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Delayed treatment for abscessed tooth

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djs0302@aol.com - 20 Sep 2005 19:39 GMT
I had a filling put in one of my upper teeth about 2 years ago.  At the
time my dentist said the tooth was "Hot".  Well last week I
accidentally bit down wrong and I kinda knocked it a bit.  There was no
visible damage.  The next morning my whole upper jaw felt like it was
in a vise.  I assumed it would go away after a few days.  The pain
started on Friday and by Monday I could see my cheek swelling up.  It
felt like my sinuses were all stopped up.  Finally after a sleepless
night I called my dentist Tuesday morning.  He drained the infection
and I'm scheduled for a root canal.  I've had a root canal before so
I'm not worried about it.  He gave me prescriptions for an antibiotic
and a painkiller. The infection had started to spread to the bone but
he's hoping the antibiotic will take of it.  I hope so too.  The
alternative doesn't sound too pleasant.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 20 Sep 2005 19:57 GMT
> I had a filling put in one of my upper teeth about 2 years ago.  At the
> time my dentist said the tooth was "Hot".  Well last week I
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> he's hoping the antibiotic will take of it.  I hope so too.  The
> alternative doesn't sound too pleasant.

    Should be OK.  I just wonder if there was miscommunication 2 years ago.
 If you had a "hot" tooth then, it's likely the dentist knew a root
canal was necessary.
    Assuming that, it's a good thing you still have a tooth to save.

Steve

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W_B - 20 Sep 2005 21:11 GMT
>Should be OK.  I just wonder if there was miscommunication 2 years ago.
>  If you had a "hot" tooth then, it's likely the dentist knew a ...

...'hot' patient when he sees one !

>Steve

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djs0302@aol.com - 20 Sep 2005 22:21 GMT
> > I had a filling put in one of my upper teeth about 2 years ago.  At the
> > time my dentist said the tooth was "Hot".  Well last week I
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    When he filled the tooth 2 years ago he really debated whether or
not to go ahead and do the root canal because the decay was so close to
the nerve but at the time he had to give me almost triple the amount of
Novocaine because every time he started to drill I would almost jump
out of the chair.  He ended up having to wait a good 15 minutes for the
Novocaine to penetrate the bone.  He said it was my decision to have
the root canal done then or wait and see.  After my experience with
that and the first root canal I decided to start being more
conscientious about my oral hygiene.  Now I brush my teeth up to 4
times a day (after every meal), floss every night, and use a fluoride
rinse.
    Incidentally, when he drilled the hole in the tooth today to drain
it he said it was gushing out like a geyser.  So far I've only taken
one dose of the antibiotic but I can already tell a big difference in
the swelling.  He has me on a seven course of Cleocin.  I'm allergic to
penicillin.
Amatus Cremona - 20 Sep 2005 22:48 GMT
>     When he filled the tooth 2 years ago he really debated whether or
> not to go ahead and do the root canal because the decay was so close to
> the nerve but at the time he had to give me almost triple the amount of
> Novocaine because every time he started to drill I would almost jump
> out of the chair.

My personal observation is that any tooth which takes more than two carpules
of anesthetic to get numb needs to be *evaluated* for the need to perform
RCT.  Unless the patient is very apprehensive, this can be a sign that the
tooth pulp is NOT healthy.

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>> > I had a filling put in one of my upper teeth about 2 years ago.  At the
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> the swelling.  He has me on a seven course of Cleocin.  I'm allergic to
> penicillin.
Steven Fawks - 21 Sep 2005 15:06 GMT
Two additional thoughts come to mind:

Some dentist use a 'poke and hope' anesthetic technique.

Clenchers often need extra anesthetic (which goes along
with the tooth being traumatized).

JME,
Fawks

>>    When he filled the tooth 2 years ago he really debated whether or
>>not to go ahead and do the root canal because the decay was so close to
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> RCT.  Unless the patient is very apprehensive, this can be a sign that the
> tooth pulp is NOT healthy.
Steven Bornfeld - 21 Sep 2005 03:29 GMT
>>>I had a filling put in one of my upper teeth about 2 years ago.  At the
>>>time my dentist said the tooth was "Hot".  Well last week I
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> the swelling.  He has me on a seven course of Cleocin.  I'm allergic to
> penicillin.

    Thanks for the clarification.
    BTW, the decrease in the swelling almost certainly has more to do with
the drainage at this point than the antibiotics.  When the pus flows out
like that the relief is almost immediate.

Good luck,
Steve

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djs0302@aol.com - 21 Sep 2005 04:01 GMT
> >>>I had a filling put in one of my upper teeth about 2 years ago.  At the
> >>>time my dentist said the tooth was "Hot".  Well last week I
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> Good luck,
> Steve

Thanks.
It really started to drain this afternoon.  Apparently the puncture
mark he made with the Novocaine needle was enough to cause the
infection in my cheek to drain into my upper lip and gum.  Now I have
this fleshy pocket under my upper lip and whenever I lift it to look at
my tooth all this dark red blood and pus (yuck!) starts flowing out.
I'm wondering should I leave it alone and let it drain naturally or
should I try to speed things along?
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 21 Sep 2005 15:02 GMT
> Thanks.
> It really started to drain this afternoon.  Apparently the puncture
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> I'm wondering should I leave it alone and let it drain naturally or
> should I try to speed things along?

    Rinsing with warm salt water, 1/2 tsp./8 oz. several times a day is a
good way to encourage drainage.  Don't stick your fingers or anything
else up there.

Steve

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Amatus Cremona - 21 Sep 2005 15:07 GMT
> Thanks.
> It really started to drain this afternoon.  Apparently the puncture
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> I'm wondering should I leave it alone and let it drain naturally or
> should I try to speed things along?

Dangerous to offer such advice over the internet!  If the swelling has
migrated, I would suggest having your dentist re-check it very soon.  Such
migration is not the result of the anesthetic needle.  Your dentist may wish
to place a "drain" in the tissues to ensure the complete drainage of the
pus.

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>> >>>I had a filling put in one of my upper teeth about 2 years ago.  At
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> I'm wondering should I leave it alone and let it drain naturally or
> should I try to speed things along?
Stovepipe - 23 Sep 2005 04:41 GMT
>      When he filled the tooth 2 years ago he really debated whether or
> not to go ahead and do the root canal because the decay was so close to
> the nerve but at the time he had to give me almost triple the amount of
> Novocaine because every time he started to drill I would almost jump
> out of the chair.  He ended up having to wait a good 15 minutes for the
> Novocaine to penetrate the bone.

This is what should have decided the treatment. This is a damaged nerve.
I have many patients like this, and I used to use the Laser on the tooth
to soothe it enough to finish a filling. No more. You're just pushing
the inevitable to a rediculous extreeme. (And the Laser is dead...)

If the same thing happens on my chair _today_ I say 'ROOT CANAL' to the
patient and if s/he is too cheap or disorganized to do it then, I have
it in the dossier that it is not because of _my_ negligence. I've even
had some of them sign that in the dossier as well.

SP
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W_B - 20 Sep 2005 20:54 GMT
>I had a filling put in one of my upper teeth about 2 years ago.  At the
>time my dentist said the tooth was "Hot".  Well last week I
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>he's hoping the antibiotic will take of it.  I hope so too.  The
>alternative doesn't sound too pleasant.

The only alternative is an extraction.

Hope your RCT goes well, most do these days.
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Joel M. Eichen - 21 Sep 2005 02:16 GMT
>I had a filling put in one of my upper teeth about 2 years ago.  At the
>time my dentist said the tooth was "Hot".  

This is kind of an old expression. Today we'd this is a rad tooth.
Sue - 21 Sep 2005 22:35 GMT
I had a filling put in one of my upper teeth about 2 years ago.  At the

>time my dentist said the tooth was "Hot".

This is kind of an old expression. Today we'd this is a rad tooth.

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I thought it was "gamma" tooth...  you know, gammas can be hot too.
 
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