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LadyLollipop - 24 Oct 2005 02:25 GMT Peripheral Neuropathy NOT Diabetic neuropathy
Is what Chuck and *I* have.
It can be caused from HEAVY METALS, AS IN
Hg toxicity.
This is from the Merck Manual:
Types of Neuropathies: Mononeuropathy = disease of a single nerve Multiple Mononeuropathy = 2 or more nerves in separate areas Polyneuropathy = many nerves simultaneously
Some causes of Peripheral Neuropathy:(not intended to be an all-inconclusive list - I listed just a few ).
Diabetes, Trauma / Injury: Carpal Tunnel or other diseases that cause entrapment of the nerve, Pressure (like in people that are paralyzed, in a coma or bedridden); Tumors; Violent muscular activity or forcible overextension of a joint (constant; tight gripping of an object or constant vibration, like that caused by air hammer operators). Hemorrhage; Exposure to cold or radiation; Lack of blood supply
Disease processes: SLE; Scleroderma; Sarcoidosis; RA; Infectious agents (Lyme disease); Viral infections (Guillain-Barre syndrome)
Toxic Agents: Sulfonamides; Phenytoin (Dilantin); barbital, chlorobutanol; hexobarbital; heavy metals; carbon monoxide; many other solvents and other industrial poisons
Nutritional Deficiency: Vitamin b deficiency (this can be caused by alcoholism; anemia; INH -drug used for TB; disorders that prevent absorption of vitamin B; hypothyroidism; patients on dialysis; )
Malignancy: Myeloma; lymphoma
Basically, anything that prevents the nerve from properly sending the sensation of pain and/or temperature to the brain; or anything that prevents the brain from sending signals to the muscles telling them to contract and relax. The signs and symptoms depend on which nerve(s) are affected. Some neuropathies only affect sensory nerves (pain, temperature) while other neuropathies affect motor nerves (muscle movement).
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>What is Peripheral Neuropathy? > Peripheral Neuropathy is the term used to describe disorders resulting >from injury to the peripheral nerves. It can be caused by diseases that >affect only the peripheral nerves or by conditions that affect other parts >of the body as well. And symptoms almost always involve weakness, numbness >or pain - usually in the arms and legs. It will be helpful for you to know a
>few basics of nerve biology to understand how neuropathy gets started. > The Peripheral Nervous System is one of the two main divisions of the >body's nervous system. (The other is the Central Nervous System, which >includes the brain and spinal cord.) "Peripheral" means away from the >center: and this system contains the nerves that connect the Central Nervous
>System to the muscles, skin and internal organs. ===================
http://search.medscape.com/px/mscpsearch?QueryText=peripheral+neuroapthy+heavy+m etals&searchfor=Clinical&cid=med
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What Could Cause Peripheral Neuropathy in an Adult Woman? ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Question A 40-year-old female presents with bilateral numbness, weakness, and loss of sensation in all fingers above the proximal interphalangeal joints sparing the thumbs. The pain has been constant for approximately a month and worsening; there are no other neurologic system complaints or any positive findings on physical examination. What are the differential diagnoses for peripheral neuropathy?
Stephanie Cullinane, PA-C
Response from Blaine Carmichael, PA-C, 09/07/00 The most common categories of peripheral neuropathy are either acquired or inherited. Two sets of questions must be addressed initially: Is the neuropathy a polyneuropathy or mononeuropathy? Second, is the process acute, subacute, or chronic?
The causes of acute ascending motor paralysis with minimal sensory disturbance comprise Guillain-Barré syndrome and diphtheritic polyneuropathy; subacute causes may include nutritional deficiency, alcoholism (beriberi), pellagra, and vitamin B12 deficiency. Another category of subacute causes of polyneuropathy includes poisoning with heavy metals and solvents, such as arsenic, lead, mercury, thallium, methyl-n-butylketone, n-hexane, methyl bromide, organophosphates, and acrylamide. Additional causes may include drug intoxication (isoniazid, ethionamide, hydralazine, nitrofurantoin, disulfiram, vincristine, chloramphenicol, phenytoin, dapsone), uremic neuropathy, mononeuropathy multiplex typically seen in diabetes mellitus, sarcoidosis, and polyarteritis nodosa.
Causes of chronic polyneuropathy may include a benign form seen in elderly patients, connective tissue diseases, uremia, beriberi carcinoma (paraneoplastic syndrome), paraproteinemias, hypothyroidism, amyloidosis, diabetes mellitus, and leprosy.[1]
In terms of this patient's symptoms, particularly the tingling sensation in all of her fingers, all of these causes of peripheral neuropathy should be considered. A number of the polyneuropathies have obvious and well-defined causes such as diabetes, uremia, or nutritional deficiencies. Other entities to consider include mechanical pressure (eg, compression or entrapment [carpal tunnel syndrome]), direct trauma, penetrating injuries, contusions, fracture or dislocated bones; pressure involving the superficial nerves (ulna, radial, or peroneal) which can result from prolonged use of crutches or staying in 1 position for too long. Among the collagen vascular disorders, systemic lupus erythematosus, scleroderma, sarcoidosis, rheumatoid arthritis, and polyarteritis nodosa may be included in the differential diagnosis.
Common causes of peripheral mononeuropathies include repetitive activities such as typing or working on an assembly line.[2] In this case, the neuropathy may be isolated to the upper extremities, such as with carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS); although sparing of the thumbs is unusual, it does not exclude this diagnosis. Other entities to consider include medications and chemical exposures. Medications causing peripheral neuropathy include several AIDS drugs (HIVID (zalcitabine) [formerly called 2',3'-dideoxycytidine (ddC)], and VIDEX® (didanosine) [formerly called dideoxyinosine (ddI)]), the antibiotics metronidazole and isoniazid, gold compounds, and antineoplastic agents such as vincristine.
The initial evaluation should include a fasting serum glucose, glycosylated hemoglobin, blood urea nitrogen, creatinine, complete blood cell count, erythrocyte sedimentation rate, urinalysis, vitamin B12 and thyrotropin stimulating hormone levels. Electromyelogram and nerve conduction studies are often the most useful initial laboratory studies in the evaluation of a patient with peripheral neuropathy.[3] A neurology referral is indicated if the initial evaluation does not result in a diagnosis.
Treatment includes removal of the offending agents in toxic neuropathies. For example, in alcoholic neuropathy alcohol cessation is advised, while In Lyme disease pathogens are removed with antibiotic treatment. In deficiency state syndromes as beriberi, scurvy, or pernicious anemia, appropriate vitamin replacement is indicated, and in relapsing demyelinating polyneuritis, steroids and plasma exchanges may be needed. Neuropathic pain in polyneuropathies is treated with a bedtime dose of amitriptyline. Neuralgic pain (stabbing, shooting) is treated with anticonvulsant doses of phenytoin or carbamazepine. Capsaicin cream is useful for neuropathic pain. For compression mononeuropathies (such as carpal tunnel syndrome), first treat with splints, nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs, or local steroid injections. If these primary care approaches fail, a referral for surgical release is indicated.
References
1. Dyck P, Thomas P, eds. Peripheral Neuropathy, vol. 2, 3rd ed. Philadelphia, Pa: W.B. Saunders Co.; 1992. 2. Hallett M, Tandon D, Berardelli A. Treatment of peripheral neuropathies. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry. 1985;48;1193-1207. 3. Dyck PJ, Thomas PK, eds. Diabetic Neuropathy, 2nd ed. Philadelphia, Pa: W.B. Saunders Co.; 1999.
Suggested Reading Bracker MD, Ralph LP. The numb arm and hand. Am Fam Physician. 1995;51:103-116.
McLeod JG. Investigation of peripheral neuropathy. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry. 1995;58:274-283.
Poncelet AN. An algorithm for the evaluation of peripheral neuropathy. Am Fam Physician. 1998;57:755-764. Available at http://www.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/poncelet.html
Comments 9/13/00 Excellent article.
I just wanted to bring amyloidosis more to the forefront in evaluating peripheral neuropathies. This woman's case doesn't classically fit amyloidosis. However, amyloidosis is such a devastating disease for which there is now treatment available, that I wanted to highlight it. Patients with amyloidosis often go undiagnosed or misdiagnosed while the disease ravages their bodies. Early treatment is vital to get optimal results from the treatment. The current recommended treatment is high-dose chemotherapy with stem cell transplant.
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http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~afXN44:14
The dental amalgam issue: A review. Authors: HANSON M PLEVA J
Author Address: Nils Pals vag 28, S-24014 Veberod, Swed.
Source: EXPERIENTIA (BASEL); 47 (1). 1991. 9-22.
Abstract: BIOSIS COPYRIGHT: BIOL ABS. Using an interdisciplinary approach, the current position in the dental amalgam controversy and the potential impact of amalgam mercury of human health are reviewed. Aspects of materials science, corrosion, mercury exposure, toxicology, neurology and immunology are included. New data on mercury exposure form corroded amalgam fillings in vivo are presented. The exposure can reach levels considerably over known threshold limit values. Also, measurements of mercury absorption from intraoral air are presented. The vital importance of avoiding a galvanic amalgam-gold coupling is emphasized. the symptomatology of a disabled patient, who recovered after amalgam removal, has been included. It is concluded that discussion of the dental amalgam issue has suffered from the lack of an interdisciplinary approach. It would be wise to learn from the lesson of acrodynia, and consider amalgam mercury among other possible factors in neurological and immunological diseases of unclear etio
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~afXN44:24
Neurological and behavioural disorders in humans have been observed following inhalation of elemental mercury vapour, ingestion or dermal application of inorganic mercury-containing medicinal products, such as teething powders, ointments, and laxatives, and ingestion of contaminated food. A broad range of symptoms has been reported, and these symptoms are qualitatively similar, irrespective of the mercury compound to which one is exposed. Specific neurotoxic symptoms include tremors, emotional lability, insomnia, memory loss, neuromuscular changes, headaches, polyneuropathy, and performance deficits in tests of cognitive and motor function. Although improvement in most neurological dysfunctions has been observed upon removal of persons from the source of exposure, some changes may be irreversible. Acrodynia and photophobia have been reported in children exposed to excessive levels of metallic mercury vapours and/or inorganic mercury compounds. As with many effects, there is great variability in the susceptibility of humans to the neurotoxic effects of mercury. The primary effect of long-term oral exposure to low amounts of inorganic mercury compounds is renal damage. Inorganic forms of mercury have also been associated with immunological effects in both humans and susceptible strains of laboratory rodents,
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~afXN44:29
Mercury Burden and Health Impairment in Dental Auxilaries
Authors: Shapiro IM Bloch P Ship II Spitz L Sumner A Uzzell B
Source: Final Report, Grant R01-OH-00886, 26 pages, 8 references0000
Abstract: An effort was made to develop a safe and effective x-ray fluorescence system for monitoring mercury (7439976) and other elements in human tissues in-situ, to determine mercury levels in 207 dental auxiliaries exposed to dental amalgam on the job, to evaluate mercury in matching nonexposed populations and in 298 dentists using mercury amalgam, and to evaluate deficiencies in central and peripheral nervous systems resulting from the mercury exposure. Mercury levels were below 20 micrograms/gram in 60 percent of the dentists and 90 percent of the dental auxiliaries. Dentists with the higher mercury concentrations in their heads or wrists had considerably longer median motor distal latencies and median F-wave latency. Five of them demonstrated abnormalities consistent with carpal tunnel syndrome; seven had polyneuropathies defined as reduced motor or sensory conduction velocities of response amplitudes in two or more nerves. No significant differences were found in the results of neurological studies conducted on dental auxiliaries, whether they had high levels or no detectable levels of mercury in their bodies. Neuropsychological tests indicated both groups of dental workers were adversely affected by mercury exposure. Deficits were noted in performance in grooved pegboard and recurrent figures tests.
http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/mercury/medical.htm
Safe Mercury Management
http://www.edelsoncenter.com/Mercury/mercury_amalgams.htm
http://tuberose.com/Mercury.html
http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section14/chapter183/183f.htm
Toxic agents generally cause polyneuropathy but sometimes mononeuropathy. They include emetine, hexobarbital, barbital, chlorobutanol, sulfonamides, phenytoin, nitrofurantoin, the vinca alkaloids, ****heavy metals****, carbon monoxide, triorthocresyl phosphate, orthodinitrophenol, many solvents, other industrial poisons, and certain AIDS drugs (eg, zalcitabine, didanosine).
http://www.myfootshop.com/detail.asp?Condition=Peripheral%20Neuropathy
Differential Diagnosis: Peripheral neuropathy is a symptoms of a more general disease process including;
Collagen vascular conditions - Systemic lupus, scleroderma, sarcoidosis, diabetes or Lyme's DiseaseToxic agents - Chemicals and drugs include emetine, hexobarbital, barbital, chlorobutanol, sulfonimides, phenytoin, nitrofurantion, vinca alkyloids, *****heavy metals******, carbon monoxide, triorthocresylphosphate, orthodinitrophenol. Excessive alcohol intake is a common toxic agent.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000593.htm
The peripheral nerves are responsible for relaying information from your
*****central nervous system *****
(brain and spinal cord) to muscles and other organs. Peripheral nerves also relay information back to your spinal cord and brain from your skin, joints, and other organs. Peripheral neuropathy occurs when these nerves fail to function properly, resulting in loss of sensation, pain, or inability to control muscles.
Exposure to toxic compounds sniffing glue or other toxic compounds nitrous oxide industrial agents--especially solvents heavy metals (lead, arsenic, mercury, etc.)
http://www.hendrickhealth.org/healthy/001046.htm
The classification system is composed of six principal neuropathic syndromes, which are subdivided into more specific categories. By narrowing down the possible diagnoses in this way, specific medical tests can be used more efficiently and effectively. The six syndromes and a few associated causes are listed below:
Subacute sensorimotor paralysis. The term sensorimotor refers to neuropathies that are mainly characterized by sensory symptoms, but also have a minor component of motor nerve problems. Poisoning with heavy metals (e.g., lead, mercury, and arsenic),
Heavy metals are the third group of toxins that cause peripheral neuropathy. Lead, arsenic, thallium, and mercury usually are not toxic in their elemental form, but rather as components in organic or inorganic compounds.
http://www.injuryboard.com/view.cfm/ID=358
Peripheral Neuropathy is a condition characterized by a group of symptoms related to abnormalities in sensory or motor nerves. Nerve endings that culminate in muscles, blood vessels, and skin are affected resulting in nerve damage to the hands, toes, fingers, arms, and legs. A loss of bladder control may also occur. The use of certain medications and exposure to toxic chemicals are leading causes of peripheral neuropathy. Solvents such as n-hexane can lead to the disorder as well as prolonged exposure to carbon monoxide and heavy metals.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/poncelet.html
Metal neuropathy Chronic arsenic intoxication Mercury Gold Thallium
http://praxis.md/common/bhg/bhg.asp?page=BHG01NE12§ion=report
Exposure to toxic chemicals can cause neuropathy. Toxic chemicals that can cause neuropathy include industrial agents such as solvents; heavy metals such as lead, arsenic, and mercury; pesticides; and nitrous oxide.
>> http://www.neurologychannel.com/neuropathy/>>
>> Neuropathy(also known as peripheral neuropathy, sensory peripheral >neuropathy, >> or peripheral neuritis) is a painful condition related to damaged >peripheral >> nerves. Peripheral nervesare the nerves that branch out from the spinal >cord >> and connect the brain (via the spinal cord) to all the parts of the body. >> Peripheral nerves are fragile and can be easily damaged by many factors >such as >> diabetes, infections (including leprosy), alcoholism, autoimmune >> diseases, >and >> exposure to**** heavy metals**** or toxic solvents. Mechanical pressure >> on >a >> nerve, whether from an injury, bone fracture, tumor, or any number of >other >> problems, can cause what is known as entrapment, or obstructive, >neuropathy. >> Carpal tunnel syndrome is a common obstructive neuropathy. Neuropathy >affects >> more than 2 million Americans at any given time. In the U.S., diabetes is >one >> of the most common causes of neuropathy, although leprosy, which is >> caused >by a >> bacterial infection, is the most common cause of neuropathy worldwide.
>> Peripheral Nueropathy Experts.
>> http://thriveonline.oxygen.com/cgi-bin/thriveall?vcs_personality=thri... >> l&vcs_mode=search_db&vcs_range=1-60&expert_bill=&thriveterm=peripheral+neu >> ropathy&x=44&y=6
>> The list of possible causes of a peripheral neuropathy is a long one. It >> includes diabetes, many drugs, various industrial chemicals, alcoholism, >Lyme >> disease, various vitamin deficiencies, ****various metal poisonings >(arsenic, >> lead, mercury)****, HIV infection, syphilis, and diphtheria. Although >vitamin >> deficiencies, alcoholism, syphilis, and diphtheria accounted for most >cases in >> the pre-antibiotic era, diabetes is probably the most common identifiable >cause >> now. There is also an inherited form of the condition which may be more >common >> than most doctors appreciate. The inherited form of peripheral neuropathy >is >> usually not severe, does not progress rapidly, and does not produce >debility >> such as inability to walk. =============
http://www.medicinenet.com/peripheral_neuropathy/article.htm
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http://www.khorrami.com/Amalgam%20Web/Amalgam/Mercury%20Toxicity.htm
Studies have confirmed more subtle effects such as preclinical changes in kidney function and behavioral and cognitive changes associated with effects on the central nervous system.
http://www.mercuryeis.com/documents/healthfactsheet_screen.pdf
The Central Nervous system is the major organ afected by chronic (long term) exposure to elemental mercury
http://www.orcbs.msu.edu/AWARE/pamphlets/hazwaste/mercuryfacts.html
Chronic effects include central nervous system effects, kidney damage and birth defects. Genetic damage is also suspected.Nervous system effects. These are the most critical effects of chronic mercury exposure from adult exposure as they are consistent and pronounced. some elemental mercury is dissolved in the blood and may be transported across the blood/brain barrier, oxidized and retained in brain tissue
http://robleslawcenter.com/Mercury.htm
Mercury poisoning is the ill effects on humans nervous system and other bodily systems due to the over-exposure of mercury. Mercury is a neurotoxin, meaning it affects the nervous system
Nerve damage: It may start with a fine tremor (shaking) of the hand, loss of sensitivity in hands and feet, difficulty in walking, or slurred speech. Tremors may also occur in the tongue and eyelids. Eventually this can progress to trouble balancing and walking. It has even caused paralysis and death in rare cases.
http://www.vdh.state.va.us/HHControl/Mercury.PDF
The Nervous System is sensitive to all forms of mercury.
http://www.khorrami.com/Amalgam%20Web/Amalgam/Mercury%20Toxicity.htm
Mercury is also poisonous to the human nervous system.
http://www.llnl.gov/es_and_h/hsm/doc_14.05/doc14-05.html#2.1
All forms of mercury are toxic. Elemental mercury, as a vapor, penetrates the central nervous system, where it is ionized and trapped, attributing to its extreme toxic effects
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=peripheral+neuropathy+heavy+metals&...
Ted,This is a great explanation! I will add my .02 cents. This is from the MerckManual:Types of Neuropathies:Mononeuropathy = disease of a single nerveMultiple Mononeuropathy = 2 or more nerves in separate areasPolyneuropathy = many nerves simultaneouslySome causes of Peripheral Neuropathy:(not intended to be an all-inconclusivelist - I listed just a few ).Diabetes,Trauma / Injury:Carpal Tunnel or other diseases that cause entrapment of the nerve, Pressure(like in people that are paralyzed, in a coma or bedridden); Tumors; Violentmuscular activity or forcible overextension of a joint (constant; tightgripping of an object or constant vibration, like that caused by air hammeroperators).Hemorrhage; Exposure to cold or radiation; Lack of blood supplyDisease processes:SLE; Scleroderma; Sarcoidosis; RA; Infectious agents (Lyme disease); Viralinfections (Guillain-Barre syndrome)Toxic Agents:Sulfonamides; Phenytoin (Dilantin); barbital, chlorobutanol; hexobarbital;***heavy metals***; carbon monoxide; many other solvents and other industrial poisons
http://www.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/poncelet.html
Metal neuropathy Chronic arsenic intoxication
Mercury
Gold
Thallium
http://www.aafp.org/afp/971200ap/mcknight.html
Toxins Chemotherapy
Heavy metals
Medications (didanosine [Videx],
zalcitabine [Hivid], stavudine [Zerit])
Industrial exposures Chronic overdosage of pyridoxine
World Health Organization: Recommended Health-Based Limits on OccupationalExposure to Heavy Metals. Report of a WHO Study Group, 467 WHO Tech. Rep. Ser.1 (1980) ("Exposure of women of child-bearing age to mercury vapor should be aslow as possible because elemental mercury readily passes the placentalbarrier."). See also, Macdonald, Occupational Hazards in Dentistry, 12 J.CALIF. DENT. A. 17 (1984).
Mercury is also poisonous to the human nervous system
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~gauntlet/eg/news/stories/20010329/news05.html
Mercury damages nerve cells U of C researcher records destruction of essential structures A University of Calgary researcher knows exactly how your fillings can wreck your brain cells.
Professor of physiology and biophysics Dr. Fritz Lorscheider recently found and recorded the damage caused to neurons by the mercury contained in mercury amalgam fillings. He said people should take notice of these findings.
"We need to take mercury exposure much more seriously," he said.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=peripheral+neuropathy+heavy+metals&... =90&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=6JbV8.937%24A43.83724%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net&rnum=95
From a naturopathic standpoint, various American bio-technology patentsreflect that certain Mycoplasma infections can be addressed with teapolyphenols, sulfatides (hominis), and monoclonal antibodies. Otherreported alternative treatments include the heavy metals (such as
colloidal silver,
gold,
lead,
and mercury
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http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~K5DNZb:4
Authors:
Taskinen H
Kinnunen E
Riihimaki V
Source: Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment and Health, Vol. 15, No. 4, pages 302-304, 10 references, 1989
Abstract:
A possible case of mercury (7439976) poisoning resulting from grinding old amalgam fillings was described. A 60 year old female developed stomatitis, sore throat, an odd taste in her mouth, dizziness, and headache starting 2 weeks after two teeth previously filled with amalgams were ground. The procedure was part of a 2.5 month series of dental treatments to improve her occlusion. During the treatment 11 more amalgam filled teeth were ground. Two months after beginning the treatment the patient experienced sharp pains in her thorax, a temperature of 38.9 degrees-C and erythrocyte sedimentation rates of 26 to 28 millimeters per hour for 3 weeks. During the last month of dental treatment she lost the sense of touch in her left hand fingers, her fingers became sensitive to cold, and her left hand grip weakened. The sense of touch in her left foot became weaker and she developed muscular twitchings of the upper lip. She had difficulty in remembering things and her general health deteriorated. One year later a neurological examination revealed peripheral neuropathy which gradually improved over the next year. Electroneuromyograms of the upper and lower limbs and electroencephalograms were normal. Her cognitive capabilities were good; however, some impairment in motor performance was noted. Urine samples obtained at periodic intervals starting 3 months after dental treatment showed initial mercury concentrations of approximately 20 micrograms per liter (microg/l) gradually decreasing to 1microg/l over the next year. The authors conclude that some of the patient's symptoms may have been due to mercury poisoning resulting from inhaling mercury vapor generated by grinding the amalgams. A potential risk of mercury vapor exposure exists for both the patient and dentist when old amalgams are ground extensively.
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An autopsy case of minamata disease (methylmercury poisoning)--pathological viewpoints of peripheral nerves.
Eto K, Tokunaga H, Nagashima K, Takeuchi T.
National Institute for Minamata Disease, Ministry of the Environment, Minamata City, Kumamoto, Japan. kom...@nimd.go.jp
The outbreak of methylmercury poisoning in the geographic areas around Minamata Bay, Kumamoto, Japan in the 1950s has become known as Minamata disease. Based on earlier reports and extensive pathological studies on autopsied cases at the Kumamoto University School of Medicine, destructive lesions in the anterior portion of the calcarine cortex and depletion predominantly of granular cells in the cerebellar cortex came to be recognized as the hallmark and diagnostic yardstick of methylmercury poisoning in humans. As the number of autopsy cases of Minamata disease increased, it became apparent that the cerebral lesion was not restricted to the calcarine cortex but was relatively widespread. Less severe lesions, believed to be responsible for the motor symptoms of Minamata patients, were often found in the precentral, postcentral, and lateral temporal cortices. These patients also frequently presented with signs of sensory neuropathy affecting the distal extremities. Because of few sufficiently comprehensive studies, peripheral nerve degeneration has not been universally accepted as a cause of the sensory disturbances in Minamata patients. The present paper describes both biopsy and autopsy findings of the peripheral nerves in a male fisherman who died at the age of 64 years and showed the characteristic central nervous system lesions of Minamata disease at autopsy. A sural nerve biopsy with electron microscopy performed 1 month prior to his death showed endoneurial fibrosis and regenerated myelin sheaths. At autopsy the dorsal roots and sural nerve showed endoneurial fibrosis, loss of nerve fibers, and presence of Bungner's bands. The spinal cord showed Wallerian degeneration of the fasciculus gracilis (Goll's tract) with relative preservation of neurons in sensory ganglia. These findings support the contention that there is peripheral nerve degeneration in Minamata patients due to toxic injury from methylmercury.
Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment and Health, Vol. 15, No. 4, pages 302-304, 10 references, 1989 Abstract: A possible case of mercury (7439976) poisoning resulting from grinding old amalgam fillings was described. A 60 year old female developed stomatitis, sore throat, an odd taste in her mouth, dizziness, and headache starting 2 weeks after two teeth previously filled with amalgams were ground. The procedure was part of a 2.5 month series of dental treatments to improve her occlusion. During the treatment 11 more amalgam filled teeth were ground. Two months after beginning the treatment the patient experienced sharp pains in her thorax, a temperature of 38.9 degrees-C and erythrocyte sedimentation rates of 26 to 28 millimeters per hour for 3 weeks. During the last month of dental treatment she lost the sense of touch in her left hand fingers, her fingers became sensitive to cold, and her left hand grip weakened. The sense of touch in her left foot became weaker and she developed muscular twitchings of the upper lip. She had difficulty in remembering things and her general health deteriorated. One year later a neurological examination revealed peripheral neuropathy which gradually improved over the next year. Electroneuromyograms of the upper and lower limbs and electroencephalograms were normal. Her cognitive capabilities were good; however, some impairment in motor performance was noted. Urine samples obtained at periodic intervals starting 3 months after dental treatment showed initial mercury concentrations of approximately 20 micrograms per liter (microg/l) gradually decreasing to 1microg/l over the next year. The authors conclude that some of the patient's symptoms may have been due to mercury poisoning resulting from inhaling mercury vapor generated by grinding the amalgams. A potential risk of mercury vapor exposure exists for both the patient and dentist when old amalgams are ground extensively.
Source: Acta Neurol. Scand. 51(S59): 7-43; 1975.(304 references) Abstract: PESTAB. Reports are assembled which attempt to show a relation between a disease, toxin, or therapeutic agent and the peripheral neuropathy syndrome. A wide variety of chemical agents disrupt the precarious metabolic interrelationship of the nerve axon and its Schwann cell coverings to produce the polyneuropathy syndrome. Heavy metals are the most common toxic cause of polyneuropathy. Included among these cases are suicide attempts using arsenical rat poisons. Arsenic produces a painful polyneuropathy, mercury an almost pure motor one. Therapy in most of the toxic neuropathies centers on removal of the patient from chronic exposure to the toxin. Medical therapy may accelerate elimination of the toxin. The use of chelating drugs has been studied, and dimercaprol is recommended for mercury and arsenic. Chronic exposure to the herbicide, 2,4-D, and related compounds can produce polyneuropathy, as can prolonged exposure to DDT and methyl bromide.
Source: Clinical Occupational Medicine; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, W. B. Saunders Company, pages 118-134, 11 references, 19861986 Abstract: Occupational diseases of the nervous system are discussed, including central nervous system disorders such as toxic encephalopathy (either acute or chronic), tumors, and Parkinsonian movement disorders as well as peripheral nervous system disorders such as toxic polyneuropathy, neuromuscular junction blockade and traumatic disorders including interstitial (vascular related to vibration) and parenchymal (compressive or entrapment mononeuropathy) disorders. Agents which have been shown to produce brain tumors in experimental animals are listed. Occupations in which epidemiologic studies suggest an excess of brain tumors include aluminum (7429905) workers, chemists, lead smelter workers, machinists, medical personnel, oil refinery workers, petrochemical workers, pharmaceutical workers, rubber workers, veterinarians, and vinyl-chloride (75014) workers. Substances which cause peripheral neuropathies fall into the following categories: metals including lead (7439921), arsenic (7440382), mercury (7439976), and thallium (7440280); solvents including hexacarbons, trichloroethylene (79016), and carbon-disulfide (75150); gases such as methyl-bromide (74839) and carbon-monoxide (630080); pesticides and herbicides including chlordecone (143500), some organophosphates, and chlorinated phenol derivatives; and plastics including acrylamide (79061), dimethylaminopropionitrile (1738256), and styrene (9003536). A number of such agents can also cause central neuropathies, including organic solvents, asphyxiant gases, pesticides and heavy metals.
Sue - 24 Oct 2005 15:31 GMT Lollypop,
I did not read your entire post... but I suppose you must know about
Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy
Since Chuck was so obsessed with the topic of diabetes ... or at least ragging on Dr. Eichen about this,
I ASSumed that Chuck suffers from diabetes. If Chuck does happen to suffer from diabetes than it is my uneducated guess (as a nondoctor) that:
At the very LEAST, his diabetes contributes to this comorbidity that you define as peripheral neuropathy as a result of heavy metal poisoning.
In fact his peripheral neuropathy may be the sole result of his diabetes, but I suspect that neither one of you would ever resign to believing that just may be the case.... (that is if Chuck suffers from diabetes).
In reality, the true cause(s) for Chuck's PN likely remain unclear.
Perhaps bantering with you and Chuck may be more stimulating, but I have a "boring" life outside of internet quarrels.
On the serious side, I am sorry that you both suffer from illness. It seems you both hold a lot of anger towards the dental and medical professions. I hope that you both find some peace of mind some day.
Sue
Sue - 24 Oct 2005 17:42 GMT P.S
To Jan:
Perhaps you can consult with the Mayo Clinic on this:
"Unfortunately, it's not always easy to pinpoint the cause of peripheral neuropathy. In fact, if your neuropathy isn't associated with diabetes, it's possible the cause may never be found."
http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectid=299185F1-834D-4191-9573A9B58C3D3D6 B&dsection=3
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Unfortunately doctors are not gods. Good luck with your issues.
Sincerely, Sue
LadyLollipop - 24 Oct 2005 21:20 GMT > P.S > > To Jan: > > Perhaps you can consult with the Mayo Clinic on this:
> ************************************************************************** > > Unfortunately doctors are not gods. Good luck with your issues. > > Sincerely, > Sue Sue:
I suggest you read what I posted, it is much more than what Mayco Clinc knows, it is studies from experts and toxocologist, toxnet and toxline, etc.
It appears, you were not interested.
FYI, I have researched PN for years.
Peripheral Neuropathy NOT Diabetic neuropathy
Is what Chuck and *I* have.
It can be caused from HEAVY METALS, AS IN
Hg toxicity.
This is from the Merck Manual:
Types of Neuropathies: Mononeuropathy = disease of a single nerve Multiple Mononeuropathy = 2 or more nerves in separate areas Polyneuropathy = many nerves simultaneously
Some causes of Peripheral Neuropathy:(not intended to be an all-inconclusive list - I listed just a few ).
Diabetes, Trauma / Injury: Carpal Tunnel or other diseases that cause entrapment of the nerve, Pressure (like in people that are paralyzed, in a coma or bedridden); Tumors; Violent muscular activity or forcible overextension of a joint (constant; tight gripping of an object or constant vibration, like that caused by air hammer operators). Hemorrhage; Exposure to cold or radiation; Lack of blood supply
Disease processes: SLE; Scleroderma; Sarcoidosis; RA; Infectious agents (Lyme disease); Viral infections (Guillain-Barre syndrome)
Toxic Agents: Sulfonamides; Phenytoin (Dilantin); barbital, chlorobutanol; hexobarbital; heavy metals; carbon monoxide; many other solvents and other industrial poisons
Nutritional Deficiency: Vitamin b deficiency (this can be caused by alcoholism; anemia; INH -drug used for TB; disorders that prevent absorption of vitamin B; hypothyroidism; patients on dialysis; )
Malignancy: Myeloma; lymphoma
Basically, anything that prevents the nerve from properly sending the sensation of pain and/or temperature to the brain; or anything that prevents the brain from sending signals to the muscles telling them to contract and relax. The signs and symptoms depend on which nerve(s) are affected. Some neuropathies only affect sensory nerves (pain, temperature) while other neuropathies affect motor nerves (muscle movement).
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>few basics of nerve biology to understand how neuropathy gets started. > The Peripheral Nervous System is one of the two main divisions of the >body's nervous system. (The other is the Central Nervous System, which >includes the brain and spinal cord.) "Peripheral" means away from the >center: and this system contains the nerves that connect the Central Nervous
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http://search.medscape.com/px/mscpsearch?QueryText=peripheral+neuroap...
http://www.medscape.com/medscape/PhysicianAsst/AskExperts/2000/09/PA-ae1 7.html
Ask the Experts on . . .
What Could Cause Peripheral Neuropathy in an Adult Woman? ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Question A 40-year-old female presents with bilateral numbness, weakness, and loss of sensation in all fingers above the proximal interphalangeal joints sparing the thumbs. The pain has been constant for approximately a month and worsening; there are no other neurologic system complaints or any positive findings on physical examination. What are the differential diagnoses for peripheral neuropathy?
Stephanie Cullinane, PA-C
Response from Blaine Carmichael, PA-C, 09/07/00 The most common categories of peripheral neuropathy are either acquired or inherited. Two sets of questions must be addressed initially: Is the neuropathy a polyneuropathy or mononeuropathy? Second, is the process acute, subacute, or chronic?
The causes of acute ascending motor paralysis with minimal sensory disturbance comprise Guillain-Barré syndrome and diphtheritic polyneuropathy; subacute causes may include nutritional deficiency, alcoholism (beriberi), pellagra, and vitamin B12 deficiency. Another category of subacute causes of polyneuropathy includes poisoning with heavy metals and solvents, such as arsenic, lead, mercury, thallium, methyl-n-butylketone, n-hexane, methyl bromide, organophosphates, and acrylamide. Additional causes may include drug intoxication (isoniazid, ethionamide, hydralazine, nitrofurantoin, disulfiram, vincristine, chloramphenicol, phenytoin, dapsone), uremic neuropathy, mononeuropathy multiplex typically seen in diabetes mellitus, sarcoidosis, and polyarteritis nodosa.
Causes of chronic polyneuropathy may include a benign form seen in elderly patients, connective tissue diseases, uremia, beriberi carcinoma (paraneoplastic syndrome), paraproteinemias, hypothyroidism, amyloidosis, diabetes mellitus, and leprosy.[1]
In terms of this patient's symptoms, particularly the tingling sensation in all of her fingers, all of these causes of peripheral neuropathy should be considered. A number of the polyneuropathies have obvious and well-defined causes such as diabetes, uremia, or nutritional deficiencies. Other entities to consider include mechanical pressure (eg, compression or entrapment [carpal tunnel syndrome]), direct trauma, penetrating injuries, contusions, fracture or dislocated bones; pressure involving the superficial nerves (ulna, radial, or peroneal) which can result from prolonged use of crutches or staying in 1 position for too long. Among the collagen vascular disorders, systemic lupus erythematosus, scleroderma, sarcoidosis, rheumatoid arthritis, and polyarteritis nodosa may be included in the differential diagnosis.
Common causes of peripheral mononeuropathies include repetitive activities such as typing or working on an assembly line.[2] In this case, the neuropathy may be isolated to the upper extremities, such as with carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS); although sparing of the thumbs is unusual, it does not exclude this diagnosis. Other entities to consider include medications and chemical exposures. Medications causing peripheral neuropathy include several AIDS drugs (HIVID (zalcitabine) [formerly called 2',3'-dideoxycytidine (ddC)], and VIDEX® (didanosine) [formerly called dideoxyinosine (ddI)]), the antibiotics metronidazole and isoniazid, gold compounds, and antineoplastic agents such as vincristine.
The initial evaluation should include a fasting serum glucose, glycosylated hemoglobin, blood urea nitrogen, creatinine, complete blood cell count, erythrocyte sedimentation rate, urinalysis, vitamin B12 and thyrotropin stimulating hormone levels. Electromyelogram and nerve conduction studies are often the most useful initial laboratory studies in the evaluation of a patient with peripheral neuropathy.[3] A neurology referral is indicated if the initial evaluation does not result in a diagnosis.
Treatment includes removal of the offending agents in toxic neuropathies. For example, in alcoholic neuropathy alcohol cessation is advised, while In Lyme disease pathogens are removed with antibiotic treatment. In deficiency state syndromes as beriberi, scurvy, or pernicious anemia, appropriate vitamin replacement is indicated, and in relapsing demyelinating polyneuritis, steroids and plasma exchanges may be needed. Neuropathic pain in polyneuropathies is treated with a bedtime dose of amitriptyline. Neuralgic pain (stabbing, shooting) is treated with anticonvulsant doses of phenytoin or carbamazepine. Capsaicin cream is useful for neuropathic pain. For compression mononeuropathies (such as carpal tunnel syndrome), first treat with splints, nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs, or local steroid injections. If these primary care approaches fail, a referral for surgical release is indicated.
References
1. Dyck P, Thomas P, eds. Peripheral Neuropathy, vol. 2, 3rd ed. Philadelphia, Pa: W.B. Saunders Co.; 1992. 2. Hallett M, Tandon D, Berardelli A. Treatment of peripheral neuropathies. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry. 1985;48;1193-1207. 3. Dyck PJ, Thomas PK, eds. Diabetic Neuropathy, 2nd ed. Philadelphia, Pa: W.B. Saunders Co.; 1999.
Suggested Reading Bracker MD, Ralph LP. The numb arm and hand. Am Fam Physician. 1995;51:103-116.
McLeod JG. Investigation of peripheral neuropathy. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry. 1995;58:274-283.
Poncelet AN. An algorithm for the evaluation of peripheral neuropathy. Am Fam Physician. 1998;57:755-764. Available at http://www.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/poncelet.html
Comments 9/13/00 Excellent article.
I just wanted to bring amyloidosis more to the forefront in evaluating peripheral neuropathies. This woman's case doesn't classically fit amyloidosis. However, amyloidosis is such a devastating disease for which there is now treatment available, that I wanted to highlight it. Patients with amyloidosis often go undiagnosed or misdiagnosed while the disease ravages their bodies. Early treatment is vital to get optimal results from the treatment. The current recommended treatment is high-dose chemotherapy with stem cell transplant.
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http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~afXN44:14
The dental amalgam issue: A review. Authors: HANSON M PLEVA J
Author Address: Nils Pals vag 28, S-24014 Veberod, Swed.
Source: EXPERIENTIA (BASEL); 47 (1). 1991. 9-22.
Abstract: BIOSIS COPYRIGHT: BIOL ABS. Using an interdisciplinary approach, the current position in the dental amalgam controversy and the potential impact of amalgam mercury of human health are reviewed. Aspects of materials science, corrosion, mercury exposure, toxicology, neurology and immunology are included. New data on mercury exposure form corroded amalgam fillings in vivo are presented. The exposure can reach levels considerably over known threshold limit values. Also, measurements of mercury absorption from intraoral air are presented. The vital importance of avoiding a galvanic amalgam-gold coupling is emphasized. the symptomatology of a disabled patient, who recovered after amalgam removal, has been included. It is concluded that discussion of the dental amalgam issue has suffered from the lack of an interdisciplinary approach. It would be wise to learn from the lesson of acrodynia, and consider amalgam mercury among other possible factors in neurological and immunological diseases of unclear etio
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~afXN44:24
Neurological and behavioural disorders in humans have been observed following inhalation of elemental mercury vapour, ingestion or dermal application of inorganic mercury-containing medicinal products, such as teething powders, ointments, and laxatives, and ingestion of contaminated food. A broad range of symptoms has been reported, and these symptoms are qualitatively similar, irrespective of the mercury compound to which one is exposed. Specific neurotoxic symptoms include tremors, emotional lability, insomnia, memory loss, neuromuscular changes, headaches, polyneuropathy, and performance deficits in tests of cognitive and motor function. Although improvement in most neurological dysfunctions has been observed upon removal of persons from the source of exposure, some changes may be irreversible. Acrodynia and photophobia have been reported in children exposed to excessive levels of metallic mercury vapours and/or inorganic mercury compounds. As with many effects, there is great variability in the susceptibility of humans to the neurotoxic effects of mercury. The primary effect of long-term oral exposure to low amounts of inorganic mercury compounds is renal damage. Inorganic forms of mercury have also been associated with immunological effects in both humans and susceptible strains of laboratory rodents,
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~afXN44:29
Mercury Burden and Health Impairment in Dental Auxilaries
Authors: Shapiro IM Bloch P Ship II Spitz L Sumner A Uzzell B
Source: Final Report, Grant R01-OH-00886, 26 pages, 8 references0000
Abstract: An effort was made to develop a safe and effective x-ray fluorescence system for monitoring mercury (7439976) and other elements in human tissues in-situ, to determine mercury levels in 207 dental auxiliaries exposed to dental amalgam on the job, to evaluate mercury in matching nonexposed populations and in 298 dentists using mercury amalgam, and to evaluate deficiencies in central and peripheral nervous systems resulting from the mercury exposure. Mercury levels were below 20 micrograms/gram in 60 percent of the dentists and 90 percent of the dental auxiliaries. Dentists with the higher mercury concentrations in their heads or wrists had considerably longer median motor distal latencies and median F-wave latency. Five of them demonstrated abnormalities consistent with carpal tunnel syndrome; seven had polyneuropathies defined as reduced motor or sensory conduction velocities of response amplitudes in two or more nerves. No significant differences were found in the results of neurological studies conducted on dental auxiliaries, whether they had high levels or no detectable levels of mercury in their bodies. Neuropsychological tests indicated both groups of dental workers were adversely affected by mercury exposure. Deficits were noted in performance in grooved pegboard and recurrent figures tests.
http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/mercury/medical.htm
Safe Mercury Management
http://www.edelsoncenter.com/Mercury/mercury_amalgams.htm
http://tuberose.com/Mercury.html
http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section14/chapter183/183f.htm
Toxic agents generally cause polyneuropathy but sometimes mononeuropathy. They include emetine, hexobarbital, barbital, chlorobutanol, sulfonamides, phenytoin, nitrofurantoin, the vinca alkaloids, ****heavy metals****, carbon monoxide, triorthocresyl phosphate, orthodinitrophenol, many solvents, other industrial poisons, and certain AIDS drugs (eg, zalcitabine, didanosine).
http://www.myfootshop.com/detail.asp?Condition=Peripheral%20Neuropathy
Differential Diagnosis: Peripheral neuropathy is a symptoms of a more general disease process including;
Collagen vascular conditions - Systemic lupus, scleroderma, sarcoidosis, diabetes or Lyme's DiseaseToxic agents - Chemicals and drugs include emetine, hexobarbital, barbital, chlorobutanol, sulfonimides, phenytoin, nitrofurantion, vinca alkyloids, *****heavy metals******, carbon monoxide, triorthocresylphosphate, orthodinitrophenol. Excessive alcohol intake is a common toxic agent.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000593.htm
The peripheral nerves are responsible for relaying information from your
*****central nervous system *****
(brain and spinal cord) to muscles and other organs. Peripheral nerves also relay information back to your spinal cord and brain from your skin, joints, and other organs. Peripheral neuropathy occurs when these nerves fail to function properly, resulting in loss of sensation, pain, or inability to control muscles.
Exposure to toxic compounds sniffing glue or other toxic compounds nitrous oxide industrial agents--especially solvents heavy metals (lead, arsenic, mercury, etc.)
http://www.hendrickhealth.org/healthy/001046.htm
The classification system is composed of six principal neuropathic syndromes, which are subdivided into more specific categories. By narrowing down the possible diagnoses in this way, specific medical tests can be used more efficiently and effectively. The six syndromes and a few associated causes are listed below:
Subacute sensorimotor paralysis. The term sensorimotor refers to neuropathies that are mainly characterized by sensory symptoms, but also have a minor component of motor nerve problems. Poisoning with heavy metals (e.g., lead, mercury, and arsenic),
Heavy metals are the third group of toxins that cause peripheral neuropathy. Lead, arsenic, thallium, and mercury usually are not toxic in their elemental form, but rather as components in organic or inorganic compounds.
http://www.injuryboard.com/view.cfm/ID=358
Peripheral Neuropathy is a condition characterized by a group of symptoms related to abnormalities in sensory or motor nerves. Nerve endings that culminate in muscles, blood vessels, and skin are affected resulting in nerve damage to the hands, toes, fingers, arms, and legs. A loss of bladder control may also occur. The use of certain medications and exposure to toxic chemicals are leading causes of peripheral neuropathy. Solvents such as n-hexane can lead to the disorder as well as prolonged exposure to carbon monoxide and heavy metals.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/poncelet.html
Metal neuropathy Chronic arsenic intoxication Mercury Gold Thallium
http://praxis.md/common/bhg/bhg.asp?page=BHG01NE12§ion=report
Exposure to toxic chemicals can cause neuropathy. Toxic chemicals that can cause neuropathy include industrial agents such as solvents; heavy metals such as lead, arsenic, and mercury; pesticides; and nitrous oxide.
>> http://www.neurologychannel.com/neuropathy/>> >> Neuropathy(also known as peripheral neuropathy, sensory peripheral [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >debility >> such as inability to walk. =============
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http://www.khorrami.com/Amalgam%20Web/Amalgam/Mercury%20Toxicity.htm
Studies have confirmed more subtle effects such as preclinical changes in kidney function and behavioral and cognitive changes associated with effects on the central nervous system.
http://www.mercuryeis.com/documents/healthfactsheet_screen.pdf
The Central Nervous system is the major organ afected by chronic (long term) exposure to elemental mercury
http://www.orcbs.msu.edu/AWARE/pamphlets/hazwaste/mercuryfacts.html
Chronic effects include central nervous system effects, kidney damage and birth defects. Genetic damage is also suspected.Nervous system effects. These are the most critical effects of chronic mercury exposure from adult exposure as they are consistent and pronounced. some elemental mercury is dissolved in the blood and may be transported across the blood/brain barrier, oxidized and retained in brain tissue
http://robleslawcenter.com/Mercury.htm
Mercury poisoning is the ill effects on humans nervous system and other bodily systems due to the over-exposure of mercury. Mercury is a neurotoxin, meaning it affects the nervous system
Nerve damage: It may start with a fine tremor (shaking) of the hand, loss of sensitivity in hands and feet, difficulty in walking, or slurred speech. Tremors may also occur in the tongue and eyelids. Eventually this can progress to trouble balancing and walking. It has even caused paralysis and death in rare cases.
http://www.vdh.state.va.us/HHControl/Mercury.PDF
The Nervous System is sensitive to all forms of mercury.
http://www.khorrami.com/Amalgam%20Web/Amalgam/Mercury%20Toxicity.htm
Mercury is also poisonous to the human nervous system.
http://www.llnl.gov/es_and_h/hsm/doc_14.05/doc14-05.html#2.1
All forms of mercury are toxic. Elemental mercury, as a vapor, penetrates the central nervous system, where it is ionized and trapped, attributing to its extreme toxic effects
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=peripheral+neuropathy+heavy+metals&...
Ted,This is a great explanation! I will add my .02 cents. This is from the MerckManual:Types of Neuropathies:Mononeuropathy = disease of a single nerveMultiple Mononeuropathy = 2 or more nerves in separate areasPolyneuropathy = many nerves simultaneouslySome causes of Peripheral Neuropathy:(not intended to be an all-inconclusivelist - I listed just a few ).Diabetes,Trauma / Injury:Carpal Tunnel or other diseases that cause entrapment of the nerve, Pressure(like in people that are paralyzed, in a coma or bedridden); Tumors; Violentmuscular activity or forcible overextension of a joint (constant; tightgripping of an object or constant vibration, like that caused by air hammeroperators).Hemorrhage; Exposure to cold or radiation; Lack of blood supplyDisease processes:SLE; Scleroderma; Sarcoidosis; RA; Infectious agents (Lyme disease); Viralinfections (Guillain-Barre syndrome)Toxic Agents:Sulfonamides; Phenytoin (Dilantin); barbital, chlorobutanol; hexobarbital;***heavy metals***; carbon monoxide; many other solvents and other industrial poisons
http://www.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/poncelet.html
Metal neuropathy Chronic arsenic intoxication
Mercury
Gold
Thallium
http://www.aafp.org/afp/971200ap/mcknight.html
Toxins Chemotherapy
Heavy metals
Medications (didanosine [Videx],
zalcitabine [Hivid], stavudine [Zerit])
Industrial exposures Chronic overdosage of pyridoxine
World Health Organization: Recommended Health-Based Limits on OccupationalExposure to Heavy Metals. Report of a WHO Study Group, 467 WHO Tech. Rep. Ser.1 (1980) ("Exposure of women of child-bearing age to mercury vapor should be aslow as possible because elemental mercury readily passes the placentalbarrier."). See also, Macdonald, Occupational Hazards in Dentistry, 12 J.CALIF. DENT. A. 17 (1984).
Mercury is also poisonous to the human nervous system
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~gauntlet/eg/news/stories/20010329/news05.html
Mercury damages nerve cells U of C researcher records destruction of essential structures A University of Calgary researcher knows exactly how your fillings can wreck your brain cells.
Professor of physiology and biophysics Dr. Fritz Lorscheider recently found and recorded the damage caused to neurons by the mercury contained in mercury amalgam fillings. He said people should take notice of these findings.
"We need to take mercury exposure much more seriously," he said.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=peripheral+neuropathy+heavy+metals&...=90&hl =en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=6JbV8.937%24A43.83724%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.ne t&rnum=95
From a naturopathic standpoint, various American bio-technology patentsreflect that certain Mycoplasma infections can be addressed with teapolyphenols, sulfatides (hominis), and monoclonal antibodies. Otherreported alternative treatments include the heavy metals (such as
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http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~K5DNZb:4
Authors:
Taskinen H
Kinnunen E
Riihimaki V
Source: Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment and Health, Vol. 15, No. 4, pages 302-304, 10 references, 1989
Abstract:
A possible case of mercury (7439976) poisoning resulting from grinding old amalgam fillings was described. A 60 year old female developed stomatitis, sore throat, an odd taste in her mouth, dizziness, and headache starting 2 weeks after two teeth previously filled with amalgams were ground. The procedure was part of a 2.5 month series of dental treatments to improve her occlusion. During the treatment 11 more amalgam filled teeth were ground. Two months after beginning the treatment the patient experienced sharp pains in her thorax, a temperature of 38.9 degrees-C and erythrocyte sedimentation rates of 26 to 28 millimeters per hour for 3 weeks. During the last month of dental treatment she lost the sense of touch in her left hand fingers, her fingers became sensitive to cold, and her left hand grip weakened. The sense of touch in her left foot became weaker and she developed muscular twitchings of the upper lip. She had difficulty in remembering things and her general health deteriorated. One year later a neurological examination revealed peripheral neuropathy which gradually improved over the next year. Electroneuromyograms of the upper and lower limbs and electroencephalograms were normal. Her cognitive capabilities were good; however, some impairment in motor performance was noted. Urine samples obtained at periodic intervals starting 3 months after dental treatment showed initial mercury concentrations of approximately 20 micrograms per liter (microg/l) gradually decreasing to 1microg/l over the next year. The authors conclude that some of the patient's symptoms may have been due to mercury poisoning resulting from inhaling mercury vapor generated by grinding the amalgams. A potential risk of mercury vapor exposure exists for both the patient and dentist when old amalgams are ground extensively.
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An autopsy case of minamata disease (methylmercury poisoning)--pathological viewpoints of peripheral nerves.
Eto K, Tokunaga H, Nagashima K, Takeuchi T.
National Institute for Minamata Disease, Ministry of the Environment, Minamata City, Kumamoto, Japan. kom...@nimd.go.jp
The outbreak of methylmercury poisoning in the geographic areas around Minamata Bay, Kumamoto, Japan in the 1950s has become known as Minamata disease. Based on earlier reports and extensive pathological studies on autopsied cases at the Kumamoto University School of Medicine, destructive lesions in the anterior portion of the calcarine cortex and depletion predominantly of granular cells in the cerebellar cortex came to be recognized as the hallmark and diagnostic yardstick of methylmercury poisoning in humans. As the number of autopsy cases of Minamata disease increased, it became apparent that the cerebral lesion was not restricted to the calcarine cortex but was relatively widespread. Less severe lesions, believed to be responsible for the motor symptoms of Minamata patients, were often found in the precentral, postcentral, and lateral temporal cortices. These patients also frequently presented with signs of sensory neuropathy affecting the distal extremities. Because of few sufficiently comprehensive studies, peripheral nerve degeneration has not been universally accepted as a cause of the sensory disturbances in Minamata patients. The present paper describes both biopsy and autopsy findings of the peripheral nerves in a male fisherman who died at the age of 64 years and showed the characteristic central nervous system lesions of Minamata disease at autopsy. A sural nerve biopsy with electron microscopy performed 1 month prior to his death showed endoneurial fibrosis and regenerated myelin sheaths. At autopsy the dorsal roots and sural nerve showed endoneurial fibrosis, loss of nerve fibers, and presence of Bungner's bands. The spinal cord showed Wallerian degeneration of the fasciculus gracilis (Goll's tract) with relative preservation of neurons in sensory ganglia. These findings support the contention that there is peripheral nerve degeneration in Minamata patients due to toxic injury from methylmercury.
Scandinavian Journal of Work, Environment and Health, Vol. 15, No. 4, pages 302-304, 10 references, 1989 Abstract: A possible case of mercury (7439976) poisoning resulting from grinding old amalgam fillings was described. A 60 year old female developed stomatitis, sore throat, an odd taste in her mouth, dizziness, and headache starting 2 weeks after two teeth previously filled with amalgams were ground. The procedure was part of a 2.5 month series of dental treatments to improve her occlusion. During the treatment 11 more amalgam filled teeth were ground. Two months after beginning the treatment the patient experienced sharp pains in her thorax, a temperature of 38.9 degrees-C and erythrocyte sedimentation rates of 26 to 28 millimeters per hour for 3 weeks. During the last month of dental treatment she lost the sense of touch in her left hand fingers, her fingers became sensitive to cold, and her left hand grip weakened. The sense of touch in her left foot became weaker and she developed muscular twitchings of the upper lip. She had difficulty in remembering things and her general health deteriorated. One year later a neurological examination revealed peripheral neuropathy which gradually improved over the next year. Electroneuromyograms of the upper and lower limbs and electroencephalograms were normal. Her cognitive capabilities were good; however, some impairment in motor performance was noted. Urine samples obtained at periodic intervals starting 3 months after dental treatment showed initial mercury concentrations of approximately 20 micrograms per liter (microg/l) gradually decreasing to 1microg/l over the next year. The authors conclude that some of the patient's symptoms may have been due to mercury poisoning resulting from inhaling mercury vapor generated by grinding the amalgams. A potential risk of mercury vapor exposure exists for both the patient and dentist when old amalgams are ground extensively.
Source: Acta Neurol. Scand. 51(S59): 7-43; 1975.(304 references) Abstract: PESTAB. Reports are assembled which attempt to show a relation between a disease, toxin, or therapeutic agent and the peripheral neuropathy syndrome. A wide variety of chemical agents disrupt the precarious metabolic interrelationship of the nerve axon and its Schwann cell coverings to produce the polyneuropathy syndrome. Heavy metals are the most common toxic cause of polyneuropathy. Included among these cases are suicide attempts using arsenical rat poisons. Arsenic produces a painful polyneuropathy, mercury an almost pure motor one. Therapy in most of the toxic neuropathies centers on removal of the patient from chronic exposure to the toxin. Medical therapy may accelerate elimination of the toxin. The use of chelating drugs has been studied, and dimercaprol is recommended for mercury and arsenic. Chronic exposure to the herbicide, 2,4-D, and related compounds can produce polyneuropathy, as can prolonged exposure to DDT and methyl bromide.
Source: Clinical Occupational Medicine; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, W. B. Saunders Company, pages 118-134, 11 references, 19861986 Abstract: Occupational diseases of the nervous system are discussed, including central nervous system disorders such as toxic encephalopathy (either acute or chronic), tumors, and Parkinsonian movement disorders as well as peripheral nervous system disorders such as toxic polyneuropathy, neuromuscular junction blockade and traumatic disorders including interstitial (vascular related to vibration) and parenchymal (compressive or entrapment mononeuropathy) disorders. Agents which have been shown to produce brain tumors in experimental animals are listed. Occupations in which epidemiologic studies suggest an excess of brain tumors include aluminum (7429905) workers, chemists, lead smelter workers, machinists, medical personnel, oil refinery workers, petrochemical workers, pharmaceutical workers, rubber workers, veterinarians, and vinyl-chloride (75014) workers. Substances which cause peripheral neuropathies fall into the following categories: metals including lead (7439921), arsenic (7440382), mercury (7439976), and thallium (7440280); solvents including hexacarbons, trichloroethylene (79016), and carbon-disulfide (75150); gases such as methyl-bromide (74839) and carbon-monoxide (630080); pesticides and herbicides including chlordecone (143500), some organophosphates, and chlorinated phenol derivatives; and plastics including acrylamide (79061), dimethylaminopropionitrile (1738256), and styrene (9003536). A number of such agents can also cause central neuropathies, including organic solvents, asphyxiant gases, pesticides and heavy metals.
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Oct 2005 04:15 GMT >Sue: > >I suggest you read what I posted, it is much more than what Mayco Clinc >knows, it is studies from experts and toxocologist, toxnet and toxline, etc. > >It appears, you were not interested. Misspelling. Its Maaco Clinic .......
Robert Morien - 25 Oct 2005 06:29 GMT > > P.S > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Hg toxicity. See she just had to spam this
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LadyLollipop - 24 Oct 2005 21:10 GMT > Lollypop, > > I did not read your entire post... but I suppose you must know about > > Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy There is NO such thing as Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy
If you had read my post, you would know that.
> Since Chuck was so obsessed with the topic of diabetes ... or at least ragging on Dr. Eichen about this,
Where was that?
All I saw was this.
The babbling clueless "doctor" who has stated that "walking 5 miles a day cures neuropathy", didn't have a clue that CoQ10 is endogenously produced, stated that diabetes occurs secondary to "eating too much sugar"..... On and on. What an embarrassment to his profession. CB
Chuck is NOT obsessed with with the topic of diabetes.
Neither was he ragging at Joel Eichen.
The ragging comes from Joel Eichen.
In FACT it is BLATHERING AND LIES!
Like this:
*BS chuckeroo! Your PN is due to something else. Perhaps too much laziness*
> I ASSumed that Chuck suffers from diabetes. There's the problem.
Too much, ASSuming!!!!!
If Chuck does happen to suffer from diabetes than it is my uneducated guess (as a nondoctor)
> that: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > In fact his peripheral neuropathy may be the sole result of his > diabetes, He does NOT have diabetes!!!!
but I suspect that neither one of you would ever resign to
> believing that just may be the case.... (that is if Chuck suffers from > diabetes). > > In reality, the true cause(s) for Chuck's PN likely remain unclear. In reality, you did NOT read my post.
Therefore, you do NOT WANT TO KNOW!!!
<snip>
> On the serious side, I am sorry that you both suffer from illness. It > seems you both hold a lot of anger towards the dental and medical > professions. I hope that you both find some peace of mind some day. > > Sue I dare say if you had been POISONED by mercury amalgams, that *organized medicine and dentistry* denies with their LIES, and YOU had SEARCHED FOR YEARS, WHILE SUFFERING, WHILE YOUR HEALTH DETERIORATED, PRAYING THAT YOU WOULD DIE, you might be a tad bit angry.
Then you come to this newsgroup, and meet people like Joel Eichen, and YOU, who ASSume, BLATHER, and tell MORE LIES, placing the EXACT blame of others' on us, you might be angry.
So, I post a wake up call, and you don't bother to read it.
Go back to sleep, Sue, and do not give another thought to anyone who might be poisoned, I wouldn't want to disturb your comfortable world.
However, being there and doing that, I DO CARE GREATLY, I HAVE HELPED OTHERS, AND I WILL CONTINUE!
*IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH!
NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of metal in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol.
I did, it saved my life
. Mercury is Poisonous. There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue. The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together.
U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.Mercury is also recovered from discarded products and wastes such aschlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams, fluorescent light tubes, electronicdevices, and others.
The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected bycondensation. Condensed mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.*
The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount of mercury in the environment
http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm
17. DENTAL AMALGAM Dental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPAregulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal Form for its disposal.
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PS To be follow by PROVEN LIAR, cyberstalker Richard H Jacobson, with his LIES.
He has NO proof!
http://tinyurl.com/b42gx
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Established pattern of cyberstalking, long before I ever started posting, plus proof that he is a liar
http://tinyurl.com/39u2g
http://tinyurl.com/2vxcl
http://tinyurl.com/2nbzc
http://tinyurl.com/3gzhf == Are you sure my name is Richard Jacobson??
>Is it or isn't it?
>>Negative. Does this mean that I don't have to agree to Jan's request to cease and desist?? Of course her request presumes that I have been stalking and harassing her.
>I am grateful for one thing; that Richard Jacobson is not my real name. Unfortunately the Richard Jacobson that DOES live in Hawaii may not be too happy with my assuming his name for purposes of the internet especially given the recent events. He happens to live on a different island from me. I do plan to contact him to let him know that someone may try to harass him since he is listed in the phone book. =============================== Hiking The Kalalau Trail
Richard Jacobson (richj@cris.com) Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:27:34 -0500 (EST)
>Hawaii's premier backpacking trail, the Kalalau Trail on the island of Kauai still remains closed past Hanakoa due to the reconstruction of the trail near "crawler's ridge". Estimated date of completion is Mid May. Until then, camping will only be permitted in Hanakapiai and Hanakoa Valleys. I for one am anxious to have Kalalau open again. It has to be one of the finest trails in the world.
Aloha, Rich ------------------------ ------------------------ Richard H. Jacobson Always remember to put Horace before Descarte
Peter Bowditch - 24 Oct 2005 22:56 GMT >> Lollypop, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >There is NO such thing as Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy You had better tell Google.
Results 1 - 10 of about 79,800 for "Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy". (0.24 seconds)
Note the quotes around the phrase. That means that the exact phrase is being searched for, not just the individual words, which gives:
Results 1 - 10 of about 567,000 for Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy. (0.10 seconds)
>If you had read my post, you would know that. <snip stuff which seems to be just stalking of someone>
 Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
REP - 24 Oct 2005 23:17 GMT > > Lollypop, > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > There is NO such thing as Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy Wrong, SuckerGal.
 Signature "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner." - Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
Rich.@. - 25 Oct 2005 00:53 GMT >I dare say if you had been POISONED by mercury amalgams, that *organized >medicine and dentistry* denies with their LIES, and YOU had SEARCHED FOR >YEARS, WHILE SUFFERING, WHILE YOUR HEALTH DETERIORATED, PRAYING THAT YOU >WOULD DIE, you might be a tad bit angry. Jan Drew aka Lady Lollipop knows that she never almost died of mercury poisoning from amalgams. The proof is below:
Jan Drew claims that she almost died of mercury poisoning from dental amalgams. She stated that before she had her amalgams removed that she was "bedfast and nonfunctional for several months".
Jan Drew had eight of twelve amalgams removed on June 17-18, 1999. Within hours of having the amalgams removed she said she felt better than she had in two years. A week later Jan reported that she was able to go out line dancing and her feet did not hurt. (The pain soon returned as placebo responses are short lived). Jan Drew said that the reason that she felt so much better was because she was no longer getting a daily dose of mercury and that the removal of the amalgams made a difference.
It was explained to Jan Drew that a week after the amalgams were removed that her mercury level would be higher and that her improvement had nothing to do with the mercury level lowering.
So what does Jan Drew do?? She *deliberately* changes (read lies about) her history to make it look like her improvement came AFTER her mercury level dropped. I will let Jan tell (read LIE) in her own words:
>>http://tinyurl.com/6n3ax >> >>>How do I know it was the metal? Because my mercury level was monitored by my >>>MD, it was only AFTER the metal was removed that it started dropping and I >>>started to regain my health. >>>Jan But Jan Drew knows that removing mercury adds mercury to your system. I will let Jan tell you in her own words:
>>>>>>>There's never been any arguement about the fact that removing amalgams puts >>>>>>>more mercury in the body. And not only does Jan know that removing amalgams puts more mercury in the body she ALSO knows that after removal of amalgams the mercury level does not drop to pre-removal levels for a month. But I will let Jan tell you in her own words:
>>>Subject: Mercury Levels Highest After Amalgam Removal >>>From: Mark Thorson nos...@sonic.net [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >>>>Jan So if Jan knows that removing amalgams puts more mercury in her body AND she knows that mercury levels don't decline to pre-op levels for about a month how does she explain having eight amalgams removed on June 17-18, 1999 and then on June 26, 1999 being able to go line dancing when she had been bedfast for SEVERAL MONTHS before the removal?? And why did she say that she KNOWS it was the mercury because she did not begin to regain her health until AFTER the mercury level dropped. The truth is that she began to regain her health when her mercury level was likely the highest in her life!!
http://tinyurl.com/ckgmo
>>>Can you tell us what your health was like before the amalgams were >>>removed and then how your health improved after the amalgams were removed? >> >>I was bedfast and nonfunctional for several months, my bowels had nearly shut >>down. I hurt all over and prayed to die. >Jan
>>> http://tinyurl.com/674oy >>>On June 26, 1999 Jan Drew said: >>> I am feeling much >>>>>>>better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The >>>>>>>elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic >>>>>>>about it. By Jan's OWN WORDS the removal of eight amalgams resulted in mercury being ADDED to her body and the level would not decrease to pre-removal levels for a month. When Jan said the removal of eight amalgams made a difference it had only been EIGHT DAYS!!
So Jan admits that eight days following the removal of amalgams that her mercury level was HIGHER than before the removal. And yet not only did she go from bedfast and nonfunctional to line dancing with no pain but she claims that it was because the mercury level had declined.
Jan Drew lied when she said that the reason she knows it was the mercury was because she did not begin to regain her health until after the mercury level lowered. It is clearly a lie since Jan Drew admits in her OWN WORDS that removing amalgams puts more mercury in the body and it does not return to pre-op level for a month.
This has all been explained to Jan Drew.
What does she do?? She continues to lie about almost dying of mercury poisoning.
Jan Drew says she is a Christian.
Jan Drew says Christians ALWAYS tell the truth.
Well there is just another lie from this psychopathic liar.
That's a wrap.
Aloha,
Rich
PS: Jan Drew will not dispute a single factual point that I have made since I just reported what Jan said in her own words. If she replies it will be to attack me, likely in a new thread, and likely by stalking me by exposing what she believes to be my name and/or business address and phone number. Just watch.
Rich.@. - 25 Oct 2005 00:56 GMT >There is NO such thing as Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy
>Some causes of Peripheral Neuropathy:(not intended to be an all-inconclusive >list - I listed just a few ). > >Diabetes Poor Jan. First she makes a post in which she lists diabetes as one possible cause of Peripheral Neuropathy. Then she says there is no such things as diabetic peripheral neuropathy.
Like Jacob, Jan Drew must lie to cover up her previous lies.
Aloha,
Rich
letsconnect - 24 Oct 2005 22:35 GMT > Peripheral Neuropathy NOT Diabetic neuropathy > > Is what Chuck and *I* have. > > It can be caused from HEAVY METALS Arsenic?
Ann - 24 Oct 2005 22:57 GMT >> Peripheral Neuropathy NOT Diabetic neuropathy >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Arsenic? Alcohol?
letsconnect - 24 Oct 2005 23:27 GMT > >> Peripheral Neuropathy NOT Diabetic neuropathy > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alcohol? Ann - there is NO such thing as alcohol.
Even scientific publications clearly support the fact that "alcohol does not exist" (http://www.alcobe.com/uk/addictions/Alcohology.htm - see paragraph 1).
Sue - 25 Oct 2005 00:58 GMT Jan,
Perhaps people would react more kindly to your plight if you demonstrated more credibility in your demeanor credibility and in the content of your posts. You can list articles until you are blue in the face but these are meaningless unless you can demonstrate that you have an understanding of what you are reading.
I think you may be doing harm to vulnerable people by acting as as though you know as much or more then a medical professional.
BTW, I am glad that Chuck does not have diabetes. I am not sure why he is so interested in discussing diabetes with dentists and bashing dentists on that subject.
Good luck to the both of you in your quest to inform the uninformed. I truly do feel sorry for you and others who have physical problems that are so bad that you would prefer to die rather than to live.
But the sad truth is, you are right. I am not very interested in hearing what you have to say anymore. You do not sound credible. Mostly you: bash others, scream out about how stupid the medical and dental professions are, claim people are stalking you, and call people liars. To put it bluntly, you sound and act insane Jan. It is difficult to take you seriously.
And you wrote:
"There is NO such thing as Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy"
You are clueless. In your own post the first stated cause of peripheral neuropathy is diabetes.
In addition, you are arrogant. You think you know more than the Mayo Clinic and the entire research profession because you have been studying peripheral neuropathy for years. B.S. You have a closed mind and look only at the research that fits your predetermined conclusions.
I do not doubt that mercury poisoning exists (in a small minority of the population). Yet Jan, you do not have the credentials to make diagnoses for others who are ill from undetermined causes.
I have it be honest with you. I AM concerned about those who suffer from unexplained illnesses. Many are desperate for answers and will believe any crack-pot that comes along. You seem confident that you, a self-proclaimed victim of Hg poisoning (it appears) have all of the answers for these people.
THAT is what I find scary and disturbing.
You wrote.
"Go back to sleep, Sue, and do not give another thought to anyone who might be poisoned, I wouldn't want to disturb your comfortable world."
OK then. You have thoroughly convinced me. This is a great ex. of how to shut off communications and turn people completely OFF to your intended messages Jan.
I sincerely hope that you end up saving more people (as you say) than causing harm to those who are vulnerable and hurting.
Now I prefer to take your advice Jan, and ignore you from now on. And please do not address me in any of your future posts either.
Thank you, -Sue
LadyLollipop - 25 Oct 2005 01:19 GMT > Jan, > > [delete usual insults, I heard them all] I have posted studies and research.
> BTW, I am glad that Chuck does not have diabetes. I am not sure why he > is so interested in discussing diabetes, [ ]. If you had read any of his > posts, you would quickly see why. I suggest you do that.
> Good luck to the both of you in your quest to inform the uninformed. I > truly do feel sorry for you and others who have physical problems that > are so bad that you would prefer to die rather than to live. That was in the past, Sue.
> [ ] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > [ ]
> In addition, you are arrogant. You think you know more than the Mayo > Clinic Whoa back, Sue.
That's evidently what YOU think. *I* did not say that.
Go back and read again.
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> You wrote. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I sincerely hope that you end up saving more people (as you say) Sue, Sue, Sue.
Go back and read again.
Hope, you get over your anger. Please do read for comprehension.
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> -Sue Rich.@. - 25 Oct 2005 01:37 GMT >Hope, you get over your anger. Please do read for comprehension. Sue - 25 Oct 2005 01:20 GMT Actually Jan,
I do not know you. I do not want to cause any more pain for you.
I let that rip in haste, but I truly do not understand the extent of the emotional and physical pain that you have obviously experienced over all of this.
I am sorry. Just be well. Peace to you.
Sincerely, Sue
Sue - 25 Oct 2005 01:22 GMT Now please leave me alone.
Thank you, Sue
Rich.@. - 25 Oct 2005 01:42 GMT >Now please leave me alone. > >Thank you, >Sue Whatever you do don't give Jan your entire name or location. She is a stalker. She has already stalked two physicians and has posted several doctors names, business addresses and phone numbers and with one said not to do business with the "Jew Boy".
Jan is quite disturbed, not to mention a liar, hypocrite and bigot.
Best not to respond to my post as it will just incite Jan Drew to continue her psychotic rantings. Jan said that she is ignoring my posts. She really is not but she is pretending to do so. As long as you don't respond she won't have any reason to answer it.
Aloha,
Rich
PS: Cue Jan to start a new thread attacking me. Just watch.
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Oct 2005 04:16 GMT >doctors names, business addresses and phone numbers and with one said >not to do business with the "Jew Boy". I prefer," Hebrew Lad," ........
Rich.@. - 25 Oct 2005 01:39 GMT >Actually Jan, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the emotional and physical pain that you have obviously experienced >over all of this. You may have ripped it in haste but you sure sized up Jan quite accurately.
Aloha,
Rich
>I am sorry. Just be well. Peace to you. > >Sincerely, >Sue LadyLollipop - 25 Oct 2005 01:49 GMT > Actually Jan, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Sincerely, > Sue Thank you, Sue,
Best to you,
Jan
Clinton - 25 Oct 2005 03:19 GMT > Jan, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I think you may be doing harm to vulnerable people by acting as as > though you know as much or more then a medical professional. have you been reading any of the posts on this list? Most of the medical professionals, I.e the dentists dispay the mental age of kindergartners. I also see you haven't been to an HMO lately
> But the sad truth is, you are right. I am not very interested in > hearing what you have to say anymore. You do not sound credible. Mostly > you: bash others, scream out about how stupid the medical and > dental professions are, claim people are stalking you, and call people > liars. To put it bluntly, you sound and act insane Jan. It is difficult > to take you seriously. The truth is that I spent a whole thread going into minute detail about physics problems. We've tried posting calmly and angrily, joking and crying, but it makes no differnce. To the brainwashed public, calm posts are brushed off easily, and more forceful, emphatic posting is characterized as lunacy. It's a 100% brain wash zone.
Furthermore you seem to have overlooked that one of the symptoms of Hg posioning is madness and permanent neruological damage. Your logic would be like me telling a drunk, I don't think you are inebriated, your slur your words so you must be crazy. when you talk to me in a clearheaded and sober manner then i will believe your story about being drunk! You can't have it both ways Sue, expect, even demand someone to act Hg toxic to be truely credible then require them to post like they are perfectly healthy. Maybe at some time in the future you will see the inherent hypocrisy in your stance, though I do agree that some of Jan's posts are over the top and may at times take away from the credablity of the issue.
> And you wrote: .
> I do not doubt that mercury poisoning exists (in a small minority of > the population). Yet Jan, you do not have the credentials to make > diagnoses for others who are ill from undetermined causes. This show your ignorance on the subject. as I posted before in published research chronic Hg posioning is extremely difficult to diagnose. So,.. what I am saying is that your assumption that somehow only doctors can speak to this issue is wrong. most were only taught enough toxicology to fit in a thimble. My GP actually told me that! I put all people equal and commonsense and research first. Automatically placing uninformed MD's and defensive (and yes lying denists) above commonsense and patients is a big error in your reasoning process.
> I have it be honest with you. I AM concerned about those who suffer > from unexplained illnesses. Many are desperate for answers and will > believe any crack-pot that comes along. You seem confident that you, a > self-proclaimed victim of Hg poisoning (it appears) have all of the > answers for these people. This is a complex issue. Obviously no one can know everything about me or Jan or any poster on the list who claims one thing or the other. Anyone could be a lunatic, including you. But if you do the research you will see that there are many people who have been affected , inluding MD's and dentists who write books about it.
You are placing the burden of proof on the patient, which is where I disagree with your thought process. you should be asking, not what the patient can do to prove thier case, BUT what the dental association can do to prove safety (they haven't even come close).
Jan also never said that most people should get their amalgams removed. That is a calculated mischaracterization by you, designed to short circuit any real discussion. Obviously many people "appear to be healthy", but some are more affected by excessive corrosion, faulty product, whatever method. This should be taken as a warning to people with ordianry levels of Hg smoking off their amalgam (yes it does smoke under ultraviolet light) like a canary in the mineshaft.
And you shifting of assumptions from one extreme to the other, by saying that Jan's comments endanger the public, when they don't and CAN"t if dental associations are honest to begin with, doesn't sit well with me either, frankly.
> THAT is what I find scary and disturbing. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Now I prefer to take your advice Jan, and ignore you from now on. And > please do not address me in any of your future posts either. I.E when all is said and done shoot the messenger and return to the tride and true doctor worship, after you've shifted the burden of proof 100% onto them and given the ludicrous scientifc position of the ADA a free pass. It feels good doesn't it, to think you are with the majority and the "authority" ! But your not fooling anyone, you never were "listening" to begin with! Good day!
> Thank you, > -Sue Rich.@. - 25 Oct 2005 03:31 GMT >Furthermore you seem to have overlooked that one of the symptoms >of Hg posioning is madness and permanent neruological damage. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >your story about being drunk! You can't have it both >ways Sue, Well if you are as mad as a hatter then we cannot take you seriously in any case. Maybe the details of your history are so inaccurate as a result of permanent neurological damage that it cannot be trusted. You cannot have it both ways either. It is Catch 22
Aloha,
Rich
PS: If Clinton answers this post I give 99.999999% certainty that Jan Drew will make a personal attack against me. Just watch.
Clinton - 25 Oct 2005 03:59 GMT > >Furthermore you seem to have overlooked that one of the symptoms > >of Hg posioning is madness and permanent neruological damage. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > result of permanent neurological damage that it cannot be trusted. You > cannot have it both ways either. It is Catch 22 According to your reasoning then, someone who posts calmly over a long period of time, who claims to suffer from Hg posioning MUST be a fraud if you can never take a calm poster seriously "in any case"!
Actually chronic Hg is more likely to effect personality and certain complex cognative skills (which would be difficult to measure on the internet) than long term memory, so you are showing your unfamiliarity with the issue. (By the way my spelling was always bad so that wasn't caused by Hg).
Hg would however probably cause a marked change in the tone and complexity of a poster, IF you had been familiar with that persons posts before they were affected by Hg. Hg can also cause someone to act in a repetative or "circular" manner. Mad hatters could do the work but they would waste all day arguing with the boss.
Based on my experience, i wouldn't expect someone to come across as a lunatic because of Hg, unless they were badly affected. I have seen some people go nearly crazy on some amalgam lists though, especially if they use DMPS incorrectly.
PS- in another thread you said your aquiantence couldn't be suffering from Hg toxicty because they had low levels of hg in the urine from approved labs. That is false. I posted a peer reviewed article from the bulltien of environmental toxicology 3 or 4 times where they explained that very low values are in fact INDICATIVE of retention toxiciy so neither the false positive or the negative tests proved anything.
Rich.@. - 25 Oct 2005 04:10 GMT >> >Furthermore you seem to have overlooked that one of the symptoms >> >of Hg posioning is madness and permanent neruological damage. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >period of time, who claims to suffer from Hg posioning MUST be a fraud >if you can never take a calm poster seriously "in any case"! Maybe you do have permanent brain damage Clinton. I said nothing about not taking a calm poster seriously. Mercury poisoning does not necessarily cause a person to behave in an irrational and mad manner. And often when someone is behaving in such a manner they are just mentally ill. There are many individuals who are mentally ill and may believe they are dying of various types of poisoning when in actuality they are not. That is called a delusion.
>PS- in another thread you said your aquiantence couldn't be > suffering from Hg toxicty because they had low levels of hg in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fact INDICATIVE of retention toxiciy so neither the false > positive or the negative tests proved anything. You must have me confused with someone else since I never said any of the above. Does mercury poisoning cause hallucinations and delusions too?
Aloha,
Rich
PS: Now that you have responded I await Lady Lollipop the bigot, liar and anti-semite to come out with her usual attack and stalking. Just watch.
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