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Dr. Marc Peters - 04 Oct 2005 18:46 GMT
Hi,

my name is Dr. Marc Peters and I am a dentist from Germany. Due to her
job my wife has to move to Great Britain next year and she is still
trying to persuade me to follow her! :-) Since I have no idea, what
working conditions in England are like and what criteria I might have to
match, I would like to know if there are any colleagues from England
around here, who can be of assistance?

Thanks in advance,

Dr. Marc Peters.
George Chatzipetros - 04 Oct 2005 19:13 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Dr. Marc Peters.

If you can find a job in private practice, go for it. If you can't,
stay in Germany and do not even dream of becoming a NHS dentist. You're
signing up for a coronary.

George
george1234 - 05 Oct 2005 17:47 GMT
>If you can find a job in private practice, go for it. If you can't,
>stay in Germany and do not even dream of becoming a NHS dentist. You're
>signing up for a coronary.

Just curious.. why not just start a private practice?

We're not talking a million in capital, I'd expect . a small business
loan for about $300K would cover it.. at least judging by the price
dentists sell practices, complete with client lists, for here in the
US

I could be very wrong on this.
Dr. Marc Peters - 05 Oct 2005 18:40 GMT
george1234 schrieb:

>>If you can find a job in private practice, go for it. If you can't,
>>stay in Germany and do not even dream of becoming a NHS dentist. You're
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>
> I could be very wrong on this.

Perhaps you are right; but I am not that familiar with the British
health-care system, thus I´d rather try to team up with a british
colleague. Especially since it is unknown for how long my wife will stay
 at her new business - maybe 2 years, maybe ten!?
What I would like to know further on, is whether I am allowed to work in
the UK with my German Exam - are there any restrictions, or is it like
in any other European Union - Country? Where do I apply for a
work-permission? At the BDA?

Thanks,

Dr. M. Peters.
George Chatzipetros - 05 Oct 2005 19:43 GMT
Because of the grasp NHS has on dentistry, you can't really start a
private practice and expoect people to show up, except if you're a
specialist and establish a referral practice. You either have to buy an
existing private practice or a NHS one and then slowly convert it to
private.
It is somewhat similar to going fully FFS in the US (dropping all
insurance). Can only be done if the conditions are right.

George
CWatters - 05 Oct 2005 19:00 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> match, I would like to know if there are any colleagues from England
> around here, who can be of assistance?

http://www.gdc-uk.org/
General Dental Council - the organisation which regulates dental
professionals in the UK.  I think you need to call the GDC and ask them for
information.

I'm not a dentist and I live in Belgium now - but I'm English and used NHS
dentists for 40 years. There is quite a shortage of dentists who are
prepared to take on NHS patients - probably because the NHS contracts aren't
very good. I believe that NHS Dentists will soon be paid according to the
number of patients they see.  We are returning to England in a few months
and will be looking to sign up with a private dentist - I'm not convinced an
NHS dentist can do the best work under that kind of pressure - it was bad
before.

I've no direct experience to support this but several people have told me
that German Dentists are well trained and work to a high standard. If you
can find a place in a private place or start your own I'm sure you will do
very well.

What part of the country are you looking at? If you can choose, pick
somewhere where traffic levels are low. In general traffic levels in England
are quite a bit higher than they are here in  Belgium - I'd forgotton how
bad it was in the UK. Try and arrange to live near where you work or where
you can get public transport.

Colin
CWatters - 06 Oct 2005 09:02 GMT
I forgot to mention...

You should seek tax advice before moving to the UK. For example the UK has a
40% Capital gains tax rate (after allowances). How does that compare with
Germany? If you have any assets that are showing a gain it might be worth
working out if it's best to sell them before or after you become UK
resident. For example in the UK your primary residence (your house) is
excempt from Capital Gains Tax. Do you pay tax on house sales in Germany? If
you do then it might be worth waiting until after you move to the UK. Look
into the "Double taxation treaty" between the UK and Germany.
Dr. Marc Peters - 06 Oct 2005 16:03 GMT
CWatters schrieb:
> I forgot to mention...
>
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> you do then it might be worth waiting until after you move to the UK. Look
> into the "Double taxation treaty" between the UK and Germany.

Thanks for the hint! That´s an other very interesting aspect I have not
thought of yet!
Still a lot of research to be done, it seems!

Cheers,

M.P.
 
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