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Amatus Cremona - 01 Nov 2005 14:31 GMT
I just had a patient call the office yesterday.  This is a patient who we
had been treating for many years.  This past year, they opted for an HMO
plan and left the practice.  Patient has a composite on the incisal edge of
a maxillary incisor.  Because of the parafunctional habits of this person,
they only get 2-3 years before the composite chips and has to be repaired.
As soon as they got on the HMO plan, it chipped again.  They waited a bit to
get in and have it fixed.  The HMO clinic repaired it, but it felt funny to
the patient on the way home.  That night, it fell off (the repair that is).
They call the office and are told they cannot be seen for 3-4 months and
that there is no guarantee since those composites never last any time.  They
insist the patient get a porcelain jacket on the tooth (not covered by the
plan, of course).  For a 2mm Disto-Incisal chip.  Funny how our bonding
always lasted 2-3 years for this person. And, each failure was within the
material, so that more enamel never had to be cut.  Since 1992, the
restoration has not gotten any bigger, and the patient is fine with the 2-3
year maintenance protocol.

I guess I get to do a small composite this week.

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ps.  I was flustered last night with slipping pegs.  Drove me nuts trying to
tune up.  I have to install some fine tuners on that thing.

kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 01 Nov 2005 15:16 GMT
This letter should go to the people in Washington that want to ban Amalgam.
Many people would opt for an amalgam filling rather than a porcelain jacket
on the tooth.   I had three composite restorations in the same place on the
same tooth with three different dentists and three different bills within
two or three weeks.     Amalgam may not be the best choice, but there is no
best choice besides extraction.
Gail

> I just had a patient call the office yesterday.  This is a patient who we
> had been treating for many years.  This past year, they opted for an HMO
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> ps.  I was flustered last night with slipping pegs.  Drove me nuts trying to
> tune up.  I have to install some fine tuners on that thing.
Dartos - 01 Nov 2005 16:02 GMT
IME, any tooth that cannot be restored with composite is very
unlikely to be successfully treated with amalgam either.
(assuming a competent dentist placing both restorations)

Amalgam advantages are fast, cheap, easy.  Nothing there
about quality of the final restoration.

Dartos

> This letter should go to the people in Washington that want to ban Amalgam.
> Many people would opt for an amalgam filling rather than a porcelain jacket
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> best choice besides extraction.
> Gail
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 01 Nov 2005 17:02 GMT
Apparently the ratio is 3-1 with whom I thought were very good dentists.
You could be right, but how much to spend finding the right dentist and that
is if the tooth holds up.     I assume you have a very good personal
dentist.
On one visit, I noticed a former retured dentist getting  his teeth cleaned
from my then present dentist.     What could be a better recommendation.
Gail

> IME, any tooth that cannot be restored with composite is very
> unlikely to be successfully treated with amalgam either.
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> > best choice besides extraction.
> > Gail
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 01 Nov 2005 17:29 GMT
> This letter should go to the people in Washington that want to ban Amalgam.
> Many people would opt for an amalgam filling rather than a porcelain jacket
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> best choice besides extraction.
> Gail

    This is a bit of a non-sequitur, since this isn't an amalgam story.
    2-3 years is not bad in this situation, depending on the particulars of
the fracture, any parafunction, etc.
    I have a couple that hold up very well--even big ones--because the
patient has severe open bite.  OTOH, I have some young patients whom I
don't want to do crowns on, with the entire incisal edge fractured off
from mesial to distal.  These tend to be difficult, and a continuous
maintenance problem.  One 8 year old girl will likely need endo and a
crown or veneer very soon, which almost guarantees it will have to be
redone by her teens.

Steve

>>I just had a patient call the office yesterday.  This is a patient who we
>>had been treating for many years.  This past year, they opted for an HMO
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>>tune up.  I have to install some fine tuners on that thing.

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Amatus Cremona - 01 Nov 2005 17:42 GMT
> 2-3 years is not bad in this situation, depending on the particulars of
> the fracture, any parafunction, etc.
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> One 8 year old girl will likely need endo and a crown or veneer very soon,
> which almost guarantees it will have to be redone by her teens.

Unfortunately, if you were to put a veneer, PFM or jacket on this tooth, the
patient would just chip that porcelain as well.  Parafunction is
_all-powerful_.  You can lessen its destruction with an NTI or other
appliance, but there will be times when the patient does not wear the
appliance and will therefore eventually chip it again.  I have lots of
incisal edge repairs which have held up for twenty years.  This is not one
of those.  Heck I have composites out there which virtually build up the
entire tooth above the soft tissues, and hold up for over ten years.
However, like you said, it depends on the parafunction intensity.

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>> This letter should go to the people in Washington that want to ban
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>>>tune up.  I have to install some fine tuners on that thing.
W_B - 01 Nov 2005 17:02 GMT
>I guess I get to do a small composite this week.

At full fee.
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W_B
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Amatus Cremona - 01 Nov 2005 17:24 GMT
> At full fee.

Yes, that is good for me, but a shame for the patient who thought they were
going to get a good deal with the HMO.

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>>I guess I get to do a small composite this week.
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
W_B - 01 Nov 2005 18:07 GMT
>> At full fee.
>
>Yes, that is good for me, but a shame for the patient who thought they were
>going to get a good deal with the HMO.

A wise man once said:
Sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you get less.
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