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StovePipe - 17 Oct 2005 14:39 GMT
Howdy all people and animals and dentists.

Just a quick blurb here to tell youse that I finished typing in my
deductions tables into four Excel sheets this weekend. This is for
doing the source deductions for my employees' pays for Fed/QC income
taxes, QC pensions plan and unemployment insurance. I can now do their
pays myself in about one minute. All courtesy of XL's VLOOKUP function
on those tables. A short addendum will give me the totals I need to
send in the $$$ each month.

I still have to proof read my accounting routines, run them by the
crooked secretary, and find some place to sell me rolls of computer
paper suitably perforated for receipts, but the macro is basically
ready to go.

I'll be using File Maker Pro (Very old version for the Mac, but it
works) to input patient file info, (what we call 'Civil info' in
French), and Claris Organizer for appointment info. I will see if I can
open two pages of calander at once, one for me and one for the
hygienist. If not, I'll make double entries for each room, or just use
different colors for her and myself. Any one who has Claris Works on
their computer has this and a watered down version of File Maker in the
Claris software package.

Amatus was right: it is a HELL of a lot of work, but it will tide us
over 'till I have the $$$ for a _real_ dental program (that can work
with the RAMQ and Dentaide and the other insurers). Such a dental
program will cost about 3K to 5K. It also permits me to function alone,
or have either my assistant or my hygienist do the billing and
scheduling for the patient. This is because I want to take my time in
finding a secretary that is good on the phone and not lazy. (I've had
some comments in that vein from the secretary of the now-retired Mad
Dogs, with whom we shared the waiting room.)

The new batch of Mad Dogs are taking the place of the old group, but
will only be up here for a couple of months: then they will go
downstairs to a huge location attached to the pharmacy. This was a
video rental place, but they moved a couple of years ago. It has been
basically unrented since then. I have asked if I can move with them,
and they say there would be enough space, but my CPA tells me it can
cost up to 60K just to get it set up and running...(!) I'm gonna talk
to the pharmacist owner and see if he's willing to help with the
relocation, and how much it'll cost to rent once I'm there, and where
I'll put my lab stuff...(Noise...). It would be nice to get out of this
location, as the waiting room is dim, smelly and 'hospital-ish'.

The purists amoung youse may take exception to my 'stringing along' my
secretary when I know she is crooked, but I look at it differently: she
has been stringing _me_ along since March when she came back from
maternity leave, and probably even before that. You would say: 'get rid
of her NOW.' _I_ say: when my CPA confirms what I have seen, and when I
can turn around and function autonomously. I have _no idea_ what the
upheaval will do to the situation with my assistant and my hygienist. I
just may end up all alone in the little shop.

In the meantime, I have put an ad in one of the local morning papers,
and the CV's are going into a post office box I took out for that
reason. The local locksmith will be notified at the ablolute last
minute, as he is a patient.

Cheers, gang
SP
StovePipe - 17 Oct 2005 15:36 GMT
> Howdy all people and animals and dentists.

> I have asked if I can move with them,(The new batch of Mad Dogs
> and they say there would be enough space, but my CPA tells me it can
> cost up to 60K just to get it set up and running...(!) I'm gonna talk
> to the pharmacist owner ....>
> Cheers, gang
> SP

Well, I just talked to his secretary, to see about meeting him to raise
that possibility, and it seems that this _is_ gonna be possible.
They're already talking 'bout it down in the head office.

Jeez... am I glad I got that new(er) chair into the hygiene room when I
did: the Head Mad Dog of the new group came by to see my little shop
last week, and he would have been horrified to see the old one.

Things _may_ be looking up a bit more than I previously thought.

Now... if I could only get some time to see about that ROOTER and get
it set up: the pointy heads at Sympatico tell me that the distance
between the DSL modem and the telephone socket shall not be more than
SEVEN FEET, if I want a decent signal. That means I'm gonna have to
staple the modem to the wife's piano or to the wall somewheres closer
to the socket. And, of course, I've gotta get it up and working. Gotta
get it done, though, as posting thru GOOOOGLE groupes on the wife's
Windoze box is the pits.

Cheers again gang...
SP
Amatus Cremona - 17 Oct 2005 15:41 GMT
>> I have asked if I can move with them,(The new batch of Mad Dogs
> and they say there would be enough space, but my CPA tells me it can
> cost up to 60K just to get it set up and running...(!) I'm going talk
> to the pharmacist owner ....>

Will you be sharing space, being a partner, being an employee, sharing a
common space, or just neighbors ?

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>> Howdy all people and animals and dentists.
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> Cheers again gang...
> SP
StovePipe - 17 Oct 2005 17:07 GMT
> >> I have asked if I can move with them,(The new batch of Mad Dogs
> > and they say there would be enough space, but my CPA tells me it can
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>
> /
We shared waiting room space and the taxes on that with the last group.
I imagine I will be a neighbor with shared common space again in this
case. I may need to share secretarial space with them as well; it
depends on the size of the space, and where I can put the lab stuff.
The difference is that I have my CPA who has more experience with these
kinds of arrangements to tell me if I can swallow it or not. I will be
paying my rent to the pharmacist again, but any 'common fees' will be
run by the CPA before I say yes. I say that because I was taken by the
old group of Mad Dogs with that the last time, and it won't happen
again.

Thanks
SP
Amatus Cremona - 17 Oct 2005 18:31 GMT
> We shared waiting room space and the taxes on that with the last group.
> I imagine I will be a neighbor with shared common space again in this
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> old group of Mad Dogs with that the last time, and it won't happen
> again.

Are the _Mad Dogs_ physicians or dentists ?

What happens if they are sloppy and you aren't.  Then, what if you want to
decorate the reception area differently, or if the principal  _Mad-Dog_
wants to display his collection of hunting trophies (or shrunken heads for
that matter).

I always suggest you not share more than a parking lot, a vestibule, and
maybe a staff lunch room.  Unless, you have know the other party for many
years, and find that both they and you keep virtually identical offices.

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>> >> I have asked if I can move with them,(The new batch of Mad Dogs
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> Thanks
> SP
StovePipe - 18 Oct 2005 05:02 GMT
> Are the _Mad Dogs_ physicians or dentists ?

Mad Dog = M.D. = Physician.

> What happens if they are sloppy and you aren't.  Then, what if you want to
> decorate the reception area differently, or if the principal  _Mad-Dog_
> wants to display his collection of hunting trophies (or shrunken heads for
> that matter).

Good question: in the last set up, I had my area and I put my posters
up there and they had their own area. The different areas weren't
physically separate though.

> I always suggest you not share more than a parking lot, a vestibule, and
> maybe a staff lunch room.  Unless, you have know the other party for many
> years, and find that both they and you keep virtually identical offices.

This is good advice, but I don't think it will be possible. I will make
those ideas known to the guy who draws up the plans, though. The thing
is that the area may not be large enough to have separate secretarial
areas. We may have to share that as well. However, if I stay upstairs
in the old section, I will be outside the traffic again, and the same
thing will happen as it did this summer: things were dead and the
waiting room could be seen for what it really was: a dump (almost).

Also, the pharmacies' administration is coming up from the downtown
area into this building, and they want the whole floor. This means that
I won't even have a waiting room, if I stay there. It _does_ mean that
I'll have a bit of leaverage, though, if they want me off the floor.

You have definitely given me things think about and to hash out with
the owner, though. The bottom line is to remain as independant as
possible, and not be saddled with unrealistic fees. If it doesn't work
out, I'll threaten to not move.
Thanks
SP
Amatus Cremona - 18 Oct 2005 13:25 GMT
> This is good advice, but I don't think it will be possible. I will make
> those ideas known to the guy who draws up the plans, though. The thing
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> thing will happen as it did this summer: things were dead and the
> waiting room could be seen for what it really was: a dump (almost).

You do as you please, but I strongly suggest you push hard for what you
_NEED_ , not what they want.  Start checking out other buildings in a five
mile radius today.  It might be cheaper to move buildings.  Besides, if the
practice has hit a plateau in the building you are in, you probably need to
move anyway.

Personally, I would not want to share physical space with physicians.  Their
work is too different from ours.  Most are sloppy.  Many do not keep a clean
office.  Then, there is the issue of how very different their staff is from
ours.

What happens when they wander over and grab your paper towels, soap, etc,
every time you are out of the building ?

Sharing secretarial areas can be a huge problem.  First off, you have the
excessive socializing going on, because they are not socializing with fellow
employees, so they think it is ok.  Then, you have the issue of who gets the
spot closer to the window, who gets which phone lines, who gets use of the
copier when the physician wants to copy 55 pages of reports.

Your situation may work perfectly and be far better than I could ever
imagine, but it could also be a real nightmare for you.

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>> Are the _Mad Dogs_ physicians or dentists ?
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> Thanks
> SP
StovePipe - 20 Oct 2005 05:45 GMT
Amatus Cremona a écrit :

> You do as you please, but I strongly suggest you push hard for what you
> _NEED_ , not what they want.

Thy word has been started today.

>Start checking out other buildings in a five
> mile radius today.  It might be cheaper to move buildings.  Besides, if the
> practice has hit a plateau in the building you are in, you probably need to
> move anyway.

Re: plateau: this is true. Re moving buildings.... most buildings
around here are made of BRICK and stuff like that..... Hard to put one
in the trunk... ;-)

> Personally, I would not want to share physical space with physicians.  Their
> work is too different from ours.  Most are sloppy.  Many do not keep a clean
> office.  Then, there is the issue of how very different their staff is from
> ours.

I'm startig to understand that now, after today.

> What happens when they wander over and grab your paper towels, soap, etc,
> every time you are out of the building ?

Our door is locked when we are gone now, as it will continue to be
if/when we move.

> Sharing secretarial areas can be a huge problem.  First off, you have the
> excessive socializing going on, because they are not socializing with fellow
> employees, so they think it is ok.  Then, you have the issue of who gets the
> spot closer to the window, who gets which phone lines, who gets use of the
> copier when the physician wants to copy 55 pages of reports.

Sharing: No. I understand that now. Socializing is already rediculously
frequent, as they can see each other across the waiting room floor.

Phones: we have two lines and we will conserve them. The one on the Fax
can run a DSL modem quite efficiently.

Photocopier: will be inside the locked area, as it is now. They have a
HUGE one, sitting in the waiting room.

> Your situation may work perfectly and be far better than I could ever
> imagine, but it could also be a real nightmare for you.

Point taken: I'm gonna see if the pharmacist owner will concent to
dropping the rental contract from 2 years 9 months to one year, with
option to renew, just for that eventuality.

> Amatus

Thanks
SP
StovePipe - 20 Oct 2005 05:24 GMT
Amatus Cremona a écrit :

> I always suggest you not share more than a parking lot, a vestibule, and
> maybe a staff lunch room.  Unless, you have know the other party for many
> years, and find that both they and you keep virtually identical offices.
>
> --

This is almost exactly how I'm gonna phrase it to the owner. Their
cleaner tells me that there will be more than enough room to do
separate offices.

Danka

SP
Robert  Morien - 17 Oct 2005 22:21 GMT
> > Howdy all people and animals and dentists.
>
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> Cheers again gang...
> SP

What is so sacred about 7 feet? After all the SOCKET is likely more than
7 feet from the switching office...do they think another 10 FEET or 20
FEET is going to make all that much difference? (Easiest thing is to try
a longer cord).

BTW if that should actually be the case (LOL!!!!) get a bridge router.
StovePipe - 20 Oct 2005 05:30 GMT
Robert Morien a écrit :

>That means I'm gonna have to
> > staple the modem to the wife's piano or to the wall somewheres closer
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> FEET is going to make all that much difference? (Easiest thing is to try
> a longer cord).

All I knows is that when I phoned Sympatico, they said that my upstream
(outgoing) signal was much too weak and so that would slow down the
handshaking and normal communications between the Wolf's (I MEAN....
the Wife's ) Windowze Box. This would be improved by putting filters on
all the phone sockets in the house, including the ones we aren't using,
and also shortening the phone wire to the modem and lengthening the
EtherNet wire from the modem to the 'Puter.

> BTW if that should actually be the case (LOL!!!!) get a bridge router.

Vas ist das; "bridge router?"

Danka

ze Stove Pipe
Robert  Morien - 20 Oct 2005 06:39 GMT
> Robert Morien a écrit :
>
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>
> ze Stove Pipe

Can't find you a definition that I like but essentially it's another
wireless router that receives signals from the first one and
rebroadcasts them. A remote amplifier of sorts
StovePipe - 22 Oct 2005 16:19 GMT
Robert Morien wrote:

> > Robert Morien a écrit :

> Can't find you a definition that I like but essentially it's another
> wireless router that receives signals from the first one and
> rebroadcasts them. A remote amplifier of sorts

A-Ha.... what the microwave techies would call a REPEATER. It takes
weak signals, boosts them and re-broadcasts them. I should-a thunk that
myself. But, I'm finishing up the admin program, and my conscoiousness
is in that stuff still.

Thanks RM, that will be the ultimate solution, eventually.

SP
Roy Brown - 20 Oct 2005 06:40 GMT
The 7' probably has something to do with the type of wire and shielding. The
internal wiring is a lot lighter than the external.

SP are you set up to bells new standards with a demarcation point? If so that is
where you should put the modem and filter the rest of the house from there.

Here are the simple facts. Bell can currently only provide up to 5 meg on the
line where the modem outputs up to 10 meg to you. The bog is what Bell can
provide to the modem. After that, there is a very good chance that everything
you have operates at a much higher speed. Slow ethernet is 10 meg, faster is
100. Slow wireless is 12, faster wireless is 54 or 108.

IOW if you get your modem running as fast as it can everything else easily
exceeds it.

Here's a link to some info on how it works.
http://www.dslreports.com/information/kb/DSL-1/introduction

It is a good site to browse, you will find a lot of info directly related to
Simpatico.
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Robert Morien a écrit :

> In article <1129559779.451331.179230@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>  "StovePipe" <stove99pipe@yahoo.ca> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> FEET is going to make all that much difference? (Easiest thing is to try
> a longer cord).

All I knows is that when I phoned Sympatico, they said that my upstream
(outgoing) signal was much too weak and so that would slow down the
handshaking and normal communications between the Wolf's (I MEAN....
the Wife's ) Windowze Box. This would be improved by putting filters on
all the phone sockets in the house, including the ones we aren't using,
and also shortening the phone wire to the modem and lengthening the
EtherNet wire from the modem to the 'Puter.

> BTW if that should actually be the case (LOL!!!!) get a bridge router.

Vas ist das; "bridge router?"

Danka

ze Stove Pipe
StovePipe - 22 Oct 2005 16:25 GMT
Roy's chickin scratchin's:

IOW if you get your modem running as fast as it can everything else
easily
exceeds it.

Here's a link to some info on how it works.
http://www.dslreports.com/information/kb/DSL-1/introduction

It is a good site to browse, you will find a lot of info directly
related to
Simpatico.
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Roy

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That's excellent. Thanks Roy.

kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 20 Oct 2005 21:45 GMT
Is stealing unique to dental employees, or are most Canadians Thieves.    I
would imagine not.
So what makes the these employees so dishonest.   Do they think you can
afford it, or just that they need it more than you.    Hard to understand
the motives.    Or do they take after the govenment.     Working certainly
has its risks, theivery being only one of them.
Gail
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 20 Oct 2005 22:03 GMT
Lets get the thieves spelled and labeled right.   (thievery) .     too
common for surprise.

Gail
Sue - 20 Oct 2005 23:07 GMT
Is stealing unique to dental employees, or are most Canadians Thieves.
 I
would imagine not.
So what makes the these employees so dishonest.   Do they think you can

afford it, or just that they need it more than you.    Hard to
understand
the motives.    Or do they take after the govenment.     Working
certainly
has its risks, theivery being only one of them.
Gail

Gail,

I will take a stab at this.  I hope that I do not offend SP.  I have
worked in convenience stores, gas stations (as the one who is supposed
to "catch" this sort of stuff). This kind of stuff happens when:

-the money is there, it is easy to do and there are no repercussions

It does not so much matter if they think SP can afford it or not. Even
fairly normal people turn to doing this sort of crap, if others are
doing it and getting away with it.

-being desperate for money will play into it, but not always.  Most
often it not for need.. it is just toooooo easy.

IMHO, if it is easy and there are no repercussions... and once on a
roll  -----> WATCH OUT!  You have to make sure you trust someone
fully... and even then, as pointed out by the ADA 35% of the dental
offices are affected by embezellment.

This sort of crime is very common in retail businesses, where help has
access to the money and there is very little or no supervision..... I
hate to say it.

-Sue
Sue - 20 Oct 2005 23:14 GMT
Actually, when I htink abotu it.. these plase wehre I wokred were in
economically depressed areas.. the "help" were all fairly wanting for a
bit more.....

...but still.. it was not like any of us were starving to death!

-Sue
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 21 Oct 2005 00:40 GMT
People do not realize they diminish themselves when they steal  or are
dishonest.  And whether they realize it or not, they are setting a bad
example for family.     Even small children have a way of knowing what is
going on, whether one tries to hide their actions or not.
Still I can  understand  some of the looting from the hurricane if it were
food or actual necesssities.     The govenment should have allowed the
storekeepers to give their food away and reimburse them.   That would be the
same as bringing food in, only more immediate.
Gail

> Actually, when I htink abotu it.. these plase wehre I wokred were in
> economically depressed areas.. the "help" were all fairly wanting for a
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>
> -Sue
Amatus Cremona - 17 Oct 2005 15:36 GMT
> The purists among youse may take exception to my 'stringing along' my
> secretary when I know she is crooked, but I look at it differently: she
> has been stringing _me_ along since March when she came back from
> maternity leave, and probably even before that.

Do enjoy being held hostage by your staff ?

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> Howdy all people and animals and dentists.
>
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> Cheers, gang
> SP
StovePipe - 18 Oct 2005 04:29 GMT
> Do enjoy being held hostage by your staff ?
> Amatus

Non, Monsieur!

That is why I'm getting the XL routines going; so that if they all
decide to support my secretary, they can all leave, and I can still
function. Being held hostage? No. But if we can't be on good terms,
then what is the point?  The point that matters to me is that this lady
(popular though she is) has stolen money from me (when I sorely needed
it) and then tried her damnedest to cover it up. I cannot trust her
with the petty cash, or with any form of payment involving money. If
that isn't enought to make the rest see things in a different light,
then there is no justice here.
Thanks
SP
Amatus Cremona - 18 Oct 2005 13:15 GMT
> That is why I'm getting the XL routines going; so that if they all
> decide to support my secretary, they can all leave, and I can still
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> that isn't enough to make the rest see things in a different light,
> then there is no justice here.

If you cannot trust her with petty cash, you MUST get rid of her NOW !  As,
there is no way you can possibly trust her to do anything else right.  Do
you know how many different ways she can steal money from you without
hitting the cash ?  Do you have any idea how many patients you can lose by
her having a less than stellar attitude ?  You need to give her all moneys
owed up to tomorrow, give her any owed vacation pay or personal time, give
her a week or two of advance wages, and tell her to have a nice life.  If
you wife did not trust you, would she let you sleep in your own house ?
Does the farmer let the wolf sleep in the chicken coop ?

You don't need any staff.  You only need yourself.  Staff are only there to
make your day easier and more pleasant.  When they stop doing that, it is
time for them to go.  P-E-R-I-O-D !

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>> Do enjoy being held hostage by your staff ?
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> Thanks
> SP
W_B - 18 Oct 2005 15:52 GMT
>> has stolen money from me (when I sorely needed
>> it) and then tried her damnedest to cover it up. I cannot trust her
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>her having a less than stellar attitude ?  You need to give her all moneys
>owed up to tomorrow, give her any owed vacation pay or personal time,

If you can find out how much she has stolen you can deduct that
from her pay.
Forensic accountant may be able to help you.

>give
>her a week or two of advance wages, and tell her to have a nice life.  If

Forget the severance package and call an attorney, embezzlement is a crime.

>You don't need any staff.  You only need yourself.  Staff are only there to
>make your day easier and more pleasant.  When they stop doing that, it is
>time for them to go.  P-E-R-I-O-D !

Right on, BooBoo !
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Amatus Cremona - 18 Oct 2005 16:22 GMT
> Forget the severance package and call an attorney, embezzlement is a
> crime.

I would not argue that point, but if Stovapipe would like to just close the
issue real quick, the severance pay makes the person leave real fast and
eliminates any feeling of guilt.  I suspect SP does not enjoy firing anyone
and tries to avoid it (as we all do).

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>>> has stolen money from me (when I sorely needed
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
W_B - 18 Oct 2005 16:53 GMT
>> Forget the severance package and call an attorney, embezzlement is a
>> crime.
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>eliminates any feeling of guilt.  I suspect SP does not enjoy firing anyone
>and tries to avoid it (as we all do).

Sorry dude, it doesn't bug me a bit to let someone go if there is
a problem that hurts the practice. It's simply a business decision,
nothing personal.

Nonetheless, this employee of SP's has *stolen* from him !
He could have her arrested, but I suppose firing her, changing
the locks, etc. would suffice for him.

I say forget the severance pay, she has already stolen it !
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Amatus Cremona - 18 Oct 2005 17:40 GMT
> Nonetheless, this employee of SP's has *stolen* from him !
> He could have her arrested, but I suppose firing her, changing
> the locks, etc. would suffice for him.

I agree 100%, but get the impression that SP is not yet calloused by such
occurrences to react as you and I would.  I would tell the lady to go home
the moment I have any proof, with the promise of owed wages to follow by
weeks end, and court summons to follow that if enough solid proof is found.
Locks get changed as quickly as I can get a locksmith out.  The more staff
who witness this the better.  That way they know they will not be getting
away with anything, either.

In the past, I had staff complain that they had headaches, cramps, run-down,
felt bad, etc.  As soon as I hear a staff person complain hat they are not
100%, I insist they go home.  I stand there until they get their stuff and
leave.  I tell them to come back as soon as they are able to work at 100%.
Usually, they tell me they are feeling better and want to stay.  I still
insist they go home since they told me they were not working at their normal
capacity.  Magically, I never get another complaint that a staff person is
not feeling good.  All my staff tell me that they are feeling great every
single day.  I never complain about not feeling perfect, and neither do
they.  Plus, they get to see that I can actually function without them in
the office, so they realize that the likelihood of holding me hostage over
some issue is rather remote.

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>>> Forget the severance package and call an attorney, embezzlement is a
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
W_B - 18 Oct 2005 20:22 GMT
>> Nonetheless, this employee of SP's has *stolen* from him !
>> He could have her arrested, but I suppose firing her, changing
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>the office, so they realize that the likelihood of holding me hostage over
>some issue is rather remote.

I like it !
The school of hard knocks is an unforgiving task master.

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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
StovePipe - 20 Oct 2005 06:12 GMT
Amatus Cremona a écrit :

> > Nonetheless, this employee of SP's has *stolen* from him !
> > He could have her arrested, but I suppose firing her, changing
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> who witness this the better.  That way they know they will not be getting
> away with anything, either.

My plan exactly, and also they will be witnesses in the event that
this... 'Individual' decides to accuse me of assault or whatever.

> In the past, ....  I never complain about not feeling perfect, and neither do
> they.  Plus, they get to see that I can actually function without them in
> the office, so they realize that the likelihood of holding me hostage over
> some issue is rather remote.

Why do you think I'm getting the XL routines going???? And making a
point of telling the other two that they must also know how to use
it???? There is no indespensible man....

Danka
SP

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Ann - 20 Oct 2005 21:05 GMT
>> Nonetheless, this employee of SP's has *stolen* from him !
>> He could have her arrested, but I suppose firing her, changing
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>the office, so they realize that the likelihood of holding me hostage over
>some issue is rather remote.

Hmm...sounds like a really nice place to work.. high morale and a
pleasant atmosphere...not.

Ann
Amatus Cremona - 21 Oct 2005 20:50 GMT
>Hmm...sounds like a really nice place to work.. high morale and a
>pleasant atmosphere.

You are right, it is a nice place to work. Everyone is always doing
GREAT.

Amatus

>>> Nonetheless, this employee of SP's has *stolen* from him !
>>> He could have her arrested, but I suppose firing her, changing
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>Ann

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Amatus

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Roy Brown - 19 Oct 2005 06:17 GMT
Might be mandatory under legislation, worth a call to SP's equivalent of the
Ministry of Labour. Employment and other Laws are a little different up here.

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| >> | I say forget the severance pay, she has already stolen it !
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W_B - 19 Oct 2005 15:46 GMT
>Might be mandatory under legislation, worth a call to SP's equivalent of the
>Ministry of Labour. Employment and other Laws are a little different up here.

Ahh yes, lovely liberal Kanaadaa.
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Roy Brown - 19 Oct 2005 22:25 GMT
| >Might be mandatory under legislation, worth a call to SP's equivalent of the
| >Ministry of Labour. Employment and other Laws are a little different up here.
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More of an equality thing, I think. One has to pay 4% vac pay. If an employee
that gets their 4% with every check, they don't get another 4% on leaving. This
ensures those who get vac. pay annually don't get screwed when they leave. Some
employers could and would rotate staff every 300 some odd days just to avoid
paying the extra 4%.

Sometimes it is better to pay $$ in lieu of notice. A little insurance the so
individual does not take what they think they deserve. Saves the headaches of
lost business, further disruptions to the office and other staff etc. Quick,
clean and CYA with the laws.
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W_B - 19 Oct 2005 22:45 GMT
>| On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:17:50 -0400, "Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.caNADA>
>wrote:
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>lost business, further disruptions to the office and other staff etc. Quick,
>clean and CYA with the laws.

You actually have to give a paid vacation ? 4% of annual salary ?
How does it work for hourly employees on an annual basis ?
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Sue - 20 Oct 2005 01:00 GMT
FYI. Just came across this on the ADA website.

"Think it can't happen to you? Think again. Studies show that 35% of
dental offices have been embezzled from, and 17% have been repeated
victims of this disturbing crime."

-Sue
carabelli - 20 Oct 2005 01:09 GMT
> FYI. Just came across this on the ADA website.
>
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>
> -Sue

And what exactly does this have to do with spending the night with sheep?

Mark Tarka
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Roy Brown - 20 Oct 2005 02:29 GMT
"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote |
| You actually have to give a paid vacation ? 4% of annual salary ?
| How does it work for hourly employees on an annual basis ?
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| Take out the G'RBAGE
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4% of gross, does not matter hourly or salary. It basically works out to the
equivalent of 2 weeks paid vacation a year for a full time position not
including paid stat holidays. You factor it into the salary when determining
wages. Same as you do for the mandatory workplace insurance, (un)employment
insurance, and the employers portion of the federal pension plan.

Workplace insurance is based by industry, dental offices are a little under 2%
of gross, building demolition workers are somewhere between 60-80%. Those values
may change if you have a greater # or severity of workplace injuries.

Your average employer determines labour costs as the actual wage + a minimum of
20-25%. More if you are providing medical / dental benefits. (our socialized
medicine is not totally socialized). Each and every year we reach into our own
pockets to pay for newly "delisted" procedures. Though the gov't is not willing
to admit it yet, 2 tier medicine is here.

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W_B - 20 Oct 2005 15:07 GMT
>"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote |
>| You actually have to give a paid vacation ? 4% of annual salary ?
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>pockets to pay for newly "delisted" procedures. Though the gov't is not willing
>to admit it yet, 2 tier medicine is here.

Sorry dude.

No wonder the whole thing is collapsing.
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Roy Brown - 20 Oct 2005 21:05 GMT
I find it ironic and pathetic that you can see it as plain as day, but the
government has it's blinders on.

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"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote | >Your average employer determines labour
costs as the actual wage + a minimum of

| >20-25%. More if you are providing medical / dental benefits. (our socialized
| >medicine is not totally socialized). Each and every year we reach into our own
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W_B - 21 Oct 2005 15:18 GMT
>I find it ironic and pathetic that you can see it as plain as day, but the
>government has it's blinders on.

I suspect there is an ingrained entitlement mentality in the voting
public that keeps the buffoons in office.
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StovePipe - 22 Oct 2005 16:12 GMT
> >"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message

> You actually have to give a paid vacation ? 4% of annual salary ?
> How does it work for hourly employees on an annual basis ?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

Just like that: You add up the $$$$ paid over the year, and you give
them thier 4% added on with the last pay before vacations.

SP
StovePipe - 20 Oct 2005 06:06 GMT
W_B a écrit :

> Sorry dude, it doesn't bug me a bit to let someone go if there is
> a problem that hurts the practice. It's simply a business decision,
> nothing personal.

It is a question of survival: she is stealing my children's future, and
that of the little shop.

> Nonetheless, this employee of SP's has *stolen* from him !
> He could have her arrested, but I suppose firing her, changing
> the locks, etc. would suffice for him.

For NOW, yes. But the professionals are in the know, just in case her
Hells' style 'husband' decides to get drunk one night...

> I say forget the severance pay, she has already stolen it !
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>
> W_B

Like you said: this is SOCIALIST KKKAAAAANNNNNAAAADDDDAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Like The Big C said: I don't have a signed affadavit from each of them
forbidding them from stealing from me.
W_B - 20 Oct 2005 15:15 GMT
>Like you said: this is SOCIALIST KKKAAAAANNNNNAAAADDDDAAAA!!!!!!!!!
>Like The Big C said: I don't have a signed affadavit from each of them
>forbidding them from stealing from me.

What ?! No laws against theft ?

Wait a minute, I'll be right over.
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Amatus Cremona - 20 Oct 2005 19:05 GMT
>Like you said: this is SOCIALIST KKKAAAAANNNNNAAAADDDDAAAA!!!!!!!!!
>Like The Big C said: I don't have a signed affidavit from each of them
>forbidding them from stealing from me.

My office procedure manual specifically states that dishonesty is grounds
for immediate dismissal with loss of any vacation pay.  Every employee signs
a form saying they have read the entire manual, understand it and agree to
follow it.

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W_B a écrit :

> Sorry dude, it doesn't bug me a bit to let someone go if there is
> a problem that hurts the practice. It's simply a business decision,
> nothing personal.

It is a question of survival: she is stealing my children's future, and
that of the little shop.

> Nonetheless, this employee of SP's has *stolen* from him !
> He could have her arrested, but I suppose firing her, changing
> the locks, etc. would suffice for him.

For NOW, yes. But the professionals are in the know, just in case her
Hells' style 'husband' decides to get drunk one night...

> I say forget the severance pay, she has already stolen it !
> --
>
> W_B

Like you said: this is SOCIALIST KKKAAAAANNNNNAAAADDDDAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Like The Big C said: I don't have a signed affadavit from each of them
forbidding them from stealing from me.
Sue - 20 Oct 2005 19:49 GMT
Like you said: this is SOCIALIST KKKAAAAANNNNNAAAADDDDAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Like The Big C said: I don't have a signed affadavit from each of them
forbidding them from stealing from me.

******

If I move to KKKKKKKKKAAAAAANADDDDDDAAA can I steal from you too?

-Sue
StovePipe - 22 Oct 2005 17:39 GMT
My office procedure manual specifically states that dishonesty is
grounds
for immediate dismissal with loss of any vacation pay.  Every employee
signs
a form saying they have read the entire manual, understand it and agree
to
follow it.
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Then, that's what I need to make.
Thanks, A...you should write a book...
SP
Amatus Cremona - 23 Oct 2005 04:08 GMT
Would you like a copy of my procedure manual to use as a guideline?

Amatus

>My office procedure manual specifically states that dishonesty is
>grounds
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>to
>follow it.

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Amatus

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Joel M. Eichen - 23 Oct 2005 11:50 GMT
>Would you like a copy of my procedure manual to use as a guideline?
>
>Amatus

Why not post it here?

Then we could discuss and all learn.

Joel

>>My office procedure manual specifically states that dishonesty is
>>grounds
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Amatus Cremona - 24 Oct 2005 19:14 GMT
> Why not post it here?

Too many pages

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Joel M. Eichen - 25 Oct 2005 04:08 GMT
>> Why not post it here?
>
>Too many pages

Yup, the internet limits each person to four pages ......
Amatus Cremona - 27 Oct 2005 19:39 GMT
> Yup, the internet limits each person to four pages ......

My manual is over an inch thick.  I don't have specific page numbers, but
numbers within sub-chapters.  I don't know exactly how many pages it has.
If I do a revision this month, I will convert the entire text to .doc files
and mail a CD to W_B and Stovepipe.

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>>> Why not post it here?
>>
>>Too many pages
>
> Yup, the internet limits each person to four pages ......
W_B - 27 Oct 2005 20:08 GMT
>> Yup, the internet limits each person to four pages ......
>
>My manual is over an inch thick.  I don't have specific page numbers, but
>numbers within sub-chapters.  I don't know exactly how many pages it has.
>If I do a revision this month, I will convert the entire text to .doc files
>and mail a CD to W_B and Stovepipe.

Thanks man, I know that's alot ot typing.

No hurry.

Many thanks again.
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Amatus Cremona - 28 Oct 2005 22:55 GMT
>Thanks man, I know that's alot ot typing.

Fortunately, most of the pages are already in .doc format. It is about
time for a periodic review and update of the manual anyway. The manual
has to constantly evolve.

Amatus

>>> Yup, the internet limits each person to four pages ......
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>
>Many thanks again.

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Amatus

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Amatus Cremona - 31 Oct 2005 15:20 GMT
I made it about half way through the manual this weekend before getting
bored.  Let's see if I can finish it tonight while waiting for the two
trick-or-treaters which usually hit our end of the sub-division.  One year,
we actually had the bell ring 6 times.  Usually just 1-3 times is average.
Parents don't seem to let the kids walk neighborhoods without sidewalks
anymore on Halloween.

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>>Thanks man, I know that's alot ot typing.
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StovePipe - 23 Oct 2005 15:30 GMT
> Would you like a copy of my procedure manual to use as a guideline?
>
> Amatus
>
> On 22 Oct 2005 09:39:12 -0700, "StovePipe" <stove99pipe@yahoo.ca>

Sure would... That would help enormously. If you don't have my email
anymore, just shout.

And your idea for phoning patients at home is good too.

Thanks
SP
Amatus Cremona - 23 Oct 2005 22:46 GMT
>Sure would... That would help enormously. If you don't have my email
>anymore, just shout.

Email me at my office. Let me know how big of a file you can receive.
Might be better to give me Your mailing address and I will ship a CD
to you.

Amatus

>> Would you like a copy of my procedure manual to use as a guideline?
>>
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>Thanks
>SP

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SP wrote:

>Sure would... That would help enormously. If you don't have my email
>anymore, just shout.

Email me at my office. Let me know how big of a file you can receive.
Might be better to give me Your mailing address and I will ship a CD
to you.

Amatus

Fine... I'll get out the ol' iBook and send that off this week. First I
have a sick little girl to contend with, and I think the cleaner didn't
get a key for cleaning the shop this weekend... I'll have to attend to
that first.

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W_B - 24 Oct 2005 18:08 GMT
I sure would.

>Would you like a copy of my procedure manual to use as a guideline?
>
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Amatus Cremona - 08 Nov 2005 13:15 GMT
> I sure would.

I have the files all updated.  I will send out a CD-ROM to both of you.  If
you decide to use any of it, just edit out the computer references and
insert paper charting.  I'll try to get it mailed later this week.  Let me
know when you get it.

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> I sure would.
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W_B - 08 Nov 2005 18:05 GMT
>> I sure would.
>
>I have the files all updated.  I will send out a CD-ROM to both of you.  If
>you decide to use any of it, just edit out the computer references and
>insert paper charting.  I'll try to get it mailed later this week.  Let me
>know when you get it.

Thanks.
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StovePipe - 09 Nov 2005 04:21 GMT
Amatus sed:
I have the files all updated.  I will send out a CD-ROM to both of you.
If
>you decide to use any of it, just edit out the computer references and
>insert paper charting.  I'll try to get it mailed later this week.  Let me
>know when you get it.
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W_B then crooned:
Thanks.
++++++++++++++++++

And that goes double for me
Cheers
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Amatus Cremona - 10 Nov 2005 13:13 GMT
> I sure would.

Watch your snail mail box.  Assuming I put enough postage on each, you
should each get a CD-ROM in a few days from me.  Everything is in WORD
format, so you should be able to read it and modify as desired (if desired).

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>> I sure would.
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W_B - 10 Nov 2005 16:27 GMT
>> I sure would.
>
>Watch your snail mail box.  Assuming I put enough postage on each, you
>should each get a CD-ROM in a few days from me.  Everything is in WORD
>format, so you should be able to read it and modify as desired (if desired).

Thanks again brother.
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Amatus Cremona - 11 Nov 2005 01:06 GMT
>Thanks again brother.

You are welcome, and I truly feel like you are a true brother. Thank
you for the friendship.

Amatus

>>> I sure would.
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>
>Thanks again brother.

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> I sure would.

Watch your snail mail box.  Assuming I put enough postage on each, you
should each get a CD-ROM in a few days from me.  Everything is in WORD
format, so you should be able to read it and modify as desired (if
desired).

Thanks loads, AC... really appreciate it, as I'm sure you know. I tried
to email you two nights ago to give you my address if you needed it,
but it never got to 'Nicola's Place'. Anyway, thanks again, Mi Amiga
;-)

SP
Amatus Cremona - 11 Nov 2005 17:09 GMT
>Thanks loads, AC... really appreciate it, as I'm sure you know. I tried
>to email you two nights ago to give you my address if you needed it,
>but it never got to 'Nicola's Place'. Anyway, thanks again, Mi Amiga

Don't try to respond to the email address on listed to this screen name as
it is totally phony.  Send to any of my real email addresses.  If you need
them again, let me know and I will forward the list to you.  I found I still
had your address in my palm pilot on the "H"  .   I have your home address
listed as well.  I sent the disc to the office.  Just let me know when you
actually have it.  There are over 180 pages to the manual, so it would take
forever to email them to you unless you have broadband.

I met with Stradovari's French teacher today.  Mrs. Amatus mentioned that
Stradovari wants to go to France on a vast, but I mentioned knowing someone
in Qc, so the ladies decided we have to take a vacation to Qc !  Maybe in a
few months ?  We shall see, as the traveling budget is getting very tight
right now.

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> I sure would.

Watch your snail mail box.  Assuming I put enough postage on each, you
should each get a CD-ROM in a few days from me.  Everything is in WORD
format, so you should be able to read it and modify as desired (if
desired).

Thanks loads, AC... really appreciate it, as I'm sure you know. I tried
to email you two nights ago to give you my address if you needed it,
but it never got to 'Nicola's Place'. Anyway, thanks again, Mi Amiga
;-)

SP
StovePipe - 11 Nov 2005 18:20 GMT
Ammmmmmmmmmmatus annnotated:

I met with Stradovari's French teacher today.  Mrs. Amatus mentioned
that
Stradovari wants to go to France on a vast, but I mentioned knowing
someone
in Qc, so the ladies decided we have to take a vacation to Qc !  Maybe
in a
few months ?  We shall see, as the traveling budget is getting very
tight
right now.
+++++++++++++++++

Traveling budget: _That_ is a song I know only too well... Gads, if it
weren't for the Pater, my kids wouldn't even realize there is a real
world outside of Qc.... And you know how hard it was for me just to get
up and see Roy in T.O. when the Almighty Ray Berlottttttttttttti was
giving sermon in Oct 2004.

Of course, you are welcome here anytime, except that I should stress
that most probably in late July, there will be at least _some_  days
where we may be on voyage as well. I don't even know _if_ that will be
possible this year, and I won't until the spring. I see no reason why
we couldn't coordinate things well.

So, if you come up here, and you want to have a real holiday, I can get
in touch with some of the local tourist agencies, so as to be able to
show you more than just the city and the mountain bike trails. I really
do think that this area is a bargain for USAian dollars, and we hear
American being spoken every summer, especially in the Old Town. That
would be a good time, I think, when the Old Town transforms itself into
an early New France settlement, complete with costumes. Stradovari
would get a kick outta dressing in period costume; 'specially since
doing so gets him free snacks and stuff.... I think he is roughly the
same age as DrainPipe, my little guy. DP rarely speaks English, but he
understands everything, as I require it by limiting my speech to
nothing else here in the house. It is much the same with MiniPipe, my
little girl. So if SC wants to practice his French, they can do it for
him in a fun way.

This welcome of course extends to any of the regs, since I know that
with very few exceptions, they are quality people. The ones I _don't_
get on with wouldn't want to come up here anyway... Too much Ammmalgam
in the air....

And it would be interesting to see your face when you see the Little
Shop of Horrors....how small it really is.

Maybe we could even get Roy and C-A to come up at the same time....

I'll see what is going on this summer (unless you want to come over in
the Winter as well and try some skiing.... That is usually best in late
Winter here.... and the hills are less than 30 minutes away.

Cheers   ;-)
SP
Amatus Cremona - 11 Nov 2005 18:32 GMT
> I'll see what is going on this summer (unless you want to come over in
> the Winter as well and try some skiing.... That is usually best in late
> Winter here.... and the hills are less than 30 minutes away.

I am not a skier (despite living in the northern reaches of North Dakota
here), middle aged arthritis in the knees and the fear of damaging a wrist
or hand keep me off ski slopes.  Stradovari has a Ben Franklin outfit which
he will be using for a school presentation on American history this month.
I bet that colonial garb would work well in Qc as well.  The trick would be
getting him to put it on a second time.  I think it would be great practice
in French for Stradavari.  I can get by with Italian in many communities,
but I doubt it would be helpful in Qc.  I wonder what Mrs. Amatus would say
about trying a visit during Spring Break from school ?

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> Cheers   ;-)
> SP
The Webby - 11 Nov 2005 23:40 GMT
When visiting northern Italy and struggling with my very poor command of
the language while constantly consulting two dictionaries I carried
everywhere, the Italians would ask, "Do you speak French?" ... So many
of them spoke French ... but no... I had no French language skills
whatsoever!!!  Spanish???? Yes!  It helped a great deal for listening
and understanding Italian but everytime I tried to use my limited
Italian "skills", Spanish got in the way and messed me up every
time!!!!!  So, I said, I will learn Italian before my next visit... and
they said, "No, we should learn English before your next visit!!" ...
anyway, it's amazing how well everyone can get along together while
struggling to be understood ... very much like posting to smd.  To be a
longtime reg here means that you spent time struggling to understand
others and to be understood.  Otherwise, why stay?

> > I'll see what is going on this summer (unless you want to come over in
> > the Winter as well and try some skiing.... That is usually best in late
> > Winter here.... and the hills are less than 30 minutes away.

[snip]

Did you know that winter skiing (approx. 8500 ft. elevation) is only
about 45 minutes from the Las Vegas Strip!  Most people do not realize
that to be so.  ;-)

TW
Stovepipe - 19 Nov 2005 04:46 GMT
> Did you know that winter skiing (approx. 8500 ft. elevation) is only
> about 45 minutes from the Las Vegas Strip!  Most people do not realize
> that to be so.  ;-)
>
> TW

Most people do not realize that the Earth is shaped like a wine bottle
cork....
SP
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> > Did you know that winter skiing (approx. 8500 ft. elevation) is only
> > about 45 minutes from the Las Vegas Strip!  Most people do not realize
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> cork....
> SP

As for the ski slopes -- it's true unless you get caught in some very
bad traffic! Then it might be like comparing earth's shape to a wine
bottle cork!  Is this how we explain stretching the truth???

TW ;-)
Stovepipe - 19 Nov 2005 17:55 GMT
> As for the ski slopes -- it's true unless you get caught in some very
> bad traffic! Then it might be like comparing earth's shape to a wine
> bottle cork!  Is this how we explain stretching the truth???
>
> TW ;-)

I suppose so.... stretching the truth is easier when the stuff that
stains the wine bottle cork a reddish color has been totally consumed
amoungst not more than three truth-tellers before hand.

Cheers!
SP
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Roy Brown - 20 Nov 2005 08:00 GMT
| > > Did you know that winter skiing (approx. 8500 ft. elevation) is only
| > > about 45 minutes from the Las Vegas Strip!  Most people do not realize
| > > that to be so.  ;-)
| > >
| > > TW

The more I think of it, Bullhead City keeps sounding better and better. I doubt
that is going to be a 45 minute drive through a snow belt, with streamers and
lake effect snow.
Vaughn - 19 Nov 2005 15:58 GMT
> Most people do not realize that the Earth is shaped like a wine bottle
> cork....

    Ahh soooo!  If God didn't expect us to drink, she wouldn't have shaped the
earth like a wine cork?

Vaughn
Stovepipe - 19 Nov 2005 17:55 GMT
> > Most people do not realize that the Earth is shaped like a wine bottle
> > cork....
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> Vaughn

That's a good way of putting it, yes!
Cheers
SP.

BTW.... is the Hurricaine season over yet?
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Vaughn - 19 Nov 2005 23:27 GMT
> BTW.... is the Hurricaine season over yet?

    Nope!  In fact, we had a bit of a scare this weekend (TS Gamma).  Any snow
yet?  (none here)

Regards
Vaughn
Stovepipe - 20 Nov 2005 05:02 GMT
> > BTW.... is the Hurricaine season over yet?
>
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> Vaughn

Well, a sprinkling, yes. But then it turns warm again and it melts.
It'll be like that for a while yet. However, the Farmer's Almanach
predicts a lot of snow in December and February. So if so, it'll be a
good winter for skiing.

Hope you get no more than 'sacres'.
SP

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Amatus Cremona - 21 Nov 2005 21:33 GMT
>     Nope!  In fact, we had a bit of a scare this weekend (TS Gamma).  Any
> snow yet?  (none here)

Here in Gary, Indiana, we have only seen light flurries blowing around on
the roads.  We may get some actual white stuff on the lawns this weekend.

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Stovepipe - 22 Nov 2005 06:01 GMT
> >     Nope!  In fact, we had a bit of a scare this weekend (TS Gamma).  Any
> > snow yet?  (none here)
>
> Here in Gary, Indiana, we have only seen light flurries blowing around on
> the roads.  We may get some actual white stuff on the lawns this weekend.

....'Thought you were still in RattleSnake Buttes, Wyoming-azona
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Amatus Cremona - 22 Nov 2005 12:35 GMT
1-2 inches tonight and tomorrow.  I better get the blue car running quick.
The caries in the exhaust system of the SUV is getter bigger.  I want to get
it restored before it perforates into the pulp.

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Sue - 22 Nov 2005 15:48 GMT
> 1-2 inches tonight and tomorrow.  I better get the blue car running quick.
> The caries in the exhaust system of the SUV is getter bigger.  I want to get
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> >> > snow yet?  (none here)

Apply stem cells and you will get more to the gallon.

Sue

> >> Here in Gary, Indiana, we have only seen light flurries blowing around on
> >> the roads.  We may get some actual white stuff on the lawns this weekend.
> >
> > ....'Thought you were still in RattleSnake Buttes, Wyoming-azona
> > SP
W_B - 21 Nov 2005 17:25 GMT
>> > Most people do not realize that the Earth is shaped like a wine bottle
>> > cork....
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>BTW.... is the Hurricaine season over yet?

Nope. Say hello to Gamma.
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The Webby - 11 Nov 2005 23:32 GMT
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> This welcome of course extends to any of the regs, since I know that
> with very few exceptions, they are quality people. The ones I _don't_
> get on with wouldn't want to come up here anyway... Too much Ammmalgam
> in the air....

Hey, SP!!  I will try not to let my A....m.......'s out into the air if
you would let me in your city.  I tell them all the time to stay inside
or they may end up in trouble.  So far, they're very well behaved.

The Webby!
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> The Webby!

Of COURSE you are welcome here! Wouldn't it be cool if we could get a
Mini-SMD-alt-support-jaw-disorders summit here in QC????? Of course,
that really is possible here, as the public can reserve conference
rooms over at the local court house for free. We could even claim it on
our taxes if we were to have a half-way-decent lecture session or round
table.

Think about it.
SP
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> > >
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> Think about it.
> SP

Thank you, SP!!  And yes, I have *always* looked forward to the day when
the group's participants would be able to get together IRL.  Maybe it
will still happen one of these days.  

Webby
Amatus Cremona - 14 Nov 2005 19:35 GMT
> Thank you, SP!!  And yes, I have *always* looked forward to the day when
> the group's participants would be able to get together IRL.  Maybe it
> will still happen one of these days.

I could be made to happen.  If enough regulars express an interest, we can
get one of us to sponsor a meeting.

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Stovepipe - 19 Nov 2005 04:46 GMT
> > I sure would.
>
> Watch your snail mail box.  Assuming I put enough postage on each, you
> should each get a CD-ROM in a few days from me.  Everything is in WORD
> format, so you should be able to read it and modify as desired (if desired).

Got it! They delivered it this week but I didn't check my mail 'till
yesterday...

Thanks loads AC...

I ask youse: how many other study groups and news groups can you name
where people do things like that?!?!?!?

It caused quite a stir in the Clinique: the others wanted to know if
this guy Amatus was a world famous dentist..

'Oh, yes,' I said.... It was like they were confirming that this famous
'study circle' really does exist.

Then they saw the USA stamps (posted in Pembina) and they thought that
was something...

... Um... there's just one thing, AC...

<the Pipe drops to a whisper...>

You didn't give us the key to unlock the Playoy Bunny movies file!!!!!

Man!!! we need that!!!

Thanks. I'll read it and let you now if there are things we might
discuss here

Cheers, man, YOU ROCK!!!!
SP
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Amatus Cremona - 19 Nov 2005 21:57 GMT
>Thanks loads AC...

My pleasure.

Amatus

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>SP

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