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Joel344 - 28 Aug 2005 10:56 GMT
Nice work Justin. The new look and the
new organizational headers are superb!

Joe

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Joel34
letsconnect - 28 Aug 2005 12:41 GMT
Joel344 Wrote:
> Nice work Justin. The new look and the
> new organizational headers are superb!
>  
Ditto!! I love the new look, it's much cleaner again compared to the
last overhaul (which was a massive improvement already). Great work!

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Joel344 - 28 Aug 2005 13:25 GMT
YUP, to demonstrate what we are talking about, here are some of the
other forums with the last post entered into that forum:

Key

Forum name
Thread Title
by_author_ and _date_ and _time_
posts ..... and views

NOTE:

DentalCom.Net > Main Forum > Dental Talk at SMD >

..would be one more under this listing .... see below its listed:

Dental Talk at SMD (1 Viewing)
sci.med.dentistry discussions.  Re: What's better?...
by clintonz@prodigy.net Today 07:40 AM  
156 2,075

This means 156 threads and 2.075 views (in addittion to
non-DentalCom.Net views, of course)

**

Joel

Anesthesiology
Local Anesthesia, Oral Conscious Sedation, IV Sedation, General
Anesthesia  Pediatric Oral Conscious...
by Sue 08-24-2005 05:11 PM  
6 63

Cariology
Cariology, Caries Detection  Fluoride Conundrum (?)
by Joel344 06-26-2005 09:57 PM  
14 81

Case Presentation
Post your Active Cases here!  Veneer case to close...
by Joel344 08-10-2005 04:15 PM  
11 84

Continuing Education
Continuing Education Courses and Events  Aloha Meeting
by rat 08-22-2005 02:55 PM  
29 132

Cosmetic Dentistry
Resin Bonding Products & Techniques, Cosmetic Bleaching/Whitening,
Porcelain/Composite Veneers/Laminates  Reattaching tooth...
by Joel344 08-06-2005 05:25 AM  
42 296

Dental Controversies
Argue Controversial Dental Topics  Ozone
by alexdds 08-09-2005 01:52 AM  
132 657

Dental Equipment
Computer and Software, Digital Imaging, Laser Dentistry  DentSim
(Dental...
by Joel344 Yesterday 08:51 PM  
206 1,138

Dental Practice Demographics   SMD Statistics January -...
by ambergambler 07-21-2005 07:25 AM  
22 90

Dental Students (1 Viewing)
DDS and DMD student topics Including The Student Lounge  Need some
answers...
by Joel344 08-12-2005 08:41 PM  
12 81

Dental Talk at SMD (1 Viewing)
sci.med.dentistry discussions.  Re: What's better?...
by clintonz@prodigy.net Today 07:40 AM  
156 2,075

Endodontics
Endo files  Sergenti N2
by barry1818 07-05-2005 02:44 AM  
5 23

Implantology (1 Viewing)
Nobel Biocare Bicon, IMTEC -- Mini Implants  Bicon implants
by rat 07-25-2005 01:32 AM  
9 47

Laboratories
Dental Laboratories   In Office Denture Repair
by barry1818 05-31-2005 03:55 PM  
7 37

Miscellaneous
Associations, Insurance Companies, Legal, etc.  Question for Sleuths
by letsconnect Yesterday 09:18 AM  
906 5,826

News
News Related to Dentristy  :: Get Them Out Of That...
by barry1818 08-23-2005 01:08 PM  
574 1,528

Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery   Implant Problems
by Joel344 06-26-2005 10:02 PM  
11 59

Orthodontics (1 Viewing)   Analysis For Orthodontic...
by Joel344 03-28-2005 06:27 AM  
4 27

Pediatric Dentistry   Educational Materials
by Joel344 06-27-2005 03:27 PM  
3 11

Periodontics   Teeth...
by Joel344 08-18-2005 04:02 PM  
10 51

Practice Management
Practice Management  No more muffin runs
by Joel344 08-08-2005 11:16 PM  
74 364

Staff
Dental Assistants and Hygienists  help
by Joel344 08-11-2005 01:33 PM  
41 299

TMD/Occlusion   PATIENT: I am...
by Joel344 05-23-2005 07:22 PM  
8 36

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billkatz - 28 Aug 2005 14:21 GMT
Ditto here. The board looks great, Justin! :)

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billkat
Administrator - 28 Aug 2005 15:56 GMT
Thanks guys... I like the new look too. I got the color idea from
dentists adidas... I liked the scheme they were sporting, so I figure
it would look good here.

As far as seperating the searches, the dc topics menu will show al
posts except from forum number 94... Thats the Dentaltalk at SMD forum

The SMD Topic menu will only show posts from forum 94

I just wanted it this way to see what happens. Plus I wanted to see ho
easy it was. It was pretty easy

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Administrato

A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
Certified Technicia
Justin Shafe
Onsite Dental System
Fort Worth, TX
817909422

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Sue - 28 Aug 2005 16:05 GMT
Wah!  I liked the blue better.Just kidding .  It looks great.  I lik
the default being a
larger type too. (At least that seems to have
changed as well)

Thanks Justin for all of your efforts.
This place is great!  -Su

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Su
Administrator - 28 Aug 2005 17:12 GMT
Yeah... My eyesite isnt what it used to be. I need to buy some glasses
From leaning way back in my seat, I can read the text a little easier
Now I know how you felt!!! I was thinking about you when I increase
the font size. One reason is that Internet Explorer doesnt seem to b
able to raise the text size, while mozilla can. So for a technica
reason, I decided to use that as an excuse to raise the size. For th
IE people.

Wink.
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Administrato

A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
Certified Technicia
Justin Shafe
Onsite Dental System
Fort Worth, TX
817909422

' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Aug 2005 12:15 GMT
It looks awsome at http and of course, still very good at nttp.

(Forte Free Agent, not any of the look-alikes out there!)

WHAT is the difference, one asks?

A reader client is analogous to our RSS-Readers .......
When I hit SEND it will be posted within milliseconds!

This is why the die-hards love newsreaders. http uses
TCP/IP sending IP packets. With nntp, no such animal.
BOOM! Its there.

Joel

>Yeah... My eyesite isnt what it used to be. I need to buy some glasses.
>From leaning way back in my seat, I can read the text a little easier.
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>Wink..
>=)
Joel344 - 29 Aug 2005 12:21 GMT
Joel M. Eichen wrote,

It looks awsome at http and of course, still very good at nttp.

(Forte Free Agent, not any of the look-alikes out there!)

WHAT is the difference, one asks?

A reader client is analogous to our RSS-Readers .......
When I hit SEND it will be posted within milliseconds!

This is why the die-hards love newsreaders. http uses
TCP/IP sending IP packets. With nntp, no such animal.
BOOM! Its there.

Joel

ADDED at DentalCom.net:

Here's the image ...... notice the typo
that I spotted after grabbing this image ......
I corrected before hitting SEND .......

This shows a newsreader view for those
who may be interested:

.

[image: http://tinypic.com/be7cpi.jpg]

.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:12:35 GMT, Administrator
<Administrator@DentalCom.net> wrote:

>Yeah... My eyesite isnt what it used to be. I need to buy som
glasses.
>From leaning way back in my seat, I can read the text a littl
easier.
>Now I know how you felt!!! I was thinking about you when I increased
>the font size. One reason is that Internet Explorer doesnt seem to be
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Wink..
>=

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Joel34
Dr. Steve - 06 Sep 2005 20:26 GMT
>Thanks guys... I like the new look too. I got the color idea from a
>dentists adidas... I liked the scheme they were sporting, so I figured
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>=)

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What is above the line is all I get on a newsgroup viewer.  Agent
clips the sig line on a reply copy; I did see the full sig line of
Justin and his various URL's on the actual message.   Whatever message
this is a reply to is not displayed.  The above quote makes zero sense
taken out of context of the coversation it is part of.  To see the
message this is a reply to requires me to mark the "read" messages as
"unread".  I then end up with 2709 messages to plow through looking
for this message thread again.  After I find it, I have no way of
knowing what messages I have already read and which I have not yet
read.  So, I have to work back throgh 2708 messages, or mark them all
as "read" and skip any threads I had not finished reading yet.  

Does this make it any easier for Sue to understand why we are not
thrilled to share space with DC?  It has nothing to do with the
people, only with how the messages display.

Oh, and Justin, I had some really good lentil soup in Maryland
yesterday.  But,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I don't know the soup you keep asking us
to sample.  Do you have a recipe?
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Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Joel M. Eichen - 06 Sep 2005 22:33 GMT
REPLY

Steve I see this as the thread you just entered is nested under the
original which reads,

Nice work Justin. The new look and the
new organizational headers are superb!

Joel

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Joel344

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So are you using an unnested format for Forte Free Agent?

Joel

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>>Thanks guys... I like the new look too. I got the color idea from a
>>dentists adidas... I liked the scheme they were sporting, so I figured
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>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Dr. Steve - 06 Sep 2005 23:02 GMT
>REPLY
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Joel

I am set up to read newsgroups on Agent by thread.  The oldest thread
is displayed at the top and the newest at the bottom of the screen.  I
prefer to have the thread expanded immediately upon downloading of the
messages.  I, also, have the software set to hide all read messages.
So,,,,,,,,,,,, I only see what I have not yet read.  

Exactly what you mean by "un-nested" ,,,,,,,,,,, I am not certain.

As a matter of fact, I prefer it if people top-post, as I only will
have to scroll down if I need information on what was said previously.
Bottom posting to long message threads which have not been snipped,
require too much time to get to the new message.

Ask you Admin-Justin fellow to try logging in with a newsgroup server
so that he can see what we are complaining about.  Perhaps he can stop
sipping his soup long enough to figure out why we don't like the DC
gateway.  

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Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Joel M. Eichen - 06 Sep 2005 23:24 GMT
I agree about top posting. It saves my left mouse button!

Nested means what you are referring to as "under the original." I
missed that you are hiding the original threads although you did tell
us that before.

I will try to reproduce what you mentioned and I wil ltry to get
MS-Outhouse up and running to see how Carabelli sees threads. In the
end, some suggestions will be highly appreciated.

Joel

>>REPLY
>>
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>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Administrator - 07 Sep 2005 00:55 GMT
Ok. I installed free agent by forte. I set it up to display all posts
read or unread, display it. I set it too sort the messages by thread
newest first. And I set it to expand all messages

With this setup, I started reading some older posts. I noticed peopl
from DC, werent quoting any prior message to reply to. So they ar
basically replying to a thread with a new post without any quotes o
any information from the message they are replying too

The reason why this is, because its easy to follow on the site. Th
site has a "quote button" If you want to reply to a post, that butto
should be used so it wont confuse people. When I created this pos
right now, I hit the quote button. That creates all the older messag
info at the bottom so you guys have an idea of what message I a
replying to.

Another problem I noticed with free agent is that if you sorte
everything by newest thread first, it works, but the thread itself i
organized by oldest to newest, and it looks like it cannot be changed
in this view. But if you have read all the messages, and your view i
set to "not show read messages and only show unread messages", the
this shouldn't be a problem because you wont see the old message
anyways

So I think the biggest problem is users posting to SMD, without hittin
the quote button

Organizing it by newest messages first, and not by newest thread first
seems to be the only way to sort the list by new messages first, even i
you havent read them

Of course, then you loose organization by not having it sorted b
thread first

I would like to see sorting by the thread with the newest message
first, and the messages inside the thread be organized by newest t
oldest, even if you have it set to display all messages, unread an
read.   Maybe I missed that

One thing is for sure, agent has a lot of options. I still like x-news

Joel M. Eichen Wrote:
> I agree about top posting. It saves my left mouse button
>
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> >Stephen (What's a temporary?
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Administrato
Administrator - 07 Sep 2005 00:59 GMT
Corrections.

Administrator Wrote:
> Ok. I installed free agent by forte. I set it up to display all posts,
> read or unread, display it. I set it too sort the messages by thread,
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> One thing is for sure, agent has a lot of options. I still like x-news.

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Dr. Steve - 07 Sep 2005 16:00 GMT
Now set Agent to hide all read messages, and you will see that the
postings from DC make zero sense the second time you visit the NG.
(Regardless of how you set up Agent to disply the thread--oldes or
newst first).   Once the rest of the thread is not there,,,,,,,,,, the
DC postings look like someone talking to themselves in abusy hallway.

>Ok. I installed free agent by forte. I set it up to display all posts,
>read or unread, display it. I set it too sort the messages by thread,
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>> >Stephen (What's a temporary?)
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Administrator - 07 Sep 2005 16:47 GMT
Ok. I set agent to display only new messages, and hide all read
messages. I then marked everything in SMD as read so that agents view
looks completly empty.

I will watch the threads that people from dc post too and see what
happens. The first thread I will get to look at is this one right here.

I am interested to know, and the soup has gone dry.

Dr. Steve Wrote:
> Now set Agent to hide all read messages, and you will see that the
> postings from DC make zero sense the second time you visit the NG.
[quoted text clipped - 103 lines]
> Stephen (What's a temporary?)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Administrator - 07 Sep 2005 16:51 GMT
Administrator Wrote:
> Ok. I set agent to display only new messages, and hide all rea
> messages. I then marked everything in SMD as read so that agents vie
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I am interested to know, and the soup has gone dry.
How does it look dr. steve

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Administrato
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 17:47 GMT
Where do you hide messages ... I can't find it!

Joel

>Now set Agent to hide all read messages, and you will see that the
>postings from DC make zero sense the second time you visit the NG.
[quoted text clipped - 91 lines]
>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr. Steve - 07 Sep 2005 15:57 GMT
>I will try to reproduce what you mentioned and I wil ltry to get
>MS-Outhouse up and running to see how Carabelli sees threads. In the
>end, some suggestions will be highly appreciated.

Suggestion:    log onto a newsgroup server and access the NG in a
normal fashion.
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Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 17:48 GMT
>>I will try to reproduce what you mentioned and I wil ltry to get
>>MS-Outhouse up and running to see how Carabelli sees threads. In the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Does this imnply that people who do not log on in a normal fashion are
not normal?

Joel
Roy Brown - 07 Sep 2005 06:33 GMT
I agree.

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Roy
rem NADA to reply

"Dr. Steve" <Drsteve@hammer.com> wrote in |

| As a matter of fact, I prefer it if people top-post, as I only will
| have to scroll down if I need information on what was said previously.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
| Stephen (What's a temporary?)
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 08:39 GMT
Roy's being very agreeable ..... thanks.

Joel

>I agree.
 
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