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Stovepipe - 07 Sep 2005 01:55 GMT
Hey Gang!!!!

Not meaning to start any wars. It's just what I read on my home page
here:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0002%2F20050
825%2F1727673967.htm&ewp=ewp_news_0805tooth_decay

CDC says caries down 15 percent since previous decade and fluoride in
H2O, toothpaste is the reason.

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SP

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Peter Meiers - 07 Sep 2005 04:15 GMT
> Hey Gang!!!!
>
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> CDC says caries down 15 percent since previous decade and fluoride in
> H2O, toothpaste is the reason.

As the CDC says so it must be true :-(

"A study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found 42
percent of kids aged 6 to 19 had had a cavity or filling in their
permanent teeth when examined between 1999 and 2002, a 15-percent
decrease from the 1988-1994 period."

- well, I wonder what differences they would find if they´d examine the
same people two or three times successively in the same period (standard
deviations certainly greater than 15 percent, I bet).

- remember, those were different people (1988-94 vs 1999-2002). No
mention of differences in age distribution, race or gender. Same type of
nonsense statistics as once started by Dean. Forget it ...

Regards,
Peter
Stovepipe - 07 Sep 2005 04:27 GMT
> As the CDC says so it must be true :-(
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> Regards,
> Peter

Consider it forgotten.... :-/
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SP
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nyscof@gmail.com - 07 Sep 2005 13:52 GMT
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> Cheers
> SP

CDC Misleads Americans About Oral Health Improvements & Fluoride
Benefits

New York - August 29, 2005 -- The U.S. Centers for Disease Control
(CDC) distributed misleading information to Americans via their 8/25/05

press release, which claims increased tooth retention among older
adults, and less children's cavities (A). Actually, more recent CDC
statistics show adult tooth loss and preschoolers tooth decay rates
worsening despite widespread fluoride use.

The CDC report, highlighted in the 8/25 press release, "New Report
Finds Improvements in Oral Health of Americans," is based on two old
studies culled during years 1988-1994 and 1999-2002, which claims no
change in cavity rate in baby teeth of children, aged two - eleven
and less tooth loss in the elderly.

Actually, tooth loss in the over-65 crowd increased from 17.6% in 2002
(B) to 21.2% in 2004 (C), according to the CDC's own website.   And
cavity experience in two - four-year-olds is getting worse, according
to a 3/17/04 CDC "Oral Health Progress Review."  (D)

In 1945, dentists projected water fluoridation would create fluorosis
(discolored teeth) in 10% of the population in its mildest form -
white spots.  But now, according to the CDC, not only do 1/3 of six -
nineteen-year-olds suffer from fluoride overdose, but 4% of it is
severe fluorosis - yellow or brown stained and/or pitted or crumbly
teeth, which actually decays faster than healthy dentition.  Fluorosis
occurs more often in blacks (42% of blacks; see table 20) who also have

the highest tooth decay rates (43% of 2 - 11 year-olds).

"Since blacks have the most dental fluorosis and the most cavities,
if anything, this report shows fluoride is an ineffective cavity
fighter," says lawyer Paul Beeber, President, New York State
Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation. "We are appalled that government
officials take every opportunity to extol the virtues of fluoridation,
without the scientific evidence to back it up," says Beeber.

This CDC report didn't even attempt to link cavity rates with
fluoride use but CDC officials imply it does. The director of the
CDC's oral health division, Dr. William Maas told Reuters Health,
"This reduced decay in all ages is really a reflection of the
widespread availability of fluoride." (E)

Within minutes the American Dental Association (ADA) jumped on the
fluoridation bandwagon issuing a news release that says about the CDC
report, "It tells us that preventive measures such as dental sealants,
water fluoridation, regular dental visits and programs to promote good
oral hygiene practices are having a positive impact on the nation's
overall oral health." (F)

Actually the report proves none of the above. The ADA and CDC really
can't tell whether better diet, food fortification, better dental
care or something else caused a cavity decline. Maybe it was just
creative math.

If fluoridation is truly responsible for a cavity decline, one would
expect decay rates to be lower in more highly fluoridated states.  But
that's not the case. However, cavity rates are associated with low
income (G)
For example, CDC statistics show that:

Despite a 60% fluoridation rate, Arkansas has the most third-graders
suffering with tooth decay (72%) and the highest number of poor
children (45%)

Oklahoma third-graders endure the second worst cavity rate (69%) even
though 3/4 of the state is fluoridated. But 41% are poor, the second
poorest state on the CDC's list.

Similarly, 89% fluoridated South Dakota reveals the third worst decay
rate (68%) where 41% are poor.

At the low end:

Massachusetts, Maine and Vermont third-graders have the least decay -
49%, 45% and 44%, respectively, and the smallest amount of poor
children (26%, 32% and 31%), Fluoridation rates: 63%, 75%, and 54%,
respectively.

While the ADA and CDC brag about fluoridation, tooth decay crises are
taking place in most, if not all, large U.S. fluoridated cities. (H)

Tooth decay has become the new American caste system, according to
best-selling author Malcolm Gladwell who writes in the New Yorker that
rotted teeth are the single most common complaint of America's
uninsured which keeps them in bad jobs, bad health, eating bad diets
and generally keeping them down. (I) One hundred and eight million
Americans lack dental insurance.

Two poor-diet-related diseases, cavities and obesity, go up as income
goes down.(J)

The states with the most obese residents have the highest rates of
tooth loss despite higher rates of water fluoridation. The leaner
states enjoy less tooth loss and lower fluoridation rates. (K)

"Tooth loss is a result of a poor diet and lack of dental care and
has nothing to do with fluoride ingestion," says Beeber.  "Fluoride
added to water supplies is linked to cancer, bone damage, thyroid
dysfunction, kidney problems and damaged teeth," says Beeber. "We
join with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Employees Unions
asking for a moratorium on water fluoridation." (L)

                               END

References:

http://groups.google.com/group/Fluoridation-News-Releases/browse_frm/thread/f931
c30e9a299ca9/29641f98384876ee#29641f98384876ee

Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 13:59 GMT
Thanks for the article.

It almost looks official. Do you mind telling us who wrote the article
and if it were published anywhere other than the internet?

Joel

>*+On 7 Sep 2005 05:52:43 -0700, nyscof@gmail.com wrote:

>> Hey Gang!!!!
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nyscof@gmail.com - 07 Sep 2005 20:44 GMT
> Thanks for the article.
>
> It almost looks official. Do you mind telling us who wrote the article
> and if it were published anywhere other than the internet?
>
> Joel

What's the criteria for an article to be "official."
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 01:22 GMT
>> Thanks for the article.
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>
>What's the criteria for an article to be "official."

An embossed stamp on it?
Stovepipe - 10 Sep 2005 21:43 GMT
> Actually, tooth loss in the over-65 crowd increased from 17.6% in 2002
> (B) to 21.2% in 2004 (C), according to the CDC's own website.   And
> cavity experience in two - four-year-olds is getting worse, according
> to a 3/17/04 CDC "Oral Health Progress Review."  (D)

Hey nyscof, do you have a personal involvement with this stuff (as in
damaged teeth from fluorosis or something like that)?

I'M only asking because you seem to know this stuff quite well.

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SP

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nyscof@gmail.com - 11 Sep 2005 11:27 GMT
No it's just a hobby

New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, INc
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