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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / September 2005dental costs in the netherlands compared to the us
Dear readers I see ur all talking in thousands of dollars for dental treatments I dont understand how this can be so expensive. In the netherlands prices are fixed per treatment, every dentist charges the same per treatment Some examples: One side filling: 30 euro's Two side filling 40 euro's Root canal 180 euro's How does this compare to the u.s. dentists? And why are they so expensive? > One side filling: 30 euro's > Two side filling 40 euro's > Root canal 180 euro's You are talking about state subsidized dentistry, I think. I'm not so sure your dentists are putting in the best filling materials, as those tend to be more expensive than national health services can afford to pay. We have the same thing here in Quebec for welfare recipients. The state will only subsidize amalgam fillings for the posterior teeth. In the USA as in Canada, the paying patient must find the best combination of dental care vs price, as we don't have to stay within the recommeded price list. Cheers SP  SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply If some people are paying in euros .... what materials do we use? ANSWER: We send them "packing." >> One side filling: 30 euro's >> Two side filling 40 euro's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Cheers >SP >Dear readers I see ur all talking in thousands of dollars for dental >treatments I dont understand how this can be so expensive. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >How does this compare to the u.s. dentists? And why are they so expensive? We charge 30 or 40 euros too but if the patient is out of euros then we up the ante to thousands of American dollars. Joel Joel M. Eichen Wrote: > We charge 30 or 40 euros too but if the patient is out of euros then > we up the ante to thousands of American dollars. > > Joel My dentist accepts payment in cash, check, Visa / Mastercard... and as of late, super unleaded :^( Signaturebillkatz Hans Post: Dear readers I see ur all talking in thousands of dollars for dental treatments I dont understand how this can be so expensive. In the netherlands prices are fixed per treatment, every dentist charges the same per treatment Some examples: One side filling: 30 euro's Two side filling 40 euro's Root canal 180 euro's How does this compare to the u.s. dentists? And why are they so expensive? Flap's Reply: Han's how does your government participate in paying for dentistry? Flap http://flapsblog.com A cou ple of people offered me euros but I kicked them out before doing the work. Joe -- Joel34 My undertsanding is that we have 3 levels of treatment in the U.S. cheap ----> extractio moderate ----> amalga expensive ----> Cere Just kidding around -Su -- Su I saw a guy standing around Wal-Mart with a sign around his neck ..... I do amalgams for euros ........ SignatureJoel344 >Joel M. Eichen Wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >My dentist accepts payment in cash, check, Visa / Mastercard... and as >of late, super unleaded :^( I can't even guess how much it costs to fill a Hummer ........ >>Joel M. Eichen Wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I can't even guess how much it costs to fill a Hummer ........ $20 ... Oh Wait ! I thought you sait *get*... -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >Joel M. Eichen Wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >My dentist accepts payment in cash, check, Visa / Mastercard... and as >of late, super unleaded :^( A gallon of gasoline is still cheaper than an 8 oz. double latte. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:19:19 GMT, billkatz <billthe...@hotmail.com> wrote: >Joel M. Eichen Wrote: >> We charge 30 or 40 euros too but if the patient is out of euros then >> we up the ante to thousands of American dollars. >> Joel >My dentist accepts payment in cash, check, Visa / Mastercard... and as >of late, super unleaded :^( A gallon of gasoline is still cheaper than an 8 oz. double latte. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubb...@RBAGEyahoo.com Flap' s Reply: And the cost of DBA Denin Bonding Agent by the gallon is mucho mucho expensive? Can you imagine buying it this way? Flap http://flapsblog.com >On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:19:19 GMT, billkatz <billthe...@hotmail.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >A gallon of gasoline is still cheaper than an 8 oz. double latte. But the double latte will take you farther than the gallon of gas! >>On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:19:19 GMT, billkatz <billthe...@hotmail.com> >>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >But the double latte will take you farther than the gallon of gas! Have never tried putting double latte in the gas tank. How many MPG ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I had a 1946 Willys Jeep at one time that would virtually run on kerosene. Signature/ Amatus / > >>>On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:19:19 GMT, billkatz <billthe...@hotmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >I had a 1946 Willys Jeep at one time that would virtually run on kerosene. They got crazy busses that run on McDonald's vegetable oil. > We charge 30 or 40 euros too but if the patient is out of euros then > we up the ante to thousands of American dollars. If Bush keeps borrowing to fund his spending plans that might be the real exchange rate soon. business On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:21:10 +0200, "Hans" <dont@mail.com> wrote: >Dear readers I see ur all talking in thousands of dollars for dental >treatments I dont understand how this can be so expensive. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >How does this compare to the u.s. dentists? And why are they so expensive? I would say 10 x higher here. WHY? because there is not free hand of the market. Dental (and medical) lobbies drive and keep prices artificially high. ~~~~~ One solution some Americans are going for is to leave the United States for dental or medical treatments. Medical procedures elsewhere cost, let's say 1/3 what they do here and it's combined w/ a vacation. (I know India wants to become numer 1 for this type of thing.) Americans find the quality of medical expertise, care, service higher than their greatest expectations. One example I know in person is my 92 yr old aunts neighbor, who went to Mexico for extensive dental work. Not sure what he had done, maybe veneers, or cosmetic type work. She says the work is beautifully done and the hotel they arranged for him was also excellent. The flight there round trip probably only cost him $1OO or so. He was extremely pleased w/ the entire experience. He did not find the quality or service to be inferior. > I would say 10 x higher here. > WHY? because there is not free hand of the market. > Dental (and medical) lobbies drive and keep prices artificially > high. Please explain further. What laws have the dental and medical lobbies forced down our throats that are driving up costs? All I can think of offhand is the state professional licensing systems, but I see no great groundswell of support for unlcensed medicine and dentistry and (at least where I live) I see no shortage of practictioners. Vaughn | > I would say 10 x higher here. | > WHY? because there is not free hand of the market. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | Vaughn I can name a few. Licence and other mandatory fees, mandatory insurance, Mandatory CE. Tack that onto other mandatory fees associated with running a business. SignatureRoy I agree Roy. The CE is outrageously funny by the way! Its the small payoff to the manufacturers of dental devices. Joel >| > I would say 10 x higher here. >| > WHY? because there is not free hand of the market. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Mandatory CE. Tack that onto other mandatory fees associated with running a >business. >business On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:21:10 +0200, "Hans" <dont@mail.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >the United States for dental or medical treatments. >Medical procedures elsewhere cost, REPLY Do you have any information about dental clinics in Costa Rica? W_B who is a regular poster here has been begging people to please post some links to Costa Rican dental clinics but so far we haven't had any ....... well, very few anyway. Joel > let's say 1/3 >what they do here and it's combined w/ a vacation. >(I know India wants to become numer 1 for this type of thing.) >Americans find the quality of medical expertise, care, service higher >than their greatest expectations. The only additional expense is bringing your own bottled water ...... >One example I know in person is my 92 yr old aunts neighbor, who went >to Mexico for extensive dental work. Not sure what he had done, maybe [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >or so. He was extremely pleased w/ the entire experience. >He did not find the quality or service to be inferior. Was that the guy who stopped off at the naked beach at Club Med and got arrested for defacing the scenery? JME's Post: REPLY Do you have any information about dental clinics in Costa Rica? W_B who is a regular poster here has been begging people to please post some links to Costa Rican dental clinics but so far we haven't had any ....... well, very few anyway. Joel > let's say 1/3 >what they do here and it's combined w/ a vacation. >(I know India wants to become numer 1 for this type of thing.) >Americans find the quality of medical expertise, care, service higher >than their greatest expectations. The only additional expense is bringing your own bottled water ...... >One example I know in person is my 92 yr old aunts neighbor, who went >to Mexico for extensive dental work. Not sure what he had done, maybe [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >or so. He was extremely pleased w/ the entire experience. >He did not find the quality or service to be inferior. Was that the guy who stopped off at the naked beach at Club Med and got arrested for defacing the scenery? Flap's Reply: How to Get Your Teeth Fixed in Mexico: http://flapsblog.com/?p=692 I would be careful. Some of the treatment there is not to USA standards, despite the visit accomodations. Flap http://flapsblog.com >I would be careful. > >Some of the treatment there is not to USA standards, despite the visit >accomodations. Like I said, he had no complaints about any aspects of the treatment, including the quality of the work. >I would be careful. > >Some of the treatment there is not to USA standards, despite the visit >accomodations. I would be careful. Some of the treatment in the USA is not of a high standard, despite the high cost. >Flap's Reply: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >http://flapsblog.com REPLY Flap's article is great (with pictures too!). Here is one of Flap's links .......... in the article: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/12/20/121018/65 Flap: Where are the photos from? They are not with the original article. Joel >>Flap's Reply: >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/12/20/121018/65 >Was that the guy who stopped off at the naked beach at Club Med and >got arrested for defacing the scenery? Hey! Keep your perv flashbacks to yourself. >Was that the guy who stopped off at the naked beach at Club Med and >got arrested for defacing the scenery? He is retired military, married to a psychologist. >>Was that the guy who stopped off at the naked beach at Club Med and >>got arrested for defacing the scenery? > >He is retired military, married to a psychologist. Yup, same guy! 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