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Anybody participate in United Concordia?

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The Real Paul - 17 Oct 2005 17:33 GMT
I accept Delta Dental Premier...considering accepting United
Concordia..man their fees are low! Other than that, anything to beware of?
Dr. Steve - 17 Oct 2005 17:40 GMT
>I accept Delta Dental Premier...considering accepting United
>Concordia..man their fees are low! Other than that, anything to beware of?

Why would anyone  participate in United Concordia?
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The Real Paul - 17 Oct 2005 18:15 GMT
Dartos - 17 Oct 2005 19:11 GMT
If the fees are much less than your normal fee, I wouldn't
bite (unless I was desperate to get any live body in the front
door).

'Course if you sell half of them bleaching and they all get
4 quads of SC/RP instead of a prophy, it might work.

Dartos

> I accept Delta Dental Premier...considering accepting United
> Concordia..man their fees are low! Other than that, anything to beware of?
dr shad j lewis (via google) - 17 Oct 2005 19:11 GMT
I don't think they're that bad.  I don't have to preauthorize anything,
I can just go ahead and do crowns and bridges and dentures, Their fees
are lower than mine, but it's part of the game.

Plus, I get paid lightning fast with them.  Electronic claims filed
before thursday 5 pm are in my mailbox monday morning.

Through the computer, you can preauthorize crown, and everything else,
and get immediate results, such as copays, and deductibles, so the
patient knows everything right then and there.
USC95 - 18 Oct 2005 09:02 GMT
I never had real prob with them
Amatus Cremona - 18 Oct 2005 13:30 GMT
>I never had real prob with them

In fear of having the anti-trust lawyers attack me, let me say that if no
dentists participated with those cheap plans, the plans would not be in
existence.  If you are willing to accept a plan that pays 15% less than your
normal fees, now, in a year, you will think that 20% less is okay.  The next
thing you know, you are doing the bait-and-switch routine with managed care
patients.  I am willing to go as high as 5% if I am paid in 3 days or less.
I figure the cost of carrying the debt can go that high.  Beyond that, well,
I wonder how a dental office can do it.  I have heard lots of dental offices
tell me that having a _body_ in the chair for 50% the normal fee is better
than having an empty chair, and I say the opposite is true.  AS you could
have condensed the schedule and sent staff home and turned down the
utilities, and used less supplies.  You would have probably saved 65% by not
seeing the patient at 50% normal fees.

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>I never had real prob with them
W_B - 18 Oct 2005 15:53 GMT
>I have heard lots of dental offices
>tell me that having a _body_ in the chair for 50% the normal fee is better
>than having an empty chair, and I say the opposite is true.  AS you could
>have condensed the schedule and sent staff home and turned down the
>utilities, and used less supplies.  You would have probably saved 65% by not
>seeing the patient at 50% normal fees.

Nail --> Head --> Direct Hit
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W_B
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orthodmd - 19 Oct 2005 04:19 GMT
Just to put a fine point on it: what you are doing is exercising your
constitutional right of free speech.  It will be a long time before you
have to worry about that unless Bush and his followers are able to pack
the Supreme Court.  On the other hand, when you try to organize a group
into not participating, you may need legal advice.

charlie ruff
W_B - 19 Oct 2005 15:44 GMT
> It will be a long time before you
>have to worry about that unless Bush and his followers are able to pack
>the Supreme Court.

Sorry but that's complete and utter bullsh*t.
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 19 Oct 2005 16:39 GMT
>>It will be a long time before you
>>have to worry about that unless Bush and his followers are able to pack
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

    Maybe.  How could you know?  Do you  know something about Harriet Miers
I don't?

Steve

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718-258-5001

W_B - 19 Oct 2005 17:10 GMT
>>>It will be a long time before you
>>>have to worry about that unless Bush and his followers are able to pack
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Steve

The full quote:

Just to put a fine point on it: what you are doing is exercising your
constitutional right of free speech.  It will be a long time before you
have to worry about that unless Bush and his followers are able to pack
the Supreme Court.

</end quote>

What I know about Harriet Miers is that she cannot single handedly
remove the first amendment.

Though the liberals and their <quote>Campaign Finance Reform <quote>
have put a serious chink in the armor of our beloved freedom of speech.

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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 19 Oct 2005 17:20 GMT
>>>>It will be a long time before you
>>>>have to worry about that unless Bush and his followers are able to pack
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> What I know about Harriet Miers is that she cannot single handedly
> remove the first amendment.

    Not likely.  I don't think she's packing the court in any case.  I
think the right wingers are going to be more trouble on this nomination
than the Dems.

> Though the liberals and their <quote>Campaign Finance Reform <quote>
> have put a serious chink in the armor of our beloved freedom of speech.

    That's rich.

Steve

> --
>
> W_B
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

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http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

W_B - 19 Oct 2005 17:28 GMT
>> What I know about Harriet Miers is that she cannot single handedly
>> remove the first amendment.
>
>    Not likely.  I don't think she's packing the court in any case.  I
>think the right wingers are going to be more trouble on this nomination
>than the Dems.

Likely

>> Though the liberals and their <quote>Campaign Finance Reform <quote>
>> have put a serious chink in the armor of our beloved freedom of speech.
>
>    That's rich.

But you offer no refutation.
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 19 Oct 2005 21:02 GMT
> But you offer no refutation.

    I don't feel a need.  If you wish to call John McCain a liberal (I
wouldn't) I figure that's your right.

Steve
> --
>
> W_B
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

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http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

W_B - 19 Oct 2005 21:08 GMT
>> But you offer no refutation.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Steve
>> --

First Amendment right that is.

Yep, McCain is a liberal.
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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Joel M. Eichen - 19 Oct 2005 09:34 GMT
>I never had real prob with them

Do tell!
Joel M. Eichen - 18 Oct 2005 10:27 GMT
>I don't think they're that bad.  I don't have to preauthorize anything,
>I can just go ahead and do crowns and bridges and dentures, Their fees
>are lower than mine, but it's part of the game.

YUP, I was out-of-network with UCCI but always enjoyed their patients.
If you are in network be sure to play by their rules. They ask for,
and get back oodles of money from their docs, for slight errors in
rule-following.

One advantage of being out-of-network is that one does not have to
listen to UCCI.

Joel

>Plus, I get paid lightning fast with them.  Electronic claims filed
>before thursday 5 pm are in my mailbox monday morning.
>
>Through the computer, you can preauthorize crown, and everything else,
>and get immediate results, such as copays, and deductibles, so the
>patient knows everything right then and there.
 
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