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Mercury-Free Bandwagon Gathers Pace
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Keith P Walsh - 25 Aug 2005 06:50 GMT A Google search for "mercury-free dentist" gets a lot of hits these days.
Two professional looking websites from the UK are one for a dentist in Leeds, West Yorkshire:
http://www.advancedentist.co.uk/mercury.html
- and another in Carnaby Street, once the epi-centre of 1960s' "swinging" London:
http://www.advancedentist.co.uk/mercury.html
What's interesting about these two dentists is that not only do they offer strictly "mercury-free" restorative treatments, but they also promote the removal of existing amalgam fillings on health grounds.
And it appears that their national dental association is powerless to discredit them for it.
Is the end in sight for amalgam fillings?
Keith P Walsh
Robert Morien - 25 Aug 2005 09:10 GMT > A Google search for "mercury-free dentist" gets a lot of hits these > days. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Keith P Walsh wow, that's a freakin ground swell...although to my untrained eye those urls look remarkably the same.
Keith P Walsh - 25 Aug 2005 12:13 GMT Robert Morien wrote:
> wow, that's a freakin ground swell...although to my untrained eye those > urls look remarkably the same. I think that you may have missed the important point.
Dentists are promoting and carrying out the replacement of amalgam fillings on health grounds without any threat of censure from their national dental associations.
Do the dental associations approve of the practice?
Do they disapprove of it?
And if they disapprove of it why can't they do anything about it?
If the national dental association can't regulate its own profession then what authority does it have?
None.
Perhaps our national dental associations have recognised that they may have been making a mistake for a long time and are just a little shy about admitting it.
Or perhaps they're planning to take some action against the "mercury-free" crowd.
I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
Keith P Walsh
Robert Morien - 25 Aug 2005 13:14 GMT > Robert Morien wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > fillings on health grounds without any threat of censure from their > national dental associations. In the states we'd call that boutique dentistry and the dentists doing nothing except finding another creative way to get money from patients.
IE, doing it for the money not the "science"
> Do the dental associations approve of the practice? > > Do they disapprove of it? > > And if they disapprove of it why can't they do anything about it? And if they do approve of it why should they do anything about it?
> If the national dental association can't regulate its own profession > then what authority does it have? Apparently enough to put you in a tizzy.
> None. > > Perhaps our national dental associations have recognised that they may > have been making a mistake for a long time and are just a little shy > about admitting it. Or perhaps they just don't give a sh.t.
> Or perhaps they're planning to take some action against the > "mercury-free" crowd. > > I suppose we'll just have to wait and see. > > Keith P Walsh Keith P Walsh - 25 Aug 2005 18:45 GMT >> Dentists are promoting and carrying out the replacement of amalgam >> fillings on health grounds without any threat of censure from their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >IE, doing it for the money not the "science" "Science"?
I'll give you some "science".
It has been demonstrated experimentally that metal amalgam dental fillings generate electrical potentials with magnitudes of up to 350 millivolts. See:
http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm
And the resting potential of the human neurological synapse is only 70 millivolts.
Experimental investigations to determine whether or not the electrical potentials generated by amalgam fillings are able to dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people's heads should therefore have been carried out.
And the results should be available.
That's science.
The widespread adoption of metal amalgams for use in restorative dentistry was quickly followed by the rise to prominence in our societies of psychiatric "medicine".
In recent years many millions of dollars have been spent on research attempting to prove that the causes of so-called "psychiatric" conditions such as "schizophrenia", "paranoia", "stress", "depression", etc., are "genetic".
So far without success.
That amounts to many millions of dollars worth of evidence that the causes of these conditions are not "genetic".
However, at the same time it appears that nothing at all has been spent on attempting to demonstrate that a principal cause of the many millions of cases of such conditions diagnosed over the last 150 years is not the dissipation of electrical energy through the nerves in people's heads as a result of the electrical potentials generated by the amalgam fillings in their teeth.
So no-one can say with any degree of certainty that it is not.
That's science too.
And it might explain why dental associations are not so quick these days to condemn dentists for removing amalgam fillings from their patients' teeth on the grounds of health.
Keith P Walsh
W_B - 25 Aug 2005 19:07 GMT >"Science"? > >I'll give you some "science".
> up to 350 millivolts. Forgot to wear your Faraday suit again ? --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
carabelli - 26 Aug 2005 03:13 GMT >>"Science"? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Forgot to wear your Faraday suit again ? > -- Never - ever after Labor Day
carabelli
billkatz - 25 Aug 2005 23:12 GMT Keith P Walsh Wrote:
> "Science"? > > I'll give you some "science". Whoa right there.
I’m not a dentist. My business services high tech needs fo dentist’s offices but I do have a degree in electrical engineering This article discusses the potentials of amalgam restorations, which b all means are insignificant in comparison to the amounts of stati electricity one is exposed to on a daily basis. These are not batterie of psychosis, they’re not capable of any significant level o capacitance and chances are that they won’t make anyone any mor crazy than they were to begin with… The electrostatic discharge fro the monitor a computer user sits in front of is far, far greater tha that of the study you cite. Making a correlation between dementia an the potential for electrical discharge from amalgams, gold crowns, et is at the very least off the deep end.
FWIW, what slays me about this kind of mentality is that people take small and somewhat insignificant report and blow it up into some hug conspiracy theory. Keith, I don’t know you, I don’t want t stereotype you into a particular group but you risk the possibility o putting yourself in with the Hulda Clarke crowd. Hulda’s mentality i to rip out all amalgams and root canals. This same person claims in he book ‘Cure for all Cancers’ claims that a device called a zappe will kill liver flukes, which of course, according to her, caus cancer. In her mindset… Wouldn’t those discharging amalgams kil the nasty little liver flukes? I mean… Those little fellows don’ have a chance.
BTW, I took interest in this ‘zapper’ subject years ago. understand the rationalization she’s purporting. I’ve read he claims about this little black box and frequency generation (which, b the way, would get a first year student an F in lab). I know how t build these zappers and I know what they really do… which i nothing.
I’m sorry but this just doesn’t add up and calling it scienc doesn’t help matters in the least.
OTOH, the human mind is a wonderful thing and one’s mind can hel make them well again. If you feel sick and you believe that replacin amalgams with composite will make you well… Go for it!
-Bil
-- billkat
Keith P Walsh - 26 Aug 2005 06:34 GMT >Keith P Walsh Wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > >-Bill Bill,
Thank you for your contribution.
Do you think that it should be possible using modern instrumentation to establish that neurolgical function in the vicinity of teeth with amalgam restorations is not significantly different to neurological function in the vicinity of teeth without amalgam restorations?
Keith P Walsh
PS, enquiries regarding the electrical properties of dental amalgams can be found at:
http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/intro.htm
billkatz - 26 Aug 2005 11:56 GMT Keith P Walsh Wrote:
> Do you think that it should be possible using modern instrumentation > to establish that neurolgical function in the vicinity of teeth with > amalgam restorations is not significantly different to neurological > function in the vicinity of teeth without amalgam restorations? If electromagnetic impulses affected the nervous system as some clai they do, I’d be very concerned about braces, titanium implants artificial joints, amalgam, glasses, jewelry, etc. I don’t believ that electromagnet forces damage the nervous system in the way som describe it. If they did then chances are that an MRI woul be…well…lethal.
As far as the electrolytic response or galvanic effect between iner compounds like silver mercury amalgam goes, I don’t think the trac amounts of mercury are anything in comparison to what we’re expose to on a daily basis. Foods like fish are loaded with it and there’ nothing we can do. Chances are that eating a couple of fish dinner will expose you to more mercury than all the fillings in one’s mout ever will. I do believe that driving in traffic, sitting in the sun eating, drinking and breathing constantly exposes us to a barrage o toxic substances. That’s just a part of life and the human body i very resilient.
Amalgam serves a very important role in dentistry. Not going to th dentist because one is afraid of toxic chemicals is IMO myopic and sel defeating
-- billkat
clintonz@prodigy.net - 26 Aug 2005 12:48 GMT > As far as the electrolytic response or galvanic effect between inert > compounds like silver mercury amalgam goes, I don't think the trace > amounts of mercury are anything in comparison to what we're exposed > to on a daily basis. YOur assuming its trace amounts, but published papers already show that is not the case. Your false assumption drives your conclusion.
Foods like fish are loaded with it and there's
> nothing we can do. Chances are that eating a couple of fish dinners > will expose you to more mercury than all the fillings in one's mouth > ever will. Amalgam is already on average the largest source of elemental Hg, not counting corrosion. This was recently published in the NEJM. Your lack of research in the area shows. Furthermore, now we are getting in the realm of solid state a far , cry from circuit theory. It's actually very clear that amalgam is not a stable substance at all, nor is it even well understood. When you can set an upper limit on amalgam corrosion under all conditions or even write an equation for basic processes like Hg vapor emission or spontaneous surface Hg droplet formation on the newer high copper fillings or even characterise the internal phase changes in amalgam over a long period of time let me know.
Until then I would "can" the uniformed ADA tuna analogies.
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billkatz - 26 Aug 2005 14:12 GMT Huh?
October issue of the NEJM [NEJM, 349(19):1731-1737, Oct 2003]. Th article is entitled “The Toxicology of Mercury - Current Exposure and Clinical Manifestations.â€
(Pages 1732-1733), “Patients who have questions about the potentia relation between mercury and degenerative diseases can be assured tha the available evidence shows no connection.â€
You mean *that* report?
Mercury is toxic, no doubt. Uninformed is a different matter
-- billkat
clintonz@prodigy.net - 27 Aug 2005 00:17 GMT > Huh? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > relation between mercury and degenerative diseases can be assured that > the available evidence shows no connection." I said that the NEJM had reported "finally" that amalgam was the largest exposure of elemental Hg in the population, probably in that article, though it could be a different recent one.
Yes that (probably)same article was pretty brutally criticized for then concluding that exposure to Hg was really no big deal afterall. did you read the entire article to see if what i said was true or just take irrelevent snippet to deflect my main point?
It was basically a defensive, biased "summary of the literature", not a research piece, by pro-Hg (and nearly senile) 60's throwback toxicologist and dental industry gun Clarkson IIRC.
You might think it illogical that Clarkson or the NEJM could admit that amalgam was the largest source of elemental Hg (do they have any choice?) then turn around and say but look "no problem". A lot of other people felt that way too! On the other hand what are the dentists and doctors supposed to do, publish an article which says, look we've been exposing people to high levels of Hg and endangering their health all these years?
billkatz - 27 Aug 2005 03:08 GMT clintonz@prodigy.net Wrote:
> Yes that (probably)same article was pretty brutally criticized for > then > concluding that exposure to Hg was really no big deal afterall. > did you read the entire article to see if what i said was true or > just take irrelevent snippet to deflect my main point? Noop!
No snippets or sound bytes. Mercury is toxic, so is diesel and gas. Remember that the next time you're in traffic. A mountain out of molehills is the point. ;-)
-Bill
 Signature billkatz
clintonz@prodigy.net - 27 Aug 2005 10:38 GMT > clintonz@prodigy.net Wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -Bill And at least I can smell gas so I know how much I'm getting!
Once I had an interesting conversation with a lady who works at a company which makes Hg detectors. Turns out the employees's got bored so for fun sometimes they would take gum and chew it, then stick a straw in their mouth, take the hg sensor next to the straw and see how high they could get the hg to read on the detector. After doing this herself and seeing the readings that employee then did go ahead and have her amalgams removed. I believe she still does drive a car however!
billkatz - 27 Aug 2005 17:16 GMT clintonz@prodigy.net Wrote:
> And at least I can smell gas so I know how much I'm getting! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > have her amalgams removed. I believe she still does drive a car > however! I wouldn’t consider somebody chewing gum and blowing through a stra worthy of a citation, but what the heck. I do sometimes wonder just ho smart it is to vaporize a chemically stable compound like amalgam b “drilling it outâ€. Amalgam will corrode under certain conditions s going to the dentist regularly is a good idea (and gargling with sodiu chlorine is strictly ‘verboten’!) ;-)
As you probably know, there are several kinds of mercury Elemental/metallic mercury (Hg) like in fillings is poorly absorbe orally (0.01%) but well absorbed via inhalation when vaporized (>80%) Inorganic mercury like what you find in batteries is poorly absorbe orally (7-15%). Organic mercury (methyl mercury, phenyl mercury, ethy mercury) is well absorbed orally (90%). The organic compound, methy mercury, is the type we worry about when it comes to eating mercur contaminated fish and seafood. Organic mercury compounds tend t bio-accumulate in humans and animals because it takes the body muc longer to expel these organic compounds. Methyl mercury (MeHg) is th form of mercury most commonly associated with central nervous syste disorders
-- billkat
clintonz@prodigy.net - 27 Aug 2005 20:17 GMT > clintonz@prodigy.net Wrote: Amalgam will corrode under certain conditions so
> going to the dentist regularly is a good idea (and gargling with sodium > chlorine is strictly 'verboten'!) ;-) Actually it can corrode on the tooth side and not on the visible side with the protective oxidized layer so going to the dentist isn't necessarily any help, unless you get all your fillings replaced every 5 years.
> As you probably know, there are several kinds of mercury. > Elemental/metallic mercury (Hg) like in fillings is poorly absorbed > orally (0.01%) but well absorbed via inhalation when vaporized (>80%). I have to warn you, when Dr. Steve M tried to argue that people didn't have to worry about amalgam (elemental) Hg on SMD because most people were nose breathers he was nearly tarred and feathered!
> Inorganic mercury like what you find in batteries is poorly absorbed > orally (7-15%). Organic mercury (methyl mercury, phenyl mercury, ethyl [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > form of mercury most commonly associated with central nervous system > disorders. Actually virtually no research has been done to determine how much Methyl Hg can result from amalgam fillings. This has been discussed before on SMD. Why? turns out its really hard to measure amalgam derived methyl Hg absorption into tissue but many common oral bacteria including S mutans can convert the Hg from crushed amalgam in test tube. Also significant levels of amalgam derived methyl Hg have been measured in an extremely small study on crowns and veneers. Sooooo, contrary to what you have been led to believe (probably by the ADA) a corroding filling packed with bacteria on top CAN be a large source of Hg. it can also be methylated in the gut. (You might want to see Bernie Windhams page were he actually claims amalgam is also on average the largest source of organic Hg. That's right you heard correct!)
Of course all things being equal i would much prefer a filling leaking a little more elemental Hg than one corroding with methylizing bacteria around the filling! Too bad you can't brush into between the filling and the tooth!
Robert Morien - 27 Aug 2005 03:09 GMT > > Huh? > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > exposing people to high levels of Hg and endangering their health all > these years? So are you Pro NEJM?
LadyLollipop - 27 Aug 2005 03:19 GMT >> > Huh? >> > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > So are you Pro NEJM? Are you, Robert?
Just what is your interest here?
Robert Morien - 27 Aug 2005 07:15 GMT > >> > Huh? > >> > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Just what is your interest here? To bash spammers and correct mistakes.
clintonz@prodigy.net - 27 Aug 2005 10:50 GMT Robert Morien wrote:
> In article <p4QPe.69386$084.30730@attbi_s22>, > > > > > > So are you Pro NEJM? I'm not sure what you mean. I am supposed to fall apart because some authoritative sounding journal said amalgam is safe and all wise people worship the ground the ADA/ AMA and doctors walk on. Pal, I come from an FDA family. I give doctors EXACTLY the amount of respect they deserve:)
LadyLollipop - 27 Aug 2005 19:56 GMT >> >> > Huh? >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > To bash spammers and correct mistakes. I suggest you get lost.
To error is human.
Perhaps this will direct you as to where you will should go:
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 190,000 for bash newsgroups. (0.24 seconds)
Robert Morien - 28 Aug 2005 00:17 GMT > >> >> > Huh? > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > I suggest you get lost. Have I hurt the spammers feelings?
> To error is human. But to admit the error is divine
> Perhaps this will direct you as to where you will should go: > > Web Results 1 - 10 of about 190,000 for bash newsgroups. (0.24 > seconds) I'm curious as to what you think that means.
You should search news.admin.net-abuse.sightings for all your spam sightings
Peter Bowditch - 28 Aug 2005 05:02 GMT >"Robert Morien" <PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com> wrote in message <snip>
>>> Just what is your interest here? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Web Results 1 - 10 of about 190,000 for bash newsgroups. (0.24 >seconds) Learn to use Google, Jan.
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See how popular you are?
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LadyLollipop - 28 Aug 2005 07:00 GMT > "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Learn to use Google, Jan. This thread in not about Jan.
It is sad there are such despicable stalkers.
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Robert Morien - 28 Aug 2005 07:40 GMT > > "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > It is sad there are such despicable stalkers. The thread has been hijacked and it is about spammers...so it is about you.
But remember, you never bash
LadyLollipop - 28 Aug 2005 08:09 GMT >> > "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> > The thread has been hijacked YES, sadly a stalker hijacked it second, after YOU deverted with your usual.
<snip>
The thread WAS actually about:
http://www.advancedentist.co.uk/mercury.html
REMOVAL OF AMALGAM/MERCURY (SILVER) FILLINGS
Priority Order for Amalgam Removal
a.. Root canal-treated teeth with pins or screw-posts of non-precious metals and metal crowns with amalgam cores should be treated first.
b.. Next are amalgams in direct constant contact with gold. Often the amalgam can be removed while the gold inlays, the crown or the bridge, can be left. What to do with the fold can be decided later.
c.. Where there is direct intermittent biting contact between amalgam and gold in opposing teeth.
d.. Where there is direct contact between amalgam and other metals like partial chromium-cobalt dentures.
e.. Most patients have several different types of amalgam fillings, and the ones containing the newer types of amalgam high in copper (non-gamma-2 amalgam) should be removed first. The priority order between different filings can be based on the patient's own opinions or visible signs of corrosion and discoloration.
f.. Amalgam fillings in contact with gum tissue. It might be necessary to remove metal-impregnated gum tissue surgically. Protection of the patient during amalgam removal The surgery should have good ventilation and an efficient filtration system. Where possible, rubber dam should be used in conjunction with efficient high-volume evacuation to protect the patient from the aerosol of water-coolant spray used with the high-speed cutting. When drilling, the filling should be sectioned into chunks and elevated where possible. If any metal has been used as a restorative material, then all amalgams should be removed first. Patients should wear clothes covering as much skin as possible.
For sensitive patients, when drilling out amalgam cover the eyes with wrap-around goggles and use a Relative Analgesia nosepiece with tubing attached to extend out of operating area to protect against nose inhalation of mercury vapour. Some practitioners use oxygen flow.
Scheduling of appointments depends very much on the reaction of the patient after the first treatment. Patients should be monitored and supplementation varied as necessary.
Post-treatment protocols Removal of body mercury after removal of fillings is crucial, but often neglected. A reservoir of mercury has accumulated in the body over the years and needs to be flushed out. Methods depend on presenting symptoms, vitamin and mineral supplements such as vitamins A, C, E, B12, folic acid, selenium, zinc, manganese, magnesium, amino acids, glutathione peroxidase, reduced gluthathione, glutathione complex and glutamine, digestive enzymes, essential fatty acids and acidopholous.
Warm baths, low-heat saunas, acupuncture, massage, counselling and healing have all proved useful. Any remaining Candida, food allergies and digestive disorders usually become more amenable to treatment.
Most patients who do not feel better retain hardened faecal matter containing trapped particles of mercury/amalgam and other combination of corroded metals. Treat with high-fibre diets, added fibre, food-combining techniques where appropriate (Hay diet) and possible colonic irrigation. Green food supplements such as spirolina, chlorella, blue green algae and chlorophyll are rich in vitamins and minerals and bind to heavy metals, but provided that digestion and absorption are sound, the best source of nutrients is a good diet. Exercise and reduction of stress play their part in restoration of health.
Conclusion Mercury is continuously released from amalgam fillings, and numerous research investigations have clearly shown that mercury from this source provides the major contribution to body burden of mercury. The vapour has a direct pathway to the brain. It is inhaled into the lungs, oxidized to ionic mercury and binds to cell proteins.
Mercury is the only cumulative vaporizing poison permanently implanted in the human body.
and it is about spammers
NO, it was NEVER about spammers.
...so it is about you.
And so YOU are LYING again.
> But remember, you never bash Remember That is YOU.
What's more you are nothing but a trouble maker and L I A R here.
*In the states we'd call that boutique dentistry and the dentists doing nothing except finding another creative way to get money from patients.
IE, doing it for the money not the "science"
The We'd must be you and a talking mouse in your pocket.
Basher, liar.
Robert Morien - 28 Aug 2005 21:01 GMT > >> > "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote: > >> > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > YES, sadly a stalker hijacked it second, after YOU deverted with your usual. You have a stalker? You should report her to the police immediately. Me, I'm just a spammer abuser...are you feeling abused?
> <snip> > > The thread WAS actually about: <spam snipped>
spamming again I see. It shall be reported.
> and it is about spammers > > NO, it was NEVER about spammers. in the sense that you use plural you are correct. but you are a spammer and it was about you.
> ...so it is about > you. > > And so YOU are LYING again. lolly never bashes
> > But remember, you never bash > > Remember That is YOU. you mean that was me suggesting a web search for bash newsgroups?
> What's more you are nothing but a trouble maker and L I A R here. Post one single lie that I've posted here. Can't do it.
> *In the states we'd call that boutique dentistry and the dentists doing > nothing except finding another creative way to get money from patients. > > IE, doing it for the money not the "science" > > The We'd must be you and a talking mouse in your pocket. Cute, no cigar, but cute none-the-less. I imagine that since there are so many web results for "jan drew loves to f.ck" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jan+drew+loves+to+fuck&btnG=Google+S earch that it is you that carries mice in your "pocket"
> Basher, liar. Is the spammer feeling abused again?
just admit you spammed and apologise and you'll be left alone until the next time you spam.
and I'm still waiting for the prove of that unsubstantiated survey/poll that you tried to use to further your agenda. Can't do it can you?
LadyLollipop - 29 Aug 2005 00:26 GMT "Robert Morien" <PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com> wrote
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>> "Robert Morien" <PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com> wrote in message <snip>
>> >> >>"Robert Morien" <PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com> wrote in message >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> YES, sadly a stalker hijacked it second, after YOU deverted with your >> usual. <snip stupid question>
Please read for comprehension.
<snip>
> I'm just a spammer abuser... Get help.
>> <snip> >> >> The thread WAS actually about: > > <spam snipped> URL restored:
http://www.advancedentist.co.uk/mercury.html
> spamming again I see. It shall be reported. Report away.
Good luck, just remember to tell them to remove their coffee cups first.
>> and it is about spammers >> >> NO, it was NEVER about spammers. > > in the sense that you use plural you are correct. but you are a spammer > and it was about you. 222222222 funny.
18 posts before I entered the deicussion.
YOU made # 2.
Your *only* interest was in belittling.
>> ...so it is about you. >> >> And so YOU are LYING again.
> lolly never bashes > >> > But remember, you never bash >> >> Remember That is YOU.
> you mean that was me suggesting a web search for bash newsgroups? I mean EXACTLY what I said.
>> What's more you are nothing but a trouble maker and L I A R here. > > Post one single lie that I've posted here. Can't do it. Yes, I can.
and it is about spammers...so it is about you.
>> *In the states we'd call that boutique dentistry and the dentists doing >> nothing except finding another creative way to get money from patients. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jan+drew+loves+to+fuck&btnG=Google+S > earch that it is you that carries mice in your "pocket" How nice.
You complain about spamming, but you think the above is OK.
Get help, Robert.
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Robert Morien - 29 Aug 2005 08:45 GMT > "Robert Morien" <PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Please read for comprehension. Better yet please post for comprehension.
> <snip> > > > I'm just a spammer abuser... > > Get help. Don't need it. It's really easy to report your spam
> >> <snip> > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > <URL snipped> Makes it seem like I snipped the url in the first place. NOT.
> > spamming again I see. It shall be reported. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > 18 posts before I entered the deicussion. So you can count. I was having a discussion with the OP and then you tried to hijack the thread
> YOU made # 2. > > Your *only* interest was in belittling. I just asked some questions. Thinking may be belittling for you.
> >> ...so it is about you. > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I mean EXACTLY what I said. Trouble is nobody else knows what you meant. I fail to see the relevence of linux to your spamming
> >> What's more you are nothing but a trouble maker and L I A R here. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > and it is about spammers...so it is about you. That makes as much sense as "bash newsgrops". You spammed, that's no lie.
I didn't spam so it's not about me. Unless you have a crush for me.
> >> *In the states we'd call that boutique dentistry and the dentists doing > >> nothing except finding another creative way to get money from patients. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How nice. Thank you.
> You complain about spamming, but you think the above is OK. It was your idea to post the meaningless "bash newsgroups" search, I thought I'd join that other poster and show you how stupid your thought was. But then again spammers really are stupid
> Get help, Robert. > > <snip> Get detoxed, lolly
Robert Morien - 25 Aug 2005 23:47 GMT > >> Dentists are promoting and carrying out the replacement of amalgam > >> fillings on health grounds without any threat of censure from their [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > "Science"? Nice try, but doesn't prove a thing in regards to the motives of these two dentists. My claim that they are doing it for the money is just as valid if not more so than your claim that they are doing it for humanities sake.
Unless of course they are doing it for free.
carabelli - 25 Aug 2005 13:16 GMT Amazing, and this even more so, 19,500 hits for 350mV.
carabelli
George Chatzipetros - 25 Aug 2005 17:35 GMT Keith, you don't know what you're talking about. You're telling me that in the middle of the largest NHS dentistry shake-up in the history of the UK, with the new draft contract released for implementation in April, the BDA will attempt to deal with TWO dentists??!!
Second, who told you that the BDA regulates the profession? The BDA is a trade union promoting the interests of the profession. It has no other power over British dentists - in fact if you don't want to nobody can force you to be a member. Only the General Dental Council regulates the profession and they can only act when a complaint is lodged by a patient.
Meanwhile the NHS will continue to be the kingdom of amalgam.
George
Keith P Walsh - 25 Aug 2005 20:17 GMT >Keith, you don't know what you're talking about. You're telling me that >in the middle of the largest NHS dentistry shake-up in the history of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Meanwhile the NHS will continue to be the kingdom of amalgam. Are you saying that the British Dental Association defers all responsibility for the use of dental amalgam in Britain to someone else?
How feckless is that?
"You keep telling us it's OK,and we'll keep sticking 'em in."
Who has responsibility for checking that amalgam is a suitable material for this purpose in the first place?
Do they (whoever they are) realise that in order to understand the electromagnetic behavior of an electrically conductive material they have to carry out experimental investigations to measure it?
And would they tell the British Dental Association what the results were if they had?
This isn't conspiracy theory.
It's science.
Amalgam is placed in children's teeth.
ITS ELECTROMAGNETIC PROPERTIES SHOULD THEREFORE BE KNOWN.
Keith P Walsh
StovePipe - 27 Aug 2005 22:27 GMT > This isn't conspiracy theory. > > It's science. > > Amalgam is placed in children's teeth. On this, I'm in agreement: I HATE having to place it into kids' teeth. But I HATE to extract teeth before their time either.
> ITS ELECTROMAGNETIC PROPERTIES SHOULD THEREFORE BE KNOWN. > > Keith P Walsh 'K, Keith: You gonna volunteer to have small holes drilled into your jaw bones, so's I can place some glass pipette electrodes into your tooth nerves and record individual potentials? And once that's in place, we drill out your tooth and place amalgam or gold fillings and then record again? And do it again in 3, 6 months and a year's time to see how the system changes? And then for statistical validity, we'd better get a couple hundred volunteers to have the same procedures done?
All because a few people would like a scientific confirmation that metals in the mouth purturb the system in a slight way?
Who is gonna volunteer; who is gonna fund that; who is gonna interpret the results???. Would you even believe it when the reports came in?
SP
 Signature Finally: take out the TRASHH
Robert Morien - 28 Aug 2005 00:18 GMT > > This isn't conspiracy theory. > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > SP I'll take "no" in the pool
W_B - 29 Aug 2005 16:59 GMT >> Who is gonna volunteer; who is gonna fund that; who is gonna interpret >> the results???. Would you even believe it when the reports came in? >> >> SP > >I'll take "no" in the pool Better than taking a oui... ? <g> --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Vaughn - 25 Aug 2005 11:15 GMT Hmmm, something seems to have changed. I plonked you when you started with the nazi sh.t and here you are back again. Oh well, I know what to do.
Bye Vaughn
george1234 - 25 Aug 2005 17:38 GMT >A Google search for "mercury-free dentist" gets a lot of hits these >days. > >Two professional looking websites from the UK are one for a dentist in >Leeds, West Yorkshire: Short question... how'd the Brits get fillings in the first place;)
Fawks - 27 Aug 2005 03:43 GMT Hmmm.........
I haven't used amalgam since 1985, yet I do not advertise as being 'mercury free'. I wonder how many of your idols are just marketing? (selling snake oil)
99%?
Fawks
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