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carabelli - 22 Aug 2005 03:55 GMT
Just a short note.  I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years.
Usenet was what it was.  SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with the gateway
up and running. I was quite content with it (and especially since due to a
group effort most of the resident malcontents quit posting when they were
ignored).  Now all the dentalcom posters have to learn what the old smd'ers
did to reclaim their posting area.

Nothing ever remains the same,  I'm not really angry about the gateway, but
not really happy either.  Truthfully, I have wasted way too much time here
anyway.

Anyone that wanted to post on DT or DC was well aware,  the old gang just
wasn't interested.  Again, you all take care.

carabelli
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 22 Aug 2005 05:57 GMT
You HAVE been missed.    Have you found a better newsgroup.   What does
gateway mean.
Naive questions, perhaps.   We look for  familiar  people, with or without
excluding the new ones.
Gail

> Just a short note.  I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years.
> Usenet was what it was.  SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with the gateway
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> carabelli
Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 11:23 GMT
Thanks Carabelli for your comments. This is extremely enlightening. You
already know that I respect your opinion immensely. The DentalCom gang
are a very polite and reasonable group! What you are observing is the
new synergism, not anything on DentalCom's part. You must see from
where the posts are originating. Over here I can see the difference. So
you may not have this figured out exactly right!

It can be interesting to come over to DentalCom.Net, sign up and then
look through the Members List. You will be a little surprised as to who
is on the list and who is not.

TO GAIL:

As time moves forward more and more people are becoming squeezed out of
Usenet. In fact, on another board some people ask, "What are
newsgroups?" Some ISPs are dropping usenet entirely, except for perhaps
members who have certain ahemmmmm, alternative views on life.

Unless someone has a specific interest, and a specific desire (as we
all do) more and more people are moving to the web. This means
hypertext transfer protocol (this is the http you see at the beginning
of URLs). At Usenet, also known as newsgroups, it is a different
protocol, or nttp, which refers to network news transfer protocol.

So the GATEWAY that we got is this:

nttp  - - - -- > http

http - - - - - -> nttp.

This permits the free exchange of ideas. Of course its still up to
individuals to police themselves and to refrain from too much combat
concerning controversial topics. This is exactly like the REAL WORLD.

REAL WORLD STORY

I was approached by a couple of missionaries from the Mormon Church
this week. We politely discussed dentistry. Somewhere along the
conversation they asked if I had studied the Book of Mormon. I reported
that I had read some of it. End of Mormon discussion.

I was somewhat pleased with myself that I refrained from telling them
all I knew about the Mormons, the books I have read, the history, the
flaws in their sacred texts, you know, all the stuff that makes usenet
sometimes very interesting.

So it goes.

I can still play these discussions out inside my own brain, that you
may have surmised is still a very active place!

Joel

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Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 12:15 GMT
Ooooops, I tried to edit but I forgot one cannot edit these posts! Okay
adding this:

Let's say I only want to discuss whatever I want to discuss with Sue
BillKatz, Justin, Flap, and ...... well you fill in the blank. Oh
forgot ... MartyCollinsRDH! Sheesh, I almost forgot.

Let's say I do not care what anyone else has to say. I do not even wan
to read it. So why not simply block everyone else? Wouldn't that work?

Joel

That way, the people who want more get more while the people who wan
less get less

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Joel34
Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 14:19 GMT
carabelli Wrote:
> Just a short note. I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years
> Usenet was what it was. SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with th
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> carabelli
We have under 10 active posters....

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Administrato
Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 14:23 GMT
I could split the active posts and SMD posts into 2 different searches
I have been thinking about doing this because DC has now a majority o
SMD posts
I dont have any plans on turning the gateway off. Too many of my user
enjoy it. I do have an idea of how you feel. Most of the posts latel
have been SMD related (Though I thought this would happen if I put i
the gateway)

Play pacman! Its a great way to be productive, especially at th
office

=

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Administrato
Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
The only way the gateway we will turn it off, is if we have a poll vot
on DC, and whichever way the poll will swing, thats what we will do.
have an idea about where it will swing. If there is one unhappy SM
user over the gateway, then I dont look at it as a big deal, there i
always going to be one. I have learned this with almost every hack
have installed. But if there are people on SMD coming out of the woo
work, then thats a different story

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Administrato
Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT
Strange, there are so few active posters on DC I cant see how you guy
take such offense. It sounds to me like you guys have fought hard fo
your tight knit group, and you want to keep it that way. Remember on
thing, usenet newsgroups are PUBLIC. Not private

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Administrato
Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 18:07 GMT
I am certain the whole thing is being misunderstood. Here is th
DentalCom list:

a. Joel344 (me!)
b. Justin aka Administrator, aka Justin aka JShafer.
c. Bill Katz
d. Sue Madden aka Sue aka Sue Madden
e. MartyCollinsRDH aka the hygienist.
f. Letsconnect
g. ummmmmmm.

The rest are posting from sci.med.dentistry, not from here.

How do I know? Every poster who connects from SMD has a "n/a" liste
near the number of posts. Everyone posting from here either has
number for the number of posts or is posting as anonymous.

So blaming the traffic as being from DentalCom is an oversimplifaction
Yeah sure, there are more responses to questions. But that is about it
So why not simply block the people you do not want to hear from?

So far, in my opinion, all the discussions have been pretty great!

As for feeds, RSS, etc., if you turn on your cell phone and yo
suddenly see Sue Madden's picture, well do not blame me!

Joel

Administrator Wrote:
> Strange, there are so few active posters on DC I cant see how you guy
> take such offense. It sounds to me like you guys have fought hard fo
> your tight knit group, and you want to keep it that way. Remember on
> thing, usenet newsgroups are PUBLIC. Not private

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Joel34
letsconnect - 22 Aug 2005 20:36 GMT
> I am certain the whole thing is being misunderstood. Here is the
> DentalCom list:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> The rest are posting from sci.med.dentistry, not from here.

Actually, I'm posting from Google Groups... so it's really only a
handful of people from DC... newsgroups were before my time...
Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 21:23 GMT
Right you are Letsconn .....

The image below shows the tip-off .....

To tell you the truth, I tend not to notice, but judge
people more by the content of their posts than by the
color of their ISP .....

Sounds like Martin Luther King a bit .... sorry!

Jopel

**

(IMAGE viewable by people of all persuasions).

http://tinypic.com/ay3koz.jpg

and

.

[image: http://tinypic.com/ay3koz.jpg]

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Joel34
Joel344 - 22 Aug 2005 21:35 GMT
What's the advantage of DentalCom over the usenet scheme of things? I
you look at this thread,

http://dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=13016

which is,

LEWIS WROTE,

Veneer case to close diastema

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is my first post to this forum and thought I would share a venee
case we completed to close a diastema between #8 & #9. This case show
the results that can be obtained by proper planning, preparation an
material selection. Any comments appreciated.

END ......

Reply

You will see a series of beautiful color photos illustrating a poin
about dentistry. If you cannot see the photos then you are missin
something interesting. Ths is what kind of got me -hooked on DentalCo
.... - well that plus the folks here ...... of course the SMD folk
are very super people too.

Joe

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Joel34
billkatz - 22 Aug 2005 14:54 GMT
> I could split the active posts and SMD posts into 2 different searches.
I have been thinking about doing this because DC has now a majority of
SMD posts.

The monster gateway is Google's Groups which culls all kinds of
newsfeeds, not DC. Cropping or splitting the searches won't do much
since it's already "Googled" long before it gets to DC.
billkatz - 22 Aug 2005 14:23 GMT
Ok everybody,

This gateway was originally my idea and from what I gather from severa
posts, poignantly I fell at fault. The gateway was never intended to ac
as an interloper onto SMD. Its purpose was to establish a connection t
newsfeeds like SMD for those who couldn’t access public newsgroup
like SMD because of different mitigating factors (like their ISP’
unwillingness to provide newsfeeds or simply a lack of expertise o
setting up OE). Since DentalCom is principally a dental related site
SMD was an obvious choice.

It was never my intent to trespass onto what I assumed was a publi
newsfeed. I also know Justin, the SysOp of DC (who did all the har
work) and I know he’s very particular about keeping things well unde
control on his board.

FWIW, gateways are nothing new. Back in the early 80’s I was one o
the coordinators of a group called Fido. Back then, users had to lo
into BBS’s in order to read newsfeeds since there was no Interne
per-se. There were only the hobbyists, universities and Arpanet. Th
gateway that’s been established here allows regular HTML users t
access your posts and believe me; this board has lots of readers (man
don’t post, but readers nonetheless). This gateway also allows user
to convert the newsfeeds into RSS and read/post from a cell phone o
PDA if they wish. What the heck, I thought it was a good idea.

Carabelli, Dr. Steve, I’m sorry if I’ve caused discourse. It wa
never my intent to do so. It was my intent to bring in like minde
individuals, but from what I’ve read, it hasn’t turned out tha
way.

I’ll be the first to sign off if I’m not welcome here.

Bil

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billkat
Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 14:31 GMT
billkatz Wrote:
> Ok everybody
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Bill

FIDO! I forgot all about FIDO. Those really were the old days

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Administrato
Sue - 22 Aug 2005 15:03 GMT
Hi Carabelli,

I have tried SMD in the past, but I enjoy the more organized format
that Justin has here. I found the news group format difficult to use. I
am really sorry if this gateway has caused a feeling of invasion for the
SMD folks.  

Personally, I was very excited to see all of these new people and
hoping to have some good discussion!!

I hope you can give this a little more time before you jump to negative
conclusions.  I think it may be just a matter of getting to know one
another.

Dcom really only has a few posters.  We are all good people. IMHO, I
don't think any of us wish to take over your discussion group or to
push anyone out.  We only want to be able to get to  know you and take
part in your discussions within this new format.  (At least that is my
perspective).

I hope you do not leave SMD over this.  If you have any suggestions
that could help us with some sort of compromise that would keep you
here and posting, that would be wonderful.  If it is our style posting,
what we post or whatever.  I hate to see anyone leave a healthy
discussion group because of a format change and/or new voices.

Thank you if you can keep an open mind.  

Sincerely,

Sue

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Administrator - 22 Aug 2005 15:07 GMT
Sue, I see your viewpoint completly. And I can see theres. I dont wan
them to leave SMD either. Guys, the only people from DC who regularl
post are, joel, billkatz, myself, sue, and we see shad and amber o
occasion. Thats about it. We do have a lot of lurkers. Around 90% o
visitors just like to read

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Administrato
jshafer817 - 22 Aug 2005 15:35 GMT
Maybe people would like it if I posted under my real account, and no
the administrator account..

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Justin Shafer
Onsite Dental Systems
2232 Solona St.
Fort Worth, TX. 76117
(817) 909-4222
jshafer817@comcast.ne
Tom - 23 Aug 2005 22:17 GMT
>Maybe people would like it if I posted under my real account, and not
>the administrator account...

Maybe it would be better if yous all quoted something of the post
you're replying to so that we know what you're talking about.  

Reading lists of disjointed comments is boring and useless.  

Tom
Amatus Cremona - 23 Aug 2005 22:49 GMT
> Maybe it would be better if you all quoted something of the post
> you're replying to so that we know what you're talking about.
>
> Reading lists of disjointed comments is boring and useless.

How do I improve on that posting?

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Amatus

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>
>>Maybe people would like it if I posted under my real account, and not
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Tom
Sue - 24 Aug 2005 00:31 GMT
RE: SMD-Dentcom gateway

How do I find SMD so I can see what it is that you are talking about?
I am not sure how posts from Dcom are displayed at SMD.
It will help me to understand the format concerns. Thanks, Sue

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billkatz - 24 Aug 2005 04:03 GMT
Look inot http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry?lnk=li&hl=e

-

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billkat
Sue - 24 Aug 2005 04:31 GMT
billkatz Wrote:
> Look inot http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry?lnk=li&hl=e
>
> -b
Bill, That actually looks really neat! The last time I saw the Scime
newsgroup it was in a different format.  I like your link better
Thanks

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Joel344 - 24 Aug 2005 14:51 GMT
An ALIAS for groups.google.com is www.deja.com.

I tried posting from there yesterday. Oy vey! Sign in, sign out .......
that's why I hate it. W_B probably hates it too as each page contains
plenty of ads on the right side.

Each one, say MedKB has advantages, disadvantages. Justin's efforts
(www.DentalCom.net) are by far the best on the 'net.

Joel

Joel

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Joel344 - 24 Aug 2005 15:03 GMT
ONE PERSON'S OPINION ....

Mine!

I am pleased with the new response t
sci.med.dentistry/MedKB/DentalCom.net/GoogleGroups

Why?

There are many new quality posters and many quality old posters
Quality posters means real people posting about real issues. I vow t
keep my promise not to respond to, or to bait, or otherwise tittilat
people who are responding to "non-quality" issues. The non-qualit
issues are also here. No one can "censor anything" without censorin
too much. That was the decision by the U.S. Third Circuit Court i
2001. I agree. Sometimes we have to put up with more than we want to
in order to avoid getting MUCH LESS than we need.

Hey!

Isn't this what a dental newsgroup is about? Aren't these ALL denta
discussions?

Now if I want to keep it like it was, its too simple. All's I have t
do is to block everyone other than the three or six people that I wan
to reply to. Its too simple. Or I can establish an e-mail listserv an
its the same.

Joel

So what am I missing here

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Joel344 - 24 Aug 2005 17:52 GMT
This is just a guess, but my guess is that the sudden flurry of ne
posts, the huge gaggle of new posters is partially ..... a result o
references to images within our posts. Yeah of course anyone ca
include the URL of the image within one's post but some of the htt
sites are stripping out references to images.

www.DentalCom.net does not strip them out and offers a link to the htt
site so people can view the images in real time. Others can view th
image through a link.

I will post the link two ways .. embedded within the body using [ i m
] tags and separately as a hyperlink.

Here is an example:

I think this is increasing traffic.

Joel

The embedded image ..... CEREC! (This is not available o nthe 'net).

.

[image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg]

.

The hyperlink to same:

http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jp

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StovePipe - 25 Aug 2005 07:07 GMT
Hi JME! Youse wrote:

The embedded image ..... CEREC! (This is not available o nthe 'net).
[image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg]

The hyperlink to same:

http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg

What is the difference? Are you saying that putting square brackets and
"img" around a link will shield it from being stripped from the various
web servers? And while we are at it: how do you make square brakets on
a Windoze Box? I tried holding down the Windoze key and typing "()" but
all it did was launch eighteen nuclear rockets towards the planet
"Ralph".... :-/

Sorry about that....
Thanks
SP
Joel344 - 25 Aug 2005 11:44 GMT
I can embed graphics (inline graphics) into DentalCom.net by enclosin
the URL in what we call [ i m g ] tags without the spaces.

If I do this the image appears while the individual is reading th
text. This is done without the spaces, as example:

[ i m g ] http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg [ / i m g ]

and

[image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg]

.

same code, the image gets rendered!

.

The reason why I have to put in the spaces is that if I do not, th
software will render the image and replace the code with an image. No
when this gets rendered at DentalCom.net is also gets CONVERTED to,

[image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg] for distribution elsewhere.

I am including some spaces as I am not sure if this will be rendered o
not.

[ i m a g e : http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg    ]

and finally,

http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg

will return the hyperlink which is clickable in either DentalCom.net
MedKB, Google, and elsewhere but not in sci.med.dentistry is one use
Forte Free Agent. If one uses MS-Outlook, then it is clickable and th
images are/are not rendered depending on which code one uses.

The [ i m g ] tags are vBulletin tags.

The "[" and "]" are the two keys found directly above the " quote mar
and right between the "p" and the "\"

Joe

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jshafer817 - 28 Aug 2005 03:32 GMT
I seperated the two searches on the site. Now its easier to tell th
difference between the two.. There is SMD Topics, and DC Topics..

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A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
Certified Technician
Justin Shafer
Onsite Dental Systems
Fort Worth, TX.
817909422
Administrator - 28 Aug 2005 03:36 GMT
Click on the attachment link at the bottom of the site.

+-------------------------------------------------------------------
|Filename: Untitled-3.jpg                                          
|Download: http://dentalcom.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=702
+-------------------------------------------------------------------

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Administrato

A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
Certified Technicia
Justin Shafe
Onsite Dental System
Fort Worth, TX
817909422

' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs
Tim Dixon - 28 Aug 2005 17:23 GMT
> Click on the attachment link at the bottom of the site..
>
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
> |Filename: Untitled-3.jpg                                           |
> |Download: http://dentalcom.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=702|
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+

> ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs)

I'm quite curious how the link above ends up going to Microsoft at:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=321CD7A2-6A57-4C57-A8BD
-DBF62EDA9671&displaylang=en

jshafer817 - 28 Aug 2005 17:32 GMT
The tinyurl link, I believe, is from one of joel's posts.

Its redirects you to microsofts site. I know you can go to tinyurl.com,
and make your own url. A url is like http://www.google.com.

You can take a really long url, like the microsoft link, and shorten it
down to something really small, and easy for people to remember, and the
link wont take up so much space in a post.

Thats what the tinyurl service does. Its free, and you can take a
really long url and shorten it down. Its a redirector service.

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Justin Shafer
Onsite Dental Systems
Fort Worth, TX.
8179094222

Joel344 - 28 Aug 2005 20:40 GMT
Redirect!
Go to www.tinyurl.com

Enter the l-o-oo-o-o-oo-o-o-g URL.

Hit GO!

Copy the new URL.

Joel

.

[image: http://tinypic.com/b9gifp.jpg]

.

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 13:31 GMT
well thats just plain lame.

> Redirect!
> Go to www.tinyurl.com
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> .
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 15:05 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:
> well thats just plain lame
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> > Joel344's Profile: http://dentalcom.net/forum/member.php?userid=1
> > View this thread: http://dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=271

Then why did you ask

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A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
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Justin Shafe
Onsite Dental System
Fort Worth, TX
817909422

' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs
Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 15:26 GMT
> Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> well thats just plain lame.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>> >
> Then why did you ask?

I asked why there is a link that goes somewhere that isn't clearly
understandable by the link itself.  And so I think thats pretty lame.  Just
like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame.
Amatus Cremona - 29 Aug 2005 15:47 GMT
> I asked why there is a link that goes somewhere that isn't clearly
> understandable by the link itself.  And so I think that's pretty lame.
> Just like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame.

hear hear.

I now filter out any posts coming from DC.  Too hard to follow any
conversations.

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>> Tim Dixon Wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> understandable by the link itself.  And so I think thats pretty lame.
> Just like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame.
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 16:48 GMT
Amatus Cremona Wrote:

> > I asked why there is a link that goes somewhere that isn't clearl
> > understandable by the link itself. And so I think that's pretty lame
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> > Just like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame
> >Thats fine. You guys really should stick to something thats "easy t
follow"... DC might be too complex for your simple minds..

Web based posting to a newsgroup..

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A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
Certified Technicia
Justin Shafe
Onsite Dental System
Fort Worth, TX
817909422

' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 16:56 GMT
If you guys cant understand something simple as web based posting, o
even something simple as tinyurl, a free redirector service that joe
likes, then I dont really care if you like dentalcom or not. Your jus
being pricks to joel, and to me, and your finding crazy reasons t
start an argument

I think you are lame

I think I see why you guys hide out here. And why the amount of SM
posts are following in the past few years

You think people that spent this much time in school, could grasp eas
concepts, or at least have the respect not to diss something jus
because someone else likes it. But I guess not

Next time you guys want to know what tinyurl is, go look it u
yourself

Glad I'm not your patient

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A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu
Certified Technicia
Justin Shafe
Onsite Dental System
Fort Worth, TX
817909422

' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs
Sue - 29 Aug 2005 17:29 GMT
Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
some really good discussion going

It looks like the gateway has become a
invasion for the SMD usenet group

*If there was away that we could combine
*our posts in a format that was not so
*confusing, it may work.*

There is no good reason to fight about it
Justin.  That only creates bad feelings
and burns bridges.  We have to be considerat
of their veiwpoints, IMHO.
-Su

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:08 GMT
> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
> some really good discussion going.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> of their veiwpoints, IMHO.
> -Sue

Why don't you all just leave USENET to be USENET.  We don't care what you do
on the web, but your running into USENET puritans who don't see it as you
do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the net.
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:12 GMT
Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people just
like you, but instead of posting through news readers, we do it through
a website.

You need a bowl of cry baby soup.

Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want.

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Onsite Dental Systems
Fort Worth, TX.
8179094222
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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:19 GMT
> Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people just
> like you, but instead of posting through news readers, we do it through
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want.

Hey think what you want, we will.  Say what you want, we will.  And all that
.sig stuff, isn't impressive, and is only clutter, really!
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:33 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:

> > Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people
> just
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> that
> ..sig stuff, isn't impressive, and is only clutter, really!
Yeah, and when we patients walk into your office we REALLY are
impressed with all the credentials hanging on your walls.

Its actually my sig from dentaltown and dc. Its my sig, and I can use
it if I want. I know a guy who has literally 25 different
certifications. His signature would be so long you wouldnt be able to
stand it.

Of course, leave it up to someone to complain about a signature.
I am going to do that next time I go to the dentist. =)

Why do you got all this stuff up on the walls? Are you trying to
impress me, doc?

Thats why you need a bowl of cry baby soup.

Shoot, at least I dont have to change the title of my name to get
everybody to know what I do.

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Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:33 GMT
Administrator Wrote:
> Yeah, and when we patients walk into your office we REALLY are impressed
> with all the credentials hanging on your walls.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Shoot, at least I dont have to change the title of my name to get
> everybody to know what I do.
Besides, If I just put up MCP, and RHCE, I doubt you would have any
idea of what that is.

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:45 GMT
> Administrator Wrote:
>> Yeah, and when we patients walk into your office we REALLY are impressed
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Besides, If I just put up MCP, and RHCE, I doubt you would have any
> idea of what that is.

There you go again making assumptions.  Maybe you should stick to moderating
your own boards and we'll be just happy as pie to say goodbye.
Sue - 29 Aug 2005 19:01 GMT
Justin
I think it is best if you cool off and regroup right now, IMHO
This will only get very ugly if you continue to talk about this
while you are angry.  You guys are only ticking each other off more an
more and both of you are making less and less sense

As DC, we cannot force ourselves on anyone.  Perhaps we can physicall
do so by creating a gateway... but we will never gain acceptance or b
able to have any civil conversation by FORCING our way in

Justin you have control over Dcom... but not over SMD. If this turn
into a battle there is no way this gateway will work to increase D
registration. JMHO

*But dang.   I am often wrong about this stuff.*  Some people LOV
conflict....  I don't..

Just my 2 cents
Su

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:43 GMT
> Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Shoot, at least I dont have to change the title of my name to get
> everybody to know what I do.

You are assuming I am a dentist, which I am not.  That aside, I have been a
reg in this group since 1994.  For all you claim to be doing for dentistry
you sure have a bad attitude about dentists in general.  You should consider
doing something else with your "credentials".
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:17 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:

> > Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to ge
> > some really good discussion going
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> yo
> do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the net.
Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people jus
like you, but instead of posting through news readers, we do it throug
a website.

You need a bowl of cry baby soup

Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:23 GMT
> Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa we'll post here if we want to... WHO CARES
LAMER?????????????????  Doesn't mean we have to like you or your LAME method
of doing it.
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:36 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:

> > Tim Dixon Wrote:
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> method
> of doing it.I am only keeping this up because I my users like it. I could honestly
care less what you guys discuss. I dont read any other thread relating
to dentistry. I am not a dentist. I dont care if you like your way of
doing things. Just because you like using usenet the old fashoined way
doesnt mean your stupid. As a pc tech, I still have to use a command
line interface, and I often prefer it over a mouse. Its faster for me.

But to go out and call web based posting lame, is just ridiculous.

And when I say my user base I am talking about users who use dentalcom
to post. The same guys who once used newsgroup software or other ways
to post. Suddently you dont like their new way of posting. I dont care
if you guys dont like dc. To me, it just seems that you either like
your old way, or your stubborn and ignorant.

Do you treat people this way face to face? I wonder....

There is a poll vote on dc to keep the gateway or not. Your vote is
welcomed, but registration is required.

=)

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:49 GMT
> Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
> There is a poll vote on dc to keep the gateway or not. Your vote is
> welcomed, but registration is required.

Oh boy i'm impressed, a PC technician who uses a command prompt.
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 18:57 GMT
How about a young network admin who was nice enough to create a site fo
free out of his own spare time at the request of other dentists who liv
in other parts of the united states

DC isnt free, and I pay for it. I dont charge anything to dentists wh
want to use it. I promise to let anyone talk about anything, as long a
its not spam. This was a problem for us at one point in time, and it
the reasion why dc was created

I even added an arcade, so guys who know eachother over the internet
could play eachother if they wanted too. Which was something else
know other dentists wanted to do on other sites

Other people can at least show appreciation, but not everybody I guess

I am at a loss. Why is it hard to follow the conversations?

Its very easy for me. With dentalcom, and xnews software

And honestly were not "combining" anything. Look at the site. Your par
of the site is seperate from ours

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Dr. Steve - 29 Aug 2005 22:20 GMT
This is exactly the kind of crap that drove me off DT.  

>Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
>Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want.

```````````````````````
Stephen (What's a temporary?)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
W_B - 29 Aug 2005 22:47 GMT
>This is exactly the kind of crap that drove me off DT.  

What ? the crybaby soup ?

Prolly not seasoned very well.

<VBSEG>
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wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Sue - 29 Aug 2005 23:01 GMT
W_B Wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:20:52 GMT, Dr. Steve <DRSTEVE@HAMMER.COM>wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Take out the G'RBAG
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Well perhaps Dr. Steve will now be leaving SMD
That's too bad, but his choice

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Joel344 - 29 Aug 2005 23:33 GMT
REPLY

Actually most men claim they have no idea what binaries
are either yet those binary newsgroups are HUGE!~ C'Mon
Sue, fess up!

Joel

And seriously, I appreciate any lesson in usenet netiquette that yo
are willing to share. Thanks Tim & Bill for explaining binary. I had n
idea what you were talking about.

We (Dcom) are a small group. We should be able to work within you
expected boundaries without remaining PITAs (I hope!)

Su

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Sue - 29 Aug 2005 23:48 GMT
Joel344 Wrote:
> REPLY
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>  
Joel, Now don't making trouble with your binary jokes.  Who owns Sci
med anyway?  Thanks -Sue

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Joel344 - 29 Aug 2005 23:52 GMT
The human beings own it ......

Each ISP who so desires ... or so desired during the past 20 year
installed a network news (nntp) server. As they get messages, fo
example this one, the messages are relayed all around the world, serve
to server. We access from each server.

This was the original meaning of decentralized computing which wa
mandated to avoid a crippling (nuclear) blow to a centralized syste
located say, in Washington DC ...... from the Soviet Union or someon
else!

Locally, bulletin boards served similar function. These were all tex
based which is why the tradition continues.

Joel

Sue Wrote:
> Joel, Now don't making trouble with your binary jokes.  Who owns Sci me
> anyway?  Thanks -Su

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billkatz - 29 Aug 2005 23:57 GMT
Sue Wrote:
> Joel, Now don't making trouble with your binary jokes. Who owns Sci me
> anyway? Thanks -Sue
YousNet. Yous, Mees and Everybodyelses who reads it

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Sue - 30 Aug 2005 00:05 GMT
billkatz Wrote:
> YousNet. Yous, Mees and Everybodyelses who reads it.
So in other words Sci Med is public domain, not private like
Dentaltown.  So anyone can access and use it. Our gateway is just a
different avenue for accessing SMD than through the usenet. Is this
correct?  -Sue

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Joel344 - 30 Aug 2005 00:13 GMT
Yes this is true. The only thing that can happen is that
someone can claim you are harrassing them or something
but they have to send their driver's license in or something ...

the details escape me .....

Joe

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Joel344 - 30 Aug 2005 00:17 GMT
I heard you can get kicked out for lying but no
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billkatz - 30 Aug 2005 00:17 GMT
Sue

UseNet is like asking "what is the internet?" UseNet feeds vary fro
anything to possibly everything that one can discuss. Nobody own
UseNet and everybody owns UseNet, so yes, in a way, it is public domai
as long as those posting understand that copyrights and intellectua
property should be respected

Here's some info on UseNet - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usene

And here's a sampling of daily traffic

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=1><TBODY><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">4.5 'GB
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte)</TD><TD>1996-12</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD><
/TR><TR><T

style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">
GB</TD><TD>1997-07</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1
GB</TD><TD>1998-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">2
GB</TD><TD>1999-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">8
GB</TD><TD>2000-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">18
GB</TD><TD>2001-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">25
GB</TD><TD>2002-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">49
GB</TD><TD>2003-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">96
GB</TD><TD>2004-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.30 'TB
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabyte)</TD><TD>2004-09-30</TD><TD>Octanews.net</
TD></TR><TR><T

style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.2
TB</TD><TD>2004-11-30</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.3
TB</TD><TD>2004-12-31</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.3
TB</TD><TD>2005-01-01</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.3
TB</TD><TD>2005-01-01</TD><TD>Newsreader.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.6
TB</TD><TD>2005-01-31</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.6
TB</TD><TD>2005-02-01</TD><TD>Newsreader.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.8
TB</TD><TD>2005-02-28</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.8
TB</TD><TD>2005-03-08</TD><TD>Newsreader.com</TD></TR><TR><T
style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">2.00 TB</TD><TD>2005-03-11</TD><TD>Variou
sources</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE

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Sue - 30 Aug 2005 01:05 GMT
billkatz Wrote:
> Sue,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>  
REPLY.  Taks for the info Bill.  Is Sci med a moderated newsgroup?

*::Moderated and unmoderated newsgroups::*

A minority of newsgroups are *moderated*. That means that messages
submitted by readers are not distributed to USENET, but instead are
emailed to the *moderators* of the newsgroup, for approval. Moderated
newsgroups have rules called *charters*. Moderators are persons whose
job is to ensure that messages that the readers see in newsgroups,
conform to the charter of the newsgroup. Typically, moderators are
appointed in the proposal for the newsgroup, and changes of moderators
follow a succession plan.

The job of the moderator is to receive submitted articles, review
them, and inject approved articles so that they could properly
propagate worldwide. Such articles must bear the Approved: header line.

Unmoderated newsgroups form the majority of USENET newsgroups, and
messages submitted by readers for unmoderated newsgroups, are
immediately propagated for everyone to see.

Creation of moderated newsgroups often becomes a hot subject of
controversy, bringing up valid issues regarding censorship, vs. the
desire of a subset of users to form an 'Intentional community'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community).

['edit' (http://tinyurl.com/bpcbv)]

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Sue - 30 Aug 2005 01:05 GMT
Nevermind.  I can see that Sci med is unmoderated.  Thank you for th
link. -Su

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Joel344 - 30 Aug 2005 01:08 GMT
About ...

Creation of moderated newsgroups often becomes a hot subject of
controversy, bringing up valid issues regarding censorship, vs. the
desire of a subset of users to form an Intentional community.

REPLY

Sci.med.dentistry: UNMODERATED!

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Sue - 29 Aug 2005 18:36 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:

> > Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
> > some really good discussion going.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> you
> do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the net.
Hi Tom,
If we posted through Usenet would we still be
considered invaders?

Is this an issue of how we are accessing your usenet
group or is it the content of our posts that you do
not like.

I would like to take part in SMD Usenet on occasion
as I think there is some good discussion there. I
apologize for Justin's demeanor.  He has worked hard to
get Dcom off the ground and I think he is just very
disappointed that this gateway is viewed as an invasion
by you folks.

I can see that you have not been attacking Justin or
any of us... you only wish to continue to frequent
usenet without a bunch of posts coming in out of order.
That is perfectly understandable!

Justin and Joel were trying to explain a way that
can be done.  I am sorry it turned into an argument.

Rather than giving up already,  perhaps you may consider
some of the positivies this could bring for those of you on
the usenet group... IF we can alleviate the positnf format
issues.

For example, one advantage of Dentalcom is that you
can post  pictures here.  I am not sure if you can do that
at SMD.  

IMHO, We really need you guys.  (I know you do not need us).
But perhaps we can add something that you currently do
not have?

Please think about it some more.
Sincerely,
-Sue

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 18:49 GMT
> Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
> Sincerely,
> -Sue

Sue I don't have anything against you, or DC, be that Washington or
otherwise.  However, it' apparent to most of us, that you all could use some
lessons in usenettiquette.  And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD, and we
like it that way.
Amatus Cremona - 29 Aug 2005 19:01 GMT
> Is this an issue of how we are accessing your Usenet
> group or is it the content of our posts that you do
> not like.

If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars have virtually
disappeared from SMD since DC came around.  Partly due to weird stuff Joel
brings along. partly due to the Hg and kilowatt folks who follow him around,
partly due to DC filling SMD with posts that would require us to constantly
mark about 500 already posts as "unread" so that we could strain out the
message the DCfolks are responding to.  We have no idea what is being
discussed.  I find it easier to just block any messages which come directly
from DC.  No offense against any of the folk there.  I like Joel, I would
probably like the rest of the DC folk IRL.  I just don't have the interest
to chase through all those steps to figure out what is being discussed.

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>
>> Tim Dixon Wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
> some lessons in usenettiquette.  And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD,
> and we like it that way.
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 19:09 GMT
Amatus Cremona Wrote:

> > Is this an issue of how we are accessing your Usene
> > group or is it the content of our posts that you d
[quoted text clipped - 94 lines]
> > and we like it that way
> >As long as we hit the quote button everything works for us, and you guy
know what were talking about

As far as posts constantly needing to be marked as read, I dont hav
that problem with x-news. Or the news software my buddy used

This place is public, if anyone wants to post here they should be abl
to. If others dont like it dont read it. This is why dc has an ignor
feature, but we dont use it.

This place went downhill long before one person could cause it.
ITs been going downhill for years now, I have seen the chart.

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carabelli - 29 Aug 2005 19:23 GMT
"Administrator" <Administrator@DentalCom.net> wrote ......................

> This place went downhill long before one person could cause it.
> ITs been going downhill for years now, I have seen the chart.
>
> --
> Administrator

Nope, actually it was getting better.  It started a little shy of nine
months ago.

carabelli
Tony Bad - 29 Aug 2005 19:26 GMT
> "Administrator" <Administrator@DentalCom.net> wrote ......................
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> carabelli

Leave it to an IT guy to judge quality solely by numbers.

T
Administrator - 29 Aug 2005 19:33 GMT
Tony Bad Wrote:

> > "Administrator" <ADMINISTRATOR@DENTALCOM.NET>wrot
> .....................
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> T
My favorite userbase is the one on DentalCom, we have the smallest o
all the numbers, but at least were not declining

Ok. Last post

Grrr

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carabelli - 29 Aug 2005 19:48 GMT
> Tony Bad Wrote:
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
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The ratio of quality posts / total posts was increasing.  And, probably the
total number of quality posts increased also.

carabelli
Sue - 29 Aug 2005 19:53 GMT
Amatus wrote (quotes)

"If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars hav
virtuall
disappeared from SMD since DC came around.

REPLY.  I cannot compare because I have no idea who the regulars wer
or are on SMD

"I find it easier to just block any messages which come directl
from DC."

REPLY. Certainly understandable.  It was difficult for me to relaiz
this because people have beem responding to my posts.  Therefore I ha
little idea as to the confusion you were/are dealing with

"However, it' apparent to most of us, that you all could use som
lessons in usenettiquette.

REPLY.  How to we get lessons?  What are your rules

"And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD, and we like it that way.

REPLY.  I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean that you do
not allow anyone to post on other newsgroups, dentalbords etc. If tha
is the case, how in the world can you control that

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Tim Dixon - 29 Aug 2005 20:03 GMT
> Amatus wrote (quotes):
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> not allow anyone to post on other newsgroups, dentalbords etc. If that
> is the case, how in the world can you control that?

Sue,

Herein lies some of the problems.  You mixed comments by me and comments by
Amatus as though you were adressing the same person.  This is what is
driving us nuts.  I am sure it wasn't intentional, but this is a problem
nonetheless.  I can't comment on your questions to Amatus, just like he
can't/shouldn't comment to those you made to me.

That was lesson one for usenettiquette.

As for Binaries, they (images, video, other file types) are not allowed on
this Usenet newsgroup.  There are binary newsgroups where you can post
binary content, but this is strictly text based.  Its not us that restrict
the content, but rather the system of UseNet.

Why not just get a news reader like Forte Free Agent, or Outlook, or
Netscape, or some other reader and follow news the way it was meant to be
used.  Just because you can do something doesn't make it right.
billkatz - 29 Aug 2005 20:17 GMT
“partly due to the Hg and kilowatt folks who follow him around,
partly due to DC filling SMD with posts that would require us t
constantly mark about 500 already posts as "unread" so that we coul
strain out the message the DCfolks are responding to. We have no ide
what is being discussed. I find it easier to just block any message
which come directly from DC”

Amatus,

Are you telling us that DentalCom is posting messages that your reade
recognizes as already read? I’m asking because groups like Google an
readers like OE show them as new. If so, please explain. There may b
something that can be done from this end to resolve the problem. Mos
if not all newsgroup readers are picking up new messages without havin
to mark 500 as unread.

Tim,

No binaries are posted via DC. Hyperlinks are what’s been posted an
there’s nothing wrong with linking an image. Just tell you
newsreader to not open hyperlinks if you don’t want to see th
picture. Binaries, no! Please, give it a rest.

To everyone else,

I really can’t see why some are genuinely so upset about posts fro
DC aside for the appearance of being interlopers onto what is
*totally public newsgroup*. On average, fifteen to twenty posts ar
coming out per day, which isn’t much at all for a newsgroup. I’
not even going to address “usenettiquette”; that’s just a load o
bullsh*t because the same people who are complaining about it don’
even bother to trim off their posts.

In most cases, the solution is simple. Elect a moderator and post som
rules. Nobody should be expected to guess what the guidelines of thi
group are if they’re not made available. BTW, the newsfeeds coming t
and from this website, Google, healthcareforums.org, dailydentistry.com
med-help.info, sci.tech-archive.net, health-related-chat.com, etc, etc
etc, etc are all FULLY NNTP COMPLIANT.

Good grief

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Joel344 - 29 Aug 2005 20:57 GMT
PS~ I am trying to figure out which technique is easier,
slicker, more convenient, better for communicating .... Forte Fre
Agent (usenet) or DentalCom.Net (http).

Joel

Hello!

I intended to answer the following miscommunications,
but by the time I got to the top I figured there was no use!

Anyone who looks at DentalCom realizes that posts coming
from "outside: have the poster martked as Guest, and the
number of posts is n/a.

Its easy to discriminate between posters from DentalCom
and elsewhere.

That said, it is not the DentalCom people causing the traffic.
Oh except for me maybe.

I also post and read through Forte Free Agent
and Deja to see how it looks elsewhere.

Joel

Here are the people "clogging up sci.med.dentistry" August 1 throug
August 28:

** means DentalCom.net posters, primarily.

[321]    **Joel344 <joeleichen@yahoo.com>  13.1%
[213]    W_B <no_one@nowhere.net>  8.7%
[174]    StovePipe <stove99pipeTRA@SHHyahoo.ca>  7.1%
[120]    Flap <fullosseousflap@gmail.com>  4.9%
[110]    Dr Steve <nospam@home.net>  4.5%
[80]    **Sue <s.c.madden@comcast.net>  3.3%
[78]    *(?)*letsconnect <letsconnect@myway.com>  3.2%
[57]    Mark & Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com>  2.3%
[56]    **billkatz <billthekat@hotmail.com>  2.3%
[48]    **Administrator <Administrator@DentalCom.net>  2.0%
[44]    shadlewis <shadlewis@gmail.com>  1.8%
[43]    LadyLollipop <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com>  1.8%
[40]    Robert Morien <PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com>  1.6%
[37]    Vaughn <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net>  1.5%
[32]    Tim Dixon <timgdixon-no-spam@cox.net>  1.3%
[32]    Dr Steve <"Dr>  1.3%
[31]    Amatus Cremona <leavemealone@GDAE.com>  1.3%
[30]    The Webby <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.co...>  1.2%
[29]    Alexander Vasserman DDS <purple543210@yahoo.ca>  1.2%
[28]    Dr. Steve <Drsteve@hammer.com>  1.1%
[28]    Steven Fawks <tuthjockey@earthlink.net>  1.1%
[27]    George Chatzipetros <chpetros@hotmail.com>  1.1%
[26]    Bill <dentaldoc@hotmail.com>  1.1%
[23]    Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinnonsense@earthlink.net>  0.9%
[23]    NOYB <noyb@noyb.com>  0.9%

Here are the topics "clogging up sci.med.dentistry," same time period!

[220]  Rod Kurthy's Deep Bleaching Technique  8.96%
[99]  Sensitive - Pain - Root Canal  4.03%
[96]  dentalcom.net - smd gateway  3.91%
[89]  JEWS AND PHOTOGRAPHY  3.62%
[70]  Patterson Dental: Defrauding Investors?  2.85%
[70]  Connecticut Voters Say Ban Dental Mercury*  2.85%
[67]  Hilary Duff's New Teeth  2.73%
[66]  DentalCom.Net test  2.69%
[53]  This Commerical Building Is Perfect For A Den...  2.16%
[52]  Stuff About Dinosaurs I Never Knew .....  2.12%

BillKatz wrote,

To everyone else,

I really can’t see why some are genuinely so upset about posts fro
DC aside for the appearance of being interlopers onto what is
*totally public newsgroup*. On average, fifteen to twenty posts ar
coming out per day, which isn’t much at all for a newsgroup. I’
not even going to address “usenettiquette”; that’s just a load o
bullsh*t because the same people who are complaining about it don’
even bother to trim off their posts.

In most cases, the solution is simple. Elect a moderator and post som
rules. Nobody should be expected to guess what the guidelines of thi
group are if they’re not made available. BTW, the newsfeeds coming t
and from this website, Google, healthcareforums.org, dailydentistry.com
med-help.info, sci.tech-archive.net, health-related-chat.com, etc, etc
etc, etc are all FULLY NNTP COMPLIANT.

Good grief!

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> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get
> some really good discussion going.

No one on SMD objects to the posters from DC, we just cannot follo
postings
the same way, so the conversations make no sense to us. If you want to
converse, just log in to the Usenet like the rest of us do. Why is
there a
need to "combine" things when the system is fine as it is?

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> Is this an issue of how we are accessing your Usenet
> group or is it the content of our posts that you do
> not like.

If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars have
virtually
disappeared from SMD since DC came around. Partly due to weird stuff
Joel
brings along. partly due to the Hg and kilowatt folks who follow him
around,
partly due to DC filling SMD with posts that would require us to
constantly
mark about 500 already posts as "unread" so that we could strain out
the
message the DCfolks are responding to. We have no idea what is being
discussed. I find it easier to just block any messages which come
directly
from DC. No offense against any of the folk there. I like Joel, I
would
probably like the rest of the DC folk IRL. I just don't have the
interest
to chase through all those steps to figure out what is being
discussed.

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Amatus

You have an interesting view...I see it differently.

It seems to me that one or two people have taken it upon themselves to
hijack this group and shape it into something they want it to be. I
don't
like it, as it seems to have evolved into a mirror of other sites I
have
avoided over the years.

You may see that as lame, but I see your recent changes here as
invasive and
don't quite grasp why you feel it is the burden of those here long
before
you to work to grasp the changes we neither wanted or asked for. Don't
worry, in a few weeks all of the lame regulars who frequented this
group
will have lost interest and vanish and then you and Joel can do what
ever
you want in your new sandbox.

I also can't help but note that you have a rather low opinion of those
in
the dental profession...I hope when working at your job with Onsite
Dental
Systems you are able to mask that little chip on your shoulder.

T

Tony--

It seems to me that in the past few weeks the posting volume has gone
from manageable to insane. I know I'm reading less, not more of the
postings here.
Maybe things will settle down again, but right now I can't cope.

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Amatus wrote (quotes):

"If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars have
virtually
disappeared from SMD since DC came around."

REPLY. I cannot compare because I have no idea who the regulars were or
are on SMD.

"I find it easier to just block any messages which come directly
from DC."

REPLY. Certainly understandable. It was difficult for me to relaize
this because people have beem responding to my posts. Therefore I had
little idea as to the confusion you were/are dealing with

"However, it' apparent to most of us, that you all could use some
lessons in usenettiquette."

REPLY. How to we get lessons? What are your rules?

"And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD, and we like it that way."

REPLY. I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean that you do
not allow anyone to post on other newsgroups, dentalbords etc. If that
is the case, how in the world can you control that?

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Sue - 29 Aug 2005 22:25 GMT
Tim Dixon Wrote:
> Sue
>
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> b
> used. Just because you can do something doesn't make it right.
Tim

You are right.  It was not intentional.  I made a mistake.  Thanks fo
point this out.

I think our group of normally friendly D-commies are acting a bit hoit
toity myself (sorry guys, but you know I do not hesitate to be honest)

We descended upon your SMD usenet group in an effort to increase ou
readership and allo ourlseves more discussion

Since we are the invaders, I think we are the ones who need to be ver
respectful of your concerns.

I for one am going to try very hard to be judicious in my posts that g
to SMD .. try to be very considerate of their space and limit my number
of posts so as NOT to clog up their site

This thread being the exception, because this is a thread here we ar
at least discussing SMD's concerns.

And seriously, I appreciate any lesson in usenet netiquette that yo
are willing to share.  Thanks Tim & Bill for explaining binary. I ha
no idea what you were talking about

We (Dcom) are a small group.  We should be able to work within you
expected boundaries without remaining PITAs (I hope!

Su

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Su
Dr. Steve - 06 Sep 2005 20:10 GMT
>Tim Dixon Wrote:
>> >
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>Sincerely,
>-Sue

You know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I could have sworn that it has been mentioned
that no regulars from SMD dislike the regul;ars from DC.  The problem
is that in Usenet, your posting show up with no easy way to follow
what the heck is being said to whom about what.  

Even your brilliant administrator seems not to know how to add his
line of text on a new line from the message he is responding to.
Justin's last message got partially buried under the copied text line
of the poster he was responding to.  

You folk are all fine.  But,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I am not going to hang out
at your dear little web-site.  I have no need.  I can work a list of
NG's on OE or in Agent in moments, get all the new messages, figure
out what is being said, reply if I want to, and get offline.  I can do
this in short little bursts f Usenet activity.  

Why not just log into newsgroups in a normal fashion and explore the
differences?

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Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Joel M. Eichen - 06 Sep 2005 22:30 GMT
What Steve says is correct.

I have tried to follow threads on several different formats. May I
suggest this?

1. Unquote the DentalCom quotes.

It starts with [ q u o t e = S u e ] without the spaces.

So I change it to

Sue said,

And when its not clear who said what, its best to delete al lthat and
just say what you want to say ........

Any other suggestions .....?

Joel

>>Tim Dixon Wrote:
>>> >
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>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Dr. Steve - 06 Sep 2005 22:53 GMT
>What Steve says is correct.
>
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>
>Any other suggestions .....?

How about this idea?

Log on with a news group server and access the news group the way it
is supposed to be accessed?

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Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Joel M. Eichen - 06 Sep 2005 23:21 GMT
>How about this idea?
>
>Log on with a news group server and access the news group the way it
>is supposed to be accessed?

To tell you the truth, that is how I post in general. I also post
through the web just to see how it looks over there.

Joel
Roy Brown - 07 Sep 2005 06:34 GMT
I agree

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Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 08:38 GMT
Me too.

Vaughn, would you say that the amateur bands were
meant to be accessed through continuous wave (C.W.)? Of course not!

Just send Morse Code like the am bands (jam bands) were
meant to be accessed.

Joel

Gotta go......... my telegraph key is clickin' .......

Joel

>I agree
Dr. Steve - 07 Sep 2005 15:55 GMT
Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader.  If anything, it
is step backwards.  Plus, it is moderated and restricted.

>Me too.
>
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>
>>I agree

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Joel M. Eichen - 07 Sep 2005 17:46 GMT
The alternative is to post through a newsreader.

DentalCom does not replace sci.med.dentistry, it enhances
sci.med.dentistry.

I do not think it is moderated however.

Joel

>Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader.  If anything, it
>is step backwards.  Plus, it is moderated and restricted.
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>Stephen (What's a temporary?)
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Flap - 07 Sep 2005 19:16 GMT
Joel's Post:

The alternative is to post through a newsreader.

DentalCom does not replace sci.med.dentistry, it enhances
sci.med.dentistry.

I do not think it is moderated however.

Joel

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:55:15 GMT, Dr. Steve <Drst...@hammer.com>
wrote:
>Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader.  If anything, it
>is step backwards.  Plus, it is moderated and restricted.

>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 03:38:25 -0400, Joel M. Eichen
><joeleic...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>Me too.

>>Vaughn, would you say that the amateur bands were
>>meant to be accessed through continuous wave (C.W.)? Of course not!

>>Just send Morse Code like the am bands (jam bands) were
>>meant to be accessed.

>>Joel

>>Gotta go......... my telegraph key is clickin' .......

>>Joel

>>On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:34:01 -0400, "Roy Brown"
>><roybr...@sympatico.caNADA> wrote:

>>>I agree

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>Stephen (What's a temporary?)

Flap's Reply:

Joel, DentalCom.net is restricted and certainly moderated.  Justin
Shafer, the Administrator can modify and/or delete whatever he wishes.

When Justin, (the Administrator), and I had a disagreement after I
helped set up the site, he banned me and deleted all of my previous
posts.

Just the facts.....

Flap

http://flapsblog.com
jshafer817 - 07 Sep 2005 22:47 GMT
Flap Wrote:
> Joel's Post:
>
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>
> http://flapsblog.com

LOL, Flap lets hear all the facts. Did I not warn you if you eve
posted on DC again under flap, that I would remove all your posts, onl
because the first time I warned you, you kept on posting???? You go
warned, and when you tried to take another inch, I did exactly what
told you I would do.... Put your username on banned status, and remov
all your threads. You would think you would just post under a differen
name but no you wanted to test my limits.

Flap and I were partners... I did 90% of the work.. The bigges
contribution flap did, was name the site, and spam people. He name
most of the older forums, but the setup was almost exactly lik
dentaltowns, because the list he went off of to name forums, was fro
dentaltown. I did everything else, and we started the site because d
removed all the posts with the name israel in it. I have paid fo
everthing, and I setup the bulletin board, the hosting, countles
hacks, etc, etc, etc. It took about 2-3 weeks, and that was just th
beginning.

I still post on dental town, and I told him from the begining that if
make a forum based site, that I dont want to piss of anyone fro
dentaltown, in such a way that I get banned. At the time I had aroun
1,000 posts, and I didnt want to loose the ability to keep posting
Which I still have. He lost his ability because he was banned, an
after that he didnt care what happened to me.

He kept stealing images from a post on dentaltown, from a guy who is a
advocate for cerec. I think he sells it. He kept using this mans images
and then drawing on them, and talked about how horrible it was. He sai
he saw stuff like this all the time.

This dentist asked me to remove the images, and I knew that I didn
really have the image on my site legally, and since everything is in m
name I might be liable. This man is friends with the owner of DT, an
besides this he seems like a nice guy to me, nicer then you greg.

Flap always had his way when it came to any comprimise. And this ma
was getting pretty pissed off. I called a local dentist for advice o
what to do. Dr. H told me to tell flap to piss off, and to get his ow
images since he claims to do this all the time.

That was good enough for me, so when I called flap to politely persuad
him to remove the images and get his own, he told me that I have tw
options