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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / October 2005Running 2 displays from one computer in operatory
I'm looking to purchase a new computer for the operatory and need to display educational and intraoral camera on the chair mounted screen for the patient and practice management type program info on the doctor/assistant monitor behind the chair. How is this accomplished? Right now I use two outputs on a laptop to run the monitors, but they both display the same info. Thanks- -- I got teeth > I'm looking to purchase a new computer for the operatory and need to > display [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a > laptop to run the monitors, but they both display the same info. Lap-Top ? Why not put all the data in front of the patient ?  Signature/ Amatus / > I'm looking to purchase a new computer for the operatory and need to > display [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > I got teeth >> I'm looking to purchase a new computer for the operatory and need to >> display [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> on a >> laptop to run the monitors, but they both display the same info. Many laptops are already set up to handle two screens. By default they usually show the same image on both screens, but there are often settings to allow the second screen to be an extension of the screen area. Then all you have to do is put the windows you want the doctor/assistant on the main laptop screen and drag the windows that you want the patient to see onto the other screen. Most desk top computers do not come with this capability, but you can either replace the video card with one that can handle two monitors, or add an additional video card to drive the second screen. Sometimes video display card will use what is known as an "overlay mode" to display a DVD or other moving video. Perhaps your intraoral camera would be treated this way. I have seen systems where the video shows up fine on the first screen, but it goes away as soon as you drag that window onto the other screen. I hope this is more useful to you than the information I got from this group when I had a dental question. David Dual Monitor Video Cards.. http://www.superwarehouse.com/Dual_Monitor_Video_Cards/c3/1884 $60 to $1500 > Many laptops are already set up to handle two screens. > By default they usually show the same image on both screens, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > screen and drag the windows that you want the patient to see > onto the other screen. I agree fully, However, running a dental office network through a lap-top has many disadvantages. Hiding information behind the patient has many more disadvantages. Signature/ Amatus / > >>> I'm looking to purchase a new computer for the operatory and need to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > David Its not that I want to hide relevant information, just that I do not want to expose other practice management information in front of the patient in the chair, i.e. other patient names, phone numbers, SS#, scheduling screens > > Many laptops are already set up to handle two screens. > > By default they usually show the same image on both screens, [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > > > David > Its not that I want to hide relevant information, just that I do not want > to > expose other practice management information in front of the patient in > the > chair, i.e. other patient names, phone numbers, SS#, scheduling screens You may run your office differently than I do. We never have any information on the monitor in the operatory except that which pertains to the patient in the chair. If we are scrolling through the scheduler looking for an appointment at the chairside, we simply have selected a font which cannot be read from four feet away. The patient in the chair can only see the colored blocks. IF you are worried about patients using the keyboard and mouse while you are out of the room (I do not think you are worried about this), you just password protect the screen. I cannot think of any situation where we ever access any other patient on the treatment room computer except the one in the chair, with the possible exception of children of the patient (if this patient is the legal guardian and responsible for their account and dental care). This is just my opinion (you are allowed to disagree); I think you should never have a monitor in the treatment room where the patient cannot see it. If you do, some patients will think you are keeping secrets and go through all sorts of efforts to find out what you have written about them. Especially in cases where the healing does not go as expected, having the full record in front of the patient, tends to set their minds at ease. We have a PC in the Hallway (off to one side), next to a telephone, where the clinical staff can access data out direct sight of other patients. Do you recognize the potential problems of using a lap-top to hold your clinical data ? Signature/ Amatus / > Its not that I want to hide relevant information, just that I do not want > to [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >> > >> > David David wrote: I hope this is more useful to you than the information I got from this group when I had a dental question. David ________________________ Generally, what I have seen on this newsgroup is that genuine dental informational and clinical questions get serious answers. Oddball or inappropriate questions tend to get oddball answers. And what was your dental question? - dentaldoc > David wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - dentaldoc Perhaps I qualify for that. It was really more of a rant than a question. The subject line was "Why not put denture teeth on the ridge?" I've been wearing uppers since 1987 and lowers for several years, so I'm not new to dentures. All along I was telling the dentist that first and foremost I wanted "a good set of tools for eating". Then at the next to last try-in of the wax I find that the uppers are much further forward than I wanted, and the lowers were even worse, plus there is no way to get the front teeth together to bite anything off. He said it has to be that way because it is the rule, and that front teeth aren't intended for biting, they are just for looks (he's a teacher at a New England school). So I come back for the second wax try-in. and the lowers look even further forward than before. It's the best he could do with my jaw, but it looked like it wasn't even going to be as good as what I'm wearing. I eventually agreed to give them a try, but then called back the same day to tell him to hold off. while I reconsider (I got the answering machine) He called me several days later to tell me that they were already set to plastic, and we couldn't stop them now. So I said I would give them a try. When I get there to try them, he slips into the back and has his secretary demand that we pay the remaining $1400 before I can see the teeth. I figured that he knew that I wouldn't be happy once he saw what the tech had done, so he wanted his money up front. We left with nothing. He has $2800 of my money, I have nothing. He wanted another $1400 for something he knew would be useless to me. He still has my bar that was provided by the surgeon that put in the staple. It has been a huge headache. In fact I wound up in the emergency room because I still had the headache 3 days later. The doctor felt it was stress related. Coincidence? I think not. He doesn't answer our calls now. I'm not a happy camper. If you want more background, you can look up the original thread."Why not put denture teeth on the ridge?" David >> David wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > David Minor point left out. After I had the surgeon > Minor point left out. > > After I had the surgeon Oops, I did it again. (sending the post prior to finishing it) Once the surgeon put in the staple and removed the last 3 teeth in my mouth. I had this dentist make a new lower. The one he made actually does work, but then the teeth are only slightly forward of the location of the bar. The biggest problem with the lower is that they were made to match my previous upper, but the teeth are off center by a half tooth's width (as compared to the upper it was to have matched). David I think that explains it pretty well, thanks. It is true that my laptop can display differnet screens on the two displays ( the laptop plus the patient, chair mounted display). The key is now to find the appropriate graphics card for displaying two different displays. > >> I'm looking to purchase a new computer for the operatory and need to > >> display [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > David >I think that explains it pretty well, thanks. It is true that my laptop can > display different screens on the two displays ( the laptop plus the > patient, > chair mounted display). The key is now to find the appropriate graphics > card > for displaying two different displays. Your IT technician should be able to set that up easily for you. I still suggest you consider installing the video card in a desk-top (style) PC, and take the lap-top home. Signature/ Amatus / >I think that explains it pretty well, thanks. It is true that my laptop can > display differnet screens on the two displays ( the laptop plus the [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >> David Yes, I agree and I am looking into getting a tower type PC so that it allows for for configuration flexibility. Even though I purchased a very nice Dell laptop and have been using it with pretty good success to run a usb Sunicam, play music and DVDs and to access patient info with Eaglesoft, I need more graphical power because the laptop just can't keep up sometimes and I can't stand the choppiness it creates on the screen. It seems that the choice of video card it very important, more than any other part of the PC. Before I decide on that though, I need top choose a digital radiograph system to incorporate into Eaglesoft as well as a non-usb intraoral camera (for a better looking picture than the Sunicam). So, I need a video card that supports 2 displays and has s-video and RCA inputs (for the new non-usb camera) and that will work with whatever digital sensors I decide on!? > >I think that explains it pretty well, thanks. It is true that my laptop can > > display different screens on the two displays ( the laptop plus the [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >> > >> David > Yes, I agree and I am looking into getting a tower type PC so that it > allows > for configuration flexibility. Trust me when I tell you to follow the software vendors spec sheet precisely when buying any hardware. Signature/ Amatus / > Yes, I agree and I am looking into getting a tower type PC so that it > allows [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >> >> >> >> David >> Yes, I agree and I am looking into getting a tower type PC so that it >> allows >> for configuration flexibility. > >Trust me when I tell you to follow the software vendors spec sheet precisely >when buying any hardware. And I say that is bogus. Simply an excuse for lazy software vendors. Stick with the major chipsets and you should be allright. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > And I say that is bogus. > Simply an excuse for lazy software vendors. I know how W_B feels about this, but trust me you need to follow the spec sheet if you want support. Signature/ Amatus / > >>> Yes, I agree and I am looking into getting a tower type PC so that it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> And I say that is bogus. >> Simply an excuse for lazy software vendors. > >I know how W_B feels about this, but trust me you need to follow the spec >sheet if you want support. The way I see it is if most Windoze flavors have a driver for the V-card then software vendors can aquire a driver easily too. The latest/greatest V-cards come pre-packaged with the newest drivers for that particular card. If it runs on Windoze then the PMS should interface seamlessly too. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>> Yes, I agree and I am looking into getting a tower type PC so that it >>> allows [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > W_B Are you saying it bogus in medical equipment, or bogus in general? I'm in the video production biz, and for us that is very good advice. We use specialized video hardware to editing and graphics. This sort of equipment is always designed at the cutting edge and often uses the computer at it's max. Small incompatibilities can turn into big problems. These folks are selling hardware. As far as the bean counters are concerned, the software doesn't make them a dime, but the cost can be infinite. They would rather put their money into designing the next product than jump through hoops on hardware they already sold. If you buy one of the systems that the support people have available on their bench, you will have a much better chance of helping you, and even better, you may not even need help. It's all in the number of units they can sell. If it is a high volume device that sells a 1000 units a week at best buy, you might get real plug and play on any system with decent power. However specialized equipment often sells less than 1000 a year. There is much less budget available for programming the drivers for the hardware they sell. David >>>> Yes, I agree and I am looking into getting a tower type PC so that it >>>> allows [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >David I say it is bogus that the PMS vendors don't support most of the major league v-card chipset manufacturers such as nVidia etc... It should just run ! All good points. Am pretty sure that Eaglesoft, et al are just software packages. IMNSHO these PMS packages are grossly overpriced and should run on just about any system currently available at Best Buy, etc... It is not my understanding that the hardware is bundled with the software. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >I'm looking to purchase a new computer for the operatory and need to display >educational and intraoral camera on the chair mounted screen for the patient >and practice management type program info on the doctor/assistant monitor >behind the chair. How is this accomplished? Right now I use two outputs on a >laptop to run the monitors, but they both display the same info. Sue has an old computer with a broken CPU switch. Anybody interested? Joel >Thanks- |
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