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nogggin - 07 Sep 2005 01:42 GMT
I am considering chelation therapy using alpha lipoic acid and possibly
oral dmsa. I am going to have all of the amalgam fillings in my teeth
removed before doing so. I have however recently had a titanium dental
implant done. Does anyone have any experience with chelating a person
with titanium in their mouth? Is it a bad idea to chelate with
titanium, as it is with mercury? Will the chelating agents act on the
titanium, causing redistribution, in the same way that they do mercury?
Joel344 - 07 Sep 2005 01:55 GMT
You wrote,

nogggin I am considering chelation therapy using alpha lipoic acid an
possibly
oral dmsa.

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Hi Nog,

I wouldn't try to stop you ......

I am going to have all of the amalgam fillings in my teeth
removed before doing so. I have however recently had a titanium dental
implant done. Does anyone have any experience with chelating a person
with titanium in their mouth?

Nope.

Is it a bad idea to chelate with
titanium, as it is with mercury? Will the chelating agents act on the
titanium, causing redistribution, in the same way that they d
mercury?

I dunno

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Joel34
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 09:04 GMT
Yo Nogster,

Unfortunately you have little idea how chelation works. We dentists
do.

For example a calcified root canal space needs to be cleared. We force
some EDTA (brand name RC-Prep) down into the canal, swish it up and
down a bit and it CHELATES out the calcium from the mineral that is
obturating the space.

EDTA is a quaternery ammonium compound that is useful as chelation
product. Now tell me more about what you are trying to do?

Joel M. Eichen DDS

Joel

>You wrote,
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>I dunno.
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 10:51 GMT
Ethylene diamine tetraacetate!

>Yo Nogster,
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>>I dunno.
nogggin - 08 Sep 2005 00:01 GMT
> Now tell me more about what you are trying to do?

Thank you for responding to my post.

I'm trying to rid my brain of mercury, most of which was more than
likely deposited there from vaccines. I have aspergers. I have four
children, three of whom are affected to varying degrees by thimerosal
in their vaccines. I have read much on the matter and I do believe that
chelation would benefit me, as well as my children, although I am less
inclined to seek treatment for them than I am for myself. Unfortunately
I have a health care plan which covers only traditional medical
doctors, who are told what to believe and what to say and what to treat
and how by the medical organizations which are funded by the
pharmaceutical companies which poisoned me to begin with. And so, I'm
left to deal with the matter on my own. Faced with a lack of any
information regarding how my titanium implant might react to chelating
agents commonly used for lead and mercury chelation, I have no choice
of course but to assume that I will cause myself more harm thru self
treatment. I knew somebody years and years ago who had a young daughter
who was being treated for lead poisoning. She got worse during the
treatment, and he found out during the process that it was due to her
amalgam fillings not having been removed prior to treatment.
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 01:22 GMT
>> Now tell me more about what you are trying to do?
>
>Thank you for responding to my post.
>
>I'm trying to rid my brain of mercury, most of which was more than
>likely deposited there from vaccines. I have aspergers.

Sorry I cannot help. There is but one person who continues to help
people about mercury. Perhaps she will answer your questions.

Joel M. Eichen DDS

> I have four
>children, three of whom are affected to varying degrees by thimerosal
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>treatment, and he found out during the process that it was due to her
>amalgam fillings not having been removed prior to treatment.
nogggin - 08 Sep 2005 12:52 GMT
>Sorry I cannot help. There is but one person who continues to help
>people about mercury. Perhaps she will answer your questions.

And who would that be?
Joel344 - 08 Sep 2005 13:00 GMT
Her name is Jan Drew but she also posts under LadyLollipop.

I have loads of information about chemistry, biochemistry and nutritio
and consider myself an expert on these subjects both through academi
study and general interest, but I am declining to comment on thi
public board as this is primarily dentistry.

Joel M. Eichen DDS

Joe

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Joel34
Amatus Cremona - 08 Sep 2005 12:39 GMT
> I'm trying to rid my brain of mercury, most of which was more than
> likely deposited there from vaccines. I have aspersers. I have four
> children, three of whom are affected to varying degrees by thimerosal
> in their vaccines. I have read much on the matter and I do believe that
> chelation would benefit me, as well as my children, although I am less
> inclined to seek treatment for them than I am for myself.

I figured you were not serious

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> treatment, and he found out during the process that it was due to her
> amalgam fillings not having been removed prior to treatment.
CWatters - 09 Sep 2005 08:06 GMT
> > Now tell me more about what you are trying to do?
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> in their vaccines. I have read much on the matter and I do believe that
> chelation would benefit me, as well as my children,

Just take care...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05237/559756.stm
CWatters - 09 Sep 2005 08:10 GMT
>  I knew somebody years and years ago who had a young daughter
> who was being treated for lead poisoning. She got worse during the
> treatment, and he found out during the process that it was due to her
> amalgam fillings not having been removed prior to treatment.

That was convenient. It couldn't possibly be an adverse reaction to the
chelation treatment could it so lets blame the fillings.
Sdores - 09 Sep 2005 12:38 GMT
     Sorry I can't seem to get it off center and post it like normal.  I
thought this might be useful to the original poster.  Thank you Peter for
bringing this to everyone's attention.  (this was posted to another board) I
hope this is helpful. UM MOM Susan

     http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05237/559756.stm

     Boy dies during autism treatment
     Thursday, August 25, 2005

     By Karen Kane and Virginia Linn, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

     A 5-year-old autistic boy died Tuesday in a Butler County doctor's
office while undergoing an increasingly popular though controversial medical
treatment touted by some as a cure for the lifelong neurological and
developmental disorder.

     Abubakar Tariq Nadama died while receiving chelation therapy, an
intravenous injection of a synthetic amino acid that latches onto heavy
metals and is then passed in the urine.

     State police at Butler are investigating Nadama's death, which
occurred at about 10:50 a.m. Tuesday in the office of Dr. Roy Eugene Kerry
in Portersville.

     Authorities said Kerry's office reported that the child was receiving
an IV treatment for lead poisoning when he went into cardiac arrest.

     The boy was being treated with EDTA, or ethylene diamine tetraacetic
acid, which has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration for use
only after blood tests confirm acute heavy-metal poisoning.

     Exposure to heavy metals, especially mercury, has been linked by some
researchers as a contributing cause to autism. Removing those metals, they
believe, can improve a child's condition. The theory is a matter of dispute
among scientists and within the autism community.

     A family friend said the boy and his mother, Marwa, who are from
England, moved here in the spring, specifically to receive chelation
therapy, and were living in Monroeville.

     In the autism community, the use of chelation as a way to detoxify
environmental contaminants in children has exploded since 2000 as more and
more families have reported miraculous improvements and even cures. But
skeptics in the community say they fear the procedure is at best risky and
possibly lethal.

     "It was just a matter of time before something like this would
happen," said Howard Carpenter, executive director of the Advisory Board on
Autism-Related Disorders.

     "Parents of children with autism are desperate. Some are willing to
try anything," he said.

     "I can't sit there and endorse it as a viable treatment. It's not
something published in peer review journals and studies," said Dr. Gary
Swanson, a child psychiatrist at Allegheny General Hospital who works with
autism patients. "It's probably a quack kind of medicine."

     If the child's death is tied to chelation therapy, it would be the
first associated with the procedure since the 1950s, said Dr. Ralph Miranda
of Greensburg. Miranda is the former president of the American College for
Advancement in Medicine, a group that sets clinical practice and education
standards for chelation and other, similar therapies.

     Chelation can be administered through pills, skin creams or other
transdermal methods, nasal sprays, sauna baths and intravenously. Miranda
said it is unusual to give a young child IV treatments unless he has an
extremely high level of heavy metals.

     He said although EDTA is a "very safe drug" he usually administers an
oral form of chelation drugs to children to remove toxins because pills are
safer. It does, however, take longer to remove the toxins with the pills.

     "There are people out there suggesting using the IV to get faster
results. I'm not," he said.

     Marwa Nadama said yesterday she did not want to comment except to say
that she is not blaming chelation for her son's death, at least not at this
point.

     "Let's wait until we have the results of the autopsy," she said.

     An autopsy conducted yesterday on the child's body by the Allegheny
County coroner's office was inconclusive. Results on the cause and manner of
death are pending additional testing which could take up to five months to
complete, authorities said.

     Kerry, who is a board-certified physician and surgeon, advertises
himself as an ear, nose and throat specialist, dealing with allergies and
environmental medicine. He operates out of offices in Greenville and
Portersville under the name Advanced Integrative Medicine Center Inc. Kerry
did not return calls to his offices yesterday.

     Doctors affiliated with the National Institutes of Mental Health and
American Academy of Pediatrics do not endorse the use of chelation therapy
to remove heavy metals for autism. Such drugs used in the process can cause
liver and kidney damage and other problems.

     Cindy Waeltermann, director of the Pittsburgh-based national advocacy
group AutismLink, issued a statement to members yesterday warning that
caution needs to be used as parents seek help for their autistic children.

     "Please, before you try any new therapies, we urge you to research the
physician, the methods, and the safety. Some of these therapies are quite
dangerous. We're not telling you what to do, we're just urging you to use
caution. We all do what we think is best for our children, and sometimes we
are desperate. While we've heard stories of chelation success, it is
definitely a dangerous process," Waelterman wrote.

     She said parents on her group's online forum have referred to Kerry as
a known practitioner of chelation therapy.

     News of the death soared across the autism community yesterday,
alarming proponents and foes of the treatment.

     "It's just terrible. My heart is just dying for the family," said J.B.
Handley of San Francisco, who helped found Generation Rescue, an
international advocacy program for the use of biomedical treatments that
include chelation therapy to help autistic children.

     He claims his son Jamison, now 3, has dramatically improved since
undergoing chelation therapy to remove mercury, the metal most associated
with autism because of its presence in some childhood vaccines. He and his
wife launched their international group in May.

     He said that, in 2000, perhaps a dozen autistic children were treated
with chelation therapy. This year, it's more than 10,000.
Amatus Cremona - 07 Sep 2005 14:17 GMT
>I am considering chelation therapy using alpha lipoic acid and possibly
> oral dmsa

I don't suppose you want a serious reply

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>I am considering chelation therapy using alpha lipoic acid and possibly
> oral dmsa. I am going to have all of the amalgam fillings in my teeth
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> titanium, as it is with mercury? Will the chelating agents act on the
> titanium, causing redistribution, in the same way that they do mercury?
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 14:29 GMT
>>I am considering chelation therapy using alpha lipoic acid and possibly
>> oral dmsa
>
>I don't suppose you want a serious reply

REPLY

Sadly, these chelation folks are very serious .......
W_B - 07 Sep 2005 19:34 GMT
>>>I am considering chelation therapy using alpha lipoic acid and possibly
>>> oral dmsa
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>
>Sadly, these chelation folks are very serious .......

Yes, seriously relieved of excess funds.
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W_B
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