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Considering an implant to replace #10 (long)

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Arklier - 24 Sep 2005 01:54 GMT
Almost 15 years ago, I lost my adult #10 tooth to root absorption after
having braces for three years. They tried pretty much everything to
save it, including a root canal, but it eventually gum tissue started
to grow into a hole that had formed in the side of the root, and the
whole visible area of the tooth turned pink and then black. So it had
to be pulled. My parents and I discussed having an implant or bridge
done back then, but at the time I was a minor and they could only
afford a retainer with a fake tooth on it. I hated that thing and
eventually stopped wearing it.

Fast forward to now. I'm 30 and all the rest of my teeth are healthy,
save for a little yellowness and a tiny bit of gum recession on the
bottom incisors. I had my teeth cleaned last week, and under pressure
from my mom I asked my dentist about what they could do to fill the
hole. It also bothers me because it is visible when I talk or smile and
I don't want to keep looking like a hockey player. The dentist
recommended either a bridge or an implant.

I don't want to get a bridge, since they would have to file off or
dissolve parts of the surrounding teeth to mount it (including one or
two of my bottom teeth due to my close bite), and #9 and #11 have no
problems. Also, I've heard that teeth that have been reduced for
mounting bridges have a significant chance of needing a root canal done
on one or both at some point in the future, and after the failure of my
previous root canal I want to avoid that if possible. That leaves an
implant.

I went to see the periodontist that my dentist recommended this morning
with some X-rays that were taken the week before when I had my teeth
cleaned. He looked over the X-rays, took an impression of the upper set
of teeth, and also took lots of pictures. Apparently there's not enough
bone left to mount the post for an implant, which means I'll have to
have a bone graft done. One of the other peculiarities of my mouth is
that I have huge tori maxilaris/mandibularis on the outside that run
from the premolars to the last molars. He thinks that we might be able
to harvest some bone there and use it to build up the area over where
the implant will be. Otherwise they'll have to use bank bone, which
will be quite a lot more expensive and have less of a chance of the
graft being successful. The periodontist says he doesn't want to do a
graft from my chin because it sometimes causes people numbness in the
lower jaw, and I'd rather not have it harvested from the hip if I can
help it.

They estimated the cost at around $5,600 if they have to use the bank
bone. That covers the surgery for the bone graft with materials, and
the later surgery to mount the post after the graft has had time to
grow in. The crown is made up seperately by my normal dentist and will
cost more. That will probably mean the total cost will be around
$6,000. Is this too much?

My insurance is not paying any of this, because they won't cover
implants at all, and only cover half the cost of bridges. Even then
only when the tooth is lost during the time you have coverage. My
parents have agreed to pay for part of the proceedure.

We haven't talked over the specifics of what type of implant it will be
yet, as I'm still deciding if it is right for me. But I guess since I
don't want a bridge, there's not a lot of other options for me. I'll
see if I can get a copy of the pictures and X-rays that were taken to
post them. In the meantime, does anyone have any thoughts or advice for
me? Thanks.
Amatus Cremona - 24 Sep 2005 05:35 GMT
>In the meantime, does anyone have any thoughts or advice for
>me? Thanks.

Depending on where you are, the fee might be high. Get a second
surgical opinion/estinate.

Amatus

>Almost 15 years ago, I lost my adult #10 tooth to root absorption after
>having braces for three years. They tried pretty much everything to
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>see if I can get a copy of the pictures and X-rays that were taken to
>post them. >

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Amatus

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Arklier - 24 Sep 2005 07:24 GMT
Thanks. I live in the south Puget Sound area in Washington state. Cost
of living out here isn't exactly cheap, but I will ask around. Does
anyone know of any good periodontists in this area?
Joel M. Eichen - 24 Sep 2005 15:54 GMT
>Thanks. I live in the south Puget Sound area in Washington state. Cost
>of living out here isn't exactly cheap, but I will ask around. Does
>anyone know of any good periodontists in this area?

Keep us informed!

Joel
Bill - 24 Sep 2005 20:36 GMT
They estimated the cost at around $5,600 if they have to use the bank
bone. That covers the surgery for the bone graft with materials, and
the later surgery to mount the post after the graft has had time to
grow in. The crown is made up seperately by my normal dentist and will
cost more. That will probably mean the total cost will be around
$6,000. Is this too much?

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If the cost of the implant and grafting alone is $5600, and you
estimate the "total cost" including the crown is $6000, you are
allowing only $400 for all the work placing an appropriate abutment and
a crown.

$400 is extremely unrealistic. The crown alone would probably be at
least $800 and the abutment cost has to be added to that.

Since the original $5600 cost is over 90% of the monetary investment,
it would make sense to get a second and third opinion regarding the
grafting and implant placement. The original periodontist might be
right on, or a second one may have quite another approach to the
matter.

Seek out experienced oral surgeons too, as periodontists are not the
only specialists with experience in implant placement and bone
grafting. I have been very pleased with the implants placed by my local
oral surgeons.

As this is something that you want to last for years and years, don't
skimp on the time you allow yourself to get opinions from several
different qualified specialists.

- dentaldoc
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Sep 2005 12:51 GMT
>They estimated the cost at around $5,600 if they have to use the bank
>bone. That covers the surgery for the bone graft with materials, and
>the later surgery to mount the post after the graft has had time to
>grow in. The crown is made up seperately by my normal dentist and will
>cost more. That will probably mean the total cost will be around
>$6,000. Is this too much?

REPLY to Arklier,

Yup, for around here that is sky high.

Our discounted (sorry for using that term) fees are $2,200 for a
normal, routine placement, which includes a root form implant placed
by a university trained (3-year training, not weekend training)
implantologist, and includes the restorative crown that goes on top.
So for $11,000 you can get five implants.  If there are complications,
there are some extras that are disclosed before treatment begins. We
perform the entire treatment under one roof at our neighborhood dental
implant center to ensure close communication between surgical staff
and restorative staff. We also perform general dentistry and cosmetic
dentistry.

More details are available in our four-color print magazine that I
will mail to you if you send me your street address. I may place the
magazine on the internet later on as time permits.

Our office offers free examination and free consultation, so people
can meet us and compare. This is the same as on the internet. We
welcome competition! If you have any specific questions, please send
me e-mail or you are welcome to call my cell phone number on weekends.
This is when I have free minutes. I know that sounds weird. But we
like to hold down unnecessary expenses. This keeps our implant fees
extremely competitive. We have a new state-of-the-art facility,
wonderfully equipped, but I get crazy with these cell phone charges!

You should hear my colleagues howl with laughter as I tell them we are
ripping out the office DSL and installing dial-up! The office DSL sets
us back $25.95 a month while my home dial-up is $9.95.

But I am learning. Some expenses are completely necessary!

Joel

Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Philadelphia PA

joeleichen@yahoo.com

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