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JimSocal - 27 Oct 2005 07:35 GMT
WHen I went to the UCLA dental school a few weeks ago, they had a sign
in the lobby about how good various types of tea were for dental and
gum health.

The sign pointed out verious types of substances found in various
types of tea that were good for dental health.

I did not write down nor memorize the details but the gist of it was
that white tea, green tea, black tea and oolong tea all had substances
in them which were good for dental health. It gave the details but I
did not write them down and cannot find the specific info on the net.

The gist of it was that tea is good for teeth and gums.

Obviously sugar is not good for teeth. However recent research I have
found on the net indicates that xylitol - a sugar like substance made
from corn or wood - is good for teeth and gums, so drinking tea with
xylitol instead of sugar would be very good for dental heatlh.

I did find references saying that a tea bag could be used to help heal
an extracted tooth, that a tea bag could be held against the
extraction instead of gauze.

Comments?
Joel M. Eichen - 27 Oct 2005 10:30 GMT
>WHen I went to the UCLA dental school a few weeks ago, they had a sign
>in the lobby about how good various types of tea were for dental and
>gum health.

Bah, the Dean owns a small tea company ......

Joel

>The sign pointed out verious types of substances found in various
>types of tea that were good for dental health.
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>
>Comments?
george1234 - 27 Oct 2005 15:32 GMT
>The sign pointed out verious types of substances found in various
>types of tea that were good for dental health.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1
2472837&dopt=Citation


The purpose of this study was to determine the usefulness of green tea
catechin for the improvement of periodontal disease. The minimum
inhibitory concentration (MIC) and bactericidal activity of green tea
catechin against black-pigmented, Gram-negative anaerobic rods (BPR)
were measured. ..<snip>... Green tea catechin showed a bactericidal
effect against BPR and the combined use of mechanical treatment and
the application of green tea catechin using a slow release local
delivery system was effective in improving periodontal status.
somebody - 27 Oct 2005 16:16 GMT
Jim,

As a nondentist,  take my words with a grain of salt.

>From what I have heard it is not necessarily xylitol that benfits
teeth, but chewing gum stimulates saliva flow.  Saliva itself has
protects the teeth against the bacteria that cause decay.

Even stick-gum with sugar is not as bad as one might think because the
sugar is gone fairly quickly while the saliva flow keeps going as long
as the gum is chewed.  Of course sugarless is better than sugar gum!

Green and black tea have been touted has continaing high levels of
antioxidants.  I cannot tell you what benefits these give to dental
health however as I have not studied the subject.  I can tell you this
though:  They will stain natural teeth over time.

But these days many have ceramic teeth that are not readily stained by
red wine, coffee or tea..lol.  And Those that do have natural teeth can
always get them bleached.  :-)

Anyway some sources  write that coenzyme Q10 is good for peridontal
health (ggod for the gum tissue).  Other sources say there has not been
enough clinical evidence established to make this claim.

Good luck.  I think it is wonderful that you are taking your oral
health seriously and looking into all of these things!  Your oral
health reflects general health more than you may realize.  It does not
hurt ot take good care of your whole self too (good nutrition, rest,
exercise, .. you know the routine.. lol).  All this will have an
effect, as science is finding that these are inter-related much more
than ever thought before.

Take care,
-Sue
somebody - 27 Oct 2005 16:23 GMT
Jim,

Oops sorry.. just did a quick search on xylitol... I am SO wrong!  I
did not realize that xylitol was more than just a sweetener.
Apparently it does have some clincal claims that of which I was
unaware.

Cool.  Thanks for the tip!

"Xylitol is clinically proven to:

-Fight and Reduce Plaque
-Fight Cavities
-Reduces the secretion of Plaque Acids
-Facilitates the Remineralization of Tooth Enamel
-Fight and lessen the occurence of Inner Ear Infection"
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 27 Oct 2005 16:34 GMT
> Jim,
>
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> -Facilitates the Remineralization of Tooth Enamel
> -Fight and lessen the occurence of Inner Ear Infection"

Whoops--I see you did a search.
Do we infuse this directly into the ear?

Steve

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somebody - 27 Oct 2005 17:08 GMT
Whoops--I see you did a search.
Do we infuse this directly into the ear?

Steve

LOL.  I am not sure.  I cut and paste the info directly as presented...

I have heard that colloid silver is being sold over the internet for
sinus infection. I was diagnosed with chrnic sinus infection by ENT
(funny thing was I never had any discharge, mucous or anything that
outwardly looked like a sinus infeciton...)  They wanted to roto-rooter
my nose (as I have a deviated septum or something like that).  I was
too scared.. I balked!!

but YET, I was so depserate for relief that I actually bought some
colloid silver .. thinking ... maybe I can just try this instead, lol.

Later I read in the paper that some U.S. senator (cannot remember his
name) .. Anyway I read hat his face turned BLUE from administering too
much colloid silver into his nasal passsges.  (Apparently he was trying
it too!)

Thanks God I did not use enough of it to turn my face blue. lol.   BTW,
it never did a thing for my sinus pain either.  :-) :-)

-Sue
W_B - 27 Oct 2005 19:12 GMT
>> -Fight and lessen the occurence of Inner Ear Infection"
>
>Whoops--I see you did a search.
>Do we infuse this directly into the ear?
>
>Steve

Blow in my ear and ...
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 27 Oct 2005 16:32 GMT
> Jim,
>
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> Take care,
> -Sue

    My kid brother worked for Wrigley in the 1970s.  I remember when they
came out with their xylitol gum--I believe it was called Orbit.  It was
removed for a time from the market because of a cancer scare (I believe
the risk was never substantiated, but don't quote me).
    From what I've seen, the xylitol actually did have a protective effect
above what chewing sugarless gum did.  The sugar alcohol may have
competitively suppressed bacteria by interfering with bacterial
carbohydrate metabolism.

Steve

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george1234 - 27 Oct 2005 17:20 GMT
>    From what I've seen, the xylitol actually did have a protective effect
>above what chewing sugarless gum did.  The sugar alcohol may have
>competitively suppressed bacteria by interfering with bacterial
>carbohydrate metabolism.

That's my understanding... the bugs can't digest it

According to Dr Spiller (http://www.doctorspiller.com/Tooth_Decay.htm

" Xylitol blocks bacteria from producing the acids that cause tooth
decay. Xylitol decreases the level of bacteria known to ferment sugars
which produce acid.  Xylitol decreases plaque formation.
Xylitol helps promote remineralization of previously decayed tooth
structure.

The beneficial effects were discoverd in Finland, where they used it
for a sugar substitute in WW2. Here is some of what the Finn's have to
say
http://www.xylitolinfo.com/web/xy/default/presentation/home/about/history.html
http://xylitol.org/drmakinen.asp
http://www.xlear.com/xylitol/williams.aspx

They claim benefis for diabetes, gum disease, and prevention of acute
otitis media... It seems to cure what ails you,better yet.. to prevent
what ails you.

The US Army is convinced... at least wrt teeth
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/TNSarchives/February04/023404.htm
"A gum containing the sweetener xylitol, which is proven to prevent
cavities, will replace the gum now being packed into Soldiers’ MREs"

and wait .. there is more

"Not only is it marketed as a dental aid, it’s also been proven to
reduce inner ear infections by 40 percent, help heal skin infections,
treat cystic fibrosis and greatly reduce sinus infections. Xylitol
also increases the body’s absorption of calcium."

It seems the only thing it does not come with is a set of Ginzu knives

--G
george1234 - 27 Oct 2005 17:36 GMT
>    From what I've seen, the xylitol actually did have a protective effect
>above what chewing sugarless gum did.  The sugar alcohol may have
>competitively suppressed bacteria by interfering with bacterial
>carbohydrate metabolism.

There is a second effect hypothesized , it keeps the bugs from
sticking to the gums

"Xylitol, by virtue of its pentitol nature, modifies the outer
environment of selected pathogenic organisms and the outer structures
of the organisms themselves. Such changes may result in a lowered
ability of the organisms to adhere onto epithelial cell surfaces and
other host tissue surfaces, reducing the risk of infection."

(*)http://xylitol.org/drmakinen.asp
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 27 Oct 2005 19:27 GMT
>>    From what I've seen, the xylitol actually did have a protective effect
>>above what chewing sugarless gum did.  The sugar alcohol may have
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>
> (*)http://xylitol.org/drmakinen.asp

    Hmmm.  It makes them "slicker'n snot on a doorknob" I suppose.

Steve

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pellmellwillynilly@hotmail.com - 28 Oct 2005 17:48 GMT
Dr. Steve wrote:
> Hmmm. It makes them "slicker'n snot on a doorknob" I suppose.

EWWWWWW!
W_B - 28 Oct 2005 17:54 GMT
>Dr. Steve wrote:
>> Hmmm.     t makes them "slicker'n snot on a doorknob" I suppose.
>
>EWWWWWW!

Guess you're not interested in: slicker'n a $2 ***** on friday night ?
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Oct 2005 02:39 GMT
>>Dr. Steve wrote:
>>> Hmmm.     t makes them "slicker'n snot on a doorknob" I suppose.
>>
>>EWWWWWW!
>
>Guess you're not interested in: slicker'n a $2 ***** on friday night ?

Jello-Shots?
Steven Bornfeld - 28 Oct 2005 22:38 GMT
> Dr. Steve wrote:
>
>>Hmmm. ?It makes them "slicker'n snot on a doorknob" I suppose.
>
> EWWWWWW!

    Do we have any Texans here?
    Did a bike tour about 15 years ago, one of the guys was a lawyer from
Texas.  He gave me that one.  Also, "rainin' like an ol' dawg".
I think there were others.  Very colorful.

Steve

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DrSteve - 29 Oct 2005 01:03 GMT
Watch it Bornfeld, You might have to take heat for Mancuso's postings in the
future.

Do you really want my screen-name?  Maybe you have a nick-name you could
trade for it?????????

SM

>> Dr. Steve wrote:
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> Steve
Steven Bornfeld - 29 Oct 2005 02:50 GMT
> Watch it Bornfeld, You might have to take heat for Mancuso's postings in the
> future.
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>
> SM

    I was starting to wonder where you've gone.
    I have taken the heat at least once for something you've posted.  If
you're interested in that boring story, e-mail me.

Steve

>>>Dr. Steve wrote:
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>>Steve

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W_B - 31 Oct 2005 22:13 GMT
>> Dr. Steve wrote:
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>Steve

Hangin' in there like a barbed wire girdle.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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Amatus Cremona - 01 Nov 2005 14:37 GMT
> Do we have any Texans here?

Do I count?

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W_B - 01 Nov 2005 17:02 GMT
>> Do we have any Texans here?
>
>Do I count?

Sure you do.
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W_B
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Amatus Cremona - 01 Nov 2005 17:25 GMT
>>Do I count?
>
> Sure you do.

1-2-3-4-5-

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 01 Nov 2005 17:21 GMT
>>Do we have any Texans here?
>
> Do I count?

    You tell me--everyone knows where I am.

Steve

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Amatus Cremona - 01 Nov 2005 17:33 GMT
> You tell me--everyone knows where I am.

Me too, but don't say it out loud.

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> Steve
letsconnect - 27 Oct 2005 17:30 GMT
> The sign pointed out verious types of substances found in various
> types of tea that were good for dental health.

Fluoride would be one of them.

After extractions, it's the tannic acid that aids clotting, as far as
I'm aware.
 
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