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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / October 2005Embezzling ........ repost
In case anyone misses the thread ..... Wait a minute ......,. Anyone want to discuss embezzling and how to prevent it from happening? FIRST, you need to describe your office procedures ....... how do you handle cash, accounts receivable, journal entries, etc. Joel >On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:16:06 GMT, Amatus Cremona <nicola@amanti.com> wrote: >>Yes... I'd thought of that: Giving them a stamped self addressed >>envelope to send in their money. But then, I'd have to follow them into >>the front desk area and verify what is happening. > >Just call your patients at home after treatment. Ask how they are >doing and review their bill asking if they have any questions. Ask >them if you and your staff met their expectations. Do this where >your staff can hear you the first few times. This Way, they know they >will be caught if they do anything dumb. > >Amatus > >On 22 Oct 2005 10:01:49 -0700, "StovePipe" <stove99pipe.@yahoo.ca> >wrote: > >>>She has control of it all. I have been asking for all bills and all pay >>>slips to see what it is I'm actually paying, but all the mail goes to >>>her front desk. I can get that changed, and so see what cheques are >>>coming in and what is being billed. >> >>>Cheers >>>SP >> >>Post Office box. >>-- W_B >> >>-------- >> >>Yes... I'd thought of that: Giving them a stamped self addressed >>envelope to send in their money. But then, I'd have to follow them into >>the front desk area and verify what is happening. Usually, at that >>time, I'm spraying Kavo lubricant into the turbines and latch types, >>and taking them back to the chair to spin without water to get it all >>out before putting them into the Stat-IM. The Stat-IM is _hell_ on >>turbines, especially, and I don't have the $$$ for an E-Z Press to >>change the rotors every three months. >> >>Thanks >>SP > >.. > >Amatus > > . >Joel The babbling clueless "doctor" who has stated that "walking 5 miles a day cures neuropathy", didn't have a clue that CoQ10 is endogenously produced, stated that diabetes occurs secondary to "eating too much sugar"..... On and on. What an embarrassment to his profession. CB Chuck, For a person such as yourself (male, I presume), if you suffer from diabetic neuropathy, you may also be impotent. Although walking 5 miles a day may not cure impotence, and even if it hurts like hell, it can help to let off a ltitle steam. As far as CoQ10 is concerned, it may be taken as a supplement and therefore nonendogenous sources are available. >From the tone of your post, it seems that you may be experiencing a little insulin over dose...or perhaps some impotence issues are gnawing at you a bit. Who knows? But anyone who comes on here and starts blathering ad hominens like you, must have a screw loose somewhere. So please, just go eat some sugar and mellow out. Hope you feel better soon, Sue > Chuck, > > For a person such as yourself (male, I presume), if you suffer from > diabetic neuropathy, you may also be impotent. One has nothing to do with the other. Why do you bring it up? > Although walking 5 miles a day may not cure impotence STOP RIGHT THERE!!!!! Who said anything about being impotent? Oh yes, that was YOU! For what reason, Sue? , and even if ithurts like hell, I see you have not a clue! it can help to let off a ltitle steam. It appears that is EXACTLY what YOU are doing! WHY are you so angry, Sue? > As far as CoQ10 is concerned, it may be taken as a supplement and > therefore nonendogenous sources are available. > >>From the tone of your post, His tone does NOT compare to YOURS! it seems that you may be experiencing a > little insulin over dose...or perhaps some impotence issues are gnawing > at you a bit. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sue WOW!!!!! Amazing that YOU have just accused Chuck of EXACTLY what YOU are guilty of!!!!!! He is 100% totally correct!!!! The babbling clueless "doctor" who has stated that "walking 5 miles a day cures neuropathy", didn't have a clue that CoQ10 is endogenously produced, stated that diabetes occurs secondary to "eating too much sugar"..... On and on. What an embarrassment to his profession. CB Lollypop, EXACTLY. Just showing you how stupid Chuck sounds. If someone attacks someone else (especially a friend of mine) out of the blue, then s/he must be prepared for some garbage thrown back at her/him. You are a kick, but I have some work to do. Have fun on the internet today... or whatever it is that you are doing with your life these days. Sue > Lollypop, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the blue, then s/he must be prepared for some garbage thrown back at > her/him. That's an EXCELLENT description of Joel Eichen!!!! He has ATTACKED for years! STUPIDITY SUPREME!!!! Including *impersonation* LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES!!! BLATHERING. Everyone knows it! It is NOT Chuck who sounds stupid! This is an exchange betwen Hans and Joel, and a few dentists here, including Steve Mancuso, who KNOWS Joel is a blathering idiot. PS To be followed by cyberstalker, Richard H Jacobson, who will NOT dispute any LIES, but rather most likely post something about belittling, rather than deal with the issue. =============== I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise the PHS report as proving that amalgams are safe, as a gross misrepresentation of the facts. People who rely on professionals to know their stuff, deserve better. Hi Judge Joel, You are representing the most prejudicial attitude I saw in a long time. Did you get that from being a judge during the witch- processes in a former life, or what? Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally spreading blatant lies. Hans ===== Dear Dr. Eichen, >> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to do >> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague dentists [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> and pregnant women.... these countries are banning the use of mercury >> amalgams. Refer your colleagues to WWW.TOXICTEETH.ORG, WWW.TESTFOUNDATION.ORG, >> WWW.IAOMT.ORG, http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/indexa.html, >> and give them the studies which show that dentists have the highest >> rate of suicide professionaly in this country. >> >> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or are >> you still reading comic books. === >To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make a complete fool out of himself, Wrong again ! Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" ! If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again ! Cheers, Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >The readers will decide! Indeed ! The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what you thought that I said. Sofar you have not been able to point out anything, in spite of all your re-postings, to support what you claim I said. And I'm still waiting! Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >At least we settled ... I've been settling fine all along. I am waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right. Or to watch you trying to wiggle your way of this. So Joel, which one will it be? Joel wrote: >Hans said Dentatus should be inserted, preferably with tweezers Hans replied: >Not with one word did I reveal how I work with the Dentatus. Not >one single word! Neither did I mention the word "tweezers" ! Still waiting .... Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >Funny. Hans turning the circumstance around . . . . That was a nice attempt to wiggle. What's next? Sill waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right. Or to keep on watching you wiggle until you smoke yourself. Which one is next? Smoke or standard smokescreen? Hans Everything else here is Joel's attempts to make a huge smokescreen so no one will spot him in his attempts to pry his foot out of his mouth. Thats all there is >Nelson wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>yet have a strong judgement against him shows your ignorance and >>predjudice. >>Do not put words in my mouth or characterize what I saw differently than >>actually said for your own means. I believe the reason the CDC, USPHS, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>in "acceptable limits" and there isn't a cig alert (limit activities and >>stay inside as much as possible) that there is nothing wrong with the air. >>I choose to not do amalgams because I believe the difference between them >>and today's resins (less than 1/3 the occl table) are not significant >>enough >>to place a known toxin in someones mouth. This is a personal decision. I >>also do a lot of gold work and, probably unlike you Joel, I trust my >>patients and they pay me $50 a month and we do good dentistry. >>I am blocking you from my personal e-mail access, but will let the >>newsgroup >>stay open for a while so you can prove why you are probably the most >>blocked >>smd user of all time. I respect your right to state an opinion, I just >>don't have to read it. >>Other comments in text: Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile From: "Dr. Steve" smancus.takeout@home.msen.com Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <v7fo43feqokq88@corp.supernews.com> See Joel??? Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is interested in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the Eichen cross posting news. > You are a kick, but I have some work to do. > > Have fun on the internet today... or whatever it is that you are doing > with your life these days. > > Sue >That's an EXCELLENT description of Joel Eichen!!!! > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >any LIES, but rather most likely post something about belittling, rather >than deal with the issue. <snip Jan's ravings> >On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:57:03 GMT, "LadyLollipop" ><LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >>Genesis 27:19-20, 24. Jacob had to lie again to cover up his first lie Your words come back to bite you. Aloha, Rich > Lollypop, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You are a kick, but I have some work to do. Sue, Chuck me and quite a few others who post here from time to time suffer/suffered from what is known as Hg posioning, from your darling dental association at the hands of even possibly defective materials and incompetent denttist. i wouldn't expected a dental suck up like you to comprhend that Hg is a toxin, or even realize that even on average it is the largest source of Hg in the population, so let me be a little more diplomatic. Shove it up your a.s, that goes for Joelie poowie woowie as well, ya clueless dinks. >> Lollypop, >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > more diplomatic. Shove it up your a.s, that goes for Joelie poowie > woowie as well, ya clueless dinks. That's quite diplomatic, Clinton. Is that the kettle or the pot? *;* Jan > "Clinton" <clintonz@prodigy.net> wrote in message > That's quite diplomatic, Clinton. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jan I didn't read the whole thread and i was a little groggy when I posted that. I'll blame it on the Hg! >> "Clinton" <clintonz@prodigy.net> wrote in message >> That's quite diplomatic, Clinton. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I didn't read the whole thread and i was a little groggy when > I posted that. I'll blame it on the Hg! Sounds good to me! >Chuck, >For a person such as yourself (male, I >presume), if you suffer from >diabetic neuropathy, you may also be >impotent. I suffer from neither. You do indeed sound like a friend of Joel's. You are just as disconnected from reality. >But anyone who comes on here and starts >blathering ad hominens like >you, must have a screw loose somewhere. My distaste for Joels nonsensical posts go back long and deep. He is a disturbed indivisual. >As far as CoQ10 is concerned, it may >be .taken as a supplement and >therefore nonendogenous sources are >available. Gee, thanks for the keen insight. Here is a section of a piece that I authored recently. Statins and CoenzymeQ10 It is estimated that 20 million Americans are presently taking statins to treat elevated cholesterol levels. It is also estimated that a total of 36 million are candidates for this drug therapy. With the recent findings of statins additional benefits beyond cholesterol reduction, namely as an efficacious anti-inflammatory and antioxidant agent, it is projected that this number will continue to rise. By inhibiting the 3-hydroxy-3 methylglutaryl Coenzyme A (HMG-CoA) reductase liver enzymes, statins inevitably decrease the plasma and cellular concentrations of various substances other than cholesterol, including CoenzymeQ10.(2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,14,15) CoenzymeQ10 CoenzymeQ10 or CoQ10 belongs to a family of substances call ubiquinones. CoQ10 was first isolated from beef heart in 1957. CoQ10 is produced endogenously and is ubiquitous throughout the bodys cells, thus the name ubiquinone, meaning the ubiquitous quinone. The bodys highest concentrations of CoQ10 are present in the heart, liver, kidneys, and pancreas. Although CoQ10 is found in small amounts in a wide variety of foods, it is strongly theorized that the primary source of systemic levels is via endogenous production. (5, 8, 16, 17, 18) CoQ10 is a fat soluble, vitamin like substance that is an essential cofactor in the mitochondrial electron transport chain. Mitochondrial enzymes of the oxidative phosphorylation pathway, such as CoQ10 are essential for the production of the high-energy phosphate, adenosine triphosphate (ATP), upon which all cellular functions depend. In addition, CoQ10 plays a key role as a powerful antioxidant within the mitochondria and cellular membranes, protecting against peroxidation of lipid membranes. (5, 8, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21) The possible deleterious effects of decreased CoQ10 levels include myopathy and impaired cardiac function. The cause of this is likely attributed to the fact that CoQ10 is known to be highly concentrated in muscle cells, most notably heart muscle, due to the high energy requirements of this cell type. Another effect of low systemic levels is a likely alteration and depletion of the bodys antioxidant defense systems. Cells counteract oxidative stress with antioxidants; among lipophilic antioxidants, CoQ10 is the only one of endogenous biosynthesis. The antioxidant properties of CoQ10 serve to greatly reduce oxidative damage to tissues as well as significantly inhibit the oxidation of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol. LDL-cholesterol oxidation is believed to play a significant role in the pathogenesis of atherosclerosis. (5, 8, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21) You can go back at play with Joel now Susan. CB Chuck, Is your work published anywhere? Unsolicited advice: Post your full name so that others can look up your works. You may then come across as a credible author. FYI, anyone who comes on here and starts throwing out ad hominens is the one that appears to be disturbed. But as was pointed out, the Hg may have poisoned your mind. I am sorry, but there is nothing I can do about the state of your mind. And since that is the reality of your situation, you cannot hold it aginst me if I take what you say with a grain of salt. I am sorry for your poisoning. Good luck in your road ahead. -Sue PS To Chuck, Why are you here? You don't have any dental info to offer or any dental questions. If Dr. Eichen annoys you so much, why don't you just ignore him? If you cannot ignore him, why not just leave? Coming here just to harrass is not cool. Please use your energy to do something positive. Oh well. This is America. First Ammendment and all. So you must put up with Joel and he must put up with you. It was much nicer on Dcom where everyone got along. sigh, -Sue >Oh well. This is America. Oh sigh.. you think usenet is America? Oh deary me. Ann > >Oh well. This is America. > > Oh sigh.. you think usenet is America? Oh deary me. > > Ann > >Oh well. This is America. > > Oh sigh.. you think usenet is America? Oh deary me. > > Ann LOL. Good point Ann. I was thinking about Freedom of Speech here on SMD as compared to Dentaltown which deletes or alters about 1/3 of the posts written (ok ... maybe a slight exaggeration). Sorry about the America reference. I forgot that we are worldwide here...especially when all I am doing is staring at a screen. It almost seems surreal. :-) Sue Never mind (a la Gilda Radner)  SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | > >Oh well. This is America. | > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] | | Sue Roy, Also I posted on Dentaltown for about a year... and it was mostly Americans there.. as many of the "ugly" Americans chased everyone else off the forum (seriously). To be honest, the attitudes in there were sometimes really bad (some people) ... and I think some of it may have rubbed off on me. Not just the attitude, but the bad language and all of that crap. Uggh. It was like one had to fight to stay alive in there. Sorry. -Sue Know anything about the Oldies? | As in????????? SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | Know anything about the Oldies? | >>Oh well. This is America. > >Oh sigh.. you think usenet is America? Oh deary me. > >Ann The Usenet States of America ........ Actually this is an international forum. You may be in the good ole US of A, but some of us are not. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply "Sue" <chrlie700@yahoo.com> wrote:| | Oh well. This is America. First Ammendment and all. | | -Sue > Actually this is an international forum. You may be in the good ole US of > A, but > some of us are not. Damn right, for example I'm in Kansas. carabelli >> Actually this is an international forum. You may be in the good ole US of >> A, but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >carabelli You sound like you're from Kentucky. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > PS To Chuck, > > Why are you here? You don't have any dental info to offer or any > dental questions. Sue, Chuck doesn't post much any more, but this is his website, which will explain it to you. The reason he and Joel went round and round is the same reason any and all with mercury poisoning went the whole nine yards with Joel, simple because, he made fun of them. http://www.sierratimes.com/03/09/02/health.htm > If Dr. Eichen annoys you so much, why don't you just ignore him? If > you cannot ignore him, why not just leave? That's what he did. He hardly ever posts, just as I do. > Coming here just to harrass is not cool. Please use your energy to do > something positive. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -Sue > Chuck, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > FYI, anyone who comes on here and starts throwing out ad hominens is > the one that appears to be disturbed. That would make most ALL of the dentists here *disturbed* But as was pointed out, the Hg > may have poisoned your mind. I am sorry, but there is nothing I can do > about the state of your mind. And since that is the reality of your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -Sue >Unsolicited advice: Post your full name >so .that others can look up your >works. You may then come across as a >credible author. Yes, I have been published in multiple medical circles. I do not need to prove myself to you (be credible) thus I did not provide a link, etc. Just thought you might be interested in CoQ10. >I am sorry for your poisoning. Good luck >in .your road ahead. >-Sue Thank you, I am doing very well. CB Chuck, I am sorry for the reception that many of you anti-amalgamists, as well as anti-root canal treatment "activists" receive on a dental forum. Much of it you bring on yourself though. I also know that Joel can be "out there" in his posts. We all know that. I have been posting on dental forums for about 2 years and have read tons of Joel's posts. I have gotten a lot of information out of them, because like him I am more intuitively wired like he is. I understand/follow some of his thinking patterns. He may not always have the details correct, but his big-picture is in tact. Joel has a VERY thick skin. He often has no idea that some of the things he says (or the way that he says them) can be hurtful or even insulting. Sometimes he is just joking too. I cannot condone any direct attacks on either of you. Yet I also do not think that Joel would attack anyone unless there was provocation. Does not make it right.. but we are all guilty of less-than perfect interactions.. would you not agree? In addition maybe I saw a different joel on Dentalcom.net.. he was very helpful and sincere there. Always a pleasure to interact with.. what can I say? I can see both sides a bit. It is very difificult for dental professionals to intelligibly work with a minority of very angry people who claim they have been harmed by amalgams and RCT. The majority have been helped by these standard treatments. What are the stats for people who have had these treatments and who do not have any complaints? Most responsible dentists do not agree with the scientific evidence presented against these treatments. Others have stopped placing amalgam because alternative materials are available. You may think many dentists are uncaring, but seriously, they are not dummies. They are NOT out to harm people either. I can understand your anger and feelings of being shut out and not heard. Even so, I must believe that this is no win siutaiton for dentists. They are not going to rip someone's teeth out because a person has had RCT, when there is no definitive way of detemining if this is what is causing a person's medical problems. Actually I think they may even lose their license for unethical behavior if they did this.. Maybe someone can confirm. I think the ADA stance is that it is UNETHICAL for dentists to advise pts to have amalgam removed and replaced by composite for health reasons. They can advocate this for cosmetic reasons, but not for health reasons, I think. Therefore the proof is not there, IMO. It is very difficult to prove cause and effect for many of the ailments that are described on somne of the lit referenreced by Jan. The list is endless. Some claim virtually EVERY ailment is caused by poisons placed in the mouth by dentists (either Hg containing amalgam, or the gutta percha in RCT) B.S. Anyway, I have to get to work. And I am not going to respond to any attacks or bizarre behavior here. It does nothing positive for me or others. Sue >Chuck, > >I am sorry for the reception that many of you anti-amalgamists, as well >as anti-root canal treatment "activists" receive on a dental forum. Abti-dentites too. >Much of it you bring on yourself though. I also know that Joel can be >"out there" in his posts. We all know that.' Who??? >I have been posting on dental forums for about 2 years and have read >tons of Joel's posts. I have gotten a lot of information out of them, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >things he says (or the way that he says them) can be hurtful or even >insulting. Sometimes he is just joking too. Always actually. >I cannot condone any direct attacks on either of you. Yet I also do >not think that Joel would attack anyone unless there was provocation. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >helpful and sincere there. Always a pleasure to interact with.. what >can I say? Here I am trying to be more like Steve Bornfeld .... who is always .... a gentleman. >I can see both sides a bit. It is very difificult for dental >professionals to intelligibly work with a minority of very angry people [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Sue >>Unsolicited advice: Post your full name >so .that others can look up your >>works. You may then come across as a >credible author. > >Yes, I have been published in multiple medical circles. Alt.sci.mercury.poisonings? > I do not need >to prove myself to you (be credible) thus I did not provide a link, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Thank you, I am doing very well. CB |
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