02 Nov 2005 17:47 GMT
Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
revenues should a secretary' salary be?

Q2: I have a MontDont to do to replace an upper right canine on a 70
year old. Is there anything special I should know? I'm gonna try and do
it myself with a denture tooth if possible (If I can get the monodont
wires here in CDN.).

Thanks

I'm not dead _yet_

SP
Sue - 02 Nov 2005 17:53 GMT
I'm not dead _yet_

Reply. I know this does not answer your Q, but is your secretary that
steals from you "dead' yet?

I am just curious as to what is happening. I will check the Freeze
panes thread.

I had better get back to work here though.  Too much on the board this
am.

Anyway good luck,
Sue
StovePipe - 04 Nov 2005 05:31 GMT
> I'm not dead _yet_
>
> Reply. I know this does not answer your Q, but is your secretary that
> steals from you "dead' yet?

We are having her killed at the end of the day tomorrow, her last day.
The Mad Dog secretaries came over across the floor and made a big show
of giving her flowers. The flowers will come in handy. I am being
pegged as the big bad heavy; Ainsi soit-il (So be it).... or as some of
us who went to University would say: 'So mote it be'... It is still
money that the family desparately needs. The Mad Dog secretaries do not
understand that. They should know _my_ side of the story, but that is
not for self-respecting Pipes of Stove to do: go pleading my case to a
Mad Dog's secretary.

We will finish the day, my assistant will pour water with a very high
salt content over her, while I take the business end of a 220 Volt
extension, and shove it up her.......... nose.

> I am just curious as to what is happening. I will check the Freeze
> panes thread.

I'll have my soap opera broadcast over Serius Satellite radio. Imagine
how it will stir things up at the Persian Embassy in Islamabad right
about now...

> I had better get back to work here though.  Too much on the board this
> am.
>
> Anyway good luck,
> Sue

Thanks for the kind encouraging words. Fortunately, I still have a song
in my heart....

< The Pipe puts an old, beat-up phonograph disk of Blue Swade Shoes on
the Victrola...>

.... Now- Go cat, Go.....

SP
W_B - 04 Nov 2005 17:19 GMT
>Thanks for the kind encouraging words. Fortunately, I still have a song
>in my heart....
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>SP

I kinda pictured The Pipe more as the Dennis Hopper character
in 'Blue Velvet'.

Turn to The Dark Side, Luke.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
StovePipe - 04 Nov 2005 22:46 GMT
W_B re-blebbed:

I kinda pictured The Pipe more as the Dennis Hopper character
in 'Blue Velvet'.

Turn to The Dark Side, Luke.

===========================

<... the Pipe don't have no Oxygen Mask here on the farm.... so he
takes a whiff of air on his CPAP machine....>

AH WANNA F--- EVERYTHING THAT MOVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SP
Sue - 07 Nov 2005 17:07 GMT
Ummmm... yuh.
If you are really seeking security, I have heard that  prison dentists
are in shortage......
The Pipe has spoken... or has been token.  I cannot figure out which.

:-) Sue
Sue - 02 Nov 2005 17:54 GMT
Oh one more thing.  Check with Dr. Maris Lans about the Mondont wires!
He can help you.

Sue
Amatus Cremona - 02 Nov 2005 18:06 GMT
> Q2: I have a MonoDont to do to replace an upper right canine on a 70
> year old. Is there anything special I should know? I'm gonna try and do
> it myself with a denture tooth if possible (If I can get the monodont
> wires here in CDN.).

I have a selection of them here at the office.  Let me know if you have
problems getting them.  I'd love to do it together with you.  Can you fly
into Oklahoma here ?

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Amatus

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> Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
> revenues should a secretary' salary be?
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>
> SP
StovePipe - 04 Nov 2005 06:21 GMT
I have a selection of them here at the office.  Let me know if you have

problems getting them.  I'd love to do it together with you.  Can you
fly
into Oklahoma here ?
--
Amatus
----------------------------------

??????? Okla.... Oh... that's right: you're down in Bowlegs, OK, aren't
you..... Here's your Oh-Fish-al web site, I think:

http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=15604

That means you're about 1060.5 miles from Roy, and I'm about 500 miles
from him on this side, so that means it's a tad difficult to bicycle
over to see you this weekend.... 'Specially since one of the last
chores my secretary did was to inform me with a wide grin that she had
'overlooked' telling me that we are scheduled for mandatory CPR
re-training on Saturday.... The Wolfe (I mean.... the Wife ) was
_thrilled_ to hear that at the very last second...

For some reason, my assistante thought that case was supposed to go to
the local lab. So when the local lab delivery man came by to ask if
there was any cases, she sent it off..... There was no prescription or
nothing; she figured I'd send it off in a FAX. I was less than pleased.
I'll have to get it back.... not exactly something to endear me to
them.

The big catch with this case is that the premolar is about two thirds
amalgam in the form of an MODL. I'd change that to composite and build
in the MO to accept the MonoDont in advance. I was thinking that it
would be less invasive by doing it in Diamond Crown material (you do
veneers on the facial teeth on either side and have the pontic tooth
suspended from those. Diamond Crown is really hard composite). The
thing is, I have really no experience with that, and in the position of
a canine, I don't think I can get away with less than the resiliance of
the MonoDont wires.

I'll try to get some pictures of the model.

Thanks for the offer to fly in and do it with youse, but the $$$ and
the time just aren't there....

Cheers
SP
W_B - 02 Nov 2005 18:15 GMT
>Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
>revenues should a secretary' salary be?

Shouldn't be a percentage.
Fixed salary or hourly salary based on community norms.

>Q2: I have a MontDont to do to replace an upper right canine on a 70
>year old. Is there anything special I should know? I'm gonna try and do
>it myself with a denture tooth if possible (If I can get the monodont
>wires here in CDN.).

Paging Dr. Steve-0

>Thanks
>
>I'm not dead _yet_
>
>SP

--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
StovePipe - 04 Nov 2005 06:25 GMT
W_B said:

Shouldn't be a percentage.
Fixed salary or hourly salary based on community norms.
---------------------------

Yes....which means I have to pay more $$$ to the CPA to be told that
community norm. I just wanted to know if there was a hard and fast rule
to apply: like if the total employees' salaries should not exceed 24pc
of gross earnings, the Front Desk should be one third of that, or what
ever.

10-Q
SP
Joel M. Eichen - 04 Nov 2005 10:07 GMT
>W_B said:
>
>Shouldn't be a percentage.
>Fixed salary or hourly salary based on community norms.

TRUE,

We pay $5.15 an hour ....... and the position is very hard to fill.

Joel

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>10-Q
>SP
Amatus Cremona - 04 Nov 2005 23:31 GMT
>We pay $5.15 an hour ....... and the position is very hard to fill.

$10 - $20 an hour is the going rate here in Alabama.

Forget the CPA, call 2-3 buddies in the areas and ask what they pay.

Amatus

>>W_B said:
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>>10-Q
>>SP

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Amatus

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StovePipe - 05 Nov 2005 02:19 GMT
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>We pay $5.15 an hour ....... and the position is very hard to fill.
$10 - $20 an hour is the going rate here in Alabama.
Forget the CPA, call 2-3 buddies in the areas and ask what they pay.
Amatus
====================

Yes here in Que-Bek, I'd say the going rate is equal to your rates over
there in Okla... (oh, sorry....) AllyBammah.... The CPA told me today
to cut my hours down to between 28 and 34. In that way, I will be
FORCE-ED to produce the sam quantity in less time, and so the overhead
will be easier to support. I have contacted my original secretary and
she will come back for a few months (she left because of conflict with
my earlier assistant; this individual is now fitted with lead slippers
in the bottom of some mellonaire's swimming pool...). She was an
assistante for nine years before turning secretarially inclined, and
the clinique ran well during those months.

As for contacting 2-3 buddies to find out what is a fair salary for
employees, that is not possible, as I replied to W_B: Dentists here are
incredibly jealous and clique-ish. I never even TRIED to fit that mold.
Even the PROFs are jealous here...

<the Pipe looks overe his shoulder a few times too many.....>

OT: looking over the adverts  that always accompany the Groups on the
right hand side, I see Laser Dentistry, Salaries (
www.engineergirl.org) and Pesticides: Careers (www.chem.duke.edu)...

Don't mind me.... I have decided to forego the Thorazine for awhile....

SP
Amatus Cremona - 07 Nov 2005 19:29 GMT
> As for contacting 2-3 buddies to find out what is a fair salary for
> employees, that is not possible, as I replied to W_B: Dentists here are
> incredibly jealous and clique-ish. I never even TRIED to fit that mold.
> Even the PROFs are jealous here...

Then, ask a lady friend, wife, sister to call some of the ads in the paper
and ask what the job is paying.

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> SP
StovePipe - 08 Nov 2005 04:24 GMT
Then, ask a lady friend, wife, sister to call some of the ads in the
paper
and ask what the job is paying.
Amatus
=============

I found out the info in reverse: I asked the ladies that answered my ad
in the local paper what they wanted to be paid;

from 12$ all the way up to 25$ or so.Now we know....

I've settled on my first secretary, She is coming back and working for
an average of 30 hours and for a salary of 16$ per hour. I said we'd
reevaluate in three months. I talked to the CPA last week, and he told
me for the amount of $$$ we are making right now, I shouldn't be paying
more than 28-30 hours. So, today, I told them all that we were
condencing our operation into four days. If the demand is there, we'll
add hours as need be, and eventually add the extra day if necessary.
But the days were we were taking one hour to do an MOD on a molar or
what ever are over; espcially since no-shows were starting to become a
problem.

We'll see how it goes
Thanks
SP
Amatus Cremona - 08 Nov 2005 13:12 GMT
> But the days were we were taking one hour to do an MOD on a molar or
> what ever are over; especially since no-shows were starting to become a
> problem.

We tell people that if they miss two appointments in a three month period
without giving more than one full business day's notice (that does NOT mean
Saturday messages on the recorder for Monday appointments), they get to pay
$35 per half hour of scheduled time.  In reality, we don't charge patients
for this until the third time.  If they have a valid emergency or illness,
they are totally forgiven.  I figure once they do this three times, I cannot
work long enough or hard enough to ever break even on this person.  I will
constantly lose money, since this person is habitual.  Sending them a
statement for the missed time either straightens them out (forces them to
realize the time is important), has no effect on them and they pay the fee,
or p**sses them off, and they leave the practice.  All three scenarios are
good for the practice.  Every patient signs a form with this spelled out in
detail.

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> Then, ask a lady friend, wife, sister to call some of the ads in the
> paper
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> Thanks
> SP
StovePipe - 09 Nov 2005 05:10 GMT
Upon the hallowed parchment of Amatus it is scribed:

Sending them a
statement for the missed time either straightens them out (forces them
to
realize the time is important), has no effect on them and they pay the
fee,
or p**sses them off, and they leave the practice.  All three scenarios
are
good for the practice.  Every patient signs a form with this spelled
out in
detail.
++++++++++++++++++

Yes.... I call this 'showing your teeth a bit'... and that's what I
intend to do. We have instituted the three no-show policy and I've had
a few patients come in for those early appointments with really long
faces: when they called to cancel next day's appointment, they were
told by the secretary that if they missed again, it's dossier closed.
It is amazing how many patients think that we are the corner store
(they feel free to come in any time-or _not_) or that they are 'doing
us a favor' by giving us their business...

This, of course, is my own fault.... One has to be polite but firm. I
have become this quite a bit lately, and those who huff and puff, I
take them into our little cafeteria room (the only place where we can
talk privately) and I compare our operation to an airline where every
seat is reserved and every seat costs money, whether you show up or
not.... It would be interesting to see if there could ever be an
insurance aginst no-shows for the dental office...

Thanks, I have archived this
SP
W_B - 04 Nov 2005 17:22 GMT
>W_B said:
>
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>10-Q
>SP

Some of the docs here may have those figures for you.

Methinks you depend on the CPA too much for such info.
Ask one of your dental buddies what they are doing in
regard to salaries, specialists will be higher than the GP
as a rule of thumb.

--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
StovePipe - 04 Nov 2005 22:40 GMT
W_B bleebed:

Methinks you depend on the CPA too much for such info.
Ask one of your dental buddies what they are doing in
regard to salaries, specialists will be higher than the GP
as a rule of thumb.

Ah, but you see: around here, the Dents are like children. HEY LOOK AT
ME.... I'm paying my secretary 200K per year!!!!! I don't believe a
word of what dentists around here say.... There are too many of us and
there are too few people with teeth in their heads and money in their
pockets. There is also a real Specialist Mafia... Don't try to overstep
your expertise; they'll ZAP ya with a malpractice claim at the local
dental society.

<... the Pipe eats the end off a cigar....>

SP
Joel M. Eichen - 03 Nov 2005 04:02 GMT
>Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
>revenues should a secretary' salary be?

Often its a huge percentage ...... send a picture of her and we can
advise you more .....

>Q2: I have a MontDont to do to replace an upper right canine on a 70
>year old. Is there anything special I should know? I'm gonna try and do
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>SP
Sue - 03 Nov 2005 21:31 GMT
"Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
revenues should a secretary' salary be? "

Hmm.  LEt's see.  YOu live in Canada, right?

Are you asking  % over the table or % under the table?

-Sue
Joel M. Eichen - 03 Nov 2005 23:45 GMT
>"Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
>revenues should a secretary' salary be? "

98%

>Hmm.  LEt's see.  YOu live in Canada, right?
>
>Are you asking  % over the table or % under the table?
>
>-Sue
StovePipe - 04 Nov 2005 06:34 GMT
> >"Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
> >revenues should a secretary' salary be? "
>
> 98%

Well, HELL, man.... why now make it an even 100pc and be done with it?

SP
Joel M. Eichen - 04 Nov 2005 10:08 GMT
>> >"Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
>> >revenues should a secretary' salary be? "
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>
>SP

Gotta see her photo first ..... then I will let you know ......
W_B - 04 Nov 2005 17:22 GMT
>> >"Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
>> >revenues should a secretary' salary be? "
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>SP

Most excellent, give the sec 100% of what she produces !
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
StovePipe - 04 Nov 2005 05:37 GMT
Sue scribbled:

Hmm.  LEt's see.  YOu live in Canada, right?
Are you asking  % over the table or % under the table?
----------------------
I don' t do nothin' under the table.... I'm too fat and inflexible.

YEs, I LIve in CAnada, RIght... (Why are we half-shouting???)
I mean the accountants would say that all employees' s salaries should
not exceed 24pc of gross income. I simply wanted to know what pc the
secretary's salary would be in that figure.

Never mind... I'll phone the White House

SP

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StovePipe - 04 Nov 2005 06:32 GMT
> >Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
> >revenues should a secretary' salary be?
>
> Often its a huge percentage ...... send a picture of her and we can
> advise you more .....

Here is a few she has on the we:

http://www.elvira.com/

SP
Joel M. Eichen - 04 Nov 2005 10:10 GMT
>> >Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
>> >revenues should a secretary' salary be?
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>
>SP

Cute drawing guy.

I am an Elvira fan, and I have loads of her photos plastered all over
my dorm room here at college.

Did you know she is age 56?

Sheesh, I hope my g.f. looks that good in another thirty years .......
Sue - 07 Nov 2005 16:55 GMT
> >> >Howdy gang. I should know this, but I don't: what percentage of total
> >> >revenues should a secretary' salary be?
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>
> Sheesh, I hope my g.f. looks that good in another thirty years .......

JOel,
Ummmm....
Now would that be MArty or MArcy.. or are you confusing both of them.
:-)
-Sue
 
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