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carabelli - 22 Aug 2005 03:55 GMT
Just a short note.  I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years.
Usenet was what it was.  SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with the gateway
up and running. I was quite content with it (and especially since due to a
group effort most of the resident malcontents quit posting when they were
ignored).  Now all the dentalcom posters have to learn what the old smd'ers
did to reclaim their posting area.

Nothing ever remains the same,  I'm not really angry about the gateway, but
not really happy either.  Truthfully, I have wasted way too much time here
anyway.

Anyone that wanted to post on DT or DC was well aware,  the old gang just
wasn't interested.  Again, you all take care.

carabelli
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 22 Aug 2005 05:57 GMT
You HAVE been missed.    Have you found a better newsgroup.   What does
gateway mean.
Naive questions, perhaps.   We look for  familiar  people, with or without
excluding the new ones.
Gail

> Just a short note.  I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years.
> Usenet was what it was.  SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with the gateway
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> carabelli
Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 11:23 GMT
Thanks Carabelli for your comments. This is extremely enlightening. You
already know that I respect your opinion immensely. The DentalCom gang
are a very polite and reasonable group! What you are observing is the
new synergism, not anything on DentalCom's part. You must see from
where the posts are originating. Over here I can see the difference. So
you may not have this figured out exactly right!

It can be interesting to come over to DentalCom.Net, sign up and then
look through the Members List. You will be a little surprised as to who
is on the list and who is not.

TO GAIL:

As time moves forward more and more people are becoming squeezed out of
Usenet. In fact, on another board some people ask, "What are
newsgroups?" Some ISPs are dropping usenet entirely, except for perhaps
members who have certain ahemmmmm, alternative views on life.

Unless someone has a specific interest, and a specific desire (as we
all do) more and more people are moving to the web. This means
hypertext transfer protocol (this is the http you see at the beginning
of URLs). At Usenet, also known as newsgroups, it is a different
protocol, or nttp, which refers to network news transfer protocol.

So the GATEWAY that we got is this:

nttp  - - - -- > http

http - - - - - -> nttp.

This permits the free exchange of ideas. Of course its still up to
individuals to police themselves and to refrain from too much combat
concerning controversial topics. This is exactly like the REAL WORLD.

REAL WORLD STORY

I was approached by a couple of missionaries from the Mormon Church
this week. We politely discussed dentistry. Somewhere along the
conversation they asked if I had studied the Book of Mormon. I reported
that I had read some of it. End of Mormon discussion.

I was somewhat pleased with myself that I refrained from telling them
all I knew about the Mormons, the books I have read, the history, the
flaws in their sacred texts, you know, all the stuff that makes usenet
sometimes very interesting.

So it goes.

I can still play these discussions out inside my own brain, that you
may have surmised is still a very active place!

Joel

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Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 12:15 GMT
Ooooops, I tried to edit but I forgot one cannot edit these posts! Okay
adding this:

Let's say I only want to discuss whatever I want to discuss with Sue
BillKatz, Justin, Flap, and ...... well you fill in the blank. Oh
forgot ... MartyCollinsRDH! Sheesh, I almost forgot.

Let's say I do not care what anyone else has to say. I do not even wan
to read it. So why not simply block everyone else? Wouldn't that work?

Joel

That way, the people who want more get more while the people who wan
less get less

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Joel34
Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 14:19 GMT
carabelli Wrote:
> Just a short note. I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years
> Usenet was what it was. SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with th
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> carabelli
We have under 10 active posters....

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Administrato
Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 14:23 GMT
I could split the active posts and SMD posts into 2 different searches
I have been thinking about doing this because DC has now a majority o
SMD posts
I dont have any plans on turning the gateway off. Too many of my user
enjoy it. I do have an idea of how you feel. Most of the posts latel
have been SMD related (Though I thought this would happen if I put i
the gateway)

Play pacman! Its a great way to be productive, especially at th
office

=

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Administrato
Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
The only way the gateway we will turn it off, is if we have a poll vot
on DC, and whichever way the poll will swing, thats what we will do.
have an idea about where it will swing. If there is one unhappy SM
user over the gateway, then I dont look at it as a big deal, there i
always going to be one. I have learned this with almost every hack
have installed. But if there are people on SMD coming out of the woo
work, then thats a different story

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Administrato
Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
Strange, there are so few active posters on DC I cant see how you guy
take such offense. It sounds to me like you guys have fought hard fo
your tight knit group, and you want to keep it that way. Remember on
thing, usenet newsgroups are PUBLIC. Not private

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Administrato
Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 18:07 GMT
I am certain the whole thing is being misunderstood. Here is th
DentalCom list:

a. Joel344 (me!)
b. Justin aka Administrator, aka Justin aka JShafer.
c. Bill Katz
d. Sue Madden aka Sue aka Sue Madden
e. MartyCollinsRDH aka the hygienist.
f. Letsconnect
g. ummmmmmm.

The rest are posting from sci.med.dentistry, not from here.

How do I know? Every poster who connects from SMD has a "n/a" liste
near the number of posts. Everyone posting from here either has
number for the number of posts or is posting as anonymous.

So blaming the traffic as being from DentalCom is an oversimplifaction
Yeah sure, there are more responses to questions. But that is about it
So why not simply block the people you do not want to hear from?

So far, in my opinion, all the discussions have been pretty great!

As for feeds, RSS, etc., if you turn on your cell phone and yo
suddenly see Sue Madden's picture, well do not blame me!

Joel

Administrator Wrote:
> Strange, there are so few active posters on DC I cant see how you guy
> take such offense. It sounds to me like you guys have fought hard fo
> your tight knit group, and you want to keep it that way. Remember on
> thing, usenet newsgroups are PUBLIC. Not private

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Joel34
letsconnect - 22 Aug 2005 20:36 GMT
> I am certain the whole thing is being misunderstood. Here is the
> DentalCom list:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> The rest are posting from sci.med.dentistry, not from here.

Actually, I'm posting from Google Groups... so it's really only a
handful of people from DC... newsgroups were before my time...
Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 21:23 GMT
Right you are Letsconn .....

The image below shows the tip-off .....

To tell you the truth, I tend not to notice, but judge
people more by the content of their posts than by the
color of their ISP .....

Sounds like Martin Luther King a bit .... sorry!

Jopel

**

(IMAGE viewable by people of all persuasions).

http://tinypic.com/ay3koz.jpg

and

.

[image: http://tinypic.com/ay3koz.jpg]

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Joel34
Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 21:35 GMT
What's the advantage of DentalCom over the usenet scheme of things? I
you look at this thread,

http://dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=13016

which is,

LEWIS WROTE,

Veneer case to close diastema

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is my first post to this forum and thought I would share a venee
case we completed to close a diastema between #8 & #9. This case show
the results that can be obtained by proper planning, preparation an
material selection. Any comments appreciated.

END ......

Reply

You will see a series of beautiful color photos illustrating a poin
about dentistry. If you cannot see the photos then you are missin
something interesting. Ths is what kind of got me -hooked on DentalCo
.... - well that plus the folks here ...... of course the SMD folk
are very super people too.

Joe

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Joel34
billkatz - 22 Aug 2005 14:54 GMT
> I could split the active posts and SMD posts into 2 different searches.
I have been thinking about doing this because DC has now a majority of
SMD posts.

The monster gateway is Google's Groups which culls all kinds of
newsfeeds, not DC. Cropping or splitting the searches won't do much
since it's already "Googled" long before it gets to DC.
billkatz - 22 Aug 2005 14:23 GMT
Ok everybody,

This gateway was originally my idea and from what I gather from severa
posts, poignantly I fell at fault. The gateway was never intended to ac
as an interloper onto SMD. Its purpose was to establish a connection t
newsfeeds like SMD for those who couldn’t access public newsgroup
like SMD because of different mitigating factors (like their ISP’
unwillingness to provide newsfeeds or simply a lack of expertise o
setting up OE). Since DentalCom is principally a dental related site
SMD was an obvious choice.

It was never my intent to trespass onto what I assumed was a publi
newsfeed. I also know Justin, the SysOp of DC (who did all the har
work) and I know he’s very particular about keeping things well unde
control on his board.

FWIW, gateways are nothing new. Back in the early 80’s I was one o
the coordinators of a group called Fido. Back then, users had to lo
into BBS’s in order to read newsfeeds since there was no Interne
per-se. There were only the hobbyists, universities and Arpanet. Th
gateway that’s been established here allows regular HTML users t
access your posts and believe me; this board has lots of readers (man
don’t post, but readers nonetheless). This gateway also allows user
to convert the newsfeeds into RSS and read/post from a cell phone o
PDA if they wish. What the heck, I thought it was a good idea.

Carabelli, Dr. Steve, I’m sorry if I’ve caused discourse. It wa
never my intent to do so. It was my intent to bring in like minde
individuals, but from what I’ve read, it hasn’t turned out tha
way.

I’ll be the first to sign off if I’m not welcome here.

Bil

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billkat
Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 14:31 GMT
billkatz Wrote:
> Ok everybody
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Bill

FIDO! I forgot all about FIDO. Those really were the old days

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Administrato
Sue - 22 Aug 2005 15:03 GMT
Hi Carabelli,

I have tried SMD in the past, but I enjoy the more organized format
that Justin has here. I found the news group format difficult to use. I
am really sorry if this gateway has caused a feeling of invasion for the
SMD folks.  

Personally, I was very excited to see all of these new people and
hoping to have some good discussion!!

I hope you can give this a little more time before you jump to negative
conclusions.  I think it may be just a matter of getting to know one
another.

Dcom really only has a few posters.  We are all good people. IMHO, I
don't think any of us wish to take over your discussion group or to
push anyone out.  We only want to be able to get to  know you and take
part in your discussions within this new format.  (At least that is my
perspective).

I hope you do not leave SMD over this.  If you have any suggestions
that could help us with some sort of compromise that would keep you
here and posting, that would be wonderful.  If it is our style posting,
what we post or whatever.  I hate to see anyone leave a healthy
discussion group because of a format change and/or new voices.

Thank you if you can keep an open mind.  

Sincerely,

Sue

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Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 15:07 GMT
Sue, I see your viewpoint completly. And I can see theres. I dont wan
them to leave SMD either. Guys, the only people from DC who regularl
post are, joel, billkatz, myself, sue, and we see shad and amber o
occasion. Thats about it. We do have a lot of lurkers. Around 90% o
visitors just like to read

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Administrato
jshafer817 - 22 Aug 2005 15:35 GMT
Maybe people would like it if I posted under my real account, and no
the administrator account..

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Justin Shafer
Onsite Dental Systems
2232 Solona St.
Fort Worth, TX. 76117
(817) 909-4222
jshafer817@comcast.ne
Tom - 23 Aug 2005 22:17 GMT
>Maybe people would like it if I posted under my real account, and not
>the administrator account...

Maybe it would be better if yous all quoted something of the post
you're replying to so that we know what you're talking about.  

Reading lists of disjointed comments is boring and useless.  

Tom
Amatus Cremona - 23 Aug 2005 22:49 GMT
> Maybe it would be better if you all quoted something of the post
> you're replying to so that we know what you're talking about.
>
> Reading lists of disjointed comments is boring and useless.

How do I improve on that posting?

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Amatus

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>
>>Maybe people would like it if I posted under my real account, and not
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Tom
Sue - 24 Aug 2005 00:31 GMT
RE: SMD-Dentcom gateway

How do I find SMD so I can see what it is that you are talking about?
I am not sure how posts from Dcom are displayed at SMD.
It will help me to understand the format concerns. Thanks, Sue

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billkatz - 24 Aug 2005 04:03 GMT
Look inot http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry?lnk=li&hl=e

-

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billkat
Sue - 24 Aug 2005 04:31 GMT
billkatz Wrote:
> Look inot http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry?lnk=li&hl=e
>
> -b
Bill, That actually looks really neat! The last time I saw the Scime
newsgroup it was in a different format.  I like your link better
Thanks

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Joel344 - 24 Aug 2005 14:51 GMT
An ALIAS for groups.google.com is www.deja.com.

I tried posting from there yesterday. Oy vey! Sign in, sign out .......
that's why I hate it. W_B probably hates it too as each page contains
plenty of ads on the right side.

Each one, say MedKB has advantages, disadvantages. Justin's efforts
(www.DentalCom.net) are by far the best on the 'net.

Joel

Joel

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Joel344 - 24 Aug 2005 15:03 GMT
ONE PERSON'S OPINION ....

Mine!

I am pleased with the new response t
sci.med.dentistry/MedKB/DentalCom.net/GoogleGroups

Why?

There are many new quality posters and many quality old posters
Quality posters means real people posting about real issues. I vow t
keep my promise not to respond to, or to bait, or otherwise tittilat
people who are responding to "non-quality" issues. The non-qualit
issues are also here. No one can "censor anything" without censorin
too much. That was the decision by the U.S. Third Circuit Court i
2001. I agree. Sometimes we have to put up with more than we want to
in order to avoid getting MUCH LESS than we need.

Hey!

Isn't this what a dental newsgroup is about? Aren't these ALL denta
discussions?

Now if I want to keep it like it was, its too simple. All's I have t
do is to block everyone other than the three or six people that I wan
to reply to. Its too simple. Or I can establish an e-mail listserv an
its the same.

Joel

So what am I missing here

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Joel344 - 24 Aug 2005 17:52 GMT
This is just a guess, but my guess is that the sudden flurry of ne
posts, the huge gaggle of new posters is partially ..... a result o
references to images within our posts. Yeah of course anyone ca
include the URL of the image within one's post but some of the htt
sites are stripping out references to images.

www.DentalCom.net does not strip them out and offers a link to the htt
site so people can view the images in real time. Others can view th
image through a link.

I will post the link two ways .. embedded within the body using [ i m
] tags and separately as a hyperlink.

Here is an example:

I think this is increasing traffic.

Joel

The embedded image ..... CEREC! (This is not available o nthe 'net).

.

[image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg]

.

The hyperlink to same:

http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jp

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StovePipe - 25 Aug 2005 07:07 GMT
Hi JME! Youse wrote:

The embedded image ..... CEREC! (This is not available o nthe 'net).
[image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg]

The hyperlink to same:

http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg

What is the difference? Are you saying that putting square brackets and
"img" around a link will shield it from being stripped from the various
web servers? And while we are at it: how do you make square brakets on
a Windoze Box? I tried holding down the Windoze key and typing "()" but
all it did was launch eighteen nuclear rockets towards the planet
"Ralph".... :-/

Sorry about that....
Thanks
SP
Joel344 - 25 Aug 2005 11:44 GMT
I can embed graphics (inline graphics) into DentalCom.net by enclosin
the URL in what we call [ i m g ] tags without the spaces.

If I do this the image appears while the individual is reading th
text. This is done without the spaces, as example:

[ i m g ] http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg [ / i m g ]

and

[image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg]

.

same code, the image gets rendered!

.

The reason why I have to put in the spaces is that if I do not, th
software will render the image and replace the code with an image. No
when this gets rendered at DentalCom.net is also gets CONVERTED to,

[image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg] for distribution elsewhere.

I am including some spaces as I am not sure if this will be rendered o
not.

[ i m a g e : http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg    ]

and finally,

http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg

will return the hyperlink which is clickable in either DentalCom.net
MedKB, Google, and elsewhere but not in sci.med.dentistry is one use
Forte Free Agent. If one uses MS-Outlook, then it is clickable and th
images are/are not rendered depending on which code one uses.

The [ i m g ] tags are vBulletin tags.

The "[" and "]" are the two keys found directly above the " quote mar
and right between the "p" and the "\"

Joe

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jshafer817 - 28 Aug 2005 03:32 GMT
I seperated the two searches on the site. Now its easier to tell th
difference between the two.. There is SMD Topics, and DC Topics..

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A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
Certified Technician
Justin Shafer
Onsite Dental Systems
Fort Worth, TX.
817909422
Administrator - 28 Aug 2005 03:36 GMT
Click on the attachment link at the bottom of the site.

+-------------------------------------------------------------------
|Filename: Untitled-3.jpg                                          
|Download: http://dentalcom.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=702
+-------------------------------------------------------------------

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Administrato

A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
Certified Technicia
Justin Shafe
Onsite Dental System
Fort Worth, TX
817909422

' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs
Tim Dixon - 28 Aug 2005 17:23 GMT
> Click on the attachment link at the bottom of the site..
>
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
> |Filename: Untitled-3.jpg                                           |
> |Download: http://dentalcom.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=702|
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+

> ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs)

I'm quite curious how the link above ends up going to Microsoft at:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=321CD7A2-6A57-4C57-A8BD
-DBF62EDA9671&displaylang=en

jshafer817 - 28 Aug 2005 17:32 GMT
The tinyurl link, I believe, is from one of joel's posts.

Its redirects you to microsofts site. I know you can go to tinyurl.com,
and make your own url. A url is like http://www.google.com.

You can take a really long url, like the microsoft link, and shorten it
down to something really small, and easy for people to remember, and the
link wont take up so much space in a post.

Thats what the tinyurl service does. Its free, and you can take a
really long url and shorten it down. Its a redirector service.

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Justin Shafer
Onsite Dental Systems
Fort Worth, TX.
8179094222

Joel344 - 28 Aug 2005 20:40 GMT
Redirect!
Go to www.tinyurl.com

Enter the l-o-oo-o-o-oo-o-o-g URL.

Hit GO!

Copy the new URL.

Joel

.

[image: http://tinypic.com/b9gifp.jpg]

.

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 13:31 GMT
well thats just plain lame.

> Redirect!
> Go to www.tinyurl.com
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> .
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 15:05 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:
> well thats just plain lame
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> > Joel344's Profile: http://dentalcom.net/forum/member.php?userid=1
> > View this thread: http://dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=271

Then why did you ask

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A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
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Justin Shafe
Onsite Dental System
Fort Worth, TX
817909422

' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs
Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 15:26 GMT
> Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> well thats just plain lame.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>> >
> Then why did you ask?

I asked why there is a link that goes somewhere that isn't clearly
understandable by the link itself.  And so I think thats pretty lame.  Just
like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame.
Amatus Cremona - 29 Aug 2005 15:47 GMT
> I asked why there is a link that goes somewhere that isn't clearly
> understandable by the link itself.  And so I think that's pretty lame.
> Just like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame.

hear hear.

I now filter out any posts coming from DC.  Too hard to follow any
conversations.

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>> Tim Dixon Wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> understandable by the link itself.  And so I think thats pretty lame.
> Just like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame.
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 16:48 GMT
Amatus Cremona Wrote:

> > I asked why there is a link that goes somewhere that isn't clearl
> > understandable by the link itself. And so I think that's pretty lame
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> > Just like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame
> >Thats fine. You guys really should stick to something thats "easy t
follow"... DC might be too complex for your simple minds..

Web based posting to a newsgroup..

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A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
Certified Technicia
Justin Shafe
Onsite Dental System
Fort Worth, TX
817909422

' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 16:56 GMT
If you guys cant understand something simple as web based posting, o
even something simple as tinyurl, a free redirector service that joe
likes, then I dont really care if you like dentalcom or not. Your jus
being pricks to joel, and to me, and your finding crazy reasons t
start an argument

I think you are lame

I think I see why you guys hide out here. And why the amount of SM
posts are following in the past few years

You think people that spent this much time in school, could grasp eas
concepts, or at least have the respect not to diss something jus
because someone else likes it. But I guess not

Next time you guys want to know what tinyurl is, go look it u
yourself

Glad I'm not your patient

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A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
Certified Technicia
Justin Shafe
Onsite Dental System
Fort Worth, TX
817909422

' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs
Sue - 29 Aug 2005 17:29 GMT
Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
some really good discussion going

It looks like the gateway has become a
invasion for the SMD usenet group

*If there was away that we could combine
*our posts in a format that was not so
*confusing, it may work.*

There is no good reason to fight about it
Justin.  That only creates bad feelings
and burns bridges.  We have to be considerat
of their veiwpoints, IMHO.
-Su

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:08 GMT
> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
> some really good discussion going.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> of their veiwpoints, IMHO.
> -Sue

Why don't you all just leave USENET to be USENET.  We don't care what you do
on the web, but your running into USENET puritans who don't see it as you
do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the net.
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:12 GMT
Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people just
like you, but instead of posting through news readers, we do it through
a website.

You need a bowl of cry baby soup.

Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want.

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Onsite Dental Systems
Fort Worth, TX.
8179094222
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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:19 GMT
> Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people just
> like you, but instead of posting through news readers, we do it through
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want.

Hey think what you want, we will.  Say what you want, we will.  And all that
.sig stuff, isn't impressive, and is only clutter, really!
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:33 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:

> > Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people
> just
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> that
> ..sig stuff, isn't impressive, and is only clutter, really!
Yeah, and when we patients walk into your office we REALLY are
impressed with all the credentials hanging on your walls.

Its actually my sig from dentaltown and dc. Its my sig, and I can use
it if I want. I know a guy who has literally 25 different
certifications. His signature would be so long you wouldnt be able to
stand it.

Of course, leave it up to someone to complain about a signature.
I am going to do that next time I go to the dentist. =)

Why do you got all this stuff up on the walls? Are you trying to
impress me, doc?

Thats why you need a bowl of cry baby soup.

Shoot, at least I dont have to change the title of my name to get
everybody to know what I do.

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Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:33 GMT
Administrator Wrote:
> Yeah, and when we patients walk into your office we REALLY are impressed
> with all the credentials hanging on your walls.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Shoot, at least I dont have to change the title of my name to get
> everybody to know what I do.
Besides, If I just put up MCP, and RHCE, I doubt you would have any
idea of what that is.

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:45 GMT
> Administrator Wrote:
>> Yeah, and when we patients walk into your office we REALLY are impressed
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Besides, If I just put up MCP, and RHCE, I doubt you would have any
> idea of what that is.

There you go again making assumptions.  Maybe you should stick to moderating
your own boards and we'll be just happy as pie to say goodbye.
Sue - 29 Aug 2005 19:01 GMT
Justin
I think it is best if you cool off and regroup right now, IMHO
This will only get very ugly if you continue to talk about this
while you are angry.  You guys are only ticking each other off more an
more and both of you are making less and less sense

As DC, we cannot force ourselves on anyone.  Perhaps we can physicall
do so by creating a gateway... but we will never gain acceptance or b
able to have any civil conversation by FORCING our way in

Justin you have control over Dcom... but not over SMD. If this turn
into a battle there is no way this gateway will work to increase D
registration. JMHO

*But dang.   I am often wrong about this stuff.*  Some people LOV
conflict....  I don't..

Just my 2 cents
Su

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:43 GMT
> Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Shoot, at least I dont have to change the title of my name to get
> everybody to know what I do.

You are assuming I am a dentist, which I am not.  That aside, I have been a
reg in this group since 1994.  For all you claim to be doing for dentistry
you sure have a bad attitude about dentists in general.  You should consider
doing something else with your "credentials".
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:17 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:

> > Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to ge
> > some really good discussion going
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> yo
> do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the net.
Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people jus
like you, but instead of posting through news readers, we do it throug
a website.

You need a bowl of cry baby soup

Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:23 GMT
> Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa we'll post here if we want to... WHO CARES
LAMER?????????????????  Doesn't mean we have to like you or your LAME method
of doing it.
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:36 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:

> > Tim Dixon Wrote:
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> method
> of doing it.I am only keeping this up because I my users like it. I could honestly
care less what you guys discuss. I dont read any other thread relating
to dentistry. I am not a dentist. I dont care if you like your way of
doing things. Just because you like using usenet the old fashoined way
doesnt mean your stupid. As a pc tech, I still have to use a command
line interface, and I often prefer it over a mouse. Its faster for me.

But to go out and call web based posting lame, is just ridiculous.

And when I say my user base I am talking about users who use dentalcom
to post. The same guys who once used newsgroup software or other ways
to post. Suddently you dont like their new way of posting. I dont care
if you guys dont like dc. To me, it just seems that you either like
your old way, or your stubborn and ignorant.

Do you treat people this way face to face? I wonder....

There is a poll vote on dc to keep the gateway or not. Your vote is
welcomed, but registration is required.

=)

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:49 GMT
> Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
> There is a poll vote on dc to keep the gateway or not. Your vote is
> welcomed, but registration is required.

Oh boy i'm impressed, a PC technician who uses a command prompt.
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:57 GMT
How about a young network admin who was nice enough to create a site fo
free out of his own spare time at the request of other dentists who liv
in other parts of the united states

DC isnt free, and I pay for it. I dont charge anything to dentists wh
want to use it. I promise to let anyone talk about anything, as long a
its not spam. This was a problem for us at one point in time, and it
the reasion why dc was created

I even added an arcade, so guys who know eachother over the internet
could play eachother if they wanted too. Which was something else
know other dentists wanted to do on other sites

Other people can at least show appreciation, but not everybody I guess

I am at a loss. Why is it hard to follow the conversations?

Its very easy for me. With dentalcom, and xnews software

And honestly were not "combining" anything. Look at the site. Your par
of the site is seperate from ours

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Dr. Steve - 29 Aug 2005 22:20 GMT
This is exactly the kind of crap that drove me off DT.  

>Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
>Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want.

```````````````````````
Stephen (What's a temporary?)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
W_B - 29 Aug 2005 22:47 GMT
>This is exactly the kind of crap that drove me off DT.  

What ? the crybaby soup ?

Prolly not seasoned very well.

<VBSEG>
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wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Sue - 29 Aug 2005 23:01 GMT
W_B Wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:20:52 GMT, Dr. Steve <DRSTEVE@HAMMER.COM>wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Take out the G'RBAG
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Well perhaps Dr. Steve will now be leaving SMD
That's too bad, but his choice

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Joel344 - 29 Aug 2005 23:33 GMT
REPLY

Actually most men claim they have no idea what binaries
are either yet those binary newsgroups are HUGE!~ C'Mon
Sue, fess up!

Joel

And seriously, I appreciate any lesson in usenet netiquette that yo
are willing to share. Thanks Tim & Bill for explaining binary. I had n
idea what you were talking about.

We (Dcom) are a small group. We should be able to work within you
expected boundaries without remaining PITAs (I hope!)

Su

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Sue - 29 Aug 2005 23:48 GMT
Joel344 Wrote:
> REPLY
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>  
Joel, Now don't making trouble with your binary jokes.  Who owns Sci
med anyway?  Thanks -Sue

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Joel344 - 29 Aug 2005 23:52 GMT
The human beings own it ......

Each ISP who so desires ... or so desired during the past 20 year
installed a network news (nntp) server. As they get messages, fo
example this one, the messages are relayed all around the world, serve
to server. We access from each server.

This was the original meaning of decentralized computing which wa
mandated to avoid a crippling (nuclear) blow to a centralized syste
located say, in Washington DC ...... from the Soviet Union or someon
else!

Locally, bulletin boards served similar function. These were all tex
based which is why the tradition continues.

Joel

Sue Wrote:
> Joel, Now don't making trouble with your binary jokes.  Who owns Sci me
> anyway?  Thanks -Su

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billkatz - 29 Aug 2005 23:57 GMT
Sue Wrote:
> Joel, Now don't making trouble with your binary jokes. Who owns Sci me
> anyway? Thanks -Sue
YousNet. Yous, Mees and Everybodyelses who reads it

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Sue - 30 Aug 2005 00:05 GMT
billkatz Wrote:
> YousNet. Yous, Mees and Everybodyelses who reads it.
So in other words Sci Med is public domain, not private like
Dentaltown.  So anyone can access and use it. Our gateway is just a
different avenue for accessing SMD than through the usenet. Is this
correct?  -Sue

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Joel344 - 30 Aug 2005 00:13 GMT
Yes this is true. The only thing that can happen is that
someone can claim you are harrassing them or something
but they have to send their driver's license in or something ...

the details escape me .....

Joe

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Joel344 - 30 Aug 2005 00:17 GMT
I heard you can get kicked out for lying but no
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billkatz - 30 Aug 2005 00:17 GMT
Sue

UseNet is like asking "what is the internet?" UseNet feeds vary fro
anything to possibly everything that one can discuss. Nobody own
UseNet and everybody owns UseNet, so yes, in a way, it is public domai
as long as those posting understand that copyrights and intellectua
property should be respected

Here's some info on UseNet - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usene

And here's a sampling of daily traffic

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=1><TBODY><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">4.5 'GB
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte)</TD><TD>1996-12</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD><
/TR><TR><T

style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">
GB</TD><TD>1997-07</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1
GB</TD><TD>1998-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">2
GB</TD><TD>1999-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">8
GB</TD><TD>2000-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">18
GB</TD><TD>2001-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">25
GB</TD><TD>2002-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">49
GB</TD><TD>2003-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">96
GB</TD><TD>2004-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.30 'TB
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabyte)</TD><TD>2004-09-30</TD><TD>Octanews.net</
TD></TR><TR><T

style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.2
TB</TD><TD>2004-11-30</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.3
TB</TD><TD>2004-12-31</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.3
TB</TD><TD>2005-01-01</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.3
TB</TD><TD>2005-01-01</TD><TD>Newsreader.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.6
TB</TD><TD>2005-01-31</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.6
TB</TD><TD>2005-02-01</TD><TD>Newsreader.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.8
TB</TD><TD>2005-02-28</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.8
TB</TD><TD>2005-03-08</TD><TD>Newsreader.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">2.00 TB</TD><TD>2005-03-11</TD><TD>Variou
sources</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE

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Sue - 30 Aug 2005 01:05 GMT
billkatz Wrote:
> Sue,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>  
REPLY.  Taks for the info Bill.  Is Sci med a moderated newsgroup?

*::Moderated and unmoderated newsgroups::*

A minority of newsgroups are *moderated*. That means that messages
submitted by readers are not distributed to USENET, but instead are
emailed to the *moderators* of the newsgroup, for approval. Moderated
newsgroups have rules called *charters*. Moderators are persons whose
job is to ensure that messages that the readers see in newsgroups,
conform to the charter of the newsgroup. Typically, moderators are
appointed in the proposal for the newsgroup, and changes of moderators
follow a succession plan.

The job of the moderator is to receive submitted articles, review
them, and inject approved articles so that they could properly
propagate worldwide. Such articles must bear the Approved: header line.

Unmoderated newsgroups form the majority of USENET newsgroups, and
messages submitted by readers for unmoderated newsgroups, are
immediately propagated for everyone to see.

Creation of moderated newsgroups often becomes a hot subject of
controversy, bringing up valid issues regarding censorship, vs. the
desire of a subset of users to form an 'Intentional community'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community).

['edit' (http://tinyurl.com/bpcbv)]

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Sue - 30 Aug 2005 01:05 GMT
Nevermind.  I can see that Sci med is unmoderated.  Thank you for th
link. -Su

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Joel344 - 30 Aug 2005 01:08 GMT
About ...

Creation of moderated newsgroups often becomes a hot subject of
controversy, bringing up valid issues regarding censorship, vs. the
desire of a subset of users to form an Intentional community.

REPLY

Sci.med.dentistry: UNMODERATED!

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Sue - 29 Aug 2005 18:36 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:

> > Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
> > some really good discussion going.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> you
> do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the net.
Hi Tom,
If we posted through Usenet would we still be
considered invaders?

Is this an issue of how we are accessing your usenet
group or is it the content of our posts that you do
not like.

I would like to take part in SMD Usenet on occasion
as I think there is some good discussion there. I
apologize for Justin's demeanor.  He has worked hard to
get Dcom off the ground and I think he is just very
disappointed that this gateway is viewed as an invasion
by you folks.

I can see that you have not been attacking Justin or
any of us... you only wish to continue to frequent
usenet without a bunch of posts coming in out of order.
That is perfectly understandable!

Justin and Joel were trying to explain a way that
can be done.  I am sorry it turned into an argument.

Rather than giving up already,  perhaps you may consider
some of the positivies this could bring for those of you on
the usenet group... IF we can alleviate the positnf format
issues.

For example, one advantage of Dentalcom is that you
can post  pictures here.  I am not sure if you can do that
at SMD.  

IMHO, We really need you guys.  (I know you do not need us).
But perhaps we can add something that you currently do
not have?

Please think about it some more.
Sincerely,
-Sue

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:49 GMT
> Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
> Sincerely,
> -Sue

Sue I don't have anything against you, or DC, be that Washington or
otherwise.  However, it' apparent to most of us, that you all could use some
lessons in usenettiquette.  And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD, and we
like it that way.
Amatus Cremona - 29 Aug 2005 19:01 GMT
> Is this an issue of how we are accessing your Usenet
> group or is it the content of our posts that you do
> not like.

If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars have virtually
disappeared from SMD since DC came around.  Partly due to weird stuff Joel
brings along. partly due to the Hg and kilowatt folks who follow him around,
partly due to DC filling SMD with posts that would require us to constantly
mark about 500 already posts as "unread" so that we could strain out the
message the DCfolks are responding to.  We have no idea what is being
discussed.  I find it easier to just block any messages which come directly
from DC.  No offense against any of the folk there.  I like Joel, I would
probably like the rest of the DC folk IRL.  I just don't have the interest
to chase through all those steps to figure out what is being discussed.

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>
>> Tim Dixon Wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
> some lessons in usenettiquette.  And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD,
> and we like it that way.
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 19:09 GMT
Amatus Cremona Wrote:

> > Is this an issue of how we are accessing your Usene
> > group or is it the content of our posts that you d
[quoted text clipped - 94 lines]
> > and we like it that way
> >As long as we hit the quote button everything works for us, and you guy
know what were talking about

As far as posts constantly needing to be marked as read, I dont hav
that problem with x-news. Or the news software my buddy used

This place is public, if anyone wants to post here they should be abl
to. If others dont like it dont read it. This is why dc has an ignor
feature, but we dont use it.

This place went downhill long before one person could cause it.
ITs been going downhill for years now, I have seen the chart.

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carabelli - 29 Aug 2005 19:23 GMT
"Administrator" <Administrator@DentalCom.net> wrote ......................

> This place went downhill long before one person could cause it.
> ITs been going downhill for years now, I have seen the chart.
>
> --
> Administrator

Nope, actually it was getting better.  It started a little shy of nine
months ago.

carabelli
Tony Bad - 29 Aug 2005 19:26 GMT
> "Administrator" <Administrator@DentalCom.net> wrote ......................
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> carabelli

Leave it to an IT guy to judge quality solely by numbers.

T
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 19:33 GMT
Tony Bad Wrote:

> > "Administrator" <ADMINISTRATOR@DENTALCOM.NET>wrot
> .....................
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> T
My favorite userbase is the one on DentalCom, we have the smallest o
all the numbers, but at least were not declining

Ok. Last post

Grrr

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carabelli - 29 Aug 2005 19:48 GMT
> Tony Bad Wrote:
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
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The ratio of quality posts / total posts was increasing.  And, probably the
total number of quality posts increased also.

carabelli
Sue - 29 Aug 2005 19:53 GMT
Amatus wrote (quotes)

"If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars hav
virtuall
disappeared from SMD since DC came around.

REPLY.  I cannot compare because I have no idea who the regulars wer
or are on SMD

"I find it easier to just block any messages which come directl
from DC."

REPLY. Certainly understandable.  It was difficult for me to relaiz
this because people have beem responding to my posts.  Therefore I ha
little idea as to the confusion you were/are dealing with

"However, it' apparent to most of us, that you all could use som
lessons in usenettiquette.

REPLY.  How to we get lessons?  What are your rules

"And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD, and we like it that way.

REPLY.  I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean that you do
not allow anyone to post on other newsgroups, dentalbords etc. If tha
is the case, how in the world can you control that

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 20:03 GMT
> Amatus wrote (quotes):
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> not allow anyone to post on other newsgroups, dentalbords etc. If that
> is the case, how in the world can you control that?

Sue,

Herein lies some of the problems.  You mixed comments by me and comments by
Amatus as though you were adressing the same person.  This is what is
driving us nuts.  I am sure it wasn't intentional, but this is a problem
nonetheless.  I can't comment on your questions to Amatus, just like he
can't/shouldn't comment to those you made to me.

That was lesson one for usenettiquette.

As for Binaries, they (images, video, other file types) are not allowed on
this Usenet newsgroup.  There are binary newsgroups where you can post
binary content, but this is strictly text based.  Its not us that restrict
the content, but rather the system of UseNet.

Why not just get a news reader like Forte Free Agent, or Outlook, or
Netscape, or some other reader and follow news the way it was meant to be
used.  Just because you can do something doesn't make it right.
billkatz - 29 Aug 2005 20:17 GMT
“partly due to the Hg and kilowatt folks who follow him around,
partly due to DC filling SMD with posts that would require us t
constantly mark about 500 already posts as "unread" so that we coul
strain out the message the DCfolks are responding to. We have no ide
what is being discussed. I find it easier to just block any message
which come directly from DC”

Amatus,

Are you telling us that DentalCom is posting messages that your reade
recognizes as already read? I’m asking because groups like Google an
readers like OE show them as new. If so, please explain. There may b
something that can be done from this end to resolve the problem. Mos
if not all newsgroup readers are picking up new messages without havin
to mark 500 as unread.

Tim,

No binaries are posted via DC. Hyperlinks are what’s been posted an
there’s nothing wrong with linking an image. Just tell you
newsreader to not open hyperlinks if you don’t want to see th
picture. Binaries, no! Please, give it a rest.

To everyone else,

I really can’t see why some are genuinely so upset about posts fro
DC aside for the appearance of being interlopers onto what is
*totally public newsgroup*. On average, fifteen to twenty posts ar
coming out per day, which isn’t much at all for a newsgroup. I’
not even going to address “usenettiquette”; that’s just a load o
bullsh*t because the same people who are complaining about it don’
even bother to trim off their posts.

In most cases, the solution is simple. Elect a moderator and post som
rules. Nobody should be expected to guess what the guidelines of thi
group are if they’re not made available. BTW, the newsfeeds coming t
and from this website, Google, healthcareforums.org, dailydentistry.com
med-help.info, sci.tech-archive.net, health-related-chat.com, etc, etc
etc, etc are all FULLY NNTP COMPLIANT.

Good grief

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Joel344 - 29 Aug 2005 20:57 GMT
PS~ I am trying to figure out which technique is easier,
slicker, more convenient, better for communicating .... Forte Fre
Agent (usenet) or DentalCom.Net (http).

Joel

Hello!

I intended to answer the following miscommunications,
but by the time I got to the top I figured there was no use!

Anyone who looks at DentalCom realizes that posts coming
from "outside: have the poster martked as Guest, and the
number of posts is n/a.

Its easy to discriminate between posters from DentalCom
and elsewhere.

That said, it is not the DentalCom people causing the traffic.
Oh except for me maybe.

I also post and read through Forte Free Agent
and Deja to see how it looks elsewhere.

Joel

Here are the people "clogging up sci.med.dentistry" August 1 throug
August 28:

** means DentalCom.net posters, primarily.

[321]    **Joel344 <joeleichen@yahoo.com>  13.1%
[213]    W_B <no_one@nowhere.net>  8.7%
[174]    StovePipe <stove99pipeTRA@SHHyahoo.ca>  7.1%
[120]    Flap <fullosseousflap@gmail.com>  4.9%
[110]    Dr Steve <nospam@home.net>  4.5%
[80]    **Sue <s.c.madden@comcast.net>  3.3%
[78]    *(?)*letsconnect <letsconnect@myway.com>  3.2%
[57]    Mark & Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com>  2.3%
[56]    **billkatz <billthekat@hotmail.com>  2.3%
[48]    **Administrator <Administrator@DentalCom.net>  2.0%
[44]    shadlewis <shadlewis@gmail.com>  1.8%
[43]    LadyLollipop <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com>  1.8%
[40]    Robert Morien <PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com>  1.6%
[37]    Vaughn <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net>  1.5%
[32]    Tim Dixon <timgdixon-no-spam@cox.net>  1.3%
[32]    Dr Steve <"Dr>  1.3%
[31]    Amatus Cremona <leavemealone@GDAE.com>  1.3%
[30]    The Webby <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.co...>  1.2%
[29]    Alexander Vasserman DDS <purple543210@yahoo.ca>  1.2%
[28]    Dr. Steve <Drsteve@hammer.com>  1.1%
[28]    Steven Fawks <tuthjockey@earthlink.net>  1.1%
[27]    George Chatzipetros <chpetros@hotmail.com>  1.1%
[26]    Bill <dentaldoc@hotmail.com>  1.1%
[23]    Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinnonsense@earthlink.net>  0.9%
[23]    NOYB <noyb@noyb.com>  0.9%

Here are the topics "clogging up sci.med.dentistry," same time period!

[220]  Rod Kurthy's Deep Bleaching Technique  8.96%
[99]  Sensitive - Pain - Root Canal  4.03%
[96]  dentalcom.net - smd gateway  3.91%
[89]  JEWS AND PHOTOGRAPHY  3.62%
[70]  Patterson Dental: Defrauding Investors?  2.85%
[70]  Connecticut Voters Say Ban Dental Mercury*  2.85%
[67]  Hilary Duff's New Teeth  2.73%
[66]  DentalCom.Net test  2.69%
[53]  This Commerical Building Is Perfect For A Den...  2.16%
[52]  Stuff About Dinosaurs I Never Knew .....  2.12%

BillKatz wrote,

To everyone else,

I really can’t see why some are genuinely so upset about posts fro
DC aside for the appearance of being interlopers onto what is
*totally public newsgroup*. On average, fifteen to twenty posts ar
coming out per day, which isn’t much at all for a newsgroup. I’
not even going to address “usenettiquette”; that’s just a load o
bullsh*t because the same people who are complaining about it don’
even bother to trim off their posts.

In most cases, the solution is simple. Elect a moderator and post som
rules. Nobody should be expected to guess what the guidelines of thi
group are if they’re not made available. BTW, the newsfeeds coming t
and from this website, Google, healthcareforums.org, dailydentistry.com
med-help.info, sci.tech-archive.net, health-related-chat.com, etc, etc
etc, etc are all FULLY NNTP COMPLIANT.

Good grief!

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> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
> some really good discussion going.

No one on SMD objects to the posters from DC, we just cannot follo
postings
the same way, so the conversations make no sense to us. If you want to
converse, just log in to the Usenet like the rest of us do. Why is
there a
need to "combine" things when the system is fine as it is?

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> Is this an issue of how we are accessing your Usenet
> group or is it the content of our posts that you do
> not like.

If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars have
virtually
disappeared from SMD since DC came around. Partly due to weird stuff
Joel
brings along. partly due to the Hg and kilowatt folks who follow him
around,
partly due to DC filling SMD with posts that would require us to
constantly
mark about 500 already posts as "unread" so that we could strain out
the
message the DCfolks are responding to. We have no idea what is being
discussed. I find it easier to just block any messages which come
directly
from DC. No offense against any of the folk there. I like Joel, I
would
probably like the rest of the DC folk IRL. I just don't have the
interest
to chase through all those steps to figure out what is being
discussed.

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Amatus

You have an interesting view...I see it differently.

It seems to me that one or two people have taken it upon themselves to
hijack this group and shape it into something they want it to be. I
don't
like it, as it seems to have evolved into a mirror of other sites I
have
avoided over the years.

You may see that as lame, but I see your recent changes here as
invasive and
don't quite grasp why you feel it is the burden of those here long
before
you to work to grasp the changes we neither wanted or asked for. Don't
worry, in a few weeks all of the lame regulars who frequented this
group
will have lost interest and vanish and then you and Joel can do what
ever
you want in your new sandbox.

I also can't help but note that you have a rather low opinion of those
in
the dental profession...I hope when working at your job with Onsite
Dental
Systems you are able to mask that little chip on your shoulder.

T

Tony--

It seems to me that in the past few weeks the posting volume has gone
from manageable to insane. I know I'm reading less, not more of the
postings here.
Maybe things will settle down again, but right now I can't cope.

Steve

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Amatus wrote (quotes):

"If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars have
virtually
disappeared from SMD since DC came around."

REPLY. I cannot compare because I have no idea who the regulars were or
are on SMD.

"I find it easier to just block any messages which come directly
from DC."

REPLY. Certainly understandable. It was difficult for me to relaize
this because people have beem responding to my posts. Therefore I had
little idea as to the confusion you were/are dealing with

"However, it' apparent to most of us, that you all could use some
lessons in usenettiquette."

REPLY. How to we get lessons? What are your rules?

"And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD, and we like it that way."

REPLY. I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean that you do
not allow anyone to post on other newsgroups, dentalbords etc. If that
is the case, how in the world can you control that?

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Sue - 29 Aug 2005 22:25 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:
> Sue
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> b
> used. Just because you can do something doesn't make it right.
Tim

You are right.  It was not intentional.  I made a mistake.  Thanks fo
point this out.

I think our group of normally friendly D-commies are acting a bit hoit
toity myself (sorry guys, but you know I do not hesitate to be honest)

We descended upon your SMD usenet group in an effort to increase ou
readership and allo ourlseves more discussion

Since we are the invaders, I think we are the ones who need to be ver
respectful of your concerns.

I for one am going to try very hard to be judicious in my posts that g
to SMD .. try to be very considerate of their space and limit my number
of posts so as NOT to clog up their site

This thread being the exception, because this is a thread here we ar
at least discussing SMD's concerns.

And seriously, I appreciate any lesson in usenet netiquette that yo
are willing to share.  Thanks Tim & Bill for explaining binary. I ha
no idea what you were talking about

We (Dcom) are a small group.  We should be able to work within you
expected boundaries without remaining PITAs (I hope!

Su

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Dr. Steve - 06 Sep 2005 20:10 GMT
>Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
>Sincerely,
>-Sue

You know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I could have sworn that it has been mentioned
that no regulars from SMD dislike the regul;ars from DC.  The problem
is that in Usenet, your posting show up with no easy way to follow
what the heck is being said to whom about what.  

Even your brilliant administrator seems not to know how to add his
line of text on a new line from the message he is responding to.
Justin's last message got partially buried under the copied text line
of the poster he was responding to.  

You folk are all fine.  But,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I am not going to hang out
at your dear little web-site.  I have no need.  I can work a list of
NG's on OE or in Agent in moments, get all the new messages, figure
out what is being said, reply if I want to, and get offline.  I can do
this in short little bursts f Usenet activity.  

Why not just log into newsgroups in a normal fashion and explore the
differences?

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Joel M. Eichen - 06 Sep 2005 22:30 GMT
What Steve says is correct.

I have tried to follow threads on several different formats. May I
suggest this?

1. Unquote the DentalCom quotes.

It starts with [ q u o t e = S u e ] without the spaces.

So I change it to

Sue said,

And when its not clear who said what, its best to delete al lthat and
just say what you want to say ........

Any other suggestions .....?

Joel

>>Tim Dixon Wrote:
>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Dr. Steve - 06 Sep 2005 22:53 GMT
>What Steve says is correct.
>
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>
>Any other suggestions .....?

How about this idea?

Log on with a news group server and access the news group the way it
is supposed to be accessed?

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Joel M. Eichen - 06 Sep 2005 23:21 GMT
>How about this idea?
>
>Log on with a news group server and access the news group the way it
>is supposed to be accessed?

To tell you the truth, that is how I post in general. I also post
through the web just to see how it looks over there.

Joel
Roy Brown - 07 Sep 2005 06:34 GMT
I agree

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Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 08:38 GMT
Me too.

Vaughn, would you say that the amateur bands were
meant to be accessed through continuous wave (C.W.)? Of course not!

Just send Morse Code like the am bands (jam bands) were
meant to be accessed.

Joel

Gotta go......... my telegraph key is clickin' .......

Joel

>I agree
Dr. Steve - 07 Sep 2005 15:55 GMT
Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader.  If anything, it
is step backwards.  Plus, it is moderated and restricted.

>Me too.
>
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>
>>I agree

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Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 17:46 GMT
The alternative is to post through a newsreader.

DentalCom does not replace sci.med.dentistry, it enhances
sci.med.dentistry.

I do not think it is moderated however.

Joel

>Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader.  If anything, it
>is step backwards.  Plus, it is moderated and restricted.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Flap - 07 Sep 2005 19:16 GMT
Joel's Post:

The alternative is to post through a newsreader.

DentalCom does not replace sci.med.dentistry, it enhances
sci.med.dentistry.

I do not think it is moderated however.

Joel

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:55:15 GMT, Dr. Steve <Drst...@hammer.com>
wrote:
>Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader.  If anything, it
>is step backwards.  Plus, it is moderated and restricted.

>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 03:38:25 -0400, Joel M. Eichen
><joeleic...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>Me too.

>>Vaughn, would you say that the amateur bands were
>>meant to be accessed through continuous wave (C.W.)? Of course not!

>>Just send Morse Code like the am bands (jam bands) were
>>meant to be accessed.

>>Joel

>>Gotta go......... my telegraph key is clickin' .......

>>Joel

>>On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:34:01 -0400, "Roy Brown"
>><roybr...@sympatico.caNADA> wrote:

>>>I agree

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Flap's Reply:

Joel, DentalCom.net is restricted and certainly moderated.  Justin
Shafer, the Administrator can modify and/or delete whatever he wishes.

When Justin, (the Administrator), and I had a disagreement after I
helped set up the site, he banned me and deleted all of my previous
posts.

Just the facts.....

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
jshafer817 - 07 Sep 2005 22:47 GMT
Flap Wrote:
> Joel's Post:
>
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
>
> http://flapsblog.com

LOL, Flap lets hear all the facts. Did I not warn you if you eve
posted on DC again under flap, that I would remove all your posts, onl
because the first time I warned you, you kept on posting???? You go
warned, and when you tried to take another inch, I did exactly what
told you I would do.... Put your username on banned status, and remov
all your threads. You would think you would just post under a differen
name but no you wanted to test my limits.

Flap and I were partners... I did 90% of the work.. The bigges
contribution flap did, was name the site, and spam people. He name
most of the older forums, but the setup was almost exactly lik
dentaltowns, because the list he went off of to name forums, was fro
dentaltown. I did everything else, and we started the site because d
removed all the posts with the name israel in it. I have paid fo
everthing, and I setup the bulletin board, the hosting, countles
hacks, etc, etc, etc. It took about 2-3 weeks, and that was just th
beginning.

I still post on dental town, and I told him from the begining that if
make a forum based site, that I dont want to piss of anyone fro
dentaltown, in such a way that I get banned. At the time I had aroun
1,000 posts, and I didnt want to loose the ability to keep posting
Which I still have. He lost his ability because he was banned, an
after that he didnt care what happened to me.

He kept stealing images from a post on dentaltown, from a guy who is a
advocate for cerec. I think he sells it. He kept using this mans images
and then drawing on them, and talked about how horrible it was. He sai
he saw stuff like this all the time.

This dentist asked me to remove the images, and I knew that I didn
really have the image on my site legally, and since everything is in m
name I might be liable. This man is friends with the owner of DT, an
besides this he seems like a nice guy to me, nicer then you greg.

Flap always had his way when it came to any comprimise. And this ma
was getting pretty pissed off. I called a local dentist for advice o
what to do. Dr. H told me to tell flap to piss off, and to get his ow
images since he claims to do this all the time.

That was good enough for me, so when I called flap to politely persuad
him to remove the images and get his own, he told me that I have tw
options and that I need to think about it.

Option 1: Sell dentalcom to him, and perhaps he can pay me to work o
it...... Hmmm.

Option 2: He is going to use the images.

I told him I would think about it and call him back shortly.....

I went out for around 30 minutes to relax, enjoy the day, breath th
air, and come up with option #3... Since I devoted most of the time,
all of the money, and everything is in my name... Then I will just
ignore flap. I told him not to post again, but I left his account open,
so that he could be tempted.... A test if you will...

Well he was tempted, and posted under his name, I told him if he did it
again, I would ban the account, and remove all the posts....

He apologized.... and I dont hate him/you. But I havent forgotten how
much effort I put into this site, only because you called me and asked
me to do it. I put tons of energy and time into the site, and you
couldnt even do me this one favor. In fact, I think you tried using it
as a way into manipulating me into selling you the site. I am not the
only one who though you topped it all off by insulting the person who
gave you a site for peanuts.... And by the way you still havent created
a forum yet. Just a blog, and blogs are easy to create....

Now I just keep dentalcom open for a few people... I just cant seem to
take it down. My favorite thing is a friendly competition in the
arcade...

Which flap cannot stand, I am sure.

Flap, stop talking about yourself in the third person... its just plain
weird. Who does that?

Justin thinks that the internet is very cool. Justin also thinks that
katrina will be expensive. Justin should consider about referring to
his own ideas in the first person.... =)

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Dr. Steve - 08 Sep 2005 11:57 GMT
>Flap Wrote:
>> Joel's Post:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
>> Joel

>LOL, Flap lets hear all the facts. Did I not warn you if you ever
>posted on DC again under flap, that I would remove all your posts, only
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>all your threads. You would think you would just post under a different
>name but no you wanted to test my limits.

You know what, the more I hear about DC the less impressed I become.

You DC folk who want to participate with SMD, get a *%#$*ng
newsreader.
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Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 13:11 GMT
Steve,

Make a list ,,,,,,, there are exactly three people posting from
DentalCom.

That's it!

Everythign else is originating from SMD or a spin off.

Joel

>You know what, the more I hear about DC the less impressed I become.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sdores - 08 Sep 2005 13:37 GMT
Hi Joel, as you know I just lurk and occasionally ask a question.  But there
has to be a lot of others outside smd posting.  The reason I say this is as
an example today I downloaded over a 100 posts.  SMD didn't have that many
post during the whole time I found the site.  I personally like it the other
way.  There are way more flame wars going on lately and the regulars who
posted here are not anymore or are just a little.  Just my opinion but I
think this is an over kill of messages.  UM MOM Susan
> Steve,
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 14:10 GMT
>Hi Joel, as you know I just lurk and occasionally ask a question.  But there
>has to be a lot of others outside smd posting.  The reason I say this is as
>an example today I downloaded over a 100 posts.  SMD didn't have that many
>post during the whole time I found the site.

REPLY

Me too!

It was a little flame war between Flap and Justin. Flap was posting
from smd while Justin was posting from DentalCom. We hope its over.

On a personal note, I am recalling when Jan Drew and I went at each
others throats, and saner posters just had to bear with it for a bit.

Joel

> I personally like it the other
>way.  There are way more flame wars going on lately and the regulars who
>posted here are not anymore or are just a little.  Just my opinion but I
>think this is an over kill of messages.

TRUE!

>  UM MOM Susan
>> Steve,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>>>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
W_B - 08 Sep 2005 19:13 GMT
>On a personal note, I am recalling when Jan Drew and I went at each
>others throats, and saner posters just had to bear with it for a bit.
>
>Joel

Nah, we used the kill filter option.
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Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 01:11 GMT
>Joel's Post:
>
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
>Joel, DentalCom.net is restricted

REPLY

"Restricted?" No Jewish people?

I bet the Chinese food isn't that good at DentalCom then.

>and certainly moderated.  Justin
>Shafer, the Administrator can modify and/or delete whatever he wishes.
>
>When Justin, (the Administrator), and I had a disagreement after I
>helped set up the site, he banned me and deleted all of my previous
>posts.

Oh, I never hold it against anyone who gets banned ........

Joel

>Just the facts.....
>
>Flap
>
>http://flapsblog.com
Dr. Steve - 08 Sep 2005 11:51 GMT
>Joel's Post:
>
>The alternative is to post through a newsreader.
>
>DentalCom does not replace sci.med.dentistry, it enhances
>sci.med.dentistry.

??????????

Enhances?
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Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 13:11 GMT
>>Joel's Post:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Through in-line photos ........
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 00:03 GMT
Dr. Steve Wrote:
> Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it
> is step backwards. Plus, it is moderated and restricted.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Stephen (What's a temporary?)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How can I moderate posts that come from usenet? I can remove them, but
it would be completly obvious.

The only person who has ever been banned and his posts removed from the
dentalcom forums is flap. And it was after enough warnings that I
assumed he just didnt care about his posts...  Either this, or he was
just testing me out, to see how far he could go. Not very far.
Either way, he acts like it wasnt fair. Give me a break flap.

It must be nice to sit here and complain about something, and act like
its just factual.

You knew your posts were going to be removed if you crossed the line,
because I warned you. Now they are gone and you sit and complain.

Sigh!

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Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 01:13 GMT
Water over the dam ,,,,,,,, not important ........

Joel

>You knew your posts were going to be removed if you crossed the line,
>because I warned you. Now they are gone and you sit and complain.
>
>Sigh!
Flap - 08 Sep 2005 03:19 GMT
Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post:

How can I moderate posts that come from usenet? I can remove them, but
it would be completly obvious.

The only person who has ever been banned and his posts removed from the
dentalcom forums is flap. And it was after enough warnings that I
assumed he just didnt care about his posts...  Either this, or he was
just testing me out, to see how far he could go. Not very far.
Either way, he acts like it wasnt fair. Give me a break flap.

It must be nice to sit here and complain about something, and act like
its just factual.

You knew your posts were going to be removed if you crossed the line,
because I warned you. Now they are gone and you sit and complain.

Sigh!

--
Administrator

Flap's Post:

Justin tell the truth and stop fabricating stories.

It is obvious to all here at SMD that you are attempting to hihack SMD.
It was obvious from previous posts to long time usenet members what a
jerk you really are.

Why don't you delete the SMD post feed at dentalcom and try to make it
on your own, if you can.

Oh and explain to everyone (as if they care) your offer to sell me
dentalcom.net and when I wouldn't agree to your price then you as the
Administrator deleted all of my posts.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
letsconnect - 08 Sep 2005 03:35 GMT
Flap Wrote:
> Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> SMD.
>  
Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote
AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P.

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Flap - 08 Sep 2005 03:53 GMT
Previous Post:

Flap Wrote:
> Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post:

> Flap's Post:

> Justin tell the truth and stop fabricating stories.

> It is obvious to all here at SMD that you are attempting to hihack
> SMD.

Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote
AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P.

--
letsconnect

Flap's Reply:

Then he should do us all a favor here at SMD and disable it.  It is
very difficult to follow some of the posts originating at dentalcom.

The SMD natives are restless.

If Joel and Sue wish to post at SMD they can do so in other ways.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 04:27 GMT
Flap, nobody is fabricating stories and not one person here will
validate anything you say. Your so full of sh*t it stinks. By the way,
its good to hear you speak in the first person.

letsconnect is right, just last night I wanted to remove the gateway,
but I didnt. Hell last night I thought about taking dentalcom down, but
I didnt. And I dont think I will. I just dont seem to be able to do it.
It's like some curse that I hold you responcible for.

I am not going to put up with your lies flap. Every single thing I said
was 100% true, and you know it.

Would you like to start off by finding a part of my story thats a
lie???

You didnt in your last responce, because every single thing I said was
true...

Ask joel, bill, and sue, and they will tell you the same. I dont lie,
and I didnt lie in my last post. I didnt fabricate anything. You just
so full of it and embaressed right now, that you will say anything to
hide it. I know you, I bet I know you better then anyone here. I spent
2 months with you almost everyday talking on the phone. I thought you
were a nice guy, but I was wrong. I knew it when you wanted to use the
morman thread on dt, and try to to convince others to talk about it on
dentalcom. That makes me think that you dont have a lot of
spirituality, and a lack of morality. And you havent changed. Countless
times I have been hoping for onde day to see you a better person, and
maybe even apologize. Then I would put your posts back up. But you
havent changed, and your still the same a**hole. Thats why I havent
invited you back to be co-partner with me, even though I have thought
about it over 100 times, and even written the pm, and email to invite
you over. Everytime I do I wait 30 minutes before I hit send, and
everytime I remember what a prick you are, and how you will do
ANYTHING, for your own benefit. Joel seems to like you, but joel seems
to like everybody. Joel has been the main reason for the past year that
I keep dentalcom up. I have never met a nicer guy then joel. Anyone who
dislikes him, or puts him down is just a total as*hole, just like you.

AND BY THE WAY. I READ THE POST ABOUT HOW YOU GUYS WERE MAKING FUN OF
SOMEONE WHO LOVES TO BLEACH TEETH. aBOUT HIS WEIGHT PROBLEM!

Were supposed to be men! Since when do we give a flying rats butt,
about the guys weight sitting next to us? Flap, you were overweight
just one year ago! And I have read where you like to insult others over
a weight problem. Whats worse is I remember you verbally speaking about
how much you hated other people insulting you over your weight problem.
I know it affected you personally. I know you lost weight, and I commend
you for it. Not because you look better, but because you feel better
about yourself.

BUT TO MAKE FUN OF OTHERS, WHEN YOU YOURSELF DIDNT LIKE THE WEIGHT
PROBLEM.... THATS JUST SHAMEFUL!!!!!

Time after time, I have to remind myself what an arrogant person you
are!!!!!

By the way, I deleted the post about you guys making fun of someone
elses nakedness. You guys need to think twice before I will allow, and
pay, for bull**** like that to be on the internet. He too, has
feelings, in case anyone here has forgotten.

Is there any morality left anywhere?????

Flap Wrote:
> Previous Post:
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> http://flapsblog.com

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Flap - 08 Sep 2005 05:25 GMT
Justin Shafer's Post:

Flap, nobody is fabricating stories and not one person here will
validate anything you say. Your so full of sh*t it stinks. By the way,
its good to hear you speak in the first person.

letsconnect is right, just last night I wanted to remove the gateway,
but I didnt. Hell last night I thought about taking dentalcom down, but
I didnt. And I dont think I will. I just dont seem to be able to do it.
It's like some curse that I hold you responcible for.

I am not going to put up with your lies flap. Every single thing I said
was 100% true, and you know it.

Would you like to start off by finding a part of my story thats a
lie???

You didnt in your last responce, because every single thing I said was
true...

Ask joel, bill, and sue, and they will tell you the same. I dont lie,
and I didnt lie in my last post. I didnt fabricate anything. You just
so full of it and embaressed right now, that you will say anything to
hide it. I know you, I bet I know you better then anyone here. I spent
2 months with you almost everyday talking on the phone. I thought you
were a nice guy, but I was wrong. I knew it when you wanted to use the
morman thread on dt, and try to to convince others to talk about it on
dentalcom. That makes me think that you dont have a lot of
spirituality, and a lack of morality. And you havent changed. Countless
times I have been hoping for onde day to see you a better person, and
maybe even apologize. Then I would put your posts back up. But you
havent changed, and your still the same a**hole. Thats why I havent
invited you back to be co-partner with me, even though I have thought
about it over 100 times, and even written the pm, and email to invite
you over. Everytime I do I wait 30 minutes before I hit send, and
everytime I remember what a prick you are, and how you will do
ANYTHING, for your own benefit. Joel seems to like you, but joel seems
to like everybody. Joel has been the main reason for the past year that
I keep dentalcom up. I have never met a nicer guy then joel. Anyone who
dislikes him, or puts him down is just a total as*hole, just like you.

AND BY THE WAY. I READ THE POST ABOUT HOW YOU GUYS WERE MAKING FUN OF
SOMEONE WHO LOVES TO BLEACH TEETH. aBOUT HIS WEIGHT PROBLEM!

Were supposed to be men! Since when do we give a flying rats butt,
about the guys weight sitting next to us? Flap, you were overweight
just one year ago! And I have read where you like to insult others over
a weight problem. Whats worse is I remember you verbally speaking about
how much you hated other people insulting you over your weight problem.
I know it affected you personally. I know you lost weight, and I
commend
you for it. Not because you look better, but because you feel better
about yourself.

BUT TO MAKE FUN OF OTHERS, WHEN YOU YOURSELF DIDNT LIKE THE WEIGHT
PROBLEM.... THATS JUST SHAMEFUL!!!!!

Time after time, I have to remind myself what an arrogant person you
are!!!!!

By the way, I deleted the post about you guys making fun of someone
elses nakedness. You guys need to think twice before I will allow, and
pay, for bull**** like that to be on the internet. He too, has
feelings, in case anyone here has forgotten.

Is there any morality left anywhere?????

Flap Wrote:

> Previous Post:

> Flap Wrote:
> > Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post:

> > Flap's Post:

> > Justin tell the truth and stop fabricating stories.

> > It is obvious to all here at SMD that you are attempting to hihack
> > SMD.

> Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote
> AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P.

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> letsconnect

> Flap's Reply:

> Then he should do us all a favor here at SMD and disable it. It is
> very difficult to follow some of the posts originating at dentalcom.

> The SMD natives are restless.

> If Joel and Sue wish to post at SMD they can do so in other ways.

> Flap

> http://flapsblog.com

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Flap's Reply:

What are you talking about?

This is boring and not of any interest to the SMD.

Just remove the DentalCom.net hack of the SMD and all will be good.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Dr. Steve - 08 Sep 2005 12:01 GMT
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Sdores - 08 Sep 2005 13:43 GMT
Why don't you two take this garbage to email?!  UM MOM Susan

> Flap, nobody is fabricating stories and not one person here will
> validate anything you say. Your so full of sh*t it stinks. By the way,
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>> http://flapsblog.com
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 14:11 GMT
>Why don't you two take this garbage to email?!  UM MOM Susan

REPLY

YUP, what I often do when there are 100 messages or 500 messages is I
mark "ALL MESSAGES READ," and away they go!

How are you accessing SMD, Susan?

Joel

>> Flap, nobody is fabricating stories and not one person here will
>> validate anything you say. Your so full of sh*t it stinks. By the way,
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>>> http://flapsblog.com
Sdores - 08 Sep 2005 15:23 GMT
Through Bellsouth, and I too mark a lot of the post read.  UM MOM Susan

>>Why don't you two take this garbage to email?!  UM MOM Susan
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>>>> http://flapsblog.com
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 15:25 GMT
So you are using Microsoft Outlook Express, we presume!

Hang in there ..... as of now the link is gone.

THE GATEWAY

Joel

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>Through Bellsouth, and I too mark a lot of the post read.  UM MOM Susan
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>> Joel
Sdores - 08 Sep 2005 15:31 GMT
Yea Outlook but just for newsgroup thanks goodness.  I am happy to here the
gateway is gone. Please email those who said they were leaving.  UM MOM
Susan
> So you are using Microsoft Outlook Express, we presume!
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>>> Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 15:36 GMT
>Yea Outlook but just for newsgroup thanks goodness.  I am happy to here the
>gateway is gone. Please email those who said they were leaving.  UM MOM
>Susan

I do not have their e-mails but could someone alert the troops?

Joel

>> So you are using Microsoft Outlook Express, we presume!
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>>>> Joel
Sdores - 08 Sep 2005 15:44 GMT
I don't either!  But would like to see them all come back too.  UM MOM Susan

>>Yea Outlook but just for newsgroup thanks goodness.  I am happy to here
>>the
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Justin Shafer - 08 Sep 2005 16:00 GMT
I havent liked the gateway for quite some time. Joel liked it.

All you guys are pricks. All I ever did for you guys is try to make
you happy. You guys dont appreciate a dman thing, and I am glad I wnnt
have to hear about you guys anymore.

Happy birthday by the way shad. Maybe you missed it. I dont care if
you did. I was nice enough to tell you happy b-day on DT.

Bye Bye SMD.

Too much hypocrisy for me.

Let it be known. The only reason this gateway is up was for joel. Joel
liked it.

Joel, I dont like you. You have no heart. You cant even defend me
while flap just flaps away. At least sue has some balls.

You guys have fun.

>I don't either!  But would like to see them all come back too.  UM MOM Susan
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carabelli - 08 Sep 2005 16:04 GMT
> I havent liked the gateway for quite some time. Joel liked it.
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> Bye Bye SMD.

Don't let the door hit your a.s.

carabelli
Amatus Cremona - 08 Sep 2005 16:59 GMT
> All you guys are pr%*ks. All I ever did for you guys is try to make
> you happy. You guys don't appreciate a d*mn thing, and I am glad I won't
> have to hear about you guys anymore.

What happened to this guy?  Couldn't he drum enough business through this DC
site to justify the costs?  Since he is a DT regular, one must assume a
certain level of sales anticipation behind most efforts, but, then again,
maybe not.

If the gateway closes down, will Sue figure out how to get here?

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>> I havent liked the gateway for quite some time. Joel liked it.
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> carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 09 Sep 2005 00:51 GMT
>> All you guys are pr%*ks. All I ever did for you guys is try to make
>> you happy. You guys don't appreciate a d*mn thing, and I am glad I won't
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>certain level of sales anticipation behind most efforts, but, then again,
>maybe not.

Moiney was not his motivation. I gave him several good suggestions to
make some money from the technology, but he was content just to have
made it happen ....

Joel

>If the gateway closes down, will Sue figure out how to get here?
Joel M. Eichen - 09 Sep 2005 00:52 GMT
>> All you guys are pr%*ks. All I ever did for you guys is try to make
>> you happy. You guys don't appreciate a d*mn thing, and I am glad I won't
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>If the gateway closes down, will Sue figure out how to get here?

She sent me e-mail and I suggested www.deja.com and www.MedKB.com
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Stovepipe - 09 Sep 2005 17:02 GMT
> >If the gateway closes down, will Sue figure out how to get here?
>
> She sent me e-mail and I suggested www.deja.com and www.MedKB.com
> .......

She must have Outlook Express on her 'puter. Hell, even _I_ could do it.
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Roy Brown - 09 Sep 2005 00:48 GMT
Not sure how you can make such general statements, since I've not had the
opportunity to discuss anything with you yet. Ignorance perhaps?

Hopefully you have simply mistaken this group for the alternative s.m.d group -
sado.masochism.dominance. It appears to me that you have some control issues.

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| All you guys are pricks.
letsconnect - 09 Sep 2005 01:51 GMT
> | All you guys are pricks.

> Hopefully you have simply mistaken this group for the alternative s.m.d group -
> sado.masochism.dominance. It appears to me that you have some control issues.

Should've been the perfect fit?
Roy Brown - 09 Sep 2005 04:40 GMT
| > | All you guys are pricks.
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| > Hopefully you have simply mistaken this group for the alternative s.m.d group -
| > sado.masochism.dominance. It appears to me that you have some control issues.
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| Should've been the perfect fit?

Won't touch that with a ten foot pole.

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W_B - 09 Sep 2005 16:14 GMT
>| > | All you guys are pricks.
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>Won't touch that with a ten foot pole.

At least not without your fez on.
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Joel M. Eichen - 09 Sep 2005 00:50 GMT
>I havent liked the gateway for quite some time. Joel liked it.

This is true. I guess I never "go with the crowd."

On a calmer note. I was very impressed at how well Justin handled all
the complications of the gateway. The RSS-Feeds are very simple by
comparison .... Oh I will spare you the details .....

Sleeping dogs ... let 'em sleep ......

Joel

>All you guys are pricks. All I ever did for you guys is try to make
>you happy. You guys dont appreciate a dman thing, and I am glad I wnnt
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Justin Shafer - 08 Sep 2005 16:04 GMT
No more....

That happens to me all the time! I forget sometimes and BOOM! out goes
the wrong page code.

Not to worry ...... it adds some color!

I think the biggest problem is continuity. As long as we remember to
"QUOTE" a little, then the posts make sense.

Believe it or not, DentalCom is much easier to understand, especially
in the linear form. The older posts are always there if someone wants
to scroll.

Let's all use this as a learning experience. We are all three of us
computer geeks. What non-geekoids perceive as "the problems" is so
valuable. I am learning a great deal from the comments.

The guys who do not want DentalCom linkage, you will notice, never
post anyway! Go see how many posts Flap has posted to SMD before the
linkage.

Oh maybe 20 in total.

Joel

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Originally Posted by billkatz
Hey Justin, Joel

I've been looking at this big stink that some of the SMD people have
been making about DC. I've also looked at some possible causes and
IMO, it isn't totally pointing to DC.

What I've noticed:

Some folks still post from here in HTML mode. This pisses them off
because of the tags. HTML really isn't NNTP compliant so they have the
right to b*tch about it. Perhaps users should be coaxed to use the
plain editor if they want to post to SMD.

You already posted a good readme about replying.

Attaching binaries got a few people's shorts in a knot. (uploading
images to DC that is, not copy/paste link to tinyurl.) They'll have to
get over the tiny earl

Perhaps there can be a 'sticky' post about this? Dunno, might help.

I'm also looking at the high ASCII trash Joel pointed out on one of my
posts. I'm using the plain editor so I'm not sure what's going on
there. As far as I can tell, it looks like a UTF-8 to ASCII
translation problem. Please let me know if you have any ideas.

Thanks!

>I don't either!  But would like to see them all come back too.  UM MOM Susan
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Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 11:21 GMT
This is ironic.

If my post (and sig) says, "Joel M. Eichen," its a usenet post from
Forte Free Agent. If its Joel344, its a DentalCom.Net post!

Flap may not be aware that I am the original King of Usenet!

My totals are well over 40,000 posts!

Joel

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>Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote
>AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P.
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 04:35 GMT
letsconnect Wrote:
> Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote
> AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P.
Your absolutely right letsconnect. This whole SMD thing was not my
idea, and even right now I wish it never existed. The only thing it has
dont is hurt the posts on the DC side of the bulletin board. I should
have realized that it was going to happen. I had an idea, but I didnt
think it would be like this.

Posts have gone up in general, but only in the SMD forum on the site.

I realized about a week ago that it will easily cost around $450.00 to
keep the site, and the gateway up for another year. And while that
seems cheap in monthly increments, is still kind of pisses me off.
Especially since people from SMD dont even like the gateway.

This whole thing has just made me fustrated, and the only thing I seem
to be able to enjoy is playing pacmand with my fiance, and you.

And that stupid racing game that I cannot get the hang of!
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Flap, I sure would like to here anyone from dentalcom.net, state that I
made this whole thing up. You already admitted to it anyways.

The disagreement you refer to in one of your previous posts is really
just a grand exhibition of what a prick you are.....

Thats the "disagreement", as you put it.

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Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 04:43 GMT
There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind
Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to anythin
else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, tryin
to constantly correct you of the truth

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> Your absolutely right letsconnect. This whole SMD thing was not my idea
> and even right now I wish it never existed. The only thing it has don
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> Thats the "disagreement", as you put it

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Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 04:55 GMT
If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies

This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, an
asked him to stop

Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up
Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you
dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you

Explain this!!!!

http://tinyurl.com/ags6a

Administrator Wrote:
> There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind
> Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to anythin
> else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, tryin
> to constantly correct you of the truth

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Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 05:07 GMT
Whats worse if that this specific dentist, is not the dentist I wa
referring too when flap stole images... it was a guy named sameer
This dentist's name is Thomas

2 people who you pissed off. I have always thought there was a code o
ethics between dentists, and you just break them all

Are you sure I am lying???? Whats worse, is I wont respond to you. Yo
just look like a fool

You shouldnt call me a liar, and you shouldn't do ANYTHING, to insul
me. I will just bring up all the crap you did in the past, just becaus
I know you will call me a liar. Whats bad for you is, I am not lying

Administrator Wrote:
> If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies
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> 'www.dentaltown.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=42387&forumID=5&catID=&search=1&sear
chstring=&sessionID={22A119AD-D3F4-48EB-8F34-C5E917C8A199

> (http://tinyurl.com/ags6a

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Flap - 08 Sep 2005 05:46 GMT
Justin Shafer's The Administrator of dentalcom.net post:

Whats worse if that this specific dentist, is not the dentist I was
referring too when flap stole images... it was a guy named sameer.
This dentist's name is Thomas.

2 people who you pissed off. I have always thought there was a code of
ethics between dentists, and you just break them all.

Are you sure I am lying???? Whats worse, is I wont respond to you. You
just look like a fool.

You shouldnt call me a liar, and you shouldn't do ANYTHING, to insult
me. I will just bring up all the crap you did in the past, just because
I know you will call me a liar. Whats bad for you is, I am not lying.

Administrator Wrote:

> If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies.

> This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and
> asked him to stop.

> Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up.
> Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you,
> dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you.

> Explain this!!!!!
> Hey Full Osseous, Don't Use These!!

> 'www.dentaltown.com/idealbb/vie w.asp?topicID=42387&forumID=5& catID=&se...{22A119AD-D3F4-48EB-8F34-C5E917C8A199'
> (http://tinyurl.com/ags6a)

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Flap's Reply:

Justin, how can you steal non-copyrighted images over the internet?
For a computer guy I would expect better knowledge.  It is not illegal,
you know, to use the img src command.

I criticised some crappy work on one of the regular contributing
dentists on Dental Town and used some of his images to make my point.
Other dentists criticised the work too, including Joel and Shad.  But,
I believe you deleted those posts on dentalcom.net with my posts.
Other dentists emailed me to agree but were afraid to post on Dental
Town.

Some of those images and links to photoshop modified images were
e-mailed to me by some other contributors of Dental Town.

So, what is the big deal?

If the other dentist didn't want his work scrutinized he probably
should have not posted photos of his work on the internet.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 06:00 GMT
Its not about that! Just like before! Have some respect for me!
created a damn bulletin board site, with your help. Only you know ho
much effort I put into this site. We both slaved over it for 2 week
without almost any sleep at all

Its about howards ability to prevent me from posting because I am you
partner. You stealing images could piss everybody off and prevent m
from posting. And I told you from the very beginning that I will d
anything but prevent that. I honestly thought after we added th
forums, that howard would surely get pissed at me. But he realized
was really pissed off about the israel thing, just like other peopl
were. Or at least I assume so. Because I can still post, and I was abl
to post, when we had our conversation

You know I wanted to keep my priveldges on DT. A computer guy who like
to work for dentists would want the ability to post on dt

That. And even if you are right, legally. I would still have to hire
lawyer to proove all that in court. And I honestly didnt think yo
would foot the bill for that, if it came down to it

I am not in a positiion to battle dentaltown over a point your tryin
to make with images from other colleagues stolen from their site. Wha
about respecting some else. You claim you saw this all the time so yo
could have gotten your own images..

And after I decided to break up our partnership, you left me voicemail
that you were sorry, and that you would remove the images and find othe
images to use. Only after you treated my like your doormat. Thats why
have been cautious about letting you back in. Its a shame too, becaus
I know your a really smart guy, and everything you say about dentistry
I know you believe in

I dont know a thing about dentistry, so I just go along with what yo
say. =

At any rate, I dont appreciate you coming on here, and egging on a ba
thing. Yes I deleted your posts... But you know why, and you purposel
failed to mention that when someone says that dentalcom.net i
moderated...

Sure, if you were part owner in the site and royally pissed off you
partner. I doubt few people here are in that positition

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Flap - 08 Sep 2005 06:07 GMT
Justin Shafer's Administrator at DentalCom.net Post:

Its not about that! Just like before! Have some respect for me! I
created a damn bulletin board site, with your help. Only you know how
much effort I put into this site. We both slaved over it for 2 weeks
without almost any sleep at all.

Its about howards ability to prevent me from posting because I am your
partner. You stealing images could piss everybody off and prevent me
from posting. And I told you from the very beginning that I will do
anything but prevent that. I honestly thought after we added the
forums, that howard would surely get pissed at me. But he realized I
was really pissed off about the israel thing, just like other people
were. Or at least I assume so. Because I can still post, and I was able
to post, when we had our conversation.

You know I wanted to keep my priveldges on DT. A computer guy who likes
to work for dentists would want the ability to post on dt.

That. And even if you are right, legally. I would still have to hire a
lawyer to proove all that in court. And I honestly didnt think you
would foot the bill for that, if it came down to it.

I am not in a positiion to battle dentaltown over a point your trying
to make with images from other colleagues stolen from their site. What
about respecting some else. You claim you saw this all the time so you
could have gotten your own images...

And after I decided to break up our partnership, you left me voicemails
that you were sorry, and that you would remove the images and find
other
images to use. Only after you treated my like your doormat. Thats why I
have been cautious about letting you back in. Its a shame too, because
I know your a really smart guy, and everything you say about dentistry,
I know you believe in.

I dont know a thing about dentistry, so I just go along with what you
say. =)

At any rate, I dont appreciate you coming on here, and egging on a bad
thing. Yes I deleted your posts... But you know why, and you purposely
failed to mention that when someone says that dentalcom.net is
moderated....

Sure, if you were part owner in the site and royally pissed off your
partner. I doubt few people here are in that positition.

Flap's Reply:

No one cares here Justin.

Your lies are your lies.

NOBODY cares here.

And you stole from me as you are stealing from the SMD.

So give it up and delete the gateway hack to SMD.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 06:24 GMT
Yeah right flap. Everybody knows I wanted to take dentalcom.net down
back when we split up...

Here is the thread.

http://www.dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1722&highlight=flap

You are so full of crap.

Spreading your lies...

By the way, the gateway isnt stealing. It can read and post just like
any other news reader, and I gave it its own spot onthe site.

Stealing colleagues images of cases that they would like help on just
to make some point about cerec when you easily could have done it
without stealing images, or so you say, is not only stealing but its
being an a.shole to your fellow man...

Thats why thom posted this...

http://tinyurl.com/bl6xx}

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Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 06:24 GMT
Dont worry flap, maybe howard will like the idea. And you will surely
get your wish.

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> Yeah right flap. Everybody knows I wanted to take dentalcom.net down
> back when we split up...
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billkatz - 08 Sep 2005 12:12 GMT
I for one would be sorry to see this website go away. AFAIK, there ar
very few resources for professionals and fewer for patients. Fo
professionals, there's Dental Town / Hygiene Town and IDF, which ar
advertising driven, by registration only and/or for professionals only
For patients there's this site, SMD and a few specific groups lik
Letsconnect's dental fear board. (I'm sorry Flap, but your blog i
mainly a politically oriented system with a few postings here and ther
about dentistry. It's also a one way avenue since users can't post o
forums.)

Usenet feeds are great, IMO, but they?re slated for death. Most ISP'
won't provide newsfeeds and many of the ones that now do are looking a
removing the service. Usenet feeds are bandwidth hogs and the first cos
savings measure an ISP will take is to trim Usenet off their list o
services. Look for yourselves; Comcast, AOL and the big telco's n
longer provide it. The average user has to go and subscribe to
separate service which will cost them an additional monthly fee. Mos
users just won't do this. In fact, most users aren?t even aware tha
there is a Usenet! If the consensus is to keep SMD a small feed
exclusive to only a few, then stop me right here and I?ll back away
Albeit, 90% of all computer users don?t have a clue as to what NNT
feeds are and they don?t care. They?d rather use a website and go o
with it. It was my hope that DC would assist SMD, not deter from it.

Somehow, this issue of deleting posts has been intertwined onto thi
pointless argument. Flap, for just one minute consider the fact tha
Justin was about to be sued because of these posts. Hell, I would hav
cut you off much sooner than he did. If you really think it?s s
important to have these Cerec images up somewhere, post them in
prominent place on your blog.

Justin, I for one would care if you took the site down. Personally,
thinks its been good and I think its growing.

-b

Administrator Wrote:
> Dont worry flap, maybe howard will like the idea. And you will surel
> get your wish

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Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 13:15 GMT
I think its going in the right direction, with excellent suggestions
from Dr. Steve, Carabelli, and the rest.

I frequently publish statistics about SMD, who the big posters are,
etc. Even before DC and without DC, smd was on its way out. There are
six or ten dentists who are good friends, about five interested people
who are non-dentists, an occasional patient, and that's it.

Joel

>I for one would be sorry to see this website go away. AFAIK, there are
>very few resources for professionals and fewer for patients. For
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>> Dont worry flap, maybe howard will like the idea. And you will surely
>> get your wish.
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 11:46 GMT
Justin wrote,

>You are so full of crap.
>
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>
>Thats why thom posted this...

MY REPLY

GATEWAYS,

I guess this is the point we all need to understand.
Post-Gutenberg-Galaxy (macLuhan), electronic media differs from print
media. When you type into your keyboard and hit ENTER, its unlike
PRINTING. With printing there is one copy. Sure people can Xerox and
such, but distribution is always limited.

WITH ELECTRONIC MEDIA, distribution is universal. This is what
everyone needs to understand.

We are exploring the ubiquity of electronic dsitribution, that's all.
Its a powerful force that I hope your children and grandchildren will
understand.

The future of the planet depends upon it.

PS~ Adolph Hitler came to power because he understood the power of the
new medium of his time ~ the radio. The analogy is perfect.

Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 11:40 GMT
>Its not about that! Just like before! Have some respect for me! I
>created a damn bulletin board site, with your help. Only you know how
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>were. Or at least I assume so. Because I can still post, and I was able
>to post, when we had our conversation.

REPLY

What Israel thing?

You mean there is a shortage of bagels down in Texas again?

Joel

>You know I wanted to keep my priveldges on DT. A computer guy who likes
>to work for dentists would want the ability to post on dt.
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>>
>> http://flapsblog.com
Flap - 08 Sep 2005 05:34 GMT
Justin Shafer's Post:

If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies.

This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and
asked him to stop.

Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up.
Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you,
dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you.

Explain this!!!!!

http://tinyurl.com/ags6a}

Administrator Wrote:

> There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind.
> Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to anything
> else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, trying
> to constantly correct you of the truth.

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Flap's Reply:

I thought you said that you were not going to respond to me any longer.

And using an IMG src command to share photos across the internet and
comment on them is a crime.  Have you ever heard of the fair use
doctrine?

No, you probably haven't.

Give me a break.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 05:47 GMT
Yeah, but unlike you, since the site is in my name, they can still bring
me to court and make me spend money on something I dont want too.
Something you didnt have to worry about. And you know it! I seriously
doubt you would have bailed me out for your mistakes, if someone made
me go to court.

Yes... I cant help but watch you spread your lies. It just irratates
the hell out of me. You think I am going to take the gateway down, and
dentalcom down, when I know it makes you happy. Ha.

Go ahead flap...

explain why Thom cant stand you, and why sameer cant stand you, why I
cant stand you, why you got banned at DT.

Explain this thread!

http://tinyurl.com/ags6a

Explain how I am just a liar, and I am making everything up! Go
ahead...

Elaborate on our "disagreement", as you so call it.

My story makes sense. You were stealing images from DT, while I caught
ALL the heat for it. I asked you too stop, and you were a total a.s,
and asked me to sell you dentalcom, or just stfu.

I told you to get bent, which you did. Your still bent today.

I will say it a thousand times... your a total prick, and a liar, and
you dont defend yourself very well.

Perhaps one day you will get whats coming to you.

=)

Flap Wrote:
> Justin Shafer's Post:
>
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>
> http://flapsblog.com

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Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 05:47 GMT
Just do a search on Dentaltown for "stealing images", and a thread about
you pulls up.

ITS WHY YOU GOT BANNED.

Administrator Wrote:
> Yeah, but unlike you, since the site is in my name, they can still bring
> me to court and make me spend money on something I dont want too.
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> =)

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Flap - 08 Sep 2005 05:56 GMT
Justin Shafer's Administrator at DentalCom.net Post:

Whats worse if that this specific dentist, is not the dentist I was
referring too when flap stole images... it was a guy named sameer.
This dentist's name is Thomas.

2 people who you pissed off. I have always thought there was a code of
ethics between dentists, and you just break them all.

Are you sure I am lying???? Whats worse, is I wont respond to you. You
just look like a fool.

You shouldnt call me a liar, and you shouldn't do ANYTHING, to insult
me. I will just bring up all the crap you did in the past, just because
I know you will call me a liar. Whats bad for you is, I am not lying.

Administrator Wrote:

> If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies.

> This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and
> asked him to stop.

> Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up.
> Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you,
> dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you.

> Explain this!!!!!
> Hey Full Osseous, Don't Use These!!

> 'www.dentaltown.com/idealbb/vie w.asp?topicID=42387&forumID=5& catID=&se...{22A119AD-D3F4-48EB-8F34-C5E917C8A199'
> (http://tinyurl.com/ags6a)

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Flap's Reply:

Justin, you have it wrong.  AS USUAL.

I quit Dental Town weeks before I found my user name banned.  My IP was
not banned and I continue to receive e-mails from the site daily.

Most of the material (e-mails and graphic files) I receive is from
other people on Dental Town.  So, the paranoia of some of the folks
over there are from some people they know and befriend ratting them
out.  LOL.....

Justin this is boring to the SMD and NObody cares about Dental Town
here!

Take down the SMD Gateway hack and call it a night.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Flap - 08 Sep 2005 06:01 GMT
Justin Shafer's Post:

Yeah, but unlike you, since the site is in my name, they can still
bring
me to court and make me spend money on something I dont want too.
Something you didnt have to worry about. And you know it! I seriously
doubt you would have bailed me out for your mistakes, if someone made
me go to court.

Yes... I cant help but watch you spread your lies. It just irratates
the hell out of me. You think I am going to take the gateway down, and
dentalcom down, when I know it makes you happy. Ha.

Go ahead flap...

explain why Thom cant stand you, and why sameer cant stand you, why I
cant stand you, why you got banned at DT.

Explain this thread!

http://tinyurl.com/ags6a

Explain how I am just a liar, and I am making everything up! Go
ahead...

Elaborate on our "disagreement", as you so call it.

My story makes sense. You were stealing images from DT, while I caught
ALL the heat for it. I asked you too stop, and you were a total a.s,
and asked me to sell you dentalcom, or just stfu.

I told you to get bent, which you did. Your still bent today.

I will say it a thousand times... your a total prick, and a liar, and
you dont defend yourself very well.

Perhaps one day you will get whats coming to you.

=)

Flap Wrote:

> Justin Shafer's Post:

> If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies.

> This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and
> asked him to stop.

> Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up.
> Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you,
> dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you.

> Explain this!!!!!

> http://tinyurl.com/ags6a}

> Administrator Wrote:

> > There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind.
> > Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to
> anything
> > else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time,
> trying
> > to constantly correct you of the truth.

> --
> Administrator

> Flap's Reply:

> I thought you said that you were not going to respond to me any longer.

> And using an IMG src command to share photos across the internet and
> comment on them is a crime. Have you ever heard of the fair use
> doctrine?

> No, you probably haven't.

> Give me a break.

> Flap

> http://flapsblog.com

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Flap's Reply:

Justin, you need to chill out.

Sorry SMD folks I won't reply AGAIN.....otherwise he will just keep
spouting off. Now you understand why he and I split up.

And you understand why he wants to hijack the SMD feed for his own
purposes.

Shame.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 06:08 GMT
Flap... once again, you cant defend a thing. You just keep sticking t
the story of, "gee he's trying to hijack the gateway so its all mad
up

I guess you think that if you dont respond to any allegations, then i
will all just disappear. You cant even bother explaining this post ove
at dentaltown...

http://www.dentaltown.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=42387&forumID=5&catID=&search
=1&searchstring=&sessionID={22A119AD-D3F4-48EB-8F34-C5E917C8A19


I honestly am paying for this stupid gateway, and I cant stand it.
just sent an email over to howard farran, asking him if he would like
vbulletin arcade. If he does, kiss all this good bye.

Flap Wrote:
> Justin Shafer's Post
>
[quoted text clipped - 100 lines]
>
> http://flapsblog.co

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Flap - 08 Sep 2005 06:23 GMT
Justin Shafer's Post:

Flap... once again, you cant defend a thing. You just keep sticking to
the story of, "gee he's trying to hijack the gateway so its all made
up"

I guess you think that if you dont respond to any allegations, then it
will all just disappear. You cant even bother explaining this post over
at dentaltown....

http://www.dentaltown.com/idea lbb/view.asp?topicID=42387&for
umID=5&ca...{22A119AD-D3F4-48EB-8F34-C5E917C8A199

I honestly am paying for this stupid gateway, and I cant stand it. I
just sent an email over to howard farran, asking him if he would like a
vbulletin arcade. If he does, kiss all this good bye.

Flap Wrote:

> Justin Shafer's Post:

> Yeah, but unlike you, since the site is in my name, they can still
> bring
> me to court and make me spend money on something I dont want too.
> Something you didnt have to worry about. And you know it! I seriously
> doubt you would have bailed me out for your mistakes, if someone made
> me go to court.

> Yes... I cant help but watch you spread your lies. It just irratates
> the hell out of me. You think I am going to take the gateway down, and
> dentalcom down, when I know it makes you happy. Ha.

> Go ahead flap...

> explain why Thom cant stand you, and why sameer cant stand you, why I
> cant stand you, why you got banned at DT.

> Explain this thread!

> http://tinyurl.com/ags6a

> Explain how I am just a liar, and I am making everything up! Go
> ahead...

> Elaborate on our "disagreement", as you so call it.

> My story makes sense. You were stealing images from DT, while I caught
> ALL the heat for it. I asked you too stop, and you were a total a.s,
> and asked me to sell you dentalcom, or just stfu.

> I told you to get bent, which you did. Your still bent today.

> I will say it a thousand times... your a total prick, and a liar, and
> you dont defend yourself very well.

> Perhaps one day you will get whats coming to you.

> =)

> Flap Wrote:

> > Justin Shafer's Post:

> > If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies.

> > This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and
> > asked him to stop.

> > Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up.
> > Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you,
> > dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you.

> > Explain this!!!!!

> > http://tinyurl.com/ags6a}

> > Administrator Wrote:

> > > There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind.
> > > Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to
> > anything
> > > else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time,
> > trying
> > > to constantly correct you of the truth.

> > --
> > Administrator

> > Flap's Reply:

> > I thought you said that you were not going to respond to me any
> longer.

> > And using an IMG src command to share photos across the internet and
> > comment on them is a crime. Have you ever heard of the fair use
> > doctrine?

> > No, you probably haven't.

> > Give me a break.

> > Flap

> > http://flapsblog.com

> --
> Administrator

> Flap's Reply:

> Justin, you need to chill out.

> Sorry SMD folks I won't reply AGAIN.....otherwise he will just keep
> spouting off. Now you understand why he and I split up.

> And you understand why he wants to hijack the SMD feed for his own
> purposes.

> Shame.

> Flap

> http://flapsblog.com

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Flap's Reply:

No need to refute anything because what you say are either half truths
or lies.

And if you take down your site..................   BYE!

No one will care here.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 06:12 GMT
Yeah flap, just stick to the "gee he's trying to hijack smd so he must
be lying".... What would be better for me, is if I ignored you. But I
dont really care what happens to me or the gateway between smd and
dentalcom.net..

In fact, I sent an email over to howard farran to see if he is
interested in a vbulletin arcade on dentaltown. If so, kiss
dentalcom.net good bye.

I am sick of this, and I am sick of getting to talk to someone like
you.

You still cant tell here anyone why, even though I have asked you like
5 times now, what I am lying about.

You cant explain why someone would steal your images.

http://tinyurl.com/bl6xx}

Flap Wrote:
> Justin Shafer's Post:
>
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>
> http://flapsblog.com

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Flap - 08 Sep 2005 06:26 GMT
Justin Shafer, the Administrator at DentalCom.net soon to be sold to
Howard Farran Post:

Yeah flap, just stick to the "gee he's trying to hijack smd so he must
be lying".... What would be better for me, is if I ignored you. But I
dont really care what happens to me or the gateway between smd and
dentalcom.net..

In fact, I sent an email over to howard farran to see if he is
interested in a vbulletin arcade on dentaltown. If so, kiss
dentalcom.net good bye.

I am sick of this, and I am sick of getting to talk to someone like
you.

You still cant tell here anyone why, even though I have asked you like
5 times now, what I am lying about.

You cant explain why someone would steal your images.

http://tinyurl.com/bl6xx}

Flap Wrote:

> Justin Shafer's Post:

> Yeah, but unlike you, since the site is in my name, they can still
> bring
> me to court and make me spend money on something I dont want too.
> Something you didnt have to worry about. And you know it! I seriously
> doubt you would have bailed me out for your mistakes, if someone made
> me go to court.

> Yes... I cant help but watch you spread your lies. It just irratates
> the hell out of me. You think I am going to take the gateway down, and
> dentalcom down, when I know it makes you happy. Ha.

> Go ahead flap...

> explain why Thom cant stand you, and why sameer cant stand you, why I
> cant stand you, why you got banned at DT.

> Explain this thread!

> http://tinyurl.com/ags6a

> Explain how I am just a liar, and I am making everything up! Go
> ahead...

> Elaborate on our "disagreement", as you so call it.

> My story makes sense. You were stealing images from DT, while I caught
> ALL the heat for it. I asked you too stop, and you were a total a.s,
> and asked me to sell you dentalcom, or just stfu.

> I told you to get bent, which you did. Your still bent today.

> I will say it a thousand times... your a total prick, and a liar, and
> you dont defend yourself very well.

> Perhaps one day you will get whats coming to you.

> =)

> Flap Wrote:

> > Justin Shafer's Post:

> > If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies.

> > This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and
> > asked him to stop.

> > Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up.
> > Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you,
> > dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you.

> > Explain this!!!!!

> > http://tinyurl.com/ags6a}

> > Administrator Wrote:

> > > There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind.
> > > Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to
> > anything
> > > else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time,
> > trying
> > > to constantly correct you of the truth.

> > --
> > Administrator

> > Flap's Reply:

> > I thought you said that you were not going to respond to me any
> longer.

> > And using an IMG src command to share photos across the internet and
> > comment on them is a crime. Have you ever heard of the fair use
> > doctrine?

> > No, you probably haven't.

> > Give me a break.

> > Flap

> > http://flapsblog.com

> --
> Administrator

> Flap's Reply:

> Justin, you need to chill out.

> Sorry SMD folks I won't reply AGAIN.....otherwise he will just keep
> spouting off. Now you understand why he and I split up.

> And you understand why he wants to hijack the SMD feed for his own
> purposes.

> Shame.

> Flap

> http://flapsblog.com

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Flap's Reply:

Lies, lies and more lies.......

No one cares.....

Bye Bye......

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 06:32 GMT
Sure flap. I knew you would say that. Hey, I thought you too, were not
going to respond?!

Flap Wrote:
> Justin Shafer, the Administrator at DentalCom.net soon to be sold to
> Howard Farran Post:
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>
> http://flapsblog.com

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Sue - 08 Sep 2005 07:00 GMT
To Justin.  Best to ignore Flap.  

Please do not forget about the faithful people who have enjoyed your
site and have made many posts.  We would hate to see this close.  

Together with you, we have kept this open and active more successfuly
than Mike Maroon's board ... with only handful of posters.

You should feel very proud Justin.  Your board has been a success!!

Falps' rants mean nothing.  Look at the facts.  If yuo do not beloive
me just chekc into Maroon's discussion baord and see how many posts
have been made there!  

I am not saying this in disrespect to Mike Marron, but just as measure
so that you can realize just how successful you really have been wiht
this Justin.

Please don't give up yet.  Let Flap, Flap away.  He is just mad because
Dcom is still running and still has faithful posters.  Nothing would
please him more than to see you abandon it or sell it to Howard Farran.
Then he can say ... see, I told you so.

Please do not give up just yet.

Thanks for your consideration,

Sue

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Sue

Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 11:48 GMT
>Explain this!!!!!
>
>http://tinyurl.com/ags6a}

BUMMER!

A link to where the sun don't shine ........

Dr. Steve, what's it say?

Joiel
Flap - 08 Sep 2005 05:30 GMT
Justin's Shafer's Post:

There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind.
Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to anything
else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, trying
to constantly correct you of the truth.

Administrator Wrote:

> Your absolutely right letsconnect. This whole SMD thing was not my idea,
> and even right now I wish it never existed. The only thing it has dont
> is hurt the posts on the DC side of the bulletin board. I should have
> realized that it was going to happen. I had an idea, but I didnt think
> it would be like this.

> Posts have gone up in general, but only in the SMD forum on the site.

> I realized about a week ago that it will easily cost around $450.00 to
> keep the site, and the gateway up for another year. And while that
> seems cheap in monthly increments, is still kind of pisses me off.
> Especially since people from SMD dont even like the gateway.

> This whole thing has just made me fustrated, and the only thing I seem
> to be able to enjoy is playing pacmand with my fiance, and you.

> And that stupid racing game that I cannot get the hang of!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Flap, I sure would like to here anyone from dentalcom.net, state that I
> made this whole thing up. You already admitted to it anyways.

> The disagreement you refer to in one of your previous posts is really
> just a grand exhibition of what a prick you are.....

> Thats the "disagreement", as you put it.

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Flap's Reply:

Sounds good to me.

Now take down the gateway to SMD.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 05:39 GMT
Good. You looking at your news reader right now. Explain this post here:

http://tinyurl.com/ags6a

Then explain how you didnt give me 2 options. To sell you
dentalcom.net, or to allow you to keep on stealing images from
colleagues over at dentaltown. Explain how I am just making this all
up. All you have said so far, is that we had a disagreement.

Tell the good folks at SMD what the disagreement was about! You havent
said anything about it, just that you sure would like this gateway
close.... Geeeee... wonder why you are saying that...

Sameer once wanted me to say hi by the way, and ask you how you are
doing at that school you work at... USC???? LOL! Still work in the same
classroom as you did one year ago????????

Flap Wrote:
> Justin's Shafer's Post:
>
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
>
> http://flapsblog.com

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Dr. Steve - 08 Sep 2005 12:11 GMT
>Sounds good to me.
>
>Now take down the gateway to SMD.

```````````````````````
Stephen (What's a temporary?)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Flap - 08 Sep 2005 05:27 GMT
Justin Shafer's The Administrator of DentalCom.net post:

Flap, I sure would like to here anyone from dentalcom.net, state that I
made this whole thing up. You already admitted to it anyways.

The disagreement you refer to in one of your previous posts is really
just a grand exhibition of what a prick you are.....

Thats the "disagreement", as you put it.

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Flap's Reply:

Whatever Justin.....

Stop the moaning and leave SMD alone.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
Administrator - 08 Sep 2005 05:36 GMT
Yep. I bet you would love that. I am right, you wont respond to an
truth on this site at all.  I bet there are people who are intereste
to find this out about you

And what I think is most interesting is how you cant even defend ho
thomas wanted you to stop stealing his images from dentaltown, an
posting then on dentalcom, which is against the agreement that yo
agree to when you register at dentaltown. But hell, you dont care. An
you dont care what you do to me, or anyone else, as long as it make
you feel like a big man, which is most likely why you were goin
through a divorce, and your wife was taking all your money. That an
you live in california. =

Be a man flap, grow up. People respect the truth. The fact that yo
havent actually specifically defended any of my statements, an
evidence supporting my statements on dentaltown, just show how stupi
you really are, and how you think if you just keep pretending, an
acting like its all made up, then maybe, just maybe, other people wil
follow you

It wont. I wont let you.

Go ahead flap.... explain it.

http://tinyurl.com/ags6

Flap Wrote:
> Justin Shafer's The Administrator of DentalCom.net post
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> http://flapsblog.co

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Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 11:32 GMT
Saying this about that .......

(I have intentionally deleted what was said above, as it has little
bearing on the discussion .......)

This is why my thinking was to somehow exploit the technology, to help
Justin, to help the patients, to assist the dentists, I mean c'mon
,,,,,, why else are we all here?

The RSS-Feeds were our little attempt at using DentalCom and other
technologies to expand Justin's burgeoning consulting business to
include some docs who like the idea of their cancellation lists going
out to patients' cell phones in real time, who might live closeby, and
could fill broken appointments.

Why not call them like REGULAR people do?

Well in my office how it works is this. The cancellation comes in at
10am for the 11am appointment. Suddenly there are other phone calls,
other patients, all kinds of distractions. The front desk calls 6-8
people, and just our luck, they are all busy!

So there's a dental hygienist, pulling down $40 for the hour, and no
patient! That's discouraging!

Joel

We gots the answer, but we have to market and promote it.
For the good of dentistry, and believe it or not, for Dr. Steve,
Carabelli, the Bornfeld Twins, W_B, really for everybody.

Sorry W_B, please do not report ....... fergit it!
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 11:19 GMT
>Flap Wrote:
>> Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote
>AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P.

REPLY

This is the hugely funny part. DentalCom.net consists of around 3-4
regular posters plus 3-4 occasional posters ....... plus a bunch of
SOMETIMES posters .......

Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 11:16 GMT
FLAP!!!!!

Remember the Beatles?

"Let It Be."

Joel

>Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Sigh!
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 11:18 GMT
SUGGESTION HERE:

Everyone needs to add "who wrote what."

You need to add,

Justin said,

...

Later on write,

MY REPLY ........

or ... REPLY ........

Etc. This is what is causing some confusion, I believe.

Joel

>Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Sigh!
Dr. Steve - 08 Sep 2005 12:13 GMT
>SUGGESTION HERE:

Sounds good to me.

Now take down the gateway to SMD.

```````````````````````
Stephen (What's a temporary?)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr. Steve - 08 Sep 2005 11:58 GMT
I think someone had too much soup.

>Dr. Steve Wrote:
>> Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
>Sigh!

```````````````````````
Stephen (What's a temporary?)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 13:16 GMT
What's with the soup? There must be some clever meaning in there, but
I am missing it!

Joel

>I think someone had too much soup.
>
>>Dr. Steve Wrote:
>>> Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it
>>> is step backwards. Plus, it is moderated and restricted.
Sdores - 08 Sep 2005 13:40 GMT
Is SMD now moderated?  Who are you administrator (not trying to be rude just
don't understand)?  UM MOM Susan

> Dr. Steve Wrote:
>> Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Sigh!
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 14:17 GMT
>Is SMD now moderated?  Who are you administrator (not trying to be rude just
>don't understand)?  UM MOM Susan

REPLY

Administrator, is Justin who is the Administrator at DentalCom.Net.

Flap (or Falp as many people call him) is Justin's old partner in
crime so to say, until Falp himself was banned from DentalCom. This
was over a copyright issue at a third site known as DentalTown.com.

Anyone who is interested can read more at flapsblog site, or elsewhere
but hopefully, not HERE!

Joel

Justin posts from DentalCom.Net
Flap posts through sci.med.dentistry.

Joel M. Eichen posts through sci.med.dentistry (Foprte Free Agent)
Joel344 posts through DentalCom.net.

The last two guys are the same ... ME!

Joel

PS~ Oh there is one more similar confusion .......

Webby aka Webmaster is Sabra Broock who was similarly confused because
people thought she was webmaster of sci.med.dentistry. Fortunately or
unfortunately, depending upon whom you ask, there is no webmaster
here. This is because there is no WEB! Its NETWORK NEWS!

It runs by itself!

>> Dr. Steve Wrote:
>>> Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>>
>> Sigh!
Sdores - 08 Sep 2005 15:25 GMT
Well I figured out who Webby was.  It was administrator and the talk of this
person Flap being banned that confused me.  Thanks for clearing this up
because I didn't think the newsgroup was moderated.  UM MOM Susan

>>Is SMD now moderated?  Who are you administrator (not trying to be rude
>>just
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
>>>
>>> Sigh!
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Sep 2005 15:34 GMT
Actually, each person in their own right is a fine person. Things get
very confused on the 'net.

Flap and Justin (*Administrator") were in charge of DentalCom and I
was the last poster still standing. At one point, there were as many
as 146 people online simultaneously at DentalCom.net.

These are real figures, unlike the Other White Meat site
(DentalTown.Com)  where the numbers are goosed to please advertisers!

This is factual.

Joel

>Well I figured out who Webby was.  It was administrator and the talk of this
>person Flap being banned that confused me.  Thanks for clearing this up
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
>>>>
>>>> Sigh!
Sdores - 08 Sep 2005 15:45 GMT
Well this does explain a lot, thank Joel.  UM MOM Susan
> Actually, each person in their own right is a fine person. Things get
> very confused on the 'net.
[quoted text clipped - 91 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Sigh!
Roy Brown - 07 Sep 2005 06:36 GMT
I agree.

Signature

Roy
rem NADA to reply

| You know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I could have sworn that it has been mentioned
| that no regulars from SMD dislike the regul;ars from DC.  The problem
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
| Stephen (What's a temporary?)
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Amatus Cremona - 29 Aug 2005 18:43 GMT
> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
> some really good discussion going.

No one on SMD objects to the posters from DC, we just cannot follow postings
the same way, so the conversations make no sense to us.  If you want to
converse, just log in to the Usenet like the rest of us do.  Why is there a
need to "combine" things when the system is fine as it is?

Signature

/

Amatus

/

>
>> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> you do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the
> net.
Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:54 GMT
>> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
>> some really good discussion going.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> want to converse, just log in to the Usenet like the rest of us do.  Why
> is there a need to "combine" things when the system is fine as it is?

Precisely the point Amatus and well said!  Heck there are countless free
NNTP servers around the world a person could use even if their own ISP
doesn't provide access.
Amatus Cremona - 29 Aug 2005 19:02 GMT
> Precisely the point Amatus and well said!  Heck there are countless free
> NNTP servers around the world a person could use even if their own ISP
> doesn't provide access.

Thank you Tim.

Signature

/

Amatus

/

>
>>> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> NNTP servers around the world a person could use even if their own ISP
> doesn't provide access.
Joel344 - 28 Aug 2005 11:09 GMT
08/28/2005

Justin,

I like the new look and organizational headers. But I am not sur
Carabelli understands the problem. Let's say I post a new thread at th
forum, "Case Management," "Legal," or any other forum at DentalCom.Ne
other than the Dental Talk at SMD sub-forum.

No one at sci.med.dentistry will ever see that. The only posts the
will see are the ones that originate at,

DentalCom.Net > Main Forum > Dental Talk at SMD >

or posts that are replies to a topic originating a
nntp://sci.med.dentistry, http://www.MedKB.com, http://www.deja.com, o
a host of others, that get aggregated at,

DentalCom.Net > Main Forum > Dental Talk at SMD >.

So the problem is not the DentalCom people who by the way, numbe
between five and ten depending on who is counting!

Many do not understand that.

I have also noticed that almost all of the spam-type posts an
controversial, aggressive posts are originating from way beyond you
domain!

Joel

jshafer817 Wrote:
> I seperated the two searches on the site. Now its easier to tell th
> difference between the two.. There is SMD Topics, and DC Topics..

--
Joel34
Joel344 - 28 Aug 2005 11:17 GMT
Small sampling of "other forums" at DentalCom.Net:

Key:

Title of Thread ( 1 2 3 ) means pages of posts
Originator of Thread
Date and time of last post
Replies ...... Views
Forum

The views figure may be off as this does not
count views elsewhere other than DentalCom.Net.

Joel

DentSim (Dental Simulation Learning Tool)
Joel344  Yesterday 08:51 PM
by Joel344   4 116 Dental Equipment

Question for Sleuths
Sue  Yesterday 09:18 AM
by letsconnect   2 34 Miscellaneous

Possible to change user name?
ambergambler  08-26-2005 07:29 AM
by letsconnect   2 18 Miscellaneous

Pediatric Oral Conscious Sedation - Safety Concerns
Sue  08-24-2005 05:11 PM
by Sue   17 242 Oral Conscious Sedation

:: Get Them Out Of That Hell ::
yas123  08-23-2005 01:08 PM
by barry1818   1 77 News

Poll: BadDentist.com and Larry Rosenthal (  1 2 3 )
baddentist  08-22-2005 03:16 PM
by Joel344   126 1,476 Miscellaneous

Aloha Meeting
rat  08-22-2005 02:55 PM
by rat   5 114 Continuing Education

World's first 3D display revealed
billkatz  08-22-2005 09:58 AM
by billkatz   2 50 Computer and Softwar

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Joel34
Tom - 24 Aug 2005 21:32 GMT
>RE: SMD-Dentcom gateway
>
>How do I find SMD so I can see what it is that you are talking about?
>I am not sure how posts from Dcom are displayed at SMD.
>It will help me to understand the format concerns. Thanks, Sue

Download and install FreeAgent from www.forteinc.com

Sign up with a free news server.. maybe.. http://www.readfreenews.com/

Download all the groups into Agent and read SMD.

Tom
Sue - 24 Aug 2005 22:08 GMT
Tom, I tried to sign in last night. Seems I had account there once.  
went through the process of changing my password but still got bumpe
out.  I will try again.  Thanks for the info!  Su

--
Su
Joel344 - 24 Aug 2005 22:32 GMT
For Sue, for others .....

Here is what a newsreader looks like. This is Forte Free Agent. Its m
old reader. This is reading smd in nntp protocol (network news transfe
protocol).

Newsreaders are convenient, very fast, and very worthwhile, but lac
some of the functionality of web based (http) DentalCom.net.

To get this to work, you need to change your server configuration t
the current server, add in your name and password (for authentication)
then select "highlighted groups for downloading headers." This takes
while. They have 18,001 headers. After that though, if there are twelv
posts it will only download the twelve new HEADERS. Then when you clic
you get the body displayed in the large lower window.

Joel

.

[image: http://tinypic.com/b4g9rn.jpg]

.

http://tinypic.com/b4g9rn.jp

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Joel34
billkatz - 25 Aug 2005 00:00 GMT
One advantage to having a gateway like DC is that users can uploa
photos to a particular site or location. Once a user uploads the image
DC will hyperlink it and allow usenet readers can and see them, if the
wish

Just my 2 cents worth

--
billkat
Joel344 - 25 Aug 2005 00:16 GMT
YUP we agree. And if the user conforms to the [ i m g ] and [ / i m g
tag conventions, without the spaces of course, then those readin
www.DentalCom.Net will see in-line images that are being rendered i
real-time.

Alternatively, if reading from a newsreader such as Forte Free Agent
or at Google or MedKB, or other non-image based software one mus
"click to view." Now sometimes I am too lazy and I do not want t
irrurupt what I am doing so I simply skip the images.

Someone reading this from a Palm Pilot 650 or Blackberry or Nokia (al
wireless phone devices) can view the images on their phones. Prett
cool actually.

In 1990 there were reasons not to incur the overhead of images
compressed or not. Today, un-uh. Hey folks! Its a-comin' ....... Dic
Tracy Radio Wrist Watch is here.

Joe

--
Joel34
Dr. Steve - 22 Aug 2005 14:20 GMT
>Just a short note.  I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years.
>Usenet was what it was.  SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with the gateway
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>carabelli

I agree fully,  I really do not care about the blog.  I have no bad
wishes for Flap, I simply do not care about his blog.  I also do not
care about DC or DT.  I am not interested in those groups.  I greatly
dislike NG messages being harvested toother sites.  I probably will
spend less time here as the site becomes more and more an extension of
DC.
StovePipe - 22 Aug 2005 15:29 GMT
It would be a shame if you do depart, but that is the real world. This
is slightly O/T, but since I've been back from our vacation, I've had
naught but aggravation from Sympatico. It really does seem that they
want to drown their UseNet section.

I for one have appreciated the SMD for what it was, and hopefully still
can be, even if I have to nix Sympatico.

This is because posting from Google Groups is the ROYAL PITS

Cheers
SP
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 22 Aug 2005 16:21 GMT
SP,
O/T
Can you access my ISP, SBCglobal net, phone number is 1-877-722-3755.    SBC
phone co.
1-800-2ll-9310.  Nobody knows less than I do about ISPs or other things for
that matter.
SBC is our phone company, and they bill  the monthly fee of $31.50 on the
telephone bill which I thought would be convenient.    Have had a lot of
trouble accessing the internet as their modem shows inaccessibility.    It
may have been resolved with a little rise in blood pressure.
Gail
jshafer817 - 22 Aug 2005 16:43 GMT
I cant stand SBC. Out of all the ISP providers I think their dsl is th
worst. As far as tech support goes. I actually prefer verizon ove
them. Now, if its a dial up account, I think sbc is outstanding.

Is cable internet an option where you live? I always go for cabl
internet over dsl

--
jshafer81

Justin Shafer
Onsite Dental Systems
2232 Solona St.
Fort Worth, TX. 76117
(817) 909-4222
jshafer817@comcast.ne
jshafer817 - 22 Aug 2005 16:43 GMT
If you want free s/b/c dial up access.

Tcenter3
stream

LOL.... Dont tell anyone

--
jshafer81

Justin Shafer
Onsite Dental Systems
2232 Solona St.
Fort Worth, TX. 76117
(817) 909-4222
jshafer817@comcast.ne
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 22 Aug 2005 22:25 GMT
If cable must be subscribed to, to have use their ISP, would not consider
it.    Do not watch cable at any time, so a waste of additional money.
The tech support was difficult, but they finally gave into many measures.
Sent a telephone man here to check the wires inside and out, said someone
would be here next day to fix the wires.   And then they sent engineers to
fix the problem also, they just called saying the engineers said everything
is fine.    Anyway, fine for now.   You have to throw a tantrum to get the
service, and it got sort of funny, couldn't understand the support tech, so
they connected me to someone in Texas who could talk a little better
american.    The tech that obliged for this is in India.      A little
tolerance accomplished the problem.    So I guess they are okay, don't want
to knock them.    They do try hard with a little coaxing.
Gail

> I cant stand SBC. Out of all the ISP providers I think their dsl is the
> worst. As far as tech support goes. I actually prefer verizon over
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> jshafer817's Profile: http://dentalcom.net/forum/member.php?userid=9
> View this thread: http://dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2719
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 22 Aug 2005 16:27 GMT
SP

Forgot you are in Canada, SBC probably doesn't extend there.   Is it
possible you have a local phone company that provides the service.
Gail
Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 18:15 GMT
The quickest way to access usenet discussions is Forte Free Agen
(Newsreader). Actually its too efficient as some people at usenet wh
were annoyed with my hundreds upon hundreds of posts will tell you
Actually it was thousands or tens of thousands, literally.

The MOST ORGANIZED way, now that Forte is beyond the reach of man
people who have been shut out of nntp is the DentalCom.Net htt
gateway. It also includes the ability to include photos, etc.

Just a suggestion .......

Joel

> SP
>
> Forgot you are in Canada, SBC probably doesn't extend there.   Is it
> possible you have a local phone company that provides the service.
> Gail

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Joel34
W_B - 22 Aug 2005 19:51 GMT
>The quickest way to access usenet discussions is Forte Free Agent
>(Newsreader). Actually its too efficient as some people at usenet who
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Just a suggestion .......

>Joel

Better yet pay the measly fee for a premium news service.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
jshafer817 - 22 Aug 2005 22:23 GMT
Better yet pay the measly fee for a premium news service.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

I take care of that, and share it out to my DC pals...
=)

Signature

jshafer817

Justin Shafer
Onsite Dental Systems
2232 Solona St.
Fort Worth, TX. 76117
(817) 909-4222
jshafer817@comcast.net

carabelli - 22 Aug 2005 15:36 GMT
OK,OK  -  I said I wasn't mad :-). Usenet is/was a unique little niche in
the internet.  But I would be foolish to expect the internet to remain
static.  Who knows, maybe I'll see some interesting threads in the future.

carabelli
Sue - 22 Aug 2005 16:03 GMT
carabelli Wrote:
> OK,OK - I said I wasn't mad :-). Usenet is/was a unique little niche i
> the internet. But I would be foolish to expect the internet to remai
> static. Who knows, maybe I'll see some interesting threads in th
> future
>
> carabelli

:-) LOL. Thanks Carabelli

Actually, this might turn out to be a great thing

Justin has provided a great architecture (IMHO), but we can really us
some new input and perhaps even some direction.  (PLEASE... no offens
to Bill, Joel, Justin, Marty  et al.  You all are really great!

(But at times, it was like posting to oneself.  It is pretty difficul
to have a discussion group with so few posters)

Thanks again

Sue   :-) :-

--
Su
W_B - 22 Aug 2005 19:47 GMT
>(But at times, it was like posting to oneself.  It is pretty difficult
>to have a discussion group with so few posters).
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Sue   :-) :-)

Try getting in touch with the poseurs then.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Sue - 22 Aug 2005 16:51 GMT
Justin, Bill, Joel et al (and SMD)

I have to admit that I do not understand how this gateway works.  D
the SMD people see something different than we do here (as far as th
format architecture?

I came off vacation to see all of these new posters. I thought it wa
wonderful. However I do not entirely understand the effects thi
gateway has had on their discussion group.

It seems the main complaint is that this has forced a more ope
internet exposure for a group of people who had a more privat
newsgroup setting. It has also acted as an invitation to "old" poster
of that newsgroup that had once been "troublemakers" there and kindl
"washed"  out

I think I understand their frustration now after digesting it a bit.  
really do not want to ruin anybody else's  group. In the same token,
selfishly hope this works out because I really like seeing all of th
new voices

However I am happy to go along with whatever decisions are made.  
was thankful for having our little group as well.

Su

--
Su
W_B - 22 Aug 2005 19:28 GMT
>Nothing ever remains the same,  I'm not really angry about the gateway, but
>not really happy either.  Truthfully, I have wasted way too much time here
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>carabelli

Wondered where you were hanging out.
with the right filters SMD isn't a 'complete waste of time'.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 28 Aug 2005 13:40 GMT
REPLYING and ~bump~ing the thread.

Please see notes about who is actually
posting and from where the posts are originating!

Joel

>Just a short note.  I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years.
>Usenet was what it was.  SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with the gateway
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>carabelli
 
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