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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / November 2005How to self treat abscess for 2 months
What medicine would be best for a gum/root canal abscess to keep it quiet for 3 months. I've used Keflex (500mg, 4x day, 10 days) with good results. Abscess went away for 3 months. PenVeeK (250mg, 4x day)was used for 7 days with not great results (slow healing, abscess came back). My dentist insists on doing a root canal at this point, but I cannot afford $2000. My dental insurance maxed out this year and I already have a $4700 bill. What can I use till January, when I get my benefits back? The dentist said that the root canal is old and has double silver wires, which are bad and are causing trouble. Are antibiotics used for cats or other animals the same as prescribed for humans, as I saw the same pills on animal med sites for a far lesser price. I was thinking of getting cat cephalexin, 500 mg, 40 of them. please advise what to do till I can afford the root canal, which I probably need. Thank you. > What medicine would be best for a gum/root canal abscess to keep it > quiet for 3 months. I've used Keflex (500mg, 4x day, 10 days) with good > results. Abscess went away for 3 months. PenVeeK (250mg, 4x day)was > used for 7 days with not great results (slow healing, abscess came > back). Ask your doctor and/or dentist about Avelox. It isn't cheap, though.  Signature"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner." - Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather >> What medicine would be best for a gum/root canal abscess to keep it >> quiet for 3 months. I've used Keflex (500mg, 4x day, 10 days) with good [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Ask your doctor and/or dentist about Avelox. It isn't cheap, though. They always tell me that at Famous Delicatessen at Fourth and Bainbridge ..... Hmmmmm. What's good? WAITER: "Avalox and bagel." >What medicine would be best for a gum/root canal abscess to keep it >quiet for 3 months. I've used Keflex (500mg, 4x day, 10 days) with good >results. Abscess went away for 3 months. PenVeeK (250mg, 4x day)was >used for 7 days with not great results (slow healing, abscess came >back). Is the canal open or closed? Joel >My dentist insists on doing a root canal at this point, but I cannot >afford $2000. My dental insurance maxed out this year and I already [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >lesser price. I was thinking of getting cat cephalexin, 500 mg, 40 of >them. Excellent idea. Is your wife a Persian or a Himalayan? (Strange new world, and any possibility is considered). >please advise what to do till I can afford the root canal, which I >probably need. Thank you. Are you far from the border? Why not get it done in Mexico? There are great dentists over there. Am not a dentist, but cannot think of a worse endeavor than to self treat an abscess. Even the dentists cannot always get all the canals in the tooth clear of infection and whatever you would do would be only temporary and would return and perhaps the tooth would break off entirely. It is not like an abscess topically on the body where you can see when the infection is gone or internally where the antibiotic works because there is good circulation. Don't look for a bad experience. The teeth are very stubborn. They don't yield. Gail > Are you far from the border? Why not get it done in Mexico? There are > great dentists over there. >Am not a dentist, but cannot think of a worse endeavor than to self treat >an abscess. Even the dentists cannot always get all the canals in the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >stubborn. They don't yield. >Gail But he can't afford to have it treated at the moment. So how would you suggest he get the money? Ann >> Are you far from the border? Why not get it done in Mexico? There are >> great dentists over there. Go to emergency public service, in almost every country there is a speciality department where you can get root canal done for free, if you dont have money to pay a private practice. An abcess has to be consider an emergency. Jose Your message came in just after I posted mine...I live in a city where there is hardly any emergency care and unless on is on Medi-Cal, no free service as far as I know. The dental school charges close to $1,000 for a root canal, and at the new year I probably will go there. Miracatta's Post:Your message came in just after I posted mine...I live in a city where there is hardly any emergency care and unless on is on Medi-Cal, no free service as far as I know. The dental school charges close to $1,000 for a root canal, and at the new year I probably will go there. Flap's Reply: So, you live in California. I am a California dentist. Where do you live? Perhaps I can help. BTW don't self treat......you are asking for trouble. Flap http://flapsblog.com >Miracatta's Post:Your message came in just after I posted mine...I >live in a city where there is hardly any emergency care and unless on >is on Medi-Cal, no >free service as far as I know. The dental school charges close to >$1,000 for a root canal, and at the new year I probably will go there. I do not understand ... do they have a New Year's Special on root canals? >Flap's Reply: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >http://flapsblog.com No, but my insurance carrier does have a New Year's special--no matter what, no more benefits for me till 1/1/06. It wouldn't be an issue except that my dental bill has been massive this year, with a back bridge failing, needing one extraction, 2 root canals, and a new bridge. Then there was all the OTHER work. I am a she, anyway. Miracatto would be a "he" but this is Miracatta. I have four cats but am married to a human who would hit the roof if he knew I was self-treating the problem. I will have insurance reinstated 1/1/2006. I may well look into Mexican dentistry even then, as I live near enough to the border and will probably max out next year's, too. All I want is to tread water, if possible, till 1/1/2006. If the abscess flares up, all bets are off and I would definitely not wait and would just have to increase the loan to $6,700. There is NO pain at all, and just the smallest boil at this point. Cephalexin worked for a while, and I really want to know if cat cephalexin is different from human cephalexin, which did quiet the abscess down for 3 months. The canal had a root canal about 20 years ago, apparently old-fashioned style work my present dentist thought was awful. It only flared up this year, after the tooth above it had a hard porcelain filling put in, which put pressure on the lower tooth. It is closed w/ a crown. I think a lot of this is genetic as I do take good care of my teeth and remember being 5 years old and thinking that one had no teeth after about 50, because all I saw in my family was dentures! >I am a she, anyway. Miracatto would be a "he" but this is Miracatta. >I have four cats but am married to a human who would hit the roof if he >knew I was self-treating the problem. >I will have insurance reinstated 1/1/2006. I may well look into Mexican >dentistry even then, as I live near enough to the border and will >probably max out next year's, too. Bring food AND water ...... >All I want is to tread water, if possible, till 1/1/2006. If the >abscess flares up, all bets are off and I would definitely not wait and >would just have to increase the loan to $6,700. There is NO pain at >all, and just the smallest boil at this point. One word of advice ...... SUCK ...... literally. You can draw out infection that way. Joel >Cephalexin worked for a while, and I really want to know if cat >cephalexin is different from human cephalexin, which did quiet the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >remember being 5 years old and thinking that one had no teeth after >about 50, because all I saw in my family was dentures! I've had my teeth done overseas several times while on vacation. You just have to know how to pick them. Go for a general checkup first and check out if the place is professional and clean. Pick a place where they have a team of dentist and not just some guy working in his house. If it were me, I'd pick a foreign professional dentist who has done this type of stuff for years, than going to dental school and have those kids use my teeth for practice. > If it were me, I'd pick a foreign professional dentist who has done > this type of stuff for years, than going to dental school and have > those kids use my teeth for practice. All things considered, it's hard for me to understand why dental schools don't have to pay people to let the kids loose on their teeth. David >> If it were me, I'd pick a foreign professional dentist who has done >> this type of stuff for years, than going to dental school and have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >David They do pay people ...... didn't you get yours? Joel Hate to be the odd one out, but "those kids" in dental school do their best for perfection as they are working to be graded, and that is more important than money. Gail > > If it were me, I'd pick a foreign professional dentist who has done > > this type of stuff for years, than going to dental school and have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > David I went to Ohio State Univ and had a root canal done there about 30 years ago by the "kids." First of all, a professor supervises every move and signs off on the work. That's one reason I'm leaning toward a dental school again. They did a great job. A real dummy will be sent off to do something else, like the one who thought my swollen jaw was "cancer of the jaw", which he announced in a loud voice. The dental school's reputation is at stake, and a few too many disasters and they are in trouble, unlike some dentist's private offices. >> If it were me, I'd pick a foreign professional dentist who has done >> this type of stuff for years, than going to dental school and have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >David You don't have any idea how much dental materials cost, do you ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>All things considered, it's hard for me to understand why >>dental schools don't have to pay people to let the kids [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > W_B Not to mention building, operating, and maintaining a clinic that large! The production by each student is also quite low. It is not nearly as efficient delivering dental treatment as a private office. With the level of their fees, I don't see any way that a dental school would break even in the clinic. Dartos > I don't see any way that a dental school > would break even in the clinic. Ours did for many years. Actually was the only college on that campus breaking even. Signature/ Amatus / > >>>All things considered, it's hard for me to understand why [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Dartos I'm impressed (really, I mean it). Dartos >>I don't see any way that a dental school >>would break even in the clinic. > > Ours did for many years. Actually was the only college on that campus > breaking even. > I'm impressed (really, I mean it). The funny part is that the University sold out the campus grounds the DS was located on. We are forced to move to a new location now. The 7 year old state of the art building is a throw-away. Signature/ Amatus / > > I'm impressed (really, I mean it). [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Ours did for many years. Actually was the only college on that campus >> breaking even. >>>All things considered, it's hard for me to understand why >>>dental schools don't have to pay people to let the kids [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Dartos Now I'm confused. The dental school that is presumably paid for by the tuitions of the students, doesn't cover the expenses of the building? In some cases, it seems that the dental schools charge as much as a for profit clinic, which covers building, materials, and presumably the staff at competitive wages. They are expected to operate with a modicum of efficiency, and not leave the patient sitting around with his mouth open while waiting for the teacher to come by and discuss the next thing the student is going to do, or un-do. My wife went to a dental school, and it was disastrous to her teeth, and very painful. I've heard at least as many horror stories as I have accolades, when it comes to dental schools. David > My wife went to a dental school, and it was disastrous to her teeth, > and very painful. I've heard at least as many horror stories as I have > accolades, when it comes to dental schools. > > David So what happens to these kids that perform the horror stories. Do they graduate and become horror dentists or simply acquire a new title, "He is a good dentist" or are they failed out of dentistry. Gail >So what happens to these kids that perform the horror stories. Do they >graduate and become horror dentists or simply acquire a new title, "He is a >good dentist" or are they failed out of dentistry. They do graduate work and become periodontists;) >>So what happens to these kids that perform the horror stories. Do they >>graduate and become horror dentists or simply acquire a new title, "He is >>a >>good dentist" or are they failed out of dentistry. > > They do graduate work and become periodontists;) Ouch > >>So what happens to these kids that perform the horror stories. Do they > >>graduate and become horror dentists or simply acquire a new title, "He is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > Ouch No kidding! You are mean (but funny)!!! T >>So what happens to these kids that perform the horror stories. Do they >>graduate and become horror dentists or simply acquire a new title, "He is a >>good dentist" or are they failed out of dentistry. > >They do graduate work and become periodontists;) Gee, and I thought they wen t on to teaching positions in the dental schools. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >I've had my teeth done overseas several times while on vacation. You >just have to know how to pick them. Ahhh, you and Kenny Rogers ........ > Go for a general checkup first and >check out if the place is professional and clean. Pick a place where >they have a team of dentist and not just some guy working in his house. True ...... >If it were me, I'd pick a foreign professional dentist who has done >this type of stuff for years, than going to dental school and have >those kids use my teeth for practice. Probably ...... >I've had my teeth done overseas several times while on vacation. You >just have to know how to pick them. Go for a general checkup first and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >this type of stuff for years, than going to dental school and have >those kids use my teeth for practice. Particularly for something as intricate as a root canal. I'm not defending dental school clinics. I do not see much of their work. This summer, I retreated a root canal that was done by a dentist with years of experience. He had no instructor checking his work and his years of treating teeth had not helped him to learn how to do a decent root canal. The tooth was a lower molar with four canals. He had put one silver point in the mesial root (silver points are not very good for filling root canals) and one gutta percha cone in the distal root. No way in the world that this would have gotten out of a dental school clinic. Dartos >>If it were me, I'd pick a foreign professional dentist who has done >>this type of stuff for years, than going to dental school and have >>those kids use my teeth for practice. > > Particularly for something as intricate as a root canal. > No way in the world that this would have gotten out of a dental > school clinic. I have a patient I am trying to convince to have a RCT done over. He balked at the cost of the RCT a few years back, and had a dentist do it in the "old country" on one of his trips back there. They did a PFM as well while he was there (tooth #31). Well the RCT looks like a collection of vermicelli in the pulp chamber with one thin strand of what appears to be gutta percha in each of the 3 canals. You can see radioluscency down the walls of each canal--as there is no real obturation. The abscess under the root tips grows bigger every 6 months. The PFM has such lousy margins that I can shove a perio probe under the mesial margin right to the center of the pulp chamber. Remember that this treatment is 3-4 years old. I ask him to at least go back "home" and let the guy who did it re-do it if he is not going to let me do it. Unfortunately, it does not hurt, so he does not see the value in it. Once it does start to hurt, who knows what our options will be. Signature/ Amatus / > > I'm not defending dental school clinics. I do not see much [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >> Particularly for something as intricate as a root canal. >> No way in the world that this would have gotten out of a dental >> school clinic. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >value in it. Once it does start to hurt, who knows what our options will >be. Extraction once it becomes an endo-perio leision. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Extraction once it becomes an endo-perio elision. Also, the IAN is only about 4 mm below the present abscess (radiographically). I pointed this out to him and documented in my notes. Signature/ Amatus / > >>> No way in the world that this would have gotten out of a dental [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> Extraction once it becomes an endo-perio elision. > >Also, the IAN is only about 4 mm below the present abscess >(radiographically). I pointed this out to him and documented in my notes. Usually the wall of the IAN canal is dense cortical like bone. Unlikely the infection will penetrate the canal. Path of least resistance and all that. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Usually the wall of the IAN canal is dense cortical like bone. > Unlikely the infection will penetrate the canal. > Path of least resistance and all that. Usually Signature/ Amatus / > >>> Extraction once it becomes an endo-perio elision. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> Usually the wall of the IAN canal is dense cortical like bone. >> Unlikely the infection will penetrate the canal. >> Path of least resistance and all that. > >Usually Hence my use of the key word first in the first sentence ;-)) -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com At our local study group meeting this month, one of the guys brought in a lower second molar with a cementoma on the roots. The cementoma had a very irregular, nodular appearance except where it wrapped half way around the IAN. It formed a perfect little 'half pipe' in the lesion in that area. He also brought in the radiograph that had prompted him to refer this case to the OS. Dartos >>>Usually the wall of the IAN canal is dense cortical like bone. >>>Unlikely the infection will penetrate the canal. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Kewl, certainly a case for the OS. Saw a true cementoma a couple of yeas ago that Dr. Endo showed me. This one was very large and may have required considerable resection of the mandible. Don't know the out come of this case but will try to find out. >At our local study group meeting this month, one of the guys brought in >a lower second molar with a cementoma on the roots. The cementoma had [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> Take out the G'RBAGE >> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >I am a she, anyway. Miracatto would be a "he" but this is Miracatta. >I have four cats but am married to a human who would hit the roof if he [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >cephalexin is different from human cephalexin, which did quiet the >abscess down for 3 months. It's up to you, but can't you work something out w/ your dentist rather than take cat drugs? (Is it the same drug?sounds like yes, but I dunno) I personally would not want to mess around with an abcess for five months. I would rather find a local dentist to do the root canal, have the tooth out for $98, go south of the border, anything but have an infection for half a year... although if it is very slight maybe you can get by...up to you. believe it or not, you are not the first to ask about pet drugs ... I recall another poster inquiring about fish drugs(!) because her dentist was unavailable, not returning her calls. >The canal had a root canal about 20 years ago, apparently old-fashioned >style work my present dentist thought was awful. It only flared up this >year, after the tooth above it had a hard porcelain filling put in, >which put pressure on the lower tooth. Why is the new filling putting pressure on the lower tooth? Does the new filling need to be filed down a bit? > It is closed w/ a crown. >I think a lot of this is genetic as I do take good care of my teeth and >remember being 5 years old and thinking that one had no teeth after >about 50, because all I saw in my family was dentures! Proper care at a very early age makes the difference, and continuing for life. Getting the carohydrates particularly sugar off the tooth surfaces within a half hour or so of putting them there ... flossing at the end of every day, eating a lot of seafood, vegeatables, oranges. >Are you far from the border? Why not get it done in Mexico? There are >great dentists over there. Bring your own food ....... >>Are you far from the border? Why not get it done in Mexico? There are >>great dentists over there. > >Bring your own food ....... ...and water. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>Are you far from the border? Why not get it done in Mexico? There are >>great dentists over there. > >Bring your own food ....... No food in Mexico? Not even in the hotels? No red snapper Veracruzana and heuvos rancheros anymore? >>>Are you far from the border? Why not get it done in Mexico? There are >>>great dentists over there. >> >>Bring your own food ....... > >No food in Mexico? Not even in the hotels? Actually, there IS food in Mexico ...... they cook up all the chalupas for Taco Bell down there and whisk them across the border ..... >No red snapper Veracruzana and heuvos rancheros anymore? >Actually, there IS food in Mexico ...... they cook up all the chalupas >for Taco Bell down there and whisk them across the border ..... La comida Mexicana es muy bien, senior. For instance, some of the food in smaller hotels on the Pacific coast along the Bay of Banderas is great. Not at all like Taco Bell. http://www.virtualvallarta.com/vallarta/information/definitions/banderasbay.html I've been all around here too, on the Carribean side. The attractions are the beautiful beaches, and Las Ruinas, the ancient Mayan pyramids. (If anyone is in the mood for a virtual trip.) http://www.mexperience.com/guide/archaeology/tulum.htm http://www.mexperience.com/guide/archaeology/palenque.htm "Words and pictures alone cannot describe the impressive impact this place leaves upon you." ~~ Probably true. . >>No red snapper Veracruzana and huevos rancheros anymore? >Actually, there IS food in Mexico ...... they cook up all the chalupas >for Taco Bell down there and whisk them across the border ..... Exactly...Thanks to NAFTA. >>No red snapper Veracruzana and heuvos rancheros anymore? H I don't know too much about root canal etc. but I did meet a guy thi year called Dr Thomas E Levy who told me never to have a root cana filling as they can become toxic, he also recommended vitamin therapy as it bolsters the immune system to fight off infections an produce collagen for wound healing. He recommended a non acidic for (sodium ascorbate) as opposed to ascorbic acid (as the acidity ca erode enamel) do a search in google for vitamin c therapy dentist Regard Stev Oh Great! Another alchemist. Signature/ Amatus / > Hi > I don't know too much about root canal etc. but I did meet a guy this [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Regards > Steve >Are you far from the border? Why not get it done in Mexico? There are >great dentists over there. Not ! -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >please advise what to do till I can afford the root canal, which I >probably need. Thank you. Ask the doc to open & medicate the tooth. Tooth problems respond best to dental treatment. Antibiotics will not cure the disease in teeth. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com That was done in August. Now, he refuses to do it again and insists that the next step has to be root canal. So I won't get any help from him till I can afford the root canal. I finally decided to lose the idea of the antibiotics because: obviously the infection is just lurking, albeit very mildly. But, how resistant are the lurking bacteria? Better to avoid a scenario where the few remaining bacteria are the ones that cause the infection to flare up and are ALSO resistant by this time. Right now I'm just keeping a close eye on it and am going to find a less rigid dentist if I have to go, or just go over to UCLA dental school, which is literally 3 blocks away. >That was done in August. Now, he refuses to do it again and insists >that the next step has to be root canal. What was your tooth medicated with ? I prefer Calcium Hydroxide. Can be left in for 3 - 12 months. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Right now I'm just keeping a close eye on it and am going to find a less rigid dentist if I have to go, or just go over to UCLA dental school, which is literally 3 blocks away. ______________________________ The root canals done at the UCLA school are carefully checked by experienced endodontists. How can anyone afford to live in Westwood?? Big bucks! If you paid rent in the Valley instead of in Westwood, the difference might go a long way to paying for the dental treatment. - dentaldoc > Right now I'm just keeping a close eye on it and am going to find a > less rigid dentist if I have to go, or just go over to UCLA dental [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - dentaldoc was away for awhile. Dental problem is chugging right along, not getting worse. What made you think I LIVE in Westwood. I have news for you, jerk. The mortgage I pay at this point is way LESS than any rent anywhere in the greater L.A.-Valley area. So there. There are UCLA clinics of all sorts all over the Los Angeles area, not only at UCLA itself. Check your facts before you make stoopit judgements. >>please advise what to do till I can afford the root canal, which I >>probably need. Thank you. > >Ask the doc to open & medicate the tooth. I suggest you transcend dental medication ...... Om Shanti. Koel >Tooth problems respond best to dental treatment. >Antibiotics will not cure the disease in teeth.
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