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Steven Bornfeld - 14 Oct 2005 16:05 GMT http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/159572/
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Bill - 14 Oct 2005 17:50 GMT http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/159572/ __________________________
Wow. He's really good!
- dentaldoc
Steven Bornfeld - 14 Oct 2005 18:07 GMT > http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/159572/ > __________________________ > > Wow. He's really good! > > - dentaldoc The link, posted at rec.music.classical.guitar a couple of months ago, prompted this response from Aryeh Eller, a fine guitarist here in New York:
Yes it's pretty amazing and so musical!
He phrases the melody so beautifully and puts so much feeling & heart into it - I think Kent would say JW has much to learn from this video ;-)
Anyway he's not just some ordinary kid in the park, he's Jake Shimabukuro , an acknowledged ukelele master, check out his website with samples from his CD's - There's one astonishing track of him playing Paganini's 24th Caprice with harmonics!
He's the Bela Fleck of the ukelele!
http://www.jakeshimabukuro.com/english/top.html#
http://www.jakeshimabukuro.com/english/biography/biography.html
He's got some more videos there too.
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W_B - 17 Oct 2005 15:38 GMT >Anyway he's not just some ordinary kid in the park, he's Jake >Shimabukuro , an acknowledged ukelele master, I've heard of this guy.
With a dial-up,just don't do vids anymore. --
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somebody - 17 Oct 2005 15:41 GMT Do any of you play eukalali (sp) ? I mean the instrument that Tiny Tim played.. Do any of you play that instrument?
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Oct 2005 17:02 GMT > Do any of you play eukalali (sp) ? > I mean the instrument that Tiny Tim played.. > Do any of you play that instrument? No. My brother does have custody of an early 20th century Gibson "A" style mandolin. I tried briefly to play it maybe 30 years ago. Also briefly tried tenor banjo, but as I wasn't in any barbershop quartets I gave it up. Ukelele in the hands of someone like Shimabukuro is a real instrument, though how common this kind of virtuoso solo playing is (not merely as strummed vocal accompaniment) I don't know.
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Amatus Cremona - 17 Oct 2005 18:26 GMT > My brother does have custody of an early 20th century Gibson "A" style > mandolin. I tried briefly to play it maybe 30 years ago. An old "bowl" shaped mandolin would be fun to learn how to play. Lots of old folk tunes from the _Old-Country_ sound good on that instrument. I check eBay from time to time, but most of the vintage mandolins have separated seams on the back, cracked necks, messed up peg-boxes, etc. I would hate to invest in a risky eBay purchase, then spend hundreds on a luthier to put it right.
A mandolin tunes the same as my "precious". So, it would easier to jump over to than a guitar. Might be a good project for next summer. Right now, my music teacher is trying to make sure I don't get any free time. If I tell her an etude she had me practice was _easy_, I have to perform that piece perfectly for her, and then get 2-3x more assignments to learn for the next time.
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> >> Do any of you play eukalali (sp) ? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Steve Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Oct 2005 18:56 GMT > An old "bowl" shaped mandolin would be fun to learn how to play. Lots of > old folk tunes from the _Old-Country_ sound good on that instrument. I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > piece perfectly for her, and then get 2-3x more assignments to learn for the > next time. This is one of the stories that could make you sick. When my mom was alive they went to a lot of estate sales, tag sales, flea markets. The mandolin they got for $35, maybe about the early 1970s. It does have a top crack that could be easily repaired. The neck is fine. I should convince my brother to sell it. I'm friendly with the fine guitarist Andrew Schulman. He performs around the country with his Abaca String band. They have (among other musicians) a woman named Tamara Volskaya who plays domra (Russian mandolin). She is phenomenal.
http://www.abacaproductions.com/stringband_bio.shtml
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Amatus Cremona - 17 Oct 2005 19:11 GMT > This is one of the stories that could make you sick. When my mom was > alive they went to a lot of estate sales, tag sales, flea markets. The > mandolin they got for $35, maybe about the early 1970s. After the violin and bows I was recently "gifted", I don't feel I have room to complain about missing out on good deals. The more I play the "free" violin the richer its sound becomes. I have a set of Thomastik synthetic core strings on it right now. It is almost too loud to play in a small room.
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> >> An old "bowl" shaped mandolin would be fun to learn how to play. Lots of [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Steve Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Oct 2005 19:44 GMT > After the violin and bows I was recently "gifted", I don't feel I have room > to complain about missing out on good deals. The more I play the "free" > violin the richer its sound becomes. I have a set of Thomastik synthetic > core strings on it right now. It is almost too loud to play in a small > room. I don't know much about guitar string technology, and nothing about other stringed instruments. Apparently gut strings are still available for guitar, but the vast majority of classical guitars use nylon strings. That is, nylon monofilament 1st 2nd and 3rd strings, and multifilament nylon wrapped with bronze or phosphor bronze 4th, 5th and 6th strings. "Steel string" guitars usually have unwrapped 1st and 2nd strings only; 3rd thru 6th strings are wrapped, usually in bronze. The big problems with classical guitars (for reasons I don't understand) have always been with the 3rd or "G" string--both tone and intonation. D'Addario (and probably other string manufacturers as well) have come up with so-called "composite" sets--actually, the third string is the only one made of a different polymer. In fact, D'Addario includes a standard G string of nylon along with the composite in some of their sets. Steel strings have recently been developed with some kind of polymeric coating to counteract el corrodo fingers:
http://www.elixirstrings.com/home_faq_createdequal.html
These strings are extraordinarily long-lasting, but some players don't like the feel. They are also extremely bright in tone, which doesn't work on all guitars. I'm assuming that similar technologies are coming into violin strings. I know that Thomastik makes guitar strings too, though I have zero experience with them.
Steve
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W_B - 17 Oct 2005 20:44 GMT > "Steel string" guitars usually have unwrapped 1st and 2nd strings only; >3rd thru 6th strings are wrapped, usually in bronze. I prefer a plain 3rd on my electrics.
> The big problems with classical guitars (for reasons I don't >understand) have always been with the 3rd or "G" string--both tone and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >includes a standard G string of nylon along with the composite in some >of their sets. I like D'Addario strings too. Nor sure how to pronounce it though.
The guys in the music store say Dee Addario --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Oct 2005 21:35 GMT >> "Steel string" guitars usually have unwrapped 1st and 2nd strings only; >>3rd thru 6th strings are wrapped, usually in bronze. > > I prefer a plain 3rd on my electrics. Ha--what little I know. It's been a long time, but I'm sure even I have seen unwrapped 3rd steel strings--just not on an acoustic.
>> The big problems with classical guitars (for reasons I don't >>understand) have always been with the 3rd or "G" string--both tone and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The guys in the music store say Dee Addario I say duh-DAR-ee-oh.
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> -- > > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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W_B - 17 Oct 2005 21:43 GMT >>> "Steel string" guitars usually have unwrapped 1st and 2nd strings only; >>>3rd thru 6th strings are wrapped, usually in bronze. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ha--what little I know. It's been a long time, but I'm sure even I >have seen unwrapped 3rd steel strings--just not on an acoustic.
>> I like D'Addario strings too. >> Nor sure how to pronounce it though. >> >> The guys in the music store say Dee Addario > >I say duh-DAR-ee-oh. That's probably the correct pronouciation.
Us hillbillys dawn here jus doan know nuttin'. --
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Amatus Cremona - 17 Oct 2005 21:57 GMT > I like D'Addario strings too. > Nor sure how to pronounce it though. > > The guys in the music store say Dee Addario At the store, you need to talk like they do, or they will not know what you want.
The "D" is probably a contraction of Del. In a last name, this often originally meant "son of". Normally, the pronunciation would almost make one word out of the contraction. d'ad-dar-ee-o. You almost have a pause after the first D, but not quite. Sort of like the Southern way of pronouncing a single vowel with two syllables.
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> >> "Steel string" guitars usually have unwrapped 1st and 2nd strings only; [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Amatus Cremona - 17 Oct 2005 21:40 GMT > The big problems with classical guitars (for reasons I don't understand) > have always been with the 3rd or "G" string--both tone and intonation. > D'Addario (and probably other string manufacturers as well) have come up > with so-called "composite" sets--actually, the third string is the only > one made of a different polymer. In fact, D'Addario includes a standard G > string of nylon along with the composite in some of their sets. D'Addario makes nice violin stings as well. They are a nice balance of cost vs tone. They seem to hold their tone for a long time of use as well. This "free" violin is so loud and such nice voice, that I decided to try some really good strings (despite their shorter life).
If the guitar has difficulty with the deeper notes, I would be thinking along the lines of harmonic vibrations through the top of the instrument. We tune the heavier tones by varying the thickness of the bridge (to impart more or less vibration to the instrument top, by moving the sound post (to increase or decrease the vibration of the instrument top on the "treble" side. And, a good luthier can open the instrument and change the bass bar under the bass side of the bridge to effect deeper tones. Guitars don't have all the same features for luthier-type tuning of the instrument itself, so I don't know enough to have an opinion.
The new Thomastik strings are taking a few days to stretch out fully. It took 4 days for them to stop going out of tune ten minutes into a practice session. I found I had to keep tightening them every ten minutes. I suppose those softer cores change the characteristics of the string.
I assume guitar strings come in a variety of "tensions" ?
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>> >> After the violin and bows I was recently "gifted", I don't feel I have [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Steve Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Oct 2005 22:03 GMT >>The big problems with classical guitars (for reasons I don't understand) >>have always been with the 3rd or "G" string--both tone and intonation. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I assume guitar strings come in a variety of "tensions" ? Yes--classical strings are usually graded by tension, steel acoustic as light/medium/heavy. Guitar bridges are often "compensated", esp. the second "B" string. It has something to do with compensating for temperament, but technical discussions about temperament tend to make my eyes roll back in my head. Guitar bridges and bridge saddle material is a big topic, but I'm not terribly well informed. While some luthiers and players play around with saddle material and placement, most of the talk on acoustic guitar newsgroups is much more about top bracing patterns, qualities of various woods (mostly top woods of various types of cedar or spruce). I don't even want to go into discussions about why violins get better and better, while guitars tend to fall apart in 50 years or so! ;-)
Steve
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Amatus Cremona - 17 Oct 2005 22:18 GMT > I don't even want to go into discussions about why violins get better and > better, while guitars tend to fall apart in 50 years or so! ;-) Well that "free" violin I recently acquired is probably between 60-80 years old. It is NOT a "name label" violin. It only has the generic _Copy of Antonius Stradavarius blah blah blah_ label in it. No maker's label at all. So, it is probably a mass produced violin that was of moderate value when new. Now that the wood has aged as much as it has, it has much more tone, timber and voice than it ever had when new. I may take it over to my sister's house to compare it to the old Roth violin we all played on as children. That instrument was a medium quality mass produced instrument (made in 1952) that has become very collectible due to how well they have matured in tonal qualities. What was the common "student" instrument of the 50's and 60's has now evolved into a desirable instrument for advanced players.
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> >>>The big problems with classical guitars (for reasons I don't understand) [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Steve Joel M. Eichen - 18 Oct 2005 02:59 GMT >> My brother does have custody of an early 20th century Gibson "A" style >> mandolin. I tried briefly to play it maybe 30 years ago. > >An old "bowl" shaped mandolin would be fun to learn how to play. His brother was in barber school and used it for haircuts .....
> Lots of >old folk tunes from the _Old-Country_ sound good on that instrument. I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >piece perfectly for her, and then get 2-3x more assignments to learn for the >next time. Joel M. Eichen - 18 Oct 2005 02:58 GMT >Do any of you play eukalali (sp) ? That is the right spelling .... When Arthur Godfrey played it, it was called ukulele
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/A/htmlA/arthurgodfre/arthurgodfre.htm
>I mean the instrument that Tiny Tim played.. >Do any of you play that instrument? Amatus Cremona - 15 Oct 2005 19:41 GMT >http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/159572/ very nice ! ..
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Dartos - 17 Oct 2005 14:18 GMT Just think what it would sound like if he was using a 'real' guitar!
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>>http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/159572/ > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > . Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Oct 2005 16:58 GMT > Just think what it would sound like if he was > using a 'real' guitar! > > Dartos Oh, I think you got him mad now!!
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>>> http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/159572/ >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> .
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Dartos - 17 Oct 2005 17:50 GMT Should'a used a smiley? <G> Dartos
>> Just think what it would sound like if he was >> using a 'real' guitar! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>> >>> .
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