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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / October 2005I would like to discuss this
Alright. I told carabelli, amatus and W_B that I would NOT Cross-post their posts. However since none of you own the information here I am gonot do the following. I came across an old topic that I would like to discuss, but it is so old that I cannot reply to it. None of you guys are on it so I am copying it. I just want to let you know upfront so you do not have a hissy fit and start attacking me about it. OK? Thanks -Sue It is about the future of dentistry. Located below: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry/browse_frm/thread/a98c6aceec785 814?scoring=d&q=future+of+dentistry Or do I have to provide the link.... Is it legal to copy this information? Thanks for any input, Sue > Or do I have to provide the link.... Is it legal to copy this > information? The problem with cross posting is that folks don't want to have their words, or work, spread around DT or DC without their permission. If somebody wants to read it, they're welcome to come here and read all they want. Gotta respect that... Try this: Hey Cobber, I remember this lovely picture of a cheerleader that you posted on DC once upon a time. Mind posting it to Tiny Earl for us? Uh-Oh... Better go... Sue is reloading... Well at least it is not published in a magazine and circulated to 50,000+ people in your profession... without asking your permission. So you are telling me I should post the link instead. Thanks Bill, Sue PS to Amtaus...Sorry I phrased my thoughts that way... but that is the general attitude that seems to be perpetuated here. When Rod Kurthy posted on Dcom, he was attacked by Sci med folks. Then I was accused of having some sort of personal relationship with him. I did not tell you guys to go away. The question was honest but not intended to attach blame. So the point is, we can all make mistakes when we write our posts I should have phrased it differently so as not to sound accusatory toward everyone here... sorry. Cool off and just realize it is Sue sticking her foot in her mouth. I was asking in all honesty. I just wanted to know what I need to do in order to be accepted here. I did not mean to upset you by letting out an honest question. Shad and I are similar that way... WYSIWIG What you see is what you get. I hope you can give me some more time... but I guarantee I will stick my foot in my mouth again. I JUST DO IT! I do not mean to... but I always do. It comes out in the wrong way. Sorry, -Sue Go Away >Well at least it is not published in a magazine and circulated to >50,000+ [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >-Sue .. Amatus . > So you are telling me I should post the link instead. Why not ask for their permission? Better yet, ask them to post it themselves. If they don't, leave it alone... Bill, This was posted in April 2000. I do not think those guys are around here any more. That is why I was telling the others. I thought it would be better to be open about it rather than sneaky. I guess if I was Joel I would not even ask, but I was trying to follow the Scimed netiquette. Sue > This was posted in April 2000. > I do not think those guys are around > here any more. > That is why I was telling the others. I > thought it would be better to be open about > it rather than sneaky. No need to explain it to me, Sue. I don't believe you have any bad intent. >I guess if I was Joel I would not even >ask, but I was trying to follow the Scimed >netiquette. SMD netiquette says never paste surd messages to another forum. GO AWAY ! Amatus >Bill, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Sue .. Amatus . >That is why I was telling the others. I >thought it would be better to be open about >it rather than sneaky. Why in the world would it be okay if the OP has not been around SMD for awhile? But, not okay for one of us? Don't you get it? You promised not to cross-post! How can you function in the business world if you are this zany! May we paste your messages on SMD to DT? With your name? phone number? Amatus >Bill, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Sue .. Amatus . Amatus wrote: "How can you function in the business world if you are this zany?" Reply. Well I left the American Red Cross where I was earning $11.00/hr to start at Medtronic at $8.00/hour. I was thinking long term happiness and fulfillment.. not $. I have been with Medtronic for 19 years and have moved up several times. Even without my husband's contributions my net retirement is over $1 million. I think I have functioned just fine. Thank you. Now just get over the cross posting issues already. You think it is not being done by others? Well you must be pretty ZANY to think that what you post here is private to your own little usenet group. AND yes I know what I have said here has already been RSS fed to others sites (by someone)...so get over this issue ... I am not worried about my stuff being cross-posted because I know this is NOT PRIVATE! Wake up and smell the coffee Amatus. If you do not want others to hear what you are saying here, then stay off the internet. Sue >Or do I have to provide the link.... Is it legal to copy this >information? What are those police sirens I hear in Minneapolis>? >Thanks for any input, >Sue > >Or do I have to provide the link.... Is it legal to copy this > >information? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Thanks for any input, > >Sue JOel, Kirk just got back form his fishing trip and I showed him what Amatus said. He told me to ignore jerks like that and to continue to do what I think is right. He wishes I would just give up these dental aspirations online because he hates it when I take comments like that to heart. HE hopes that I give up and stick to offline projects for now and stick to community efforts and my work at Medtronic. It has been difficult on our relationship because I take everything so seriously (the big picture stuff). I also take direct ad hominens to heart sometimes and that does neither of us any good (Kirk or I). I got so frustrated on DT because nobody wanted to discuss larger issues facing the dental industry. I was internalizing my frustration. It was eating me up. I also could not understand how dentists would be so rude to someone volunteering her efforts toward a project that helps to improve the image of dentists and also helps to get some families dental care. By the way Kirk (my husband and I) share the same email account so anything I say can be monitored by him at any time he wishes. JOel you have been a perfect gentleman. THANK YOU! Kirk has little interest in going through my emails though because he knows I handle the creeps appropriately. I am not sure how anyone is going to interpret what I just wrote. I guess I don't care anymore. In life I just try to do the right thing. If someone has a problem with that, then too bad. They can go eat cake!!! Sue PS I am not mad. I am just feeling better and more grounded now that Kirk is home :-) :-) Thanks. I learned my gentlemanly behavior from Steve Bornfeld. They say that, "he is always a perfect gentleman", although I cannot recall who said that first. Joel >> >Or do I have to provide the link.... Is it legal to copy this >> >information? [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >PS I am not mad. I am just feeling better and more grounded now that >Kirk is home :-) :-) And BTW, How is this being rude? Do I have to hate the same dentalboards as everyone else does in order to be accepted here? Thanks, Sue Based on the first post in this thread, you should just GO AWAY ! Amatus >And BTW, How is this being rude? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Thanks, >Sue .. Amatus . You really are just TRASH ! Amatus >Alright. I told carabelli, amatus and W_B that I would NOT Cross-post >their posts. However since none of you own the information here I am [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry/browse_frm/thread/a98c6aceec785 814?scoring=d&q=future+of+dentistry .. Amatus . > You really are just TRASH ! "Go away." Uncalled for rudeness for any perceived reason. Especially if a person is trying to be helpful. Chalk it up to the hazaards of being honest, Sue. Gail > . IMO, this would not constitute cross-posting, since the post appeared on SMD. > Alright. I told carabelli, amatus and W_B that I would NOT Cross-post > their posts. However since none of you own the information here I am [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry/browse_frm/thread/a98c6aceec785 814?scoring=d&q=future+of+dentistry I still don't believe that lame excuse about the sheep. Fess up. carabelli Carabelli, The whole conversation is on Dcom. I will have to go look it up. It was a humorous conversation. I work in medical research for Medtronic, Inc. I am happily married and in a FAITHFUL, loving relationship. My interest in dentsitry stems from my volunteer work that I did with the MDA (MN Dental Association) I am not trash as AC seems to assume. It just seems like nobody has a sense of humor here! Gosh. I guess I just thought we migth be able to kid around sometimes too. If you want to know more about me and my links to dentistry I will give you the link on DT. My husband is calling. Gotta go, Sue > It just seems like nobody has a sense of humor here! > > Gosh. I guess I just thought we migth be able to kid around sometimes > too. It's in the FAQ, Sue. If you laugh while on the SMD, we will FIND you and we will KILL you. Jerk or no jerk involved... SP  SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply SP wrote: Sue <chrlie...@yahoo.com> wrote: > It just seems like nobody has a sense of humor here! > Gosh. I guess I just thought we migth be able to kid around sometimes > too. It's in the FAQ, Sue. If you laugh while on the SMD, we will FIND you and we will KILL you. Jerk or no jerk involved... SP ______________________________ No sense of humor, eh? How about this: "Considering that the subject is cross-posting, this thread certainly has some very cross posts!" [ canned laughter . . . . ] - dentaldoc > SP wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - dentaldoc Very good! SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply > It's in the FAQ, Sue. If you laugh while on the SMD, we will FIND you > and we will KILL you. > Jerk or no jerk involved... > SP Please, NO! Not the amalgam hit squad... 8^P > > It's in the FAQ, Sue. If you laugh while on the SMD, we will FIND you > > and we will KILL you. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Please, NO! > Not the amalgam hit squad... 8^P Nope.... W_B and the UnBleachables SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply The term cross-post means that the person who is posting is very cross. They frequently claim that everyone else is lying although I cannot recall any specific instances right now ....... Joel >> It's in the FAQ, Sue. If you laugh while on the SMD, we will FIND you >> and we will KILL you. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Please, NO! >Not the amalgam hit squad... 8^P > The term cross-post means that the person who is posting is very > cross. They frequently claim that everyone else is lying although I > cannot recall any specific instances right now ....... Usenet is the realm of the anonymous. For some reason, people throw civility out the window since they believe they're protected by a computer screen. . . . Reason and common sense quickly follow civility. >> The term cross-post means that the person who is posting is very >> cross. They frequently claim that everyone else is lying although I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >civility out the window since they believe they're protected by a >computer screen. TRUE, we must remember how identifiable we really are ..... >. >. >. > >Reason and common sense quickly follow civility. > > The term cross-post means that the person who is posting is very > > cross. They frequently claim that everyone else is lying although I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Reason and common sense quickly follow civility. WHO ASKED YOU!!!!!!!! ;-) SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply > WHO ASKED YOU!!!!!!!! > ;-) > SP SNIP! Irrelevant!!! SNIP SNIP SNIP SNIP!!! <LOL> ;^> Amatus made me mad by calling me trash and then telling me to go away... so I got a little mad back. I sill don't understand what the big deal is about cross-posting. Nobody responded anyway to a message that was posted in April 2000 by "toothpuller" on Sci med. AS IF anyone is going to try to figure out who toothpuller is anyway...? In any case, I prefer to not remain "cross" anymore. If I cross-post again (i.e. ancient posts where author is not around) I will use Joel's technique (NOT TELL!) ....or use Bill's technique:ask first (if author is present). TGIM, -Sue "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote > AS IF anyone is going to try to figure out who > toothpuller is anyway...? Everybody else knows. carabelli Carabelli, Actually I have no idea who any of you are. Sue >Carabelli, > >Actually I have no idea who any of you are. > >Sue Carabelli is a world famous Beer Can Chicken recipe chef and you have not lived until you have tasted his "TurDunKin." Or was that KeyChikUck? I thought I was the first with the beer can chicken. Carabelli is much more refined in his culinary pursuits. Dartos >>Carabelli, >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Or was that KeyChikUck? I thought I was the first with the beer can chicken. Carabelli is much more refined in his culinary pursuits. Dartos My husband (Kirk) makes a really good beer can chicken. I will get his recipe... He is a better cook than I am. SMDers will have to have a beer can chicken contest someday... :-) Sue That would be fun. Carabelli and I might do some real BBQ at the same time (not that I would offer serious competition to the master, but I'd give it a shot). :-) Dartos > I thought I was the first with the beer can chicken. > Carabelli is much more refined in his culinary [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sue > That would be fun. Carabelli and I might do some > real BBQ at the same time (not that I would offer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > :-) > Dartos Hah, you ought to ask Prosser about my last ribs episode. Used the water-smoker and the waterpan developed a leak that we missed. Solid carbon after about 6 hours. They shattered when I dropped on on the sidewalk. I did offer them to my daughter and friends later that night as leftovers - they were pretty excited - for about a minute. Jackstack to the rescue. carabelli I am not sure if Joel can eat ribs. I don't think it is kosher. We had ribs last weekend! Another one of Kirk's specialties.. 5 hours smoked on the grill. We are still eating leftovers. :-) Sue >I am not sure if Joel can eat ribs. I don't think it is kosher. Actually nothing is Kosher. That is why so many rabbis are so skinny ....... NOT. >We had ribs last weekend! Another one of Kirk's specialties.. 5 hours >smoked on the grill. We are still eating leftovers. :-) Sue > I am not sure if Joel can eat ribs. I don't think it is kosher. > > We had ribs last weekend! Another one of Kirk's specialties.. 5 hours > smoked on the grill. We are still eating leftovers. :-) Sue I thought you could make _anything_ Kosher as long as it was blessed by the Rabbi and it _wasn't_ pork based. SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply >> I am not sure if Joel can eat ribs. I don't think it is kosher. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I thought you could make _anything_ Kosher as long as it was blessed by >the Rabbi and it _wasn't_ pork based. The rabbis were the original pay to play gang .... of course they said pay to nosh instead. Joel nosh=eat. >SP >> I am not sure if Joel can eat ribs. I don't think it is kosher. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >SP Cloven hooved and doesn't chew cud. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>> I am not sure if Joel can eat ribs. I don't think it is kosher. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Cloven hooved and doesn't chew cud. That's wrong. Very few rabbis have cloven hoofs although some do chew their cud. >I thought I was the first with the beer can chicken. >Carabelli is much more refined in his culinary >pursuits. Actually many people have tried the beer can chicken but Carabelli is the first guy to figure out how to get an entire fryer into the 12-ounce size can of Bud. Joel >Dartos > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Sue >>I thought I was the first with the beer can chicken. >>Carabelli is much more refined in his culinary [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the first guy to figure out how to get an entire fryer into the >12-ounce size can of Bud. Carabelli, any new chicken-salad recipes ....? >Joel > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >>Sue I can't help it... JOel cracks me up. :-) > Carabelli, > > Actually I have no idea who any of you are. > > Sue I don't know who _I_ am anymore either. I _do_ know that sooner or later we will find _me_ and kill _me_ as well though.... This is a tough ng to be part of... SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply Glad or not so glad to hear others are having an identity crisis. Tough one to crack. Gail > > Carabelli, > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Take out the TRASH to reply >"Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >carabelli Really? Who? Give me a hint. >"Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote > > >AS IF anyone is going to try to figure out who >> toothpuller is anyway...? > >Everybody else knows. Only the Shadow knows ....... >carabelli > If I cross-post again (i.e. ancient posts where author is not around) > I will use Joel's technique (NOT TELL!) Gee, would it be so hard to just begin a new conversation about the topic if someone is so interested in it, rather than pasting the words of some individual into a forum that individual never intended to be displayed in? Why do you have to copy the conversation? Besides you promised not to cross-post anymore, that makes you a liar. Boy, you sure get testy when you can't have your way. Signature/ Amatus / > Amatus made me mad by calling me trash and > then telling me to go away... so I got a little mad back. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > TGIM, > -Sue >> If I cross-post again (i.e. ancient posts where author is not around) >> I will use Joel's technique (NOT TELL!) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Besides you promised not to cross-post anymore, that makes you a liar. > Boy, you sure get testy when you can't have your way. Throw her to the lions! > >> If I cross-post again (i.e. ancient posts where author is not around) > >> I will use Joel's technique (NOT TELL!) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Throw her to the lions! Sheep. carabelli >> >> If I cross-post again (i.e. ancient posts where author is not around) >> >> I will use Joel's technique (NOT TELL!) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> > Sheep. yeah the Sheep Lions >>> Throw her to the lions! >>> >> Sheep. > >yeah the Sheep Lions What are sheepish lions? >>>> Throw her to the lions! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What are sheepish lions? The modest ones. Now back to that lame sheep excuse. carabelli > >>> Throw her to the lions! > >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What are sheepish lions? And are they sleeping tonight? In the Jungle, the Mighty Jungle? SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply >> >>> Throw her to the lions! >> >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > And are they sleeping tonight? In the Jungle, the Mighty Jungle? Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man So can a woman who passes herself off as a male They sang "Danny Boy" at his funeral and the Lord's Prayer Preacher talking 'bout Christ betrayed It's like the earth just opened and swallowed him up He reached too high, was thrown back to the ground You know what they say about bein' nice to the right people on the way up Sooner or later you gonna meet them comin' down Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down Ain't no goin' back > Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man > So can a woman who passes herself off as a male [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down > Ain't no goin' back Enlighten me, brother Tim. Who said (or sung) this? Thanks SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply >> Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man >> So can a woman who passes herself off as a male [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Thanks > SP Bob Dylan -- Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man So can a woman who passes herself off as a male They sang "Danny Boy" at his funeral and the Lord's Prayer Preacher talking 'bout Christ betrayed It's like the earth just opened and swallowed him up He reached too high, was thrown back to the ground You know what they say about bein' nice to the right people on the way up Sooner or later you gonna meet them comin' down Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down Ain't no goin' back Hear ya got a brother named James, don't forget faces or names Sunken cheeks and his blood is mixed He looked straight into the sun and said revenge is mine But he drinks, and drinks can be fixed Sing me one more song, about ya love me to the moon and the stranger And your fall by the sword love affair with Erroll Flynn in these times of compassion when conformity's in fashion Say one more stupid thing to me before the final nail is driven in. Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down Ain't no goin' back There's a retired businessman named Red, cast down from heaven and he's out of his head He feeds off of everyone that he can touch He said he only deals in cash or sells tickets to a plane crash He's not somebody that you play around with much Miss Delilah is his, a Philistine is what she is She'll do wondrous works with your fate Feed you coconut bread, spice buns in your bed If you don't mind sleepin' with your head face down in a grave. Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down Ain't no goin' back Well they'll choose a man for you to meet tonight You'll play the fool and learn how to walk through doors How to enter into the gates of paradise No, how to carry a burden too heavy to be yours Yeah, from the stage they'll be tryin' to get water outta rocks A whore will pass the hat, collect a hundred grand and say thanks They like to take all this money from sin, build big universities to study in Sing "Amazing Grace" all the way to the Swiss banks Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down Ain't no goin' back They got some beautiful people out there, man They can be a terror to your mind and show you how to hold your tongue They got mystery written all over their forehead They kill babies in the crib and say only the good die young They don't believe in mercy Judgment on them is something that you'll never see They can exalt you up or bring you down main route Turn you into anything that they want you to be Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down Ain't no goin' back Yes, I guess I loved him too I can still see him in my mind climbin' that hill Did he make it to the top, well he probably did and dropped Struck down by the strength of the will Ain't nothin' left here partner, just the dust of a plague that has left this whole town afraid From now on, this'll be where you're from Let the dead bury the dead. Your time will come Let hot iron blow as he raised the shade Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down Ain't no goin' back Copyright © 1983 Special Rider Music Bob Dylan. Yup. He is from Mn. You know what they say about people from Mn don't you? Sue > Bob Dylan. > > Yup. He is from Mn. You know what they say about people > from Mn don't you? > > Sue That they should be found and killed. Apart from that, they're prolly great people. SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply >Bob Dylan. > >Yup. He is from Mn. You know what they say about people >from Mn don't you? > >Sue They like Manganese ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com W_B wrote: They like Manganese? No that is Oregon and Washington and Woodie Guthrie. Bob Dylan did not write that song. NOW IN WASHINGTON AND OREGON YOU HEAR THE FACTORIES HUM MAKING CHROME AND MAKING MANGANESE AND LIGHT ALUMINUM >W_B wrote: They like Manganese? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >NOW IN WASHINGTON AND OREGON YOU HEAR THE FACTORIES HUM >MAKING CHROME AND MAKING MANGANESE AND LIGHT ALUMINUM Thanks for clarifying, but did you have to shout ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>Bob Dylan. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >They like Manganese ? Nope they are Manganusos. > > Enlighten me, brother Tim. Who said (or sung) this? > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down > Ain't no goin' back Oh, yes... Thanks SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply StovePipe wrote: And are they sleeping tonight? In the Jungle, the Mighty Jungle? SP -- No, I think they're near the village, the peaceful village . . . - dentaldoc > StovePipe wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - dentaldoc Rat Own, brothuh.... Any one know how many versions of the Wibowep song were recorded???? SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply > > StovePipe wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > SP > -- The version I always think of is the classic by the Tokens, back in 1961, I believe . . . reminds me of high school days. - dentaldoc How does it f--e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-l to be one your own... a complete unknown.... like a rolling stone... :-) Sue >How does it f--e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-l > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Sue Mick Madden? > How does it f--e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-l > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sue I saw BD with The Band way back in the '80s at the Forum in Montreal. The Band were great. Bob... well he just wasn't _into_ it, it seemed. JMO SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply >> How does it f--e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-l >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I saw BD with The Band way back in the '80s at the Forum in Montreal. > The Band were great. Bob... well he just wasn't _into_ it, it seemed. Those were great days, not sure why Bob wasn't into it, but everyone has a bad night i suppose. I have seen him so many times I have lost count, somewhere around 35+. > >> How does it f--e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-l > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > bad night i suppose. I have seen him so many times I have lost count, > somewhere around 35+. Yes.... maybe it doesn't go well in Mtl for him, I don't know. But that is one thing you _can_ say about BD: he was no stranger to the touring circuit for years and years. SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply >> >> How does it f--e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-l >> >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > is one thing you _can_ say about BD: he was no stranger to the touring > circuit for years and years. I do know he liked playing Canada and went there quite often, and he's still touring to this day. Right now he's in Europe. Oct-Nov 2005 European Tour DATE DAY CITY VENUE 17 Oct Mon Stockholm Globe 18 Oct Thu Oslo Spektrum 20 Oct Thu Karlstad Lofsberg Lila 21 Oct Fri Gothenburg Scandinavium 22 Oct Sat Aalborg Gigantium 24 Oct Mon Hamburg CCH 25 Oct Tue Berlin Arena 26 Oct Wed Hannover AWD Halle 28 Oct Fri Rotterdam Ahoy 29 Oct Sat Oberhausen Arena 30 Oct Sun Wetzlar Mittlehessen Arena Amatus. I used to play violin. I used to love it! I no longer play. My younger brother can play piano like you play violin. He can sit down and play without having any music in front of him. His true instrument is alto sax though. I am not naturally talented like he is...nor like my sisters who play instruments still... or like one niece who plays viloin, cello, viola, flute and piano... . and sings too!! (This is of her own doing... not pushed on her by parents). In fact they were worried about her obsession. But she simply loves music... that is all there is to it. I wish I was gifted like that. Music is a wonderful thing. Aside, I was coached to play violin because I have long fingers... it was either that or flute... But I really did not want to clean up any spit.... Truly, that is all I knew.. the flute collected spit and at some point you had to clean it up... Sorry to sound so gross.. but that is the truth re: my 3rd grade mentality and why I chose violin... And yes. Children can be cruel but mostly they are just plain naive and a little shortsighted. :-) -Sue > Amatus. I used to play violin. I used to love it! I no longer play. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Aside, I was coached to play violin because I have long fingers... it > was either that or flute... Gee--what instrument will long fingers NOT favor? Nevertheless, I've heard some nice sounds come out of stubby fingers. Steve > But I really did not want to clean up any spit.... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -Sue SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > Gee--what instrument will long fingers NOT favor? > Nevertheless, I've heard some nice sounds come out of stubby fingers. My problem is not finger length, but width of the pads on the tips of my fingers. My fingers are wide enough that I have to move one finger to play the next half-step. I cannot play a half-step without moving a finger. At my level of playing, I need to keep as many fingers down as I can to maintain finger position and tonality. Move your hand 1/4 inch and you lose tone. I am just getting to where I can drop into third position and have god tone. That probably means she will push me to learn 5th position before too long. I never seem to get a chance to rest with this thing. Dental connection: finger and hind size related to doing dentistry. Is there a correlation? Signature/ Amatus / "Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote in message > Gee--what instrument will long fingers NOT favor? > Nevertheless, I've heard some nice sounds come out of stubby fingers. > > Steve > Dental connection: finger and hind size related to doing dentistry. Is > there a correlation? You have to love the blind luck of having your spell checker accept a mis-spelled word that is actually another word. For those interested, _hind_ size probably does not matter, discussing it might necessitate moving to a different NG. I meant to say _hand_ size. Signature/ Amatus / > > >> Gee--what instrument will long fingers NOT favor? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Steve >>Gee--what instrument will long fingers NOT favor? >>Nevertheless, I've heard some nice sounds come out of stubby fingers. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Dental connection: finger and hind size related to doing dentistry. Is > there a correlation? Except for certain procedures where the fingers have to be directly in the mouth (say, using a hand instrument in endo, anyone who still uses TMS pins), I doubt it would be a major issue except in extreme cases. I didn't realize that string players could move up a half-step without moving fingers--something we don't usually have to worry about. Besides the frets, the scale length obviously affects that. I've often wondered how string players can develop that accuracy of finger placement. And my guess is you guys don't have white dots on the side of the neck! ;-) Steve Signature{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Arial;}} {\*\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;}\viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 Remove "nospam" to reply\par } LOL... I had 2 white lines. With the violin you must have "perfect" tone... either that or you create a new musical wave as an entertainer....kind of like Bob Dylan did. Creating a good sound on the violin takes years of practice... even without worrying about tone... it is so difficult to not sound scratchy! I wish I had kept it up.. because I never fully developed the skill. If I had just taken it in to college ...perhaps I could have made it really sing. RE: hind sight ...I mean hand size... I would think that dentists need strong fingers and hands... Playing an instrument would help develop that... so this seems like a natural fit. There is a prominent cardiac surgeon in the Twin Cities who has enormous hands... somehow he was still able to perform complex bypass surgeries.. I think he is retired now. Maybe robotics would help those professionals that may have some practical problems created by size of hands, arthritis or what not (in dentistry and/or surgery)?? PS I misread Amatus. Do you teach violin? > I would think that dentists need strong fingers and hands... Playing an > instrument would help develop that... so this seems like a natural fit. I have fairly large hands, but my fingers are not 'fat'. If the fingers won't reach, or won't fit, the dentist just has to use an appropriate instrument to help. The strength issue would be interesting to test. I remember years ago at a family Christmas gathering where my brother (a truck driver at the time) decided to test our grip strength by seeing how many pounds we could register by squeezing a bathroom scale. I beat him by 30+ pounds and he just couldn't understand it. :-) Dartos > The strength issue would be interesting to test. I remember years ago > at a family Christmas gathering where my brother (a truck driver at the > time) decided to test our grip strength by seeing how many pounds we could > register by squeezing a bathroom scale. A neat test is to see who can hold that grip for the longest time. I have cured many "large" people of trying to squeeze hard enough to hurt during a hand-shake by patiently waiting for them to tire a bit, then turning on the squeeze from my end when they are starting to tire out. Turns out we can hold that grip for much longer as well. Signature/ Amatus / > >> I would think that dentists need strong fingers and hands... Playing an [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > :-) > Dartos cured many "large" people of trying to squeeze hard enough to hurt during a hand-shake by patiently waiting for them to tire a bit, then turning on the squeeze from my end when they are starting to tire out. Turns out we can hold that grip for much longer as well. ********************************************* Reply. What I do when I really want to hurt someone's hand when I shake their hand, I grip hard, crunch their fingers together and then roll them until I hear them crack. I tell how much it hurts by the grimace on their face...if I hold it long enough they will crumple at the stomach... At that point... I stop. I used to do this to my younger brother every Sunday when we would offer each other the sign of peace at church..... HEY- It was pay back for the week-long torture that he gave me at home... -Sue > Except for certain procedures where the fingers have to be directly in the > mouth (say, using a hand instrument in endo, anyone who still uses TMS [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And my guess is you guys don't have white dots on the side of the neck! > ;-) You can move a half step without moving your hand. You normally would play F sharp, then just lay your next finger right next to the previous one for G natural. I can't do that, I have to pull the finger back that is on F sharp other wise G natural comes out slightly sharp. The higher the string, the closer the spacing becomes. Then, sliding to third position changes the spacing again. A full step on the E string in third position is almost a half step on the G string in first position. Fifth position shortens this distance even more. Some notes we can make by just rolling the finger to the adjacent string. And, of course vibrato is achieved by vibrating the finger away from the bridge then back into "normal" tone again. You don't lift your finger off the primary note in either instance. No frets, no white dots. Just muscle memory and listening for good tone. You can tell when your ear is improving as you notice your finger adjusting position slightly to improve tone as you bow the note. In dentistry we get to use instruments which accommodate for larger fingers, In music, we have to accommodate our bodies to fit the instrument. The guy on the saxophone can probably have huge finger pads and have great pitch playing in the same manner as the person with tiny finger tips. On the violin strings, it is a different story. Cello and bass players can set fingers down for half steps easier, but they _really_ have to stretch to get their fourth finger down while keeping the first finger in place. Signature/ Amatus / > >>>Gee--what instrument will long fingers NOT favor? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Steve >>Except for certain procedures where the fingers have to be directly in the >>mouth (say, using a hand instrument in endo, anyone who still uses TMS [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You can move a half step without moving your hand. Bad on me. Somehow I saw moving a half-step without moving your FINGER! ;-) We don't have those kinds of space problems on the guitar. I've played guitar on and off for over 35 years now. But I have never had a classical teacher. It is self-evident to me how technique sensitive getting a good tone out of a violin is. It is not as self-evident how tough it is getting a good tone out of a plucked guitar string. But believe me--when I listen to someone who can do it, I can hear how far I still have to go. Steve You normally would play > F sharp, then just lay your next finger right next to the previous one for G > natural. I can't do that, I have to pull the finger back that is on F sharp [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > fingers down for half steps easier, but they _really_ have to stretch to get > their fourth finger down while keeping the first finger in place. Signature{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Arial;}} {\*\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;}\viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 Remove "nospam" to reply\par } > I've played guitar on and off for over 35 years now. But I have never had > a classical teacher. It is self-evident to me how technique sensitive > getting a good tone out of a violin is. It is not as self-evident how > tough it is getting a good tone out of a plucked guitar string. But > believe me--when I listen to someone who can do it, I can hear how far I > still have to go. You guys have a lot of notes to keep track of at one time. I get the occasional double stop, and the rare triple stop. Usually, if I get a triple stop it is at the end of a piece of music--the last note to be played. You on the other hand get to read four notes at a time for every strum of your right hand (in many selections). That is a lot of processing going on between the eye, the brain and the hand. Signature/ Amatus / > >>>Except for certain procedures where the fingers have to be directly in [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> _really_ have to stretch to get their fourth finger down while keeping >> the first finger in place. >> If I cross-post again (i.e. ancient posts where author is not around) >> I will use Joel's technique (NOT TELL!) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >individual into a forum that individual never intended to be displayed in? >Why do you have to copy the conversation? I always just repost what someone else said, but put my name on it. Ooooops. my secret is out. Joel >Besides you promised not to cross-post anymore, that makes you a liar. Boy, >you sure get testy when you can't have your way. Amatus wrote: "you sure get testy when you can't have your way." Reply. Oh really? Talk about testy. I think you must be speaking about yourself here. I was not testy until you called me TRASH and told me to go away because YOU did not get your way. Talk about trying to turn the tables. geesh. So you should talk Mr Grumpy. lol. FYI: #1- I posted the link of the topic that I wanted to discuss HERE and nobody here replied. #2- I have NOT LIED. I said I would not cross post your posts, carabellis' posts or W_B's posts. AND I have not. I will continue to ask in the future and you all can continue to say NO then if you wish. Cuz If I never ask then I will never know if you ever have a change in heart. And if you all can predict now that you will NEVER have a change in heart about this matter, then I say you are a bunch of narrow-minded curmungeons.... ..this is the type of person who would cut off his nose to spite his face Amatus, You are making me shake my head in utter wonder. BTW, Are you as old as Joel? ... Men lose more gray matter as they age compared to women... making them grumpier and of poor mind.... hence the term "grumpy old man" has some scientific roots. Just ask Dr. Weil. So eat your spinach and make sure you stay away from the canned kind.. fresh or frozen is better. -Sue PS I know I will get pummeled with hormonal mood-swing sorts of digs now PSS But do you not know that it is a woman's perogative to change her mind anyway? BTW, I cannot believe we are still discussing this...... shaking my head now... >Amatus wrote: "you sure get testy when you can't have your way." > >Reply. Oh really? Talk about testy. Uh-oh ....... > I think you must be speaking about >yourself here. I was not testy until you called me TRASH and told me >to go away because YOU did not get your way. Talk about trying to turn >the tables. geesh. Sue is not trash ........ believe me ....... she's very sophisticated ......... and oh yeah .... kinda hot. >So you should talk Mr Grumpy. lol. > >FYI: >#1- I posted the link of the topic that I wanted to discuss HERE and >nobody here replied. Joel >#2- I have NOT LIED. I said I would not cross post your posts, >carabellis' posts or W_B's posts. AND I have not. I will continue to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >BTW, I cannot believe we are still discussing this...... shaking my >head now... Sue is not trash ........ believe me ....... she's very sophisticated ......... and oh yeah .... kinda hot. Thanks Joel.... The first part is true ... the latter... well ... thank you <blush> ..but I need a little work there too. Sophisticated would be very nice. ... and as far as being "hot" .. well, hot tempered might be a better desciptor. (but it is nice to fantasize about such possibilities) lol. Maybe others can help train me to be well-mannered.... -Sue >Amatus wrote: "you sure get testy when you can't have your way." > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >#2- I have NOT LIED. I said I would not cross post your posts, WHOT??? That lady schoolmarm has been on you too? Joel >carabellis' posts or W_B's posts. AND I have not. I will continue to >ask in the future and you all can continue to say NO then if you wish. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >BTW, I cannot believe we are still discussing this...... shaking my >head now... > #2- I have NOT LIED. I said I would not cross post your posts, > carabellis' posts or W_B's posts. AND I have not. I will continue to > ask in the future and you all can continue to say NO then if you wish. <sigh...> No body ever CARES what _I_ write... > Cuz If I never ask then I will never know if you ever have a change in > heart. And if you all can predict now that you will NEVER have a > change in heart about this matter, then I say you are a bunch of > narrow-minded curmungeons.... CURMUNGEONS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? OK, lady, _now_ you've asked for war: we will now Find you and Kill you twice. > ..this is the type of person who would cut off his nose to spite his > face I beg to differ: the only cutting that is going on here is cutting and pasting. SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply >Amatus made me mad by calling me trash and >then telling me to go away... so I got a little mad back. > >I sill don't understand what the big deal is about >cross-posting. REPLY First cross-posting, second cross-dressing, and before you know it there goes our reputations ...... humor Joel >Nobody responded anyway to a >message that was posted in April >2000 by "toothpuller" on Sci med. Oh wait, Tooth puller? He hates to be quoted .... humor again ....... >AS IF anyone is going to try to figure out who >toothpuller is anyway...? Might be a dentist, but I am guessing ... perhaps he is in organized crime ...... >In any case, I prefer to not remain "cross" anymore. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >TGIM, >-Sue AS IF anyone is going to try to figure out who >toothpuller is anyway...? Might be a dentist, but I am guessing ... perhaps he is in organized crime ...... Reply. Hey Joel--- Are any of them really dentists besides Dr. Bornfield and you? .... Uggh,,, JOel are YOU a dentist? >AS IF anyone is going to try to figure out who >>toothpuller is anyway...? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Reply. Hey Joel--- Are any of them really dentists besides Dr. >Bornfield and you? .... Uggh,,, JOel are YOU a dentist? Well, I used to be known as Long String Attached To The Door, so that is kind of like being a dentist. > AS IF anyone is going to try to figure out who > >toothpuller is anyway...? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Reply. Hey Joel--- Are any of them really dentists besides Dr. > Bornfield and you? .... Uggh,,, JOel are YOU a dentist? If you'd read some of the more technical postings, especially those where I post pics of my patients' mouths in the form of TinyPics, you would have less doubt. You know Sue, there is wisdom in LISTENING as well as talking. Just my 2 cents. SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply >> AS IF anyone is going to try to figure out who >> >toothpuller is anyway...? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >where I post pics of my patients' mouths in the form of TinyPics, you >would have less doubt. Itrs tough as heck getting passersby to open wide for a snapshot. >You know Sue, there is wisdom in LISTENING as well as talking. > >Just my 2 cents. >SP > >If you'd read some of the more technical postings, especially those > >where I post pics of my patients' mouths in the form of TinyPics, you > >would have less doubt. > > Itrs tough as heck getting passersby to open wide for a snapshot. Ah know it... 'specially when I'm goin' by on the bye-cy-kle... SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply SP, I am not ignoring you..I just do not know you yet. I am kinda shy at first... unless someone calls me TRASH and tells me to GO AWAY.... (then I erupt) or unless you are Dr Shad Lewis ... Gaaaaawd... I picked on him right away (sorry Shad) Your posts are hilarious SP! If I do not repsond, it is becuase I do not have continuous access to the boards (on purpose). If I did, I would beocme a complete addict (and that would not be good) It is too easy to just sit around chatting instead of doing productive stuff. Have a great Sunday Stovepipe and et al, Sincerely, :-) Sue > SP, > > I am not ignoring you..I just do not know you yet. > I am kinda shy at first... You don't wanna know me.... believe me. >unless someone calls me TRASH > and tells me to GO AWAY.... (then I erupt) Better be careful: Amatus killed his violin professor 'cause one of his strings snapped after his prof tuned it up... He eats steamed ice for breakfast. 'Real tough dude. He even scares _me_. > or unless you are Dr Shad Lewis ... Nope... Shad is American, IIRC, and I'm Kannnaaadian. > Gaaaaawd... I picked on him right away (sorry Shad) > > Your posts are hilarious SP! This worries me: some are wrote tongue in cheek, but not that many... > If I do not repsond, it is becuase I do not have continuous access > to the boards (on purpose). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It is too easy to just sit around chatting instead of doing productive > stuff. Yes. It is good that I don't have access at the clinique. If we ever _do_ get a link up over there (to be able to do billings and send consults, etc...) I'm gonna be in the same boat. > Have a great Sunday Stovepipe and et al, Tell me about it... I'm trying to write a payment and fees management routine in MicroRats Excel for the Macintosh. We cannot afford the 2000$ it'll cost to become compatible with the existing stuff, so I'm trying to do it myself. It is not pleasant. > Sincerely, > : |
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