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Just a short note. I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years. Usenet was what it was. SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with the gateway up and running. I was quite content with it (and especially since due to a group effort most of the resident malcontents quit posting when they were ignored). Now all the dentalcom posters have to learn what the old smd'ers did to reclaim their posting area. Nothing ever remains the same, I'm not really angry about the gateway, but not really happy either. Truthfully, I have wasted way too much time here anyway. Anyone that wanted to post on DT or DC was well aware, the old gang just wasn't interested. Again, you all take care. carabelli You HAVE been missed. Have you found a better newsgroup. What does gateway mean. Naive questions, perhaps. We look for familiar people, with or without excluding the new ones. Gail > Just a short note. I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years. > Usenet was what it was. SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with the gateway [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > carabelli Thanks Carabelli for your comments. This is extremely enlightening. You already know that I respect your opinion immensely. The DentalCom gang are a very polite and reasonable group! What you are observing is the new synergism, not anything on DentalCom's part. You must see from where the posts are originating. Over here I can see the difference. So you may not have this figured out exactly right! It can be interesting to come over to DentalCom.Net, sign up and then look through the Members List. You will be a little surprised as to who is on the list and who is not. TO GAIL: As time moves forward more and more people are becoming squeezed out of Usenet. In fact, on another board some people ask, "What are newsgroups?" Some ISPs are dropping usenet entirely, except for perhaps members who have certain ahemmmmm, alternative views on life. Unless someone has a specific interest, and a specific desire (as we all do) more and more people are moving to the web. This means hypertext transfer protocol (this is the http you see at the beginning of URLs). At Usenet, also known as newsgroups, it is a different protocol, or nttp, which refers to network news transfer protocol. So the GATEWAY that we got is this: nttp - - - -- > http http - - - - - -> nttp. This permits the free exchange of ideas. Of course its still up to individuals to police themselves and to refrain from too much combat concerning controversial topics. This is exactly like the REAL WORLD. REAL WORLD STORY I was approached by a couple of missionaries from the Mormon Church this week. We politely discussed dentistry. Somewhere along the conversation they asked if I had studied the Book of Mormon. I reported that I had read some of it. End of Mormon discussion. I was somewhat pleased with myself that I refrained from telling them all I knew about the Mormons, the books I have read, the history, the flaws in their sacred texts, you know, all the stuff that makes usenet sometimes very interesting. So it goes. I can still play these discussions out inside my own brain, that you may have surmised is still a very active place! Joel  SignatureJoel344 Ooooops, I tried to edit but I forgot one cannot edit these posts! Okay adding this: Let's say I only want to discuss whatever I want to discuss with Sue BillKatz, Justin, Flap, and ...... well you fill in the blank. Oh forgot ... MartyCollinsRDH! Sheesh, I almost forgot. Let's say I do not care what anyone else has to say. I do not even wan to read it. So why not simply block everyone else? Wouldn't that work? Joel That way, the people who want more get more while the people who wan less get less -- Joel34 carabelli Wrote: > Just a short note. I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years > Usenet was what it was. SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with th [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > carabelli We have under 10 active posters.... -- Administrato I could split the active posts and SMD posts into 2 different searches I have been thinking about doing this because DC has now a majority o SMD posts I dont have any plans on turning the gateway off. Too many of my user enjoy it. I do have an idea of how you feel. Most of the posts latel have been SMD related (Though I thought this would happen if I put i the gateway) Play pacman! Its a great way to be productive, especially at th office = -- Administrato The only way the gateway we will turn it off, is if we have a poll vot on DC, and whichever way the poll will swing, thats what we will do. have an idea about where it will swing. If there is one unhappy SM user over the gateway, then I dont look at it as a big deal, there i always going to be one. I have learned this with almost every hack have installed. But if there are people on SMD coming out of the woo work, then thats a different story -- Administrato Strange, there are so few active posters on DC I cant see how you guy take such offense. It sounds to me like you guys have fought hard fo your tight knit group, and you want to keep it that way. Remember on thing, usenet newsgroups are PUBLIC. Not private -- Administrato I am certain the whole thing is being misunderstood. Here is th DentalCom list: a. Joel344 (me!) b. Justin aka Administrator, aka Justin aka JShafer. c. Bill Katz d. Sue Madden aka Sue aka Sue Madden e. MartyCollinsRDH aka the hygienist. f. Letsconnect g. ummmmmmm. The rest are posting from sci.med.dentistry, not from here. How do I know? Every poster who connects from SMD has a "n/a" liste near the number of posts. Everyone posting from here either has number for the number of posts or is posting as anonymous. So blaming the traffic as being from DentalCom is an oversimplifaction Yeah sure, there are more responses to questions. But that is about it So why not simply block the people you do not want to hear from? So far, in my opinion, all the discussions have been pretty great! As for feeds, RSS, etc., if you turn on your cell phone and yo suddenly see Sue Madden's picture, well do not blame me! Joel Administrator Wrote: > Strange, there are so few active posters on DC I cant see how you guy > take such offense. It sounds to me like you guys have fought hard fo > your tight knit group, and you want to keep it that way. Remember on > thing, usenet newsgroups are PUBLIC. Not private -- Joel34 > I am certain the whole thing is being misunderstood. Here is the > DentalCom list: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The rest are posting from sci.med.dentistry, not from here. Actually, I'm posting from Google Groups... so it's really only a handful of people from DC... newsgroups were before my time... Right you are Letsconn ..... The image below shows the tip-off ..... To tell you the truth, I tend not to notice, but judge people more by the content of their posts than by the color of their ISP ..... Sounds like Martin Luther King a bit .... sorry! Jopel ** (IMAGE viewable by people of all persuasions). http://tinypic.com/ay3koz.jpg and . [image: http://tinypic.com/ay3koz.jpg] . -- Joel34 What's the advantage of DentalCom over the usenet scheme of things? I you look at this thread, http://dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=13016 which is, LEWIS WROTE, Veneer case to close diastema -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is my first post to this forum and thought I would share a venee case we completed to close a diastema between #8 & #9. This case show the results that can be obtained by proper planning, preparation an material selection. Any comments appreciated. END ...... Reply You will see a series of beautiful color photos illustrating a poin about dentistry. If you cannot see the photos then you are missin something interesting. Ths is what kind of got me -hooked on DentalCo .... - well that plus the folks here ...... of course the SMD folk are very super people too. Joe -- Joel34 > I could split the active posts and SMD posts into 2 different searches. I have been thinking about doing this because DC has now a majority of SMD posts. The monster gateway is Google's Groups which culls all kinds of newsfeeds, not DC. Cropping or splitting the searches won't do much since it's already "Googled" long before it gets to DC. Ok everybody, This gateway was originally my idea and from what I gather from severa posts, poignantly I fell at fault. The gateway was never intended to ac as an interloper onto SMD. Its purpose was to establish a connection t newsfeeds like SMD for those who couldn’t access public newsgroup like SMD because of different mitigating factors (like their ISP’ unwillingness to provide newsfeeds or simply a lack of expertise o setting up OE). Since DentalCom is principally a dental related site SMD was an obvious choice. It was never my intent to trespass onto what I assumed was a publi newsfeed. I also know Justin, the SysOp of DC (who did all the har work) and I know he’s very particular about keeping things well unde control on his board. FWIW, gateways are nothing new. Back in the early 80’s I was one o the coordinators of a group called Fido. Back then, users had to lo into BBS’s in order to read newsfeeds since there was no Interne per-se. There were only the hobbyists, universities and Arpanet. Th gateway that’s been established here allows regular HTML users t access your posts and believe me; this board has lots of readers (man don’t post, but readers nonetheless). This gateway also allows user to convert the newsfeeds into RSS and read/post from a cell phone o PDA if they wish. What the heck, I thought it was a good idea. Carabelli, Dr. Steve, I’m sorry if I’ve caused discourse. It wa never my intent to do so. It was my intent to bring in like minde individuals, but from what I’ve read, it hasn’t turned out tha way. I’ll be the first to sign off if I’m not welcome here. Bil -- billkat billkatz Wrote: > Ok everybody > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Bill FIDO! I forgot all about FIDO. Those really were the old days -- Administrato Hi Carabelli, I have tried SMD in the past, but I enjoy the more organized format that Justin has here. I found the news group format difficult to use. I am really sorry if this gateway has caused a feeling of invasion for the SMD folks. Personally, I was very excited to see all of these new people and hoping to have some good discussion!! I hope you can give this a little more time before you jump to negative conclusions. I think it may be just a matter of getting to know one another. Dcom really only has a few posters. We are all good people. IMHO, I don't think any of us wish to take over your discussion group or to push anyone out. We only want to be able to get to know you and take part in your discussions within this new format. (At least that is my perspective). I hope you do not leave SMD over this. If you have any suggestions that could help us with some sort of compromise that would keep you here and posting, that would be wonderful. If it is our style posting, what we post or whatever. I hate to see anyone leave a healthy discussion group because of a format change and/or new voices. Thank you if you can keep an open mind. Sincerely, Sue SignatureSue Sue, I see your viewpoint completly. And I can see theres. I dont wan them to leave SMD either. Guys, the only people from DC who regularl post are, joel, billkatz, myself, sue, and we see shad and amber o occasion. Thats about it. We do have a lot of lurkers. Around 90% o visitors just like to read -- Administrato Maybe people would like it if I posted under my real account, and no the administrator account.. -- jshafer81 Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems 2232 Solona St. Fort Worth, TX. 76117 (817) 909-4222 jshafer817@comcast.ne >Maybe people would like it if I posted under my real account, and not >the administrator account... Maybe it would be better if yous all quoted something of the post you're replying to so that we know what you're talking about. Reading lists of disjointed comments is boring and useless. Tom > Maybe it would be better if you all quoted something of the post > you're replying to so that we know what you're talking about. > > Reading lists of disjointed comments is boring and useless. How do I improve on that posting? Signature/ Amatus / > >>Maybe people would like it if I posted under my real account, and not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tom RE: SMD-Dentcom gateway How do I find SMD so I can see what it is that you are talking about? I am not sure how posts from Dcom are displayed at SMD. It will help me to understand the format concerns. Thanks, Sue SignatureSue Look inot http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry?lnk=li&hl=e - -- billkat billkatz Wrote: > Look inot http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.dentistry?lnk=li&hl=e > > -b Bill, That actually looks really neat! The last time I saw the Scime newsgroup it was in a different format. I like your link better Thanks -- Su An ALIAS for groups.google.com is www.deja.com. I tried posting from there yesterday. Oy vey! Sign in, sign out ....... that's why I hate it. W_B probably hates it too as each page contains plenty of ads on the right side. Each one, say MedKB has advantages, disadvantages. Justin's efforts (www.DentalCom.net) are by far the best on the 'net. Joel Joel SignatureJoel344 ONE PERSON'S OPINION .... Mine! I am pleased with the new response t sci.med.dentistry/MedKB/DentalCom.net/GoogleGroups Why? There are many new quality posters and many quality old posters Quality posters means real people posting about real issues. I vow t keep my promise not to respond to, or to bait, or otherwise tittilat people who are responding to "non-quality" issues. The non-qualit issues are also here. No one can "censor anything" without censorin too much. That was the decision by the U.S. Third Circuit Court i 2001. I agree. Sometimes we have to put up with more than we want to in order to avoid getting MUCH LESS than we need. Hey! Isn't this what a dental newsgroup is about? Aren't these ALL denta discussions? Now if I want to keep it like it was, its too simple. All's I have t do is to block everyone other than the three or six people that I wan to reply to. Its too simple. Or I can establish an e-mail listserv an its the same. Joel So what am I missing here -- Joel34 This is just a guess, but my guess is that the sudden flurry of ne posts, the huge gaggle of new posters is partially ..... a result o references to images within our posts. Yeah of course anyone ca include the URL of the image within one's post but some of the htt sites are stripping out references to images. www.DentalCom.net does not strip them out and offers a link to the htt site so people can view the images in real time. Others can view th image through a link. I will post the link two ways .. embedded within the body using [ i m ] tags and separately as a hyperlink. Here is an example: I think this is increasing traffic. Joel The embedded image ..... CEREC! (This is not available o nthe 'net). . [image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg] . The hyperlink to same: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jp -- Joel34 Hi JME! Youse wrote: The embedded image ..... CEREC! (This is not available o nthe 'net). [image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg] The hyperlink to same: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg What is the difference? Are you saying that putting square brackets and "img" around a link will shield it from being stripped from the various web servers? And while we are at it: how do you make square brakets on a Windoze Box? I tried holding down the Windoze key and typing "()" but all it did was launch eighteen nuclear rockets towards the planet "Ralph".... :-/ Sorry about that.... Thanks SP I can embed graphics (inline graphics) into DentalCom.net by enclosin the URL in what we call [ i m g ] tags without the spaces. If I do this the image appears while the individual is reading th text. This is done without the spaces, as example: [ i m g ] http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg [ / i m g ] and [image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg] . same code, the image gets rendered! . The reason why I have to put in the spaces is that if I do not, th software will render the image and replace the code with an image. No when this gets rendered at DentalCom.net is also gets CONVERTED to, [image: http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg] for distribution elsewhere. I am including some spaces as I am not sure if this will be rendered o not. [ i m a g e : http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg ] and finally, http://tinypic.com/b4au6o.jpg will return the hyperlink which is clickable in either DentalCom.net MedKB, Google, and elsewhere but not in sci.med.dentistry is one use Forte Free Agent. If one uses MS-Outlook, then it is clickable and th images are/are not rendered depending on which code one uses. The [ i m g ] tags are vBulletin tags. The "[" and "]" are the two keys found directly above the " quote mar and right between the "p" and the "\" Joe -- Joel34 I seperated the two searches on the site. Now its easier to tell th difference between the two.. There is SMD Topics, and DC Topics.. -- jshafer81 A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu Certified Technician Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems Fort Worth, TX. 817909422 Click on the attachment link at the bottom of the site. +------------------------------------------------------------------- |Filename: Untitled-3.jpg |Download: http://dentalcom.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=702 +------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Administrato A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu Certified Technicia Justin Shafe Onsite Dental System Fort Worth, TX 817909422 ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs > Click on the attachment link at the bottom of the site.. > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > |Filename: Untitled-3.jpg | > |Download: http://dentalcom.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=702| > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs) I'm quite curious how the link above ends up going to Microsoft at: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=321CD7A2-6A57-4C57-A8BD -DBF62EDA9671&displaylang=en The tinyurl link, I believe, is from one of joel's posts. Its redirects you to microsofts site. I know you can go to tinyurl.com, and make your own url. A url is like http://www.google.com. You can take a really long url, like the microsoft link, and shorten it down to something really small, and easy for people to remember, and the link wont take up so much space in a post. Thats what the tinyurl service does. Its free, and you can take a really long url and shorten it down. Its a redirector service. Signaturejshafer817 A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linux Certified Technician Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems Fort Worth, TX. 8179094222 Redirect! Go to www.tinyurl.com Enter the l-o-oo-o-o-oo-o-o-g URL. Hit GO! Copy the new URL. Joel . [image: http://tinypic.com/b9gifp.jpg] . SignatureJoel344 well thats just plain lame. > Redirect! > Go to www.tinyurl.com [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > . Tim Dixon Wrote: > well thats just plain lame > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Joel344's Profile: http://dentalcom.net/forum/member.php?userid=1 > > View this thread: http://dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=271 Then why did you ask -- Administrato A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu Certified Technicia Justin Shafe Onsite Dental System Fort Worth, TX 817909422 ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs > Tim Dixon Wrote: >> well thats just plain lame. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> > > Then why did you ask? I asked why there is a link that goes somewhere that isn't clearly understandable by the link itself. And so I think thats pretty lame. Just like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame. > I asked why there is a link that goes somewhere that isn't clearly > understandable by the link itself. And so I think that's pretty lame. > Just like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame. hear hear. I now filter out any posts coming from DC. Too hard to follow any conversations. Signature/ Amatus / > >> Tim Dixon Wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > understandable by the link itself. And so I think thats pretty lame. > Just like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame. Amatus Cremona Wrote: > > I asked why there is a link that goes somewhere that isn't clearl > > understandable by the link itself. And so I think that's pretty lame [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Just like I think your gateway to SMD/USENET threads are lame > >Thats fine. You guys really should stick to something thats "easy t follow"... DC might be too complex for your simple minds.. Web based posting to a newsgroup.. -- Administrato A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu Certified Technicia Justin Shafe Onsite Dental System Fort Worth, TX 817909422 ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs If you guys cant understand something simple as web based posting, o even something simple as tinyurl, a free redirector service that joe likes, then I dont really care if you like dentalcom or not. Your jus being pricks to joel, and to me, and your finding crazy reasons t start an argument I think you are lame I think I see why you guys hide out here. And why the amount of SM posts are following in the past few years You think people that spent this much time in school, could grasp eas concepts, or at least have the respect not to diss something jus because someone else likes it. But I guess not Next time you guys want to know what tinyurl is, go look it u yourself Glad I'm not your patient -- Administrato A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu Certified Technicia Justin Shafe Onsite Dental System Fort Worth, TX 817909422 ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get some really good discussion going It looks like the gateway has become a invasion for the SMD usenet group *If there was away that we could combine *our posts in a format that was not so *confusing, it may work.* There is no good reason to fight about it Justin. That only creates bad feelings and burns bridges. We have to be considerat of their veiwpoints, IMHO. -Su -- Su > Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get > some really good discussion going. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > of their veiwpoints, IMHO. > -Sue Why don't you all just leave USENET to be USENET. We don't care what you do on the web, but your running into USENET puritans who don't see it as you do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the net. Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people just like you, but instead of posting through news readers, we do it through a website. You need a bowl of cry baby soup. Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want. SignatureAdministrator A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linux Certified Technician Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems Fort Worth, TX. 8179094222 ' ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs) > Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people just > like you, but instead of posting through news readers, we do it through [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want. Hey think what you want, we will. Say what you want, we will. And all that .sig stuff, isn't impressive, and is only clutter, really! Tim Dixon Wrote: > > Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people > just [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that > ..sig stuff, isn't impressive, and is only clutter, really! Yeah, and when we patients walk into your office we REALLY are impressed with all the credentials hanging on your walls. Its actually my sig from dentaltown and dc. Its my sig, and I can use it if I want. I know a guy who has literally 25 different certifications. His signature would be so long you wouldnt be able to stand it. Of course, leave it up to someone to complain about a signature. I am going to do that next time I go to the dentist. =) Why do you got all this stuff up on the walls? Are you trying to impress me, doc? Thats why you need a bowl of cry baby soup. Shoot, at least I dont have to change the title of my name to get everybody to know what I do. SignatureAdministrator A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linux Certified Technician Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems Fort Worth, TX. 8179094222 ' ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs) Administrator Wrote: > Yeah, and when we patients walk into your office we REALLY are impressed > with all the credentials hanging on your walls. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Shoot, at least I dont have to change the title of my name to get > everybody to know what I do. Besides, If I just put up MCP, and RHCE, I doubt you would have any idea of what that is. SignatureAdministrator A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linux Certified Technician Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems Fort Worth, TX. 8179094222 ' ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs) > Administrator Wrote: >> Yeah, and when we patients walk into your office we REALLY are impressed [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Besides, If I just put up MCP, and RHCE, I doubt you would have any > idea of what that is. There you go again making assumptions. Maybe you should stick to moderating your own boards and we'll be just happy as pie to say goodbye. Justin I think it is best if you cool off and regroup right now, IMHO This will only get very ugly if you continue to talk about this while you are angry. You guys are only ticking each other off more an more and both of you are making less and less sense As DC, we cannot force ourselves on anyone. Perhaps we can physicall do so by creating a gateway... but we will never gain acceptance or b able to have any civil conversation by FORCING our way in Justin you have control over Dcom... but not over SMD. If this turn into a battle there is no way this gateway will work to increase D registration. JMHO *But dang. I am often wrong about this stuff.* Some people LOV conflict.... I don't.. Just my 2 cents Su -- Su > Tim Dixon Wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Shoot, at least I dont have to change the title of my name to get > everybody to know what I do. You are assuming I am a dentist, which I am not. That aside, I have been a reg in this group since 1994. For all you claim to be doing for dentistry you sure have a bad attitude about dentists in general. You should consider doing something else with your "credentials". Tim Dixon Wrote: > > Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to ge > > some really good discussion going [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > yo > do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the net. Then ignore the userbase... I dont care what you do. We are people jus like you, but instead of posting through news readers, we do it throug a website. You need a bowl of cry baby soup Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want -- Administrato A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu Certified Technicia Justin Shafe Onsite Dental System Fort Worth, TX 817909422 ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs > Tim Dixon Wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa we'll post here if we want to... WHO CARES LAMER????????????????? Doesn't mean we have to like you or your LAME method of doing it. Tim Dixon Wrote: > > Tim Dixon Wrote: > >> > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > method > of doing it.I am only keeping this up because I my users like it. I could honestly care less what you guys discuss. I dont read any other thread relating to dentistry. I am not a dentist. I dont care if you like your way of doing things. Just because you like using usenet the old fashoined way doesnt mean your stupid. As a pc tech, I still have to use a command line interface, and I often prefer it over a mouse. Its faster for me. But to go out and call web based posting lame, is just ridiculous. And when I say my user base I am talking about users who use dentalcom to post. The same guys who once used newsgroup software or other ways to post. Suddently you dont like their new way of posting. I dont care if you guys dont like dc. To me, it just seems that you either like your old way, or your stubborn and ignorant. Do you treat people this way face to face? I wonder.... There is a poll vote on dc to keep the gateway or not. Your vote is welcomed, but registration is required. =) SignatureAdministrator A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linux Certified Technician Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems Fort Worth, TX. 8179094222 ' ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs) > Tim Dixon Wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > There is a poll vote on dc to keep the gateway or not. Your vote is > welcomed, but registration is required. Oh boy i'm impressed, a PC technician who uses a command prompt. How about a young network admin who was nice enough to create a site fo free out of his own spare time at the request of other dentists who liv in other parts of the united states DC isnt free, and I pay for it. I dont charge anything to dentists wh want to use it. I promise to let anyone talk about anything, as long a its not spam. This was a problem for us at one point in time, and it the reasion why dc was created I even added an arcade, so guys who know eachother over the internet could play eachother if they wanted too. Which was something else know other dentists wanted to do on other sites Other people can at least show appreciation, but not everybody I guess I am at a loss. Why is it hard to follow the conversations? Its very easy for me. With dentalcom, and xnews software And honestly were not "combining" anything. Look at the site. Your par of the site is seperate from ours -- Administrato A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu Certified Technicia Justin Shafe Onsite Dental System Fort Worth, TX 817909422 ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs This is exactly the kind of crap that drove me off DT. >Tim Dixon Wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Usenet is public, get used to it. We will post here if we want. ``````````````````````` Stephen (What's a temporary?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >This is exactly the kind of crap that drove me off DT. What ? the crybaby soup ? Prolly not seasoned very well. <VBSEG> -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com W_B Wrote: > On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:20:52 GMT, Dr. Steve <DRSTEVE@HAMMER.COM>wrote > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Take out the G'RBAG > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Well perhaps Dr. Steve will now be leaving SMD That's too bad, but his choice -- Su REPLY Actually most men claim they have no idea what binaries are either yet those binary newsgroups are HUGE!~ C'Mon Sue, fess up! Joel And seriously, I appreciate any lesson in usenet netiquette that yo are willing to share. Thanks Tim & Bill for explaining binary. I had n idea what you were talking about. We (Dcom) are a small group. We should be able to work within you expected boundaries without remaining PITAs (I hope!) Su -- Joel34 Joel344 Wrote: > REPLY > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Joel, Now don't making trouble with your binary jokes. Who owns Sci med anyway? Thanks -Sue SignatureSue The human beings own it ...... Each ISP who so desires ... or so desired during the past 20 year installed a network news (nntp) server. As they get messages, fo example this one, the messages are relayed all around the world, serve to server. We access from each server. This was the original meaning of decentralized computing which wa mandated to avoid a crippling (nuclear) blow to a centralized syste located say, in Washington DC ...... from the Soviet Union or someon else! Locally, bulletin boards served similar function. These were all tex based which is why the tradition continues. Joel Sue Wrote: > Joel, Now don't making trouble with your binary jokes. Who owns Sci me > anyway? Thanks -Su -- Joel34 Sue Wrote: > Joel, Now don't making trouble with your binary jokes. Who owns Sci me > anyway? Thanks -Sue YousNet. Yous, Mees and Everybodyelses who reads it -- billkat billkatz Wrote: > YousNet. Yous, Mees and Everybodyelses who reads it. So in other words Sci Med is public domain, not private like Dentaltown. So anyone can access and use it. Our gateway is just a different avenue for accessing SMD than through the usenet. Is this correct? -Sue SignatureSue Yes this is true. The only thing that can happen is that someone can claim you are harrassing them or something but they have to send their driver's license in or something ... the details escape me ..... Joe -- Joel34 I heard you can get kicked out for lying but no one ever explained how they determine who is lying and who is not -- Joel34 Sue UseNet is like asking "what is the internet?" UseNet feeds vary fro anything to possibly everything that one can discuss. Nobody own UseNet and everybody owns UseNet, so yes, in a way, it is public domai as long as those posting understand that copyrights and intellectua property should be respected Here's some info on UseNet - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usene And here's a sampling of daily traffic <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=1><TBODY><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">4.5 'GB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte)</TD><TD>1996-12</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD>< /TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right"> GB</TD><TD>1997-07</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1 GB</TD><TD>1998-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">2 GB</TD><TD>1999-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">8 GB</TD><TD>2000-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">18 GB</TD><TD>2001-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">25 GB</TD><TD>2002-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">49 GB</TD><TD>2003-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">96 GB</TD><TD>2004-01</TD><TD>Altopia.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.30 'TB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabyte)</TD><TD>2004-09-30</TD><TD>Octanews.net</ TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.2 TB</TD><TD>2004-11-30</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.3 TB</TD><TD>2004-12-31</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.3 TB</TD><TD>2005-01-01</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.3 TB</TD><TD>2005-01-01</TD><TD>Newsreader.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.6 TB</TD><TD>2005-01-31</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.6 TB</TD><TD>2005-02-01</TD><TD>Newsreader.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.8 TB</TD><TD>2005-02-28</TD><TD>Octanews.net</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">1.8 TB</TD><TD>2005-03-08</TD><TD>Newsreader.com</TD></TR><TR><T style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">2.00 TB</TD><TD>2005-03-11</TD><TD>Variou sources</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE -- billkat billkatz Wrote: > Sue, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > REPLY. Taks for the info Bill. Is Sci med a moderated newsgroup? *::Moderated and unmoderated newsgroups::* A minority of newsgroups are *moderated*. That means that messages submitted by readers are not distributed to USENET, but instead are emailed to the *moderators* of the newsgroup, for approval. Moderated newsgroups have rules called *charters*. Moderators are persons whose job is to ensure that messages that the readers see in newsgroups, conform to the charter of the newsgroup. Typically, moderators are appointed in the proposal for the newsgroup, and changes of moderators follow a succession plan. The job of the moderator is to receive submitted articles, review them, and inject approved articles so that they could properly propagate worldwide. Such articles must bear the Approved: header line. Unmoderated newsgroups form the majority of USENET newsgroups, and messages submitted by readers for unmoderated newsgroups, are immediately propagated for everyone to see. Creation of moderated newsgroups often becomes a hot subject of controversy, bringing up valid issues regarding censorship, vs. the desire of a subset of users to form an 'Intentional community' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community). ['edit' (http://tinyurl.com/bpcbv)] * * SignatureSue Nevermind. I can see that Sci med is unmoderated. Thank you for th link. -Su -- Su About ... Creation of moderated newsgroups often becomes a hot subject of controversy, bringing up valid issues regarding censorship, vs. the desire of a subset of users to form an Intentional community. REPLY Sci.med.dentistry: UNMODERATED! SignatureJoel344 Tim Dixon Wrote: > > Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get > > some really good discussion going. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > you > do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the net. Hi Tom, If we posted through Usenet would we still be considered invaders? Is this an issue of how we are accessing your usenet group or is it the content of our posts that you do not like. I would like to take part in SMD Usenet on occasion as I think there is some good discussion there. I apologize for Justin's demeanor. He has worked hard to get Dcom off the ground and I think he is just very disappointed that this gateway is viewed as an invasion by you folks. I can see that you have not been attacking Justin or any of us... you only wish to continue to frequent usenet without a bunch of posts coming in out of order. That is perfectly understandable! Justin and Joel were trying to explain a way that can be done. I am sorry it turned into an argument. Rather than giving up already, perhaps you may consider some of the positivies this could bring for those of you on the usenet group... IF we can alleviate the positnf format issues. For example, one advantage of Dentalcom is that you can post pictures here. I am not sure if you can do that at SMD. IMHO, We really need you guys. (I know you do not need us). But perhaps we can add something that you currently do not have? Please think about it some more. Sincerely, -Sue SignatureSue > Tim Dixon Wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > Sincerely, > -Sue Sue I don't have anything against you, or DC, be that Washington or otherwise. However, it' apparent to most of us, that you all could use some lessons in usenettiquette. And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD, and we like it that way. > Is this an issue of how we are accessing your Usenet > group or is it the content of our posts that you do > not like. If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars have virtually disappeared from SMD since DC came around. Partly due to weird stuff Joel brings along. partly due to the Hg and kilowatt folks who follow him around, partly due to DC filling SMD with posts that would require us to constantly mark about 500 already posts as "unread" so that we could strain out the message the DCfolks are responding to. We have no idea what is being discussed. I find it easier to just block any messages which come directly from DC. No offense against any of the folk there. I like Joel, I would probably like the rest of the DC folk IRL. I just don't have the interest to chase through all those steps to figure out what is being discussed. Signature/ Amatus / > >> Tim Dixon Wrote: [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > some lessons in usenettiquette. And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD, > and we like it that way. Amatus Cremona Wrote: > > Is this an issue of how we are accessing your Usene > > group or is it the content of our posts that you d [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > and we like it that way > >As long as we hit the quote button everything works for us, and you guy know what were talking about As far as posts constantly needing to be marked as read, I dont hav that problem with x-news. Or the news software my buddy used This place is public, if anyone wants to post here they should be abl to. If others dont like it dont read it. This is why dc has an ignor feature, but we dont use it. This place went downhill long before one person could cause it. ITs been going downhill for years now, I have seen the chart. SignatureAdministrator A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linux Certified Technician Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems Fort Worth, TX. 8179094222 ' ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs) "Administrator" <Administrator@DentalCom.net> wrote ...................... > This place went downhill long before one person could cause it. > ITs been going downhill for years now, I have seen the chart. > > -- > Administrator Nope, actually it was getting better. It started a little shy of nine months ago. carabelli > "Administrator" <Administrator@DentalCom.net> wrote ...................... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > carabelli Leave it to an IT guy to judge quality solely by numbers. T Tony Bad Wrote: > > "Administrator" <ADMINISTRATOR@DENTALCOM.NET>wrot > ..................... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > T My favorite userbase is the one on DentalCom, we have the smallest o all the numbers, but at least were not declining Ok. Last post Grrr -- Administrato A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linu Certified Technicia Justin Shafe Onsite Dental System Fort Worth, TX 817909422 ' (http://tinyurl.com/5jhcs > Tony Bad Wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > -- > Administrator The ratio of quality posts / total posts was increasing. And, probably the total number of quality posts increased also. carabelli Amatus wrote (quotes) "If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars hav virtuall disappeared from SMD since DC came around. REPLY. I cannot compare because I have no idea who the regulars wer or are on SMD "I find it easier to just block any messages which come directl from DC." REPLY. Certainly understandable. It was difficult for me to relaiz this because people have beem responding to my posts. Therefore I ha little idea as to the confusion you were/are dealing with "However, it' apparent to most of us, that you all could use som lessons in usenettiquette. REPLY. How to we get lessons? What are your rules "And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD, and we like it that way. REPLY. I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean that you do not allow anyone to post on other newsgroups, dentalbords etc. If tha is the case, how in the world can you control that -- Su > Amatus wrote (quotes): > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > not allow anyone to post on other newsgroups, dentalbords etc. If that > is the case, how in the world can you control that? Sue, Herein lies some of the problems. You mixed comments by me and comments by Amatus as though you were adressing the same person. This is what is driving us nuts. I am sure it wasn't intentional, but this is a problem nonetheless. I can't comment on your questions to Amatus, just like he can't/shouldn't comment to those you made to me. That was lesson one for usenettiquette. As for Binaries, they (images, video, other file types) are not allowed on this Usenet newsgroup. There are binary newsgroups where you can post binary content, but this is strictly text based. Its not us that restrict the content, but rather the system of UseNet. Why not just get a news reader like Forte Free Agent, or Outlook, or Netscape, or some other reader and follow news the way it was meant to be used. Just because you can do something doesn't make it right. “partly due to the Hg and kilowatt folks who follow him around, partly due to DC filling SMD with posts that would require us t constantly mark about 500 already posts as "unread" so that we coul strain out the message the DCfolks are responding to. We have no ide what is being discussed. I find it easier to just block any message which come directly from DC†Amatus, Are you telling us that DentalCom is posting messages that your reade recognizes as already read? I’m asking because groups like Google an readers like OE show them as new. If so, please explain. There may b something that can be done from this end to resolve the problem. Mos if not all newsgroup readers are picking up new messages without havin to mark 500 as unread. Tim, No binaries are posted via DC. Hyperlinks are what’s been posted an there’s nothing wrong with linking an image. Just tell you newsreader to not open hyperlinks if you don’t want to see th picture. Binaries, no! Please, give it a rest. To everyone else, I really can’t see why some are genuinely so upset about posts fro DC aside for the appearance of being interlopers onto what is *totally public newsgroup*. On average, fifteen to twenty posts ar coming out per day, which isn’t much at all for a newsgroup. I’ not even going to address “usenettiquetteâ€; that’s just a load o bullsh*t because the same people who are complaining about it don’ even bother to trim off their posts. In most cases, the solution is simple. Elect a moderator and post som rules. Nobody should be expected to guess what the guidelines of thi group are if they’re not made available. BTW, the newsfeeds coming t and from this website, Google, healthcareforums.org, dailydentistry.com med-help.info, sci.tech-archive.net, health-related-chat.com, etc, etc etc, etc are all FULLY NNTP COMPLIANT. Good grief -- billkat PS~ I am trying to figure out which technique is easier, slicker, more convenient, better for communicating .... Forte Fre Agent (usenet) or DentalCom.Net (http). Joel Hello! I intended to answer the following miscommunications, but by the time I got to the top I figured there was no use! Anyone who looks at DentalCom realizes that posts coming from "outside: have the poster martked as Guest, and the number of posts is n/a. Its easy to discriminate between posters from DentalCom and elsewhere. That said, it is not the DentalCom people causing the traffic. Oh except for me maybe. I also post and read through Forte Free Agent and Deja to see how it looks elsewhere. Joel Here are the people "clogging up sci.med.dentistry" August 1 throug August 28: ** means DentalCom.net posters, primarily. [321] **Joel344 <joeleichen@yahoo.com> 13.1% [213] W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> 8.7% [174] StovePipe <stove99pipeTRA@SHHyahoo.ca> 7.1% [120] Flap <fullosseousflap@gmail.com> 4.9% [110] Dr Steve <nospam@home.net> 4.5% [80] **Sue <s.c.madden@comcast.net> 3.3% [78] *(?)*letsconnect <letsconnect@myway.com> 3.2% [57] Mark & Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> 2.3% [56] **billkatz <billthekat@hotmail.com> 2.3% [48] **Administrator <Administrator@DentalCom.net> 2.0% [44] shadlewis <shadlewis@gmail.com> 1.8% [43] LadyLollipop <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> 1.8% [40] Robert Morien <PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com> 1.6% [37] Vaughn <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> 1.5% [32] Tim Dixon <timgdixon-no-spam@cox.net> 1.3% [32] Dr Steve <"Dr> 1.3% [31] Amatus Cremona <leavemealone@GDAE.com> 1.3% [30] The Webby <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.co...> 1.2% [29] Alexander Vasserman DDS <purple543210@yahoo.ca> 1.2% [28] Dr. Steve <Drsteve@hammer.com> 1.1% [28] Steven Fawks <tuthjockey@earthlink.net> 1.1% [27] George Chatzipetros <chpetros@hotmail.com> 1.1% [26] Bill <dentaldoc@hotmail.com> 1.1% [23] Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinnonsense@earthlink.net> 0.9% [23] NOYB <noyb@noyb.com> 0.9% Here are the topics "clogging up sci.med.dentistry," same time period! [220] Rod Kurthy's Deep Bleaching Technique 8.96% [99] Sensitive - Pain - Root Canal 4.03% [96] dentalcom.net - smd gateway 3.91% [89] JEWS AND PHOTOGRAPHY 3.62% [70] Patterson Dental: Defrauding Investors? 2.85% [70] Connecticut Voters Say Ban Dental Mercury* 2.85% [67] Hilary Duff's New Teeth 2.73% [66] DentalCom.Net test 2.69% [53] This Commerical Building Is Perfect For A Den... 2.16% [52] Stuff About Dinosaurs I Never Knew ..... 2.12% BillKatz wrote, To everyone else, I really can’t see why some are genuinely so upset about posts fro DC aside for the appearance of being interlopers onto what is *totally public newsgroup*. On average, fifteen to twenty posts ar coming out per day, which isn’t much at all for a newsgroup. I’ not even going to address “usenettiquetteâ€; that’s just a load o bullsh*t because the same people who are complaining about it don’ even bother to trim off their posts. In most cases, the solution is simple. Elect a moderator and post som rules. Nobody should be expected to guess what the guidelines of thi group are if they’re not made available. BTW, the newsfeeds coming t and from this website, Google, healthcareforums.org, dailydentistry.com med-help.info, sci.tech-archive.net, health-related-chat.com, etc, etc etc, etc are all FULLY NNTP COMPLIANT. Good grief! Amatus Cremona Guest Super Mario Mushroom Champion! Home Run Champion! Excite Bike Champion! Posts: n/a Re: dentalcom.net - smd gateway -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get > some really good discussion going. No one on SMD objects to the posters from DC, we just cannot follo postings the same way, so the conversations make no sense to us. If you want to converse, just log in to the Usenet like the rest of us do. Why is there a need to "combine" things when the system is fine as it is? -- / Amatus Cremona Guest Super Mario Mushroom Champion! Home Run Champion! Excite Bike Champion! Posts: n/a Re: dentalcom.net - smd gateway -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Is this an issue of how we are accessing your Usenet > group or is it the content of our posts that you do > not like. If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars have virtually disappeared from SMD since DC came around. Partly due to weird stuff Joel brings along. partly due to the Hg and kilowatt folks who follow him around, partly due to DC filling SMD with posts that would require us to constantly mark about 500 already posts as "unread" so that we could strain out the message the DCfolks are responding to. We have no idea what is being discussed. I find it easier to just block any messages which come directly from DC. No offense against any of the folk there. I like Joel, I would probably like the rest of the DC folk IRL. I just don't have the interest to chase through all those steps to figure out what is being discussed. -- / Amatus You have an interesting view...I see it differently. It seems to me that one or two people have taken it upon themselves to hijack this group and shape it into something they want it to be. I don't like it, as it seems to have evolved into a mirror of other sites I have avoided over the years. You may see that as lame, but I see your recent changes here as invasive and don't quite grasp why you feel it is the burden of those here long before you to work to grasp the changes we neither wanted or asked for. Don't worry, in a few weeks all of the lame regulars who frequented this group will have lost interest and vanish and then you and Joel can do what ever you want in your new sandbox. I also can't help but note that you have a rather low opinion of those in the dental profession...I hope when working at your job with Onsite Dental Systems you are able to mask that little chip on your shoulder. T Tony-- It seems to me that in the past few weeks the posting volume has gone from manageable to insane. I know I'm reading less, not more of the postings here. Maybe things will settle down again, but right now I can't cope. Steve -- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 Amatus wrote (quotes): "If you pay attention, you would notice that the regulars have virtually disappeared from SMD since DC came around." REPLY. I cannot compare because I have no idea who the regulars were or are on SMD. "I find it easier to just block any messages which come directly from DC." REPLY. Certainly understandable. It was difficult for me to relaize this because people have beem responding to my posts. Therefore I had little idea as to the confusion you were/are dealing with "However, it' apparent to most of us, that you all could use some lessons in usenettiquette." REPLY. How to we get lessons? What are your rules? "And no Binaries are not allowed in SMD, and we like it that way." REPLY. I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean that you do not allow anyone to post on other newsgroups, dentalbords etc. If that is the case, how in the world can you control that? SignatureJoel344 Tim Dixon Wrote: > Sue > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > b > used. Just because you can do something doesn't make it right. Tim You are right. It was not intentional. I made a mistake. Thanks fo point this out. I think our group of normally friendly D-commies are acting a bit hoit toity myself (sorry guys, but you know I do not hesitate to be honest) We descended upon your SMD usenet group in an effort to increase ou readership and allo ourlseves more discussion Since we are the invaders, I think we are the ones who need to be ver respectful of your concerns. I for one am going to try very hard to be judicious in my posts that g to SMD .. try to be very considerate of their space and limit my number of posts so as NOT to clog up their site This thread being the exception, because this is a thread here we ar at least discussing SMD's concerns. And seriously, I appreciate any lesson in usenet netiquette that yo are willing to share. Thanks Tim & Bill for explaining binary. I ha no idea what you were talking about We (Dcom) are a small group. We should be able to work within you expected boundaries without remaining PITAs (I hope! Su -- Su >Tim Dixon Wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >Sincerely, >-Sue You know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I could have sworn that it has been mentioned that no regulars from SMD dislike the regul;ars from DC. The problem is that in Usenet, your posting show up with no easy way to follow what the heck is being said to whom about what. Even your brilliant administrator seems not to know how to add his line of text on a new line from the message he is responding to. Justin's last message got partially buried under the copied text line of the poster he was responding to. You folk are all fine. But,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I am not going to hang out at your dear little web-site. I have no need. I can work a list of NG's on OE or in Agent in moments, get all the new messages, figure out what is being said, reply if I want to, and get offline. I can do this in short little bursts f Usenet activity. Why not just log into newsgroups in a normal fashion and explore the differences? ``````````````````````` Stephen (What's a temporary?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What Steve says is correct. I have tried to follow threads on several different formats. May I suggest this? 1. Unquote the DentalCom quotes. It starts with [ q u o t e = S u e ] without the spaces. So I change it to Sue said, And when its not clear who said what, its best to delete al lthat and just say what you want to say ........ Any other suggestions .....? Joel >>Tim Dixon Wrote: >>> > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] >Stephen (What's a temporary?) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >What Steve says is correct. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Any other suggestions .....? How about this idea? Log on with a news group server and access the news group the way it is supposed to be accessed? ``````````````````````` Stephen (What's a temporary?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >How about this idea? > >Log on with a news group server and access the news group the way it >is supposed to be accessed? To tell you the truth, that is how I post in general. I also post through the web just to see how it looks over there. Joel I agree SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | How about this idea? | [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | Stephen (What's a temporary?) | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Me too. Vaughn, would you say that the amateur bands were meant to be accessed through continuous wave (C.W.)? Of course not! Just send Morse Code like the am bands (jam bands) were meant to be accessed. Joel Gotta go......... my telegraph key is clickin' ....... Joel >I agree Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it is step backwards. Plus, it is moderated and restricted. >Me too. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >>I agree ``````````````````````` Stephen (What's a temporary?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The alternative is to post through a newsreader. DentalCom does not replace sci.med.dentistry, it enhances sci.med.dentistry. I do not think it is moderated however. Joel >Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it >is step backwards. Plus, it is moderated and restricted. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Stephen (What's a temporary?) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joel's Post: The alternative is to post through a newsreader. DentalCom does not replace sci.med.dentistry, it enhances sci.med.dentistry. I do not think it is moderated however. Joel On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:55:15 GMT, Dr. Steve <Drst...@hammer.com> wrote: >Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it >is step backwards. Plus, it is moderated and restricted. >On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 03:38:25 -0400, Joel M. Eichen ><joeleic...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>Me too. >>Vaughn, would you say that the amateur bands were >>meant to be accessed through continuous wave (C.W.)? Of course not! >>Just send Morse Code like the am bands (jam bands) were >>meant to be accessed. >>Joel >>Gotta go......... my telegraph key is clickin' ....... >>Joel >>On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:34:01 -0400, "Roy Brown" >><roybr...@sympatico.caNADA> wrote: >>>I agree >``````````````````````` >Stephen (What's a temporary?) Flap's Reply: Joel, DentalCom.net is restricted and certainly moderated. Justin Shafer, the Administrator can modify and/or delete whatever he wishes. When Justin, (the Administrator), and I had a disagreement after I helped set up the site, he banned me and deleted all of my previous posts. Just the facts..... Flap http://flapsblog.com Flap Wrote: > Joel's Post: > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > http://flapsblog.com LOL, Flap lets hear all the facts. Did I not warn you if you eve posted on DC again under flap, that I would remove all your posts, onl because the first time I warned you, you kept on posting???? You go warned, and when you tried to take another inch, I did exactly what told you I would do.... Put your username on banned status, and remov all your threads. You would think you would just post under a differen name but no you wanted to test my limits. Flap and I were partners... I did 90% of the work.. The bigges contribution flap did, was name the site, and spam people. He name most of the older forums, but the setup was almost exactly lik dentaltowns, because the list he went off of to name forums, was fro dentaltown. I did everything else, and we started the site because d removed all the posts with the name israel in it. I have paid fo everthing, and I setup the bulletin board, the hosting, countles hacks, etc, etc, etc. It took about 2-3 weeks, and that was just th beginning. I still post on dental town, and I told him from the begining that if make a forum based site, that I dont want to piss of anyone fro dentaltown, in such a way that I get banned. At the time I had aroun 1,000 posts, and I didnt want to loose the ability to keep posting Which I still have. He lost his ability because he was banned, an after that he didnt care what happened to me. He kept stealing images from a post on dentaltown, from a guy who is a advocate for cerec. I think he sells it. He kept using this mans images and then drawing on them, and talked about how horrible it was. He sai he saw stuff like this all the time. This dentist asked me to remove the images, and I knew that I didn really have the image on my site legally, and since everything is in m name I might be liable. This man is friends with the owner of DT, an besides this he seems like a nice guy to me, nicer then you greg. Flap always had his way when it came to any comprimise. And this ma was getting pretty pissed off. I called a local dentist for advice o what to do. Dr. H told me to tell flap to piss off, and to get his ow images since he claims to do this all the time. That was good enough for me, so when I called flap to politely persuad him to remove the images and get his own, he told me that I have tw options and that I need to think about it. Option 1: Sell dentalcom to him, and perhaps he can pay me to work o it...... Hmmm. Option 2: He is going to use the images. I told him I would think about it and call him back shortly..... I went out for around 30 minutes to relax, enjoy the day, breath th air, and come up with option #3... Since I devoted most of the time, all of the money, and everything is in my name... Then I will just ignore flap. I told him not to post again, but I left his account open, so that he could be tempted.... A test if you will... Well he was tempted, and posted under his name, I told him if he did it again, I would ban the account, and remove all the posts.... He apologized.... and I dont hate him/you. But I havent forgotten how much effort I put into this site, only because you called me and asked me to do it. I put tons of energy and time into the site, and you couldnt even do me this one favor. In fact, I think you tried using it as a way into manipulating me into selling you the site. I am not the only one who though you topped it all off by insulting the person who gave you a site for peanuts.... And by the way you still havent created a forum yet. Just a blog, and blogs are easy to create.... Now I just keep dentalcom open for a few people... I just cant seem to take it down. My favorite thing is a friendly competition in the arcade... Which flap cannot stand, I am sure. Flap, stop talking about yourself in the third person... its just plain weird. Who does that? Justin thinks that the internet is very cool. Justin also thinks that katrina will be expensive. Justin should consider about referring to his own ideas in the first person.... =) Signaturejshafer817 A+ N+ MCP2000 Microsoft Certified Professional and Red Hat Linux Certified Technician Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems Fort Worth, TX. 8179094222 >Flap Wrote: >> Joel's Post: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Joel >LOL, Flap lets hear all the facts. Did I not warn you if you ever >posted on DC again under flap, that I would remove all your posts, only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >all your threads. You would think you would just post under a different >name but no you wanted to test my limits. You know what, the more I hear about DC the less impressed I become. You DC folk who want to participate with SMD, get a *%#$*ng newsreader. ``````````````````````` Stephen (What's a temporary?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steve, Make a list ,,,,,,, there are exactly three people posting from DentalCom. That's it! Everythign else is originating from SMD or a spin off. Joel >You know what, the more I hear about DC the less impressed I become. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Stephen (What's a temporary?) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Joel, as you know I just lurk and occasionally ask a question. But there has to be a lot of others outside smd posting. The reason I say this is as an example today I downloaded over a 100 posts. SMD didn't have that many post during the whole time I found the site. I personally like it the other way. There are way more flame wars going on lately and the regulars who posted here are not anymore or are just a little. Just my opinion but I think this is an over kill of messages. UM MOM Susan > Steve, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>Stephen (What's a temporary?) >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Hi Joel, as you know I just lurk and occasionally ask a question. But there >has to be a lot of others outside smd posting. The reason I say this is as >an example today I downloaded over a 100 posts. SMD didn't have that many >post during the whole time I found the site. REPLY Me too! It was a little flame war between Flap and Justin. Flap was posting from smd while Justin was posting from DentalCom. We hope its over. On a personal note, I am recalling when Jan Drew and I went at each others throats, and saner posters just had to bear with it for a bit. Joel > I personally like it the other >way. There are way more flame wars going on lately and the regulars who >posted here are not anymore or are just a little. Just my opinion but I >think this is an over kill of messages. TRUE! > UM MOM Susan >> Steve, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>>Stephen (What's a temporary?) >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >On a personal note, I am recalling when Jan Drew and I went at each >others throats, and saner posters just had to bear with it for a bit. > >Joel Nah, we used the kill filter option. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >Joel's Post: > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >Joel, DentalCom.net is restricted REPLY "Restricted?" No Jewish people? I bet the Chinese food isn't that good at DentalCom then. >and certainly moderated. Justin >Shafer, the Administrator can modify and/or delete whatever he wishes. > >When Justin, (the Administrator), and I had a disagreement after I >helped set up the site, he banned me and deleted all of my previous >posts. Oh, I never hold it against anyone who gets banned ........ Joel >Just the facts..... > >Flap > >http://flapsblog.com >Joel's Post: > >The alternative is to post through a newsreader. > >DentalCom does not replace sci.med.dentistry, it enhances >sci.med.dentistry. ?????????? Enhances? ``````````````````````` Stephen (What's a temporary?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Joel's Post: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Stephen (What's a temporary?) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Through in-line photos ........ Dr. Steve Wrote: > Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it > is step backwards. Plus, it is moderated and restricted. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Stephen (What's a temporary?) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How can I moderate posts that come from usenet? I can remove them, but it would be completly obvious. The only person who has ever been banned and his posts removed from the dentalcom forums is flap. And it was after enough warnings that I assumed he just didnt care about his posts... Either this, or he was just testing me out, to see how far he could go. Not very far. Either way, he acts like it wasnt fair. Give me a break flap. It must be nice to sit here and complain about something, and act like its just factual. You knew your posts were going to be removed if you crossed the line, because I warned you. Now they are gone and you sit and complain. Sigh! SignatureAdministrator Water over the dam ,,,,,,,, not important ........ Joel >You knew your posts were going to be removed if you crossed the line, >because I warned you. Now they are gone and you sit and complain. > >Sigh! Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post: How can I moderate posts that come from usenet? I can remove them, but it would be completly obvious. The only person who has ever been banned and his posts removed from the dentalcom forums is flap. And it was after enough warnings that I assumed he just didnt care about his posts... Either this, or he was just testing me out, to see how far he could go. Not very far. Either way, he acts like it wasnt fair. Give me a break flap. It must be nice to sit here and complain about something, and act like its just factual. You knew your posts were going to be removed if you crossed the line, because I warned you. Now they are gone and you sit and complain. Sigh! -- Administrator Flap's Post: Justin tell the truth and stop fabricating stories. It is obvious to all here at SMD that you are attempting to hihack SMD. It was obvious from previous posts to long time usenet members what a jerk you really are. Why don't you delete the SMD post feed at dentalcom and try to make it on your own, if you can. Oh and explain to everyone (as if they care) your offer to sell me dentalcom.net and when I wouldn't agree to your price then you as the Administrator deleted all of my posts. Flap http://flapsblog.com Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > SMD. > Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P. Signatureletsconnect Previous Post: Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post: > Flap's Post: > Justin tell the truth and stop fabricating stories. > It is obvious to all here at SMD that you are attempting to hihack > SMD. Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P. -- letsconnect Flap's Reply: Then he should do us all a favor here at SMD and disable it. It is very difficult to follow some of the posts originating at dentalcom. The SMD natives are restless. If Joel and Sue wish to post at SMD they can do so in other ways. Flap http://flapsblog.com Flap, nobody is fabricating stories and not one person here will validate anything you say. Your so full of sh*t it stinks. By the way, its good to hear you speak in the first person. letsconnect is right, just last night I wanted to remove the gateway, but I didnt. Hell last night I thought about taking dentalcom down, but I didnt. And I dont think I will. I just dont seem to be able to do it. It's like some curse that I hold you responcible for. I am not going to put up with your lies flap. Every single thing I said was 100% true, and you know it. Would you like to start off by finding a part of my story thats a lie??? You didnt in your last responce, because every single thing I said was true... Ask joel, bill, and sue, and they will tell you the same. I dont lie, and I didnt lie in my last post. I didnt fabricate anything. You just so full of it and embaressed right now, that you will say anything to hide it. I know you, I bet I know you better then anyone here. I spent 2 months with you almost everyday talking on the phone. I thought you were a nice guy, but I was wrong. I knew it when you wanted to use the morman thread on dt, and try to to convince others to talk about it on dentalcom. That makes me think that you dont have a lot of spirituality, and a lack of morality. And you havent changed. Countless times I have been hoping for onde day to see you a better person, and maybe even apologize. Then I would put your posts back up. But you havent changed, and your still the same a**hole. Thats why I havent invited you back to be co-partner with me, even though I have thought about it over 100 times, and even written the pm, and email to invite you over. Everytime I do I wait 30 minutes before I hit send, and everytime I remember what a prick you are, and how you will do ANYTHING, for your own benefit. Joel seems to like you, but joel seems to like everybody. Joel has been the main reason for the past year that I keep dentalcom up. I have never met a nicer guy then joel. Anyone who dislikes him, or puts him down is just a total as*hole, just like you. AND BY THE WAY. I READ THE POST ABOUT HOW YOU GUYS WERE MAKING FUN OF SOMEONE WHO LOVES TO BLEACH TEETH. aBOUT HIS WEIGHT PROBLEM! Were supposed to be men! Since when do we give a flying rats butt, about the guys weight sitting next to us? Flap, you were overweight just one year ago! And I have read where you like to insult others over a weight problem. Whats worse is I remember you verbally speaking about how much you hated other people insulting you over your weight problem. I know it affected you personally. I know you lost weight, and I commend you for it. Not because you look better, but because you feel better about yourself. BUT TO MAKE FUN OF OTHERS, WHEN YOU YOURSELF DIDNT LIKE THE WEIGHT PROBLEM.... THATS JUST SHAMEFUL!!!!! Time after time, I have to remind myself what an arrogant person you are!!!!! By the way, I deleted the post about you guys making fun of someone elses nakedness. You guys need to think twice before I will allow, and pay, for bull**** like that to be on the internet. He too, has feelings, in case anyone here has forgotten. Is there any morality left anywhere????? Flap Wrote: > Previous Post: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > http://flapsblog.com SignatureAdministrator Justin Shafer's Post: Flap, nobody is fabricating stories and not one person here will validate anything you say. Your so full of sh*t it stinks. By the way, its good to hear you speak in the first person. letsconnect is right, just last night I wanted to remove the gateway, but I didnt. Hell last night I thought about taking dentalcom down, but I didnt. And I dont think I will. I just dont seem to be able to do it. It's like some curse that I hold you responcible for. I am not going to put up with your lies flap. Every single thing I said was 100% true, and you know it. Would you like to start off by finding a part of my story thats a lie??? You didnt in your last responce, because every single thing I said was true... Ask joel, bill, and sue, and they will tell you the same. I dont lie, and I didnt lie in my last post. I didnt fabricate anything. You just so full of it and embaressed right now, that you will say anything to hide it. I know you, I bet I know you better then anyone here. I spent 2 months with you almost everyday talking on the phone. I thought you were a nice guy, but I was wrong. I knew it when you wanted to use the morman thread on dt, and try to to convince others to talk about it on dentalcom. That makes me think that you dont have a lot of spirituality, and a lack of morality. And you havent changed. Countless times I have been hoping for onde day to see you a better person, and maybe even apologize. Then I would put your posts back up. But you havent changed, and your still the same a**hole. Thats why I havent invited you back to be co-partner with me, even though I have thought about it over 100 times, and even written the pm, and email to invite you over. Everytime I do I wait 30 minutes before I hit send, and everytime I remember what a prick you are, and how you will do ANYTHING, for your own benefit. Joel seems to like you, but joel seems to like everybody. Joel has been the main reason for the past year that I keep dentalcom up. I have never met a nicer guy then joel. Anyone who dislikes him, or puts him down is just a total as*hole, just like you. AND BY THE WAY. I READ THE POST ABOUT HOW YOU GUYS WERE MAKING FUN OF SOMEONE WHO LOVES TO BLEACH TEETH. aBOUT HIS WEIGHT PROBLEM! Were supposed to be men! Since when do we give a flying rats butt, about the guys weight sitting next to us? Flap, you were overweight just one year ago! And I have read where you like to insult others over a weight problem. Whats worse is I remember you verbally speaking about how much you hated other people insulting you over your weight problem. I know it affected you personally. I know you lost weight, and I commend you for it. Not because you look better, but because you feel better about yourself. BUT TO MAKE FUN OF OTHERS, WHEN YOU YOURSELF DIDNT LIKE THE WEIGHT PROBLEM.... THATS JUST SHAMEFUL!!!!! Time after time, I have to remind myself what an arrogant person you are!!!!! By the way, I deleted the post about you guys making fun of someone elses nakedness. You guys need to think twice before I will allow, and pay, for bull**** like that to be on the internet. He too, has feelings, in case anyone here has forgotten. Is there any morality left anywhere????? Flap Wrote: > Previous Post: > Flap Wrote: > > Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post: > > Flap's Post: > > Justin tell the truth and stop fabricating stories. > > It is obvious to all here at SMD that you are attempting to hihack > > SMD. > Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote > AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P. > -- > letsconnect > Flap's Reply: > Then he should do us all a favor here at SMD and disable it. It is > very difficult to follow some of the posts originating at dentalcom. > The SMD natives are restless. > If Joel and Sue wish to post at SMD they can do so in other ways. > Flap > http://flapsblog.com -- Administrator Flap's Reply: What are you talking about? This is boring and not of any interest to the SMD. Just remove the DentalCom.net hack of the SMD and all will be good. Flap http://flapsblog.com >-- >Administrator [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >http://flapsblog.com Please! ``````````````````````` Stephen (What's a temporary?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why don't you two take this garbage to email?! UM MOM Susan > Flap, nobody is fabricating stories and not one person here will > validate anything you say. Your so full of sh*t it stinks. By the way, [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] >> >> http://flapsblog.com >Why don't you two take this garbage to email?! UM MOM Susan REPLY YUP, what I often do when there are 100 messages or 500 messages is I mark "ALL MESSAGES READ," and away they go! How are you accessing SMD, Susan? Joel >> Flap, nobody is fabricating stories and not one person here will >> validate anything you say. Your so full of sh*t it stinks. By the way, [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] >>> >>> http://flapsblog.com Through Bellsouth, and I too mark a lot of the post read. UM MOM Susan >>Why don't you two take this garbage to email?! UM MOM Susan > [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] >>>> >>>> http://flapsblog.com So you are using Microsoft Outlook Express, we presume! Hang in there ..... as of now the link is gone. THE GATEWAY Joel ** >Through Bellsouth, and I too mark a lot of the post read. UM MOM Susan >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Joel Yea Outlook but just for newsgroup thanks goodness. I am happy to here the gateway is gone. Please email those who said they were leaving. UM MOM Susan > So you are using Microsoft Outlook Express, we presume! > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>> >>> Joel >Yea Outlook but just for newsgroup thanks goodness. I am happy to here the >gateway is gone. Please email those who said they were leaving. UM MOM >Susan I do not have their e-mails but could someone alert the troops? Joel >> So you are using Microsoft Outlook Express, we presume! >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>>> >>>> Joel I don't either! But would like to see them all come back too. UM MOM Susan >>Yea Outlook but just for newsgroup thanks goodness. I am happy to here >>the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Joel I havent liked the gateway for quite some time. Joel liked it. All you guys are pricks. All I ever did for you guys is try to make you happy. You guys dont appreciate a dman thing, and I am glad I wnnt have to hear about you guys anymore. Happy birthday by the way shad. Maybe you missed it. I dont care if you did. I was nice enough to tell you happy b-day on DT. Bye Bye SMD. Too much hypocrisy for me. Let it be known. The only reason this gateway is up was for joel. Joel liked it. Joel, I dont like you. You have no heart. You cant even defend me while flap just flaps away. At least sue has some balls. You guys have fun. >I don't either! But would like to see them all come back too. UM MOM Susan >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Joel > I havent liked the gateway for quite some time. Joel liked it. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bye Bye SMD. Don't let the door hit your a.s. carabelli > All you guys are pr%*ks. All I ever did for you guys is try to make > you happy. You guys don't appreciate a d*mn thing, and I am glad I won't > have to hear about you guys anymore. What happened to this guy? Couldn't he drum enough business through this DC site to justify the costs? Since he is a DT regular, one must assume a certain level of sales anticipation behind most efforts, but, then again, maybe not. If the gateway closes down, will Sue figure out how to get here? Signature/ Amatus / > >> I havent liked the gateway for quite some time. Joel liked it. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > carabelli >> All you guys are pr%*ks. All I ever did for you guys is try to make >> you happy. You guys don't appreciate a d*mn thing, and I am glad I won't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >certain level of sales anticipation behind most efforts, but, then again, >maybe not. Moiney was not his motivation. I gave him several good suggestions to make some money from the technology, but he was content just to have made it happen .... Joel >If the gateway closes down, will Sue figure out how to get here? >> All you guys are pr%*ks. All I ever did for you guys is try to make >> you happy. You guys don't appreciate a d*mn thing, and I am glad I won't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >If the gateway closes down, will Sue figure out how to get here? She sent me e-mail and I suggested www.deja.com and www.MedKB.com ....... > >If the gateway closes down, will Sue figure out how to get here? > > She sent me e-mail and I suggested www.deja.com and www.MedKB.com > ....... She must have Outlook Express on her 'puter. Hell, even _I_ could do it. SP SignatureTake out the TRASH to reply Not sure how you can make such general statements, since I've not had the opportunity to discuss anything with you yet. Ignorance perhaps? Hopefully you have simply mistaken this group for the alternative s.m.d group - sado.masochism.dominance. It appears to me that you have some control issues. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | All you guys are pricks. > | All you guys are pricks. > Hopefully you have simply mistaken this group for the alternative s.m.d group - > sado.masochism.dominance. It appears to me that you have some control issues. Should've been the perfect fit? | > | All you guys are pricks. | | > Hopefully you have simply mistaken this group for the alternative s.m.d group - | > sado.masochism.dominance. It appears to me that you have some control issues. | | Should've been the perfect fit? Won't touch that with a ten foot pole. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply >| > | All you guys are pricks. >| [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Won't touch that with a ten foot pole. At least not without your fez on. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >I havent liked the gateway for quite some time. Joel liked it. This is true. I guess I never "go with the crowd." On a calmer note. I was very impressed at how well Justin handled all the complications of the gateway. The RSS-Feeds are very simple by comparison .... Oh I will spare you the details ..... Sleeping dogs ... let 'em sleep ...... Joel >All you guys are pricks. All I ever did for you guys is try to make >you happy. You guys dont appreciate a dman thing, and I am glad I wnnt [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joel No more.... That happens to me all the time! I forget sometimes and BOOM! out goes the wrong page code. Not to worry ...... it adds some color! I think the biggest problem is continuity. As long as we remember to "QUOTE" a little, then the posts make sense. Believe it or not, DentalCom is much easier to understand, especially in the linear form. The older posts are always there if someone wants to scroll. Let's all use this as a learning experience. We are all three of us computer geeks. What non-geekoids perceive as "the problems" is so valuable. I am learning a great deal from the comments. The guys who do not want DentalCom linkage, you will notice, never post anyway! Go see how many posts Flap has posted to SMD before the linkage. Oh maybe 20 in total. Joel Quote: Originally Posted by billkatz Hey Justin, Joel I've been looking at this big stink that some of the SMD people have been making about DC. I've also looked at some possible causes and IMO, it isn't totally pointing to DC. What I've noticed: Some folks still post from here in HTML mode. This pisses them off because of the tags. HTML really isn't NNTP compliant so they have the right to b*tch about it. Perhaps users should be coaxed to use the plain editor if they want to post to SMD. You already posted a good readme about replying. Attaching binaries got a few people's shorts in a knot. (uploading images to DC that is, not copy/paste link to tinyurl.) They'll have to get over the tiny earl Perhaps there can be a 'sticky' post about this? Dunno, might help. I'm also looking at the high ASCII trash Joel pointed out on one of my posts. I'm using the plain editor so I'm not sure what's going on there. As far as I can tell, it looks like a UTF-8 to ASCII translation problem. Please let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks! >I don't either! But would like to see them all come back too. UM MOM Susan >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Joel This is ironic. If my post (and sig) says, "Joel M. Eichen," its a usenet post from Forte Free Agent. If its Joel344, its a DentalCom.Net post! Flap may not be aware that I am the original King of Usenet! My totals are well over 40,000 posts! Joel >Previous Post: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote >AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P. letsconnect Wrote: > Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote > AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P. Your absolutely right letsconnect. This whole SMD thing was not my idea, and even right now I wish it never existed. The only thing it has dont is hurt the posts on the DC side of the bulletin board. I should have realized that it was going to happen. I had an idea, but I didnt think it would be like this. Posts have gone up in general, but only in the SMD forum on the site. I realized about a week ago that it will easily cost around $450.00 to keep the site, and the gateway up for another year. And while that seems cheap in monthly increments, is still kind of pisses me off. Especially since people from SMD dont even like the gateway. This whole thing has just made me fustrated, and the only thing I seem to be able to enjoy is playing pacmand with my fiance, and you. And that stupid racing game that I cannot get the hang of! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flap, I sure would like to here anyone from dentalcom.net, state that I made this whole thing up. You already admitted to it anyways. The disagreement you refer to in one of your previous posts is really just a grand exhibition of what a prick you are..... Thats the "disagreement", as you put it. SignatureAdministrator There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to anythin else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, tryin to constantly correct you of the truth Administrator Wrote: > Your absolutely right letsconnect. This whole SMD thing was not my idea > and even right now I wish it never existed. The only thing it has don [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Thats the "disagreement", as you put it -- Administrato If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, an asked him to stop Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you Explain this!!!! http://tinyurl.com/ags6a Administrator Wrote: > There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind > Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to anythin > else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, tryin > to constantly correct you of the truth -- Administrato Whats worse if that this specific dentist, is not the dentist I wa referring too when flap stole images... it was a guy named sameer This dentist's name is Thomas 2 people who you pissed off. I have always thought there was a code o ethics between dentists, and you just break them all Are you sure I am lying???? Whats worse, is I wont respond to you. Yo just look like a fool You shouldnt call me a liar, and you shouldn't do ANYTHING, to insul me. I will just bring up all the crap you did in the past, just becaus I know you will call me a liar. Whats bad for you is, I am not lying Administrator Wrote: > If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 'www.dentaltown.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=42387&forumID=5&catID=&search=1&sear chstring=&sessionID={22A119AD-D3F4-48EB-8F34-C5E917C8A199 > (http://tinyurl.com/ags6a -- Administrato Justin Shafer's The Administrator of dentalcom.net post: Whats worse if that this specific dentist, is not the dentist I was referring too when flap stole images... it was a guy named sameer. This dentist's name is Thomas. 2 people who you pissed off. I have always thought there was a code of ethics between dentists, and you just break them all. Are you sure I am lying???? Whats worse, is I wont respond to you. You just look like a fool. You shouldnt call me a liar, and you shouldn't do ANYTHING, to insult me. I will just bring up all the crap you did in the past, just because I know you will call me a liar. Whats bad for you is, I am not lying. Administrator Wrote: > If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies. > This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and > asked him to stop. > Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up. > Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you, > dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you. > Explain this!!!!! > Hey Full Osseous, Don't Use These!! > 'www.dentaltown.com/idealbb/vie w.asp?topicID=42387&forumID=5& catID=&se...{22A119AD-D3F4-48EB-8F34-C5E917C8A199' > (http://tinyurl.com/ags6a) -- Administrator Flap's Reply: Justin, how can you steal non-copyrighted images over the internet? For a computer guy I would expect better knowledge. It is not illegal, you know, to use the img src command. I criticised some crappy work on one of the regular contributing dentists on Dental Town and used some of his images to make my point. Other dentists criticised the work too, including Joel and Shad. But, I believe you deleted those posts on dentalcom.net with my posts. Other dentists emailed me to agree but were afraid to post on Dental Town. Some of those images and links to photoshop modified images were e-mailed to me by some other contributors of Dental Town. So, what is the big deal? If the other dentist didn't want his work scrutinized he probably should have not posted photos of his work on the internet. Flap http://flapsblog.com Its not about that! Just like before! Have some respect for me! created a damn bulletin board site, with your help. Only you know ho much effort I put into this site. We both slaved over it for 2 week without almost any sleep at all Its about howards ability to prevent me from posting because I am you partner. You stealing images could piss everybody off and prevent m from posting. And I told you from the very beginning that I will d anything but prevent that. I honestly thought after we added th forums, that howard would surely get pissed at me. But he realized was really pissed off about the israel thing, just like other peopl were. Or at least I assume so. Because I can still post, and I was abl to post, when we had our conversation You know I wanted to keep my priveldges on DT. A computer guy who like to work for dentists would want the ability to post on dt That. And even if you are right, legally. I would still have to hire lawyer to proove all that in court. And I honestly didnt think yo would foot the bill for that, if it came down to it I am not in a positiion to battle dentaltown over a point your tryin to make with images from other colleagues stolen from their site. Wha about respecting some else. You claim you saw this all the time so yo could have gotten your own images.. And after I decided to break up our partnership, you left me voicemail that you were sorry, and that you would remove the images and find othe images to use. Only after you treated my like your doormat. Thats why have been cautious about letting you back in. Its a shame too, becaus I know your a really smart guy, and everything you say about dentistry I know you believe in I dont know a thing about dentistry, so I just go along with what yo say. = At any rate, I dont appreciate you coming on here, and egging on a ba thing. Yes I deleted your posts... But you know why, and you purposel failed to mention that when someone says that dentalcom.net i moderated... Sure, if you were part owner in the site and royally pissed off you partner. I doubt few people here are in that positition Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer's The Administrator of dentalcom.net post > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > http://flapsblog.com SignatureAdministrator Justin Shafer's Administrator at DentalCom.net Post: Its not about that! Just like before! Have some respect for me! I created a damn bulletin board site, with your help. Only you know how much effort I put into this site. We both slaved over it for 2 weeks without almost any sleep at all. Its about howards ability to prevent me from posting because I am your partner. You stealing images could piss everybody off and prevent me from posting. And I told you from the very beginning that I will do anything but prevent that. I honestly thought after we added the forums, that howard would surely get pissed at me. But he realized I was really pissed off about the israel thing, just like other people were. Or at least I assume so. Because I can still post, and I was able to post, when we had our conversation. You know I wanted to keep my priveldges on DT. A computer guy who likes to work for dentists would want the ability to post on dt. That. And even if you are right, legally. I would still have to hire a lawyer to proove all that in court. And I honestly didnt think you would foot the bill for that, if it came down to it. I am not in a positiion to battle dentaltown over a point your trying to make with images from other colleagues stolen from their site. What about respecting some else. You claim you saw this all the time so you could have gotten your own images... And after I decided to break up our partnership, you left me voicemails that you were sorry, and that you would remove the images and find other images to use. Only after you treated my like your doormat. Thats why I have been cautious about letting you back in. Its a shame too, because I know your a really smart guy, and everything you say about dentistry, I know you believe in. I dont know a thing about dentistry, so I just go along with what you say. =) At any rate, I dont appreciate you coming on here, and egging on a bad thing. Yes I deleted your posts... But you know why, and you purposely failed to mention that when someone says that dentalcom.net is moderated.... Sure, if you were part owner in the site and royally pissed off your partner. I doubt few people here are in that positition. Flap's Reply: No one cares here Justin. Your lies are your lies. NOBODY cares here. And you stole from me as you are stealing from the SMD. So give it up and delete the gateway hack to SMD. Flap http://flapsblog.com Yeah right flap. Everybody knows I wanted to take dentalcom.net down back when we split up... Here is the thread. http://www.dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1722&highlight=flap You are so full of crap. Spreading your lies... By the way, the gateway isnt stealing. It can read and post just like any other news reader, and I gave it its own spot onthe site. Stealing colleagues images of cases that they would like help on just to make some point about cerec when you easily could have done it without stealing images, or so you say, is not only stealing but its being an a.shole to your fellow man... Thats why thom posted this... http://tinyurl.com/bl6xx} Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer's Administrator at DentalCom.net Post: > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > http://flapsblog.com SignatureAdministrator Dont worry flap, maybe howard will like the idea. And you will surely get your wish. Administrator Wrote: > Yeah right flap. Everybody knows I wanted to take dentalcom.net down > back when we split up... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/bl6xx} SignatureAdministrator I for one would be sorry to see this website go away. AFAIK, there ar very few resources for professionals and fewer for patients. Fo professionals, there's Dental Town / Hygiene Town and IDF, which ar advertising driven, by registration only and/or for professionals only For patients there's this site, SMD and a few specific groups lik Letsconnect's dental fear board. (I'm sorry Flap, but your blog i mainly a politically oriented system with a few postings here and ther about dentistry. It's also a one way avenue since users can't post o forums.) Usenet feeds are great, IMO, but they?re slated for death. Most ISP' won't provide newsfeeds and many of the ones that now do are looking a removing the service. Usenet feeds are bandwidth hogs and the first cos savings measure an ISP will take is to trim Usenet off their list o services. Look for yourselves; Comcast, AOL and the big telco's n longer provide it. The average user has to go and subscribe to separate service which will cost them an additional monthly fee. Mos users just won't do this. In fact, most users aren?t even aware tha there is a Usenet! If the consensus is to keep SMD a small feed exclusive to only a few, then stop me right here and I?ll back away Albeit, 90% of all computer users don?t have a clue as to what NNT feeds are and they don?t care. They?d rather use a website and go o with it. It was my hope that DC would assist SMD, not deter from it. Somehow, this issue of deleting posts has been intertwined onto thi pointless argument. Flap, for just one minute consider the fact tha Justin was about to be sued because of these posts. Hell, I would hav cut you off much sooner than he did. If you really think it?s s important to have these Cerec images up somewhere, post them in prominent place on your blog. Justin, I for one would care if you took the site down. Personally, thinks its been good and I think its growing. -b Administrator Wrote: > Dont worry flap, maybe howard will like the idea. And you will surel > get your wish -- billkat I think its going in the right direction, with excellent suggestions from Dr. Steve, Carabelli, and the rest. I frequently publish statistics about SMD, who the big posters are, etc. Even before DC and without DC, smd was on its way out. There are six or ten dentists who are good friends, about five interested people who are non-dentists, an occasional patient, and that's it. Joel >I for one would be sorry to see this website go away. AFAIK, there are >very few resources for professionals and fewer for patients. For [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> Dont worry flap, maybe howard will like the idea. And you will surely >> get your wish. Justin wrote, >You are so full of crap. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Thats why thom posted this... MY REPLY GATEWAYS, I guess this is the point we all need to understand. Post-Gutenberg-Galaxy (macLuhan), electronic media differs from print media. When you type into your keyboard and hit ENTER, its unlike PRINTING. With printing there is one copy. Sure people can Xerox and such, but distribution is always limited. WITH ELECTRONIC MEDIA, distribution is universal. This is what everyone needs to understand. We are exploring the ubiquity of electronic dsitribution, that's all. Its a powerful force that I hope your children and grandchildren will understand. The future of the planet depends upon it. PS~ Adolph Hitler came to power because he understood the power of the new medium of his time ~ the radio. The analogy is perfect. Joel >Its not about that! Just like before! Have some respect for me! I >created a damn bulletin board site, with your help. Only you know how [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >were. Or at least I assume so. Because I can still post, and I was able >to post, when we had our conversation. REPLY What Israel thing? You mean there is a shortage of bagels down in Texas again? Joel >You know I wanted to keep my priveldges on DT. A computer guy who likes >to work for dentists would want the ability to post on dt. [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >> >> http://flapsblog.com Justin Shafer's Post: If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies. This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and asked him to stop. Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up. Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you, dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you. Explain this!!!!! http://tinyurl.com/ags6a} Administrator Wrote: > There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind. > Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to anything > else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, trying > to constantly correct you of the truth. -- Administrator Flap's Reply: I thought you said that you were not going to respond to me any longer. And using an IMG src command to share photos across the internet and comment on them is a crime. Have you ever heard of the fair use doctrine? No, you probably haven't. Give me a break. Flap http://flapsblog.com Yeah, but unlike you, since the site is in my name, they can still bring me to court and make me spend money on something I dont want too. Something you didnt have to worry about. And you know it! I seriously doubt you would have bailed me out for your mistakes, if someone made me go to court. Yes... I cant help but watch you spread your lies. It just irratates the hell out of me. You think I am going to take the gateway down, and dentalcom down, when I know it makes you happy. Ha. Go ahead flap... explain why Thom cant stand you, and why sameer cant stand you, why I cant stand you, why you got banned at DT. Explain this thread! http://tinyurl.com/ags6a Explain how I am just a liar, and I am making everything up! Go ahead... Elaborate on our "disagreement", as you so call it. My story makes sense. You were stealing images from DT, while I caught ALL the heat for it. I asked you too stop, and you were a total a.s, and asked me to sell you dentalcom, or just stfu. I told you to get bent, which you did. Your still bent today. I will say it a thousand times... your a total prick, and a liar, and you dont defend yourself very well. Perhaps one day you will get whats coming to you. =) Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer's Post: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > http://flapsblog.com SignatureAdministrator Just do a search on Dentaltown for "stealing images", and a thread about you pulls up. ITS WHY YOU GOT BANNED. Administrator Wrote: > Yeah, but unlike you, since the site is in my name, they can still bring > me to court and make me spend money on something I dont want too. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > =) SignatureAdministrator Justin Shafer's Administrator at DentalCom.net Post: Whats worse if that this specific dentist, is not the dentist I was referring too when flap stole images... it was a guy named sameer. This dentist's name is Thomas. 2 people who you pissed off. I have always thought there was a code of ethics between dentists, and you just break them all. Are you sure I am lying???? Whats worse, is I wont respond to you. You just look like a fool. You shouldnt call me a liar, and you shouldn't do ANYTHING, to insult me. I will just bring up all the crap you did in the past, just because I know you will call me a liar. Whats bad for you is, I am not lying. Administrator Wrote: > If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies. > This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and > asked him to stop. > Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up. > Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you, > dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you. > Explain this!!!!! > Hey Full Osseous, Don't Use These!! > 'www.dentaltown.com/idealbb/vie w.asp?topicID=42387&forumID=5& catID=&se...{22A119AD-D3F4-48EB-8F34-C5E917C8A199' > (http://tinyurl.com/ags6a) -- Administrator Flap's Reply: Justin, you have it wrong. AS USUAL. I quit Dental Town weeks before I found my user name banned. My IP was not banned and I continue to receive e-mails from the site daily. Most of the material (e-mails and graphic files) I receive is from other people on Dental Town. So, the paranoia of some of the folks over there are from some people they know and befriend ratting them out. LOL..... Justin this is boring to the SMD and NObody cares about Dental Town here! Take down the SMD Gateway hack and call it a night. Flap http://flapsblog.com Justin Shafer's Post: Yeah, but unlike you, since the site is in my name, they can still bring me to court and make me spend money on something I dont want too. Something you didnt have to worry about. And you know it! I seriously doubt you would have bailed me out for your mistakes, if someone made me go to court. Yes... I cant help but watch you spread your lies. It just irratates the hell out of me. You think I am going to take the gateway down, and dentalcom down, when I know it makes you happy. Ha. Go ahead flap... explain why Thom cant stand you, and why sameer cant stand you, why I cant stand you, why you got banned at DT. Explain this thread! http://tinyurl.com/ags6a Explain how I am just a liar, and I am making everything up! Go ahead... Elaborate on our "disagreement", as you so call it. My story makes sense. You were stealing images from DT, while I caught ALL the heat for it. I asked you too stop, and you were a total a.s, and asked me to sell you dentalcom, or just stfu. I told you to get bent, which you did. Your still bent today. I will say it a thousand times... your a total prick, and a liar, and you dont defend yourself very well. Perhaps one day you will get whats coming to you. =) Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer's Post: > If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies. > This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and > asked him to stop. > Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up. > Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you, > dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you. > Explain this!!!!! > http://tinyurl.com/ags6a} > Administrator Wrote: > > There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind. > > Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to > anything > > else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, > trying > > to constantly correct you of the truth. > -- > Administrator > Flap's Reply: > I thought you said that you were not going to respond to me any longer. > And using an IMG src command to share photos across the internet and > comment on them is a crime. Have you ever heard of the fair use > doctrine? > No, you probably haven't. > Give me a break. > Flap > http://flapsblog.com -- Administrator Flap's Reply: Justin, you need to chill out. Sorry SMD folks I won't reply AGAIN.....otherwise he will just keep spouting off. Now you understand why he and I split up. And you understand why he wants to hijack the SMD feed for his own purposes. Shame. Flap http://flapsblog.com Flap... once again, you cant defend a thing. You just keep sticking t the story of, "gee he's trying to hijack the gateway so its all mad up I guess you think that if you dont respond to any allegations, then i will all just disappear. You cant even bother explaining this post ove at dentaltown... http://www.dentaltown.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=42387&forumID=5&catID=&search =1&searchstring=&sessionID={22A119AD-D3F4-48EB-8F34-C5E917C8A19 I honestly am paying for this stupid gateway, and I cant stand it. just sent an email over to howard farran, asking him if he would like vbulletin arcade. If he does, kiss all this good bye. Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer's Post > [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > http://flapsblog.co -- Administrato Justin Shafer's Post: Flap... once again, you cant defend a thing. You just keep sticking to the story of, "gee he's trying to hijack the gateway so its all made up" I guess you think that if you dont respond to any allegations, then it will all just disappear. You cant even bother explaining this post over at dentaltown.... http://www.dentaltown.com/idea lbb/view.asp?topicID=42387&for umID=5&ca...{22A119AD-D3F4-48EB-8F34-C5E917C8A199 I honestly am paying for this stupid gateway, and I cant stand it. I just sent an email over to howard farran, asking him if he would like a vbulletin arcade. If he does, kiss all this good bye. Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer's Post: > Yeah, but unlike you, since the site is in my name, they can still > bring > me to court and make me spend money on something I dont want too. > Something you didnt have to worry about. And you know it! I seriously > doubt you would have bailed me out for your mistakes, if someone made > me go to court. > Yes... I cant help but watch you spread your lies. It just irratates > the hell out of me. You think I am going to take the gateway down, and > dentalcom down, when I know it makes you happy. Ha. > Go ahead flap... > explain why Thom cant stand you, and why sameer cant stand you, why I > cant stand you, why you got banned at DT. > Explain this thread! > http://tinyurl.com/ags6a > Explain how I am just a liar, and I am making everything up! Go > ahead... > Elaborate on our "disagreement", as you so call it. > My story makes sense. You were stealing images from DT, while I caught > ALL the heat for it. I asked you too stop, and you were a total a.s, > and asked me to sell you dentalcom, or just stfu. > I told you to get bent, which you did. Your still bent today. > I will say it a thousand times... your a total prick, and a liar, and > you dont defend yourself very well. > Perhaps one day you will get whats coming to you. > =) > Flap Wrote: > > Justin Shafer's Post: > > If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies. > > This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and > > asked him to stop. > > Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up. > > Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you, > > dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you. > > Explain this!!!!! > > http://tinyurl.com/ags6a} > > Administrator Wrote: > > > There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind. > > > Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to > > anything > > > else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, > > trying > > > to constantly correct you of the truth. > > -- > > Administrator > > Flap's Reply: > > I thought you said that you were not going to respond to me any > longer. > > And using an IMG src command to share photos across the internet and > > comment on them is a crime. Have you ever heard of the fair use > > doctrine? > > No, you probably haven't. > > Give me a break. > > Flap > > http://flapsblog.com > -- > Administrator > Flap's Reply: > Justin, you need to chill out. > Sorry SMD folks I won't reply AGAIN.....otherwise he will just keep > spouting off. Now you understand why he and I split up. > And you understand why he wants to hijack the SMD feed for his own > purposes. > Shame. > Flap > http://flapsblog.com -- Administrator ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Administrator's Profile: http://dentalcom.net/forum/mem ber.php?userid=1 View this thread: http://dentalcom.net/forum/sho wthread.php?t=2719 Flap's Reply: No need to refute anything because what you say are either half truths or lies. And if you take down your site.................. BYE! No one will care here. Flap http://flapsblog.com Yeah flap, just stick to the "gee he's trying to hijack smd so he must be lying".... What would be better for me, is if I ignored you. But I dont really care what happens to me or the gateway between smd and dentalcom.net.. In fact, I sent an email over to howard farran to see if he is interested in a vbulletin arcade on dentaltown. If so, kiss dentalcom.net good bye. I am sick of this, and I am sick of getting to talk to someone like you. You still cant tell here anyone why, even though I have asked you like 5 times now, what I am lying about. You cant explain why someone would steal your images. http://tinyurl.com/bl6xx} Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer's Post: > [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > http://flapsblog.com SignatureAdministrator Justin Shafer, the Administrator at DentalCom.net soon to be sold to Howard Farran Post: Yeah flap, just stick to the "gee he's trying to hijack smd so he must be lying".... What would be better for me, is if I ignored you. But I dont really care what happens to me or the gateway between smd and dentalcom.net.. In fact, I sent an email over to howard farran to see if he is interested in a vbulletin arcade on dentaltown. If so, kiss dentalcom.net good bye. I am sick of this, and I am sick of getting to talk to someone like you. You still cant tell here anyone why, even though I have asked you like 5 times now, what I am lying about. You cant explain why someone would steal your images. http://tinyurl.com/bl6xx} Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer's Post: > Yeah, but unlike you, since the site is in my name, they can still > bring > me to court and make me spend money on something I dont want too. > Something you didnt have to worry about. And you know it! I seriously > doubt you would have bailed me out for your mistakes, if someone made > me go to court. > Yes... I cant help but watch you spread your lies. It just irratates > the hell out of me. You think I am going to take the gateway down, and > dentalcom down, when I know it makes you happy. Ha. > Go ahead flap... > explain why Thom cant stand you, and why sameer cant stand you, why I > cant stand you, why you got banned at DT. > Explain this thread! > http://tinyurl.com/ags6a > Explain how I am just a liar, and I am making everything up! Go > ahead... > Elaborate on our "disagreement", as you so call it. > My story makes sense. You were stealing images from DT, while I caught > ALL the heat for it. I asked you too stop, and you were a total a.s, > and asked me to sell you dentalcom, or just stfu. > I told you to get bent, which you did. Your still bent today. > I will say it a thousand times... your a total prick, and a liar, and > you dont defend yourself very well. > Perhaps one day you will get whats coming to you. > =) > Flap Wrote: > > Justin Shafer's Post: > > If anyone here has a dentaltown account, check out flaps lies. > > This thread is someone griping about how flap stole his images, and > > asked him to stop. > > Its all right here, even though flap says I like to make things up. > > Take this flap!!!! Though I have deleted everything about you, > > dentaltown was nice enough to keep some crap on record, just for you. > > Explain this!!!!! > > http://tinyurl.com/ags6a} > > Administrator Wrote: > > > There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind. > > > Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to > > anything > > > else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, > > trying > > > to constantly correct you of the truth. > > -- > > Administrator > > Flap's Reply: > > I thought you said that you were not going to respond to me any > longer. > > And using an IMG src command to share photos across the internet and > > comment on them is a crime. Have you ever heard of the fair use > > doctrine? > > No, you probably haven't. > > Give me a break. > > Flap > > http://flapsblog.com > -- > Administrator > Flap's Reply: > Justin, you need to chill out. > Sorry SMD folks I won't reply AGAIN.....otherwise he will just keep > spouting off. Now you understand why he and I split up. > And you understand why he wants to hijack the SMD feed for his own > purposes. > Shame. > Flap > http://flapsblog.com -- Administrator ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Administrator's Profile: http://dentalcom.net/forum/mem ber.php?userid=1 View this thread: http://dentalcom.net/forum/sho wthread.php?t=2719 Flap's Reply: Lies, lies and more lies....... No one cares..... Bye Bye...... Flap http://flapsblog.com Sure flap. I knew you would say that. Hey, I thought you too, were not going to respond?! Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer, the Administrator at DentalCom.net soon to be sold to > Howard Farran Post: [quoted text clipped - 147 lines] > > http://flapsblog.com SignatureAdministrator To Justin. Best to ignore Flap. Please do not forget about the faithful people who have enjoyed your site and have made many posts. We would hate to see this close. Together with you, we have kept this open and active more successfuly than Mike Maroon's board ... with only handful of posters. You should feel very proud Justin. Your board has been a success!! Falps' rants mean nothing. Look at the facts. If yuo do not beloive me just chekc into Maroon's discussion baord and see how many posts have been made there! I am not saying this in disrespect to Mike Marron, but just as measure so that you can realize just how successful you really have been wiht this Justin. Please don't give up yet. Let Flap, Flap away. He is just mad because Dcom is still running and still has faithful posters. Nothing would please him more than to see you abandon it or sell it to Howard Farran. Then he can say ... see, I told you so. Please do not give up just yet. Thanks for your consideration, Sue SignatureSue >Explain this!!!!! > >http://tinyurl.com/ags6a} BUMMER! A link to where the sun don't shine ........ Dr. Steve, what's it say? Joiel Justin's Shafer's Post: There are only one good type of fritos, the honey barbeque kind. Thats my happy moment for today. Flap, I am not responding to anything else you have to say. It would just be a total waste of my time, trying to constantly correct you of the truth. Administrator Wrote: > Your absolutely right letsconnect. This whole SMD thing was not my idea, > and even right now I wish it never existed. The only thing it has dont > is hurt the posts on the DC side of the bulletin board. I should have > realized that it was going to happen. I had an idea, but I didnt think > it would be like this. > Posts have gone up in general, but only in the SMD forum on the site. > I realized about a week ago that it will easily cost around $450.00 to > keep the site, and the gateway up for another year. And while that > seems cheap in monthly increments, is still kind of pisses me off. > Especially since people from SMD dont even like the gateway. > This whole thing has just made me fustrated, and the only thing I seem > to be able to enjoy is playing pacmand with my fiance, and you. > And that stupid racing game that I cannot get the hang of! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Flap, I sure would like to here anyone from dentalcom.net, state that I > made this whole thing up. You already admitted to it anyways. > The disagreement you refer to in one of your previous posts is really > just a grand exhibition of what a prick you are..... > Thats the "disagreement", as you put it. -- Administrator Flap's Reply: Sounds good to me. Now take down the gateway to SMD. Flap http://flapsblog.com Good. You looking at your news reader right now. Explain this post here: http://tinyurl.com/ags6a Then explain how you didnt give me 2 options. To sell you dentalcom.net, or to allow you to keep on stealing images from colleagues over at dentaltown. Explain how I am just making this all up. All you have said so far, is that we had a disagreement. Tell the good folks at SMD what the disagreement was about! You havent said anything about it, just that you sure would like this gateway close.... Geeeee... wonder why you are saying that... Sameer once wanted me to say hi by the way, and ask you how you are doing at that school you work at... USC???? LOL! Still work in the same classroom as you did one year ago???????? Flap Wrote: > Justin's Shafer's Post: > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > http://flapsblog.com SignatureAdministrator >Sounds good to me. > >Now take down the gateway to SMD. ``````````````````````` Stephen (What's a temporary?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Justin Shafer's The Administrator of DentalCom.net post: Flap, I sure would like to here anyone from dentalcom.net, state that I made this whole thing up. You already admitted to it anyways. The disagreement you refer to in one of your previous posts is really just a grand exhibition of what a prick you are..... Thats the "disagreement", as you put it. -- Administrator Flap's Reply: Whatever Justin..... Stop the moaning and leave SMD alone. Flap http://flapsblog.com Yep. I bet you would love that. I am right, you wont respond to an truth on this site at all. I bet there are people who are intereste to find this out about you And what I think is most interesting is how you cant even defend ho thomas wanted you to stop stealing his images from dentaltown, an posting then on dentalcom, which is against the agreement that yo agree to when you register at dentaltown. But hell, you dont care. An you dont care what you do to me, or anyone else, as long as it make you feel like a big man, which is most likely why you were goin through a divorce, and your wife was taking all your money. That an you live in california. = Be a man flap, grow up. People respect the truth. The fact that yo havent actually specifically defended any of my statements, an evidence supporting my statements on dentaltown, just show how stupi you really are, and how you think if you just keep pretending, an acting like its all made up, then maybe, just maybe, other people wil follow you It wont. I wont let you. Go ahead flap.... explain it. http://tinyurl.com/ags6 Flap Wrote: > Justin Shafer's The Administrator of DentalCom.net post > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > http://flapsblog.co -- Administrato Saying this about that ....... (I have intentionally deleted what was said above, as it has little bearing on the discussion .......) This is why my thinking was to somehow exploit the technology, to help Justin, to help the patients, to assist the dentists, I mean c'mon ,,,,,, why else are we all here? The RSS-Feeds were our little attempt at using DentalCom and other technologies to expand Justin's burgeoning consulting business to include some docs who like the idea of their cancellation lists going out to patients' cell phones in real time, who might live closeby, and could fill broken appointments. Why not call them like REGULAR people do? Well in my office how it works is this. The cancellation comes in at 10am for the 11am appointment. Suddenly there are other phone calls, other patients, all kinds of distractions. The front desk calls 6-8 people, and just our luck, they are all busy! So there's a dental hygienist, pulling down $40 for the hour, and no patient! That's discouraging! Joel We gots the answer, but we have to market and promote it. For the good of dentistry, and believe it or not, for Dr. Steve, Carabelli, the Bornfeld Twins, W_B, really for everybody. Sorry W_B, please do not report ....... fergit it! >Flap Wrote: >> Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Err... actually, Justin was the only person on DentalCom.net to vote >AGAINST the SMD gateway... not that there were many voters :-P. REPLY This is the hugely funny part. DentalCom.net consists of around 3-4 regular posters plus 3-4 occasional posters ....... plus a bunch of SOMETIMES posters ....... Joel FLAP!!!!! Remember the Beatles? "Let It Be." Joel >Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Sigh! SUGGESTION HERE: Everyone needs to add "who wrote what." You need to add, Justin said, ... Later on write, MY REPLY ........ or ... REPLY ........ Etc. This is what is causing some confusion, I believe. Joel >Justin Shafer - the Administrator at DentalCom.net post: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Sigh! >SUGGESTION HERE: Sounds good to me. Now take down the gateway to SMD. ``````````````````````` Stephen (What's a temporary?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I think someone had too much soup. >Dr. Steve Wrote: >> Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >Sigh! ``````````````````````` Stephen (What's a temporary?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What's with the soup? There must be some clever meaning in there, but I am missing it! Joel >I think someone had too much soup. > >>Dr. Steve Wrote: >>> Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it >>> is step backwards. Plus, it is moderated and restricted. Is SMD now moderated? Who are you administrator (not trying to be rude just don't understand)? UM MOM Susan > Dr. Steve Wrote: >> Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Sigh! >Is SMD now moderated? Who are you administrator (not trying to be rude just >don't understand)? UM MOM Susan REPLY Administrator, is Justin who is the Administrator at DentalCom.Net. Flap (or Falp as many people call him) is Justin's old partner in crime so to say, until Falp himself was banned from DentalCom. This was over a copyright issue at a third site known as DentalTown.com. Anyone who is interested can read more at flapsblog site, or elsewhere but hopefully, not HERE! Joel Justin posts from DentalCom.Net Flap posts through sci.med.dentistry. Joel M. Eichen posts through sci.med.dentistry (Foprte Free Agent) Joel344 posts through DentalCom.net. The last two guys are the same ... ME! Joel PS~ Oh there is one more similar confusion ....... Webby aka Webmaster is Sabra Broock who was similarly confused because people thought she was webmaster of sci.med.dentistry. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending upon whom you ask, there is no webmaster here. This is because there is no WEB! Its NETWORK NEWS! It runs by itself! >> Dr. Steve Wrote: >>> Except that DC is not improvement over a newsreader. If anything, it [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> >> Sigh! Well I figured out who Webby was. It was administrator and the talk of this person Flap being banned that confused me. Thanks for clearing this up because I didn't think the newsgroup was moderated. UM MOM Susan >>Is SMD now moderated? Who are you administrator (not trying to be rude >>just [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] >>> >>> Sigh! Actually, each person in their own right is a fine person. Things get very confused on the 'net. Flap and Justin (*Administrator") were in charge of DentalCom and I was the last poster still standing. At one point, there were as many as 146 people online simultaneously at DentalCom.net. These are real figures, unlike the Other White Meat site (DentalTown.Com) where the numbers are goosed to please advertisers! This is factual. Joel >Well I figured out who Webby was. It was administrator and the talk of this >person Flap being banned that confused me. Thanks for clearing this up [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] >>>> >>>> Sigh! Well this does explain a lot, thank Joel. UM MOM Susan > Actually, each person in their own right is a fine person. Things get > very confused on the 'net. [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Sigh! I agree. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | You know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I could have sworn that it has been mentioned | that no regulars from SMD dislike the regul;ars from DC. The problem [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | Stephen (What's a temporary?) | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get > some really good discussion going. No one on SMD objects to the posters from DC, we just cannot follow postings the same way, so the conversations make no sense to us. If you want to converse, just log in to the Usenet like the rest of us do. Why is there a need to "combine" things when the system is fine as it is? Signature/ Amatus / > >> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > you do, and infact look at you as invaders of our little corner of the > net. >> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get >> some really good discussion going. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > want to converse, just log in to the Usenet like the rest of us do. Why > is there a need to "combine" things when the system is fine as it is? Precisely the point Amatus and well said! Heck there are countless free NNTP servers around the world a person could use even if their own ISP doesn't provide access. > Precisely the point Amatus and well said! Heck there are countless free > NNTP servers around the world a person could use even if their own ISP > doesn't provide access. Thank you Tim. Signature/ Amatus / > >>> Ahh shoot. I thought we were going to get [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > NNTP servers around the world a person could use even if their own ISP > doesn't provide access. 08/28/2005 Justin, I like the new look and organizational headers. But I am not sur Carabelli understands the problem. Let's say I post a new thread at th forum, "Case Management," "Legal," or any other forum at DentalCom.Ne other than the Dental Talk at SMD sub-forum. No one at sci.med.dentistry will ever see that. The only posts the will see are the ones that originate at, DentalCom.Net > Main Forum > Dental Talk at SMD > or posts that are replies to a topic originating a nntp://sci.med.dentistry, http://www.MedKB.com, http://www.deja.com, o a host of others, that get aggregated at, DentalCom.Net > Main Forum > Dental Talk at SMD >. So the problem is not the DentalCom people who by the way, numbe between five and ten depending on who is counting! Many do not understand that. I have also noticed that almost all of the spam-type posts an controversial, aggressive posts are originating from way beyond you domain! Joel jshafer817 Wrote: > I seperated the two searches on the site. Now its easier to tell th > difference between the two.. There is SMD Topics, and DC Topics.. -- Joel34 Small sampling of "other forums" at DentalCom.Net: Key: Title of Thread ( 1 2 3 ) means pages of posts Originator of Thread Date and time of last post Replies ...... Views Forum The views figure may be off as this does not count views elsewhere other than DentalCom.Net. Joel DentSim (Dental Simulation Learning Tool) Joel344 Yesterday 08:51 PM by Joel344 4 116 Dental Equipment Question for Sleuths Sue Yesterday 09:18 AM by letsconnect 2 34 Miscellaneous Possible to change user name? ambergambler 08-26-2005 07:29 AM by letsconnect 2 18 Miscellaneous Pediatric Oral Conscious Sedation - Safety Concerns Sue 08-24-2005 05:11 PM by Sue 17 242 Oral Conscious Sedation :: Get Them Out Of That Hell :: yas123 08-23-2005 01:08 PM by barry1818 1 77 News Poll: BadDentist.com and Larry Rosenthal ( 1 2 3 ) baddentist 08-22-2005 03:16 PM by Joel344 126 1,476 Miscellaneous Aloha Meeting rat 08-22-2005 02:55 PM by rat 5 114 Continuing Education World's first 3D display revealed billkatz 08-22-2005 09:58 AM by billkatz 2 50 Computer and Softwar -- Joel34 >RE: SMD-Dentcom gateway > >How do I find SMD so I can see what it is that you are talking about? >I am not sure how posts from Dcom are displayed at SMD. >It will help me to understand the format concerns. Thanks, Sue Download and install FreeAgent from www.forteinc.com Sign up with a free news server.. maybe.. http://www.readfreenews.com/ Download all the groups into Agent and read SMD. Tom Tom, I tried to sign in last night. Seems I had account there once. went through the process of changing my password but still got bumpe out. I will try again. Thanks for the info! Su -- Su For Sue, for others ..... Here is what a newsreader looks like. This is Forte Free Agent. Its m old reader. This is reading smd in nntp protocol (network news transfe protocol). Newsreaders are convenient, very fast, and very worthwhile, but lac some of the functionality of web based (http) DentalCom.net. To get this to work, you need to change your server configuration t the current server, add in your name and password (for authentication) then select "highlighted groups for downloading headers." This takes while. They have 18,001 headers. After that though, if there are twelv posts it will only download the twelve new HEADERS. Then when you clic you get the body displayed in the large lower window. Joel . [image: http://tinypic.com/b4g9rn.jpg] . http://tinypic.com/b4g9rn.jp -- Joel34 One advantage to having a gateway like DC is that users can uploa photos to a particular site or location. Once a user uploads the image DC will hyperlink it and allow usenet readers can and see them, if the wish Just my 2 cents worth -- billkat YUP we agree. And if the user conforms to the [ i m g ] and [ / i m g tag conventions, without the spaces of course, then those readin www.DentalCom.Net will see in-line images that are being rendered i real-time. Alternatively, if reading from a newsreader such as Forte Free Agent or at Google or MedKB, or other non-image based software one mus "click to view." Now sometimes I am too lazy and I do not want t irrurupt what I am doing so I simply skip the images. Someone reading this from a Palm Pilot 650 or Blackberry or Nokia (al wireless phone devices) can view the images on their phones. Prett cool actually. In 1990 there were reasons not to incur the overhead of images compressed or not. Today, un-uh. Hey folks! Its a-comin' ....... Dic Tracy Radio Wrist Watch is here. Joe -- Joel34 >Just a short note. I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years. >Usenet was what it was. SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with the gateway [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >carabelli I agree fully, I really do not care about the blog. I have no bad wishes for Flap, I simply do not care about his blog. I also do not care about DC or DT. I am not interested in those groups. I greatly dislike NG messages being harvested toother sites. I probably will spend less time here as the site becomes more and more an extension of DC. It would be a shame if you do depart, but that is the real world. This is slightly O/T, but since I've been back from our vacation, I've had naught but aggravation from Sympatico. It really does seem that they want to drown their UseNet section. I for one have appreciated the SMD for what it was, and hopefully still can be, even if I have to nix Sympatico. This is because posting from Google Groups is the ROYAL PITS Cheers SP SP, O/T Can you access my ISP, SBCglobal net, phone number is 1-877-722-3755. SBC phone co. 1-800-2ll-9310. Nobody knows less than I do about ISPs or other things for that matter. SBC is our phone company, and they bill the monthly fee of $31.50 on the telephone bill which I thought would be convenient. Have had a lot of trouble accessing the internet as their modem shows inaccessibility. It may have been resolved with a little rise in blood pressure. Gail I cant stand SBC. Out of all the ISP providers I think their dsl is th worst. As far as tech support goes. I actually prefer verizon ove them. Now, if its a dial up account, I think sbc is outstanding. Is cable internet an option where you live? I always go for cabl internet over dsl -- jshafer81 Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems 2232 Solona St. Fort Worth, TX. 76117 (817) 909-4222 jshafer817@comcast.ne If you want free s/b/c dial up access. Tcenter3 stream LOL.... Dont tell anyone -- jshafer81 Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems 2232 Solona St. Fort Worth, TX. 76117 (817) 909-4222 jshafer817@comcast.ne If cable must be subscribed to, to have use their ISP, would not consider it. Do not watch cable at any time, so a waste of additional money. The tech support was difficult, but they finally gave into many measures. Sent a telephone man here to check the wires inside and out, said someone would be here next day to fix the wires. And then they sent engineers to fix the problem also, they just called saying the engineers said everything is fine. Anyway, fine for now. You have to throw a tantrum to get the service, and it got sort of funny, couldn't understand the support tech, so they connected me to someone in Texas who could talk a little better american. The tech that obliged for this is in India. A little tolerance accomplished the problem. So I guess they are okay, don't want to knock them. They do try hard with a little coaxing. Gail > I cant stand SBC. Out of all the ISP providers I think their dsl is the > worst. As far as tech support goes. I actually prefer verizon over [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > jshafer817's Profile: http://dentalcom.net/forum/member.php?userid=9 > View this thread: http://dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2719 SP Forgot you are in Canada, SBC probably doesn't extend there. Is it possible you have a local phone company that provides the service. Gail The quickest way to access usenet discussions is Forte Free Agen (Newsreader). Actually its too efficient as some people at usenet wh were annoyed with my hundreds upon hundreds of posts will tell you Actually it was thousands or tens of thousands, literally. The MOST ORGANIZED way, now that Forte is beyond the reach of man people who have been shut out of nntp is the DentalCom.Net htt gateway. It also includes the ability to include photos, etc. Just a suggestion ....... Joel > SP > > Forgot you are in Canada, SBC probably doesn't extend there. Is it > possible you have a local phone company that provides the service. > Gail -- Joel34 >The quickest way to access usenet discussions is Forte Free Agent >(Newsreader). Actually its too efficient as some people at usenet who [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Just a suggestion ....... >Joel Better yet pay the measly fee for a premium news service. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Better yet pay the measly fee for a premium news service. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I take care of that, and share it out to my DC pals... =) Signaturejshafer817 Justin Shafer Onsite Dental Systems 2232 Solona St. Fort Worth, TX. 76117 (817) 909-4222 jshafer817@comcast.net OK,OK - I said I wasn't mad :-). Usenet is/was a unique little niche in the internet. But I would be foolish to expect the internet to remain static. Who knows, maybe I'll see some interesting threads in the future. carabelli carabelli Wrote: > OK,OK - I said I wasn't mad :-). Usenet is/was a unique little niche i > the internet. But I would be foolish to expect the internet to remai > static. Who knows, maybe I'll see some interesting threads in th > future > > carabelli :-) LOL. Thanks Carabelli Actually, this might turn out to be a great thing Justin has provided a great architecture (IMHO), but we can really us some new input and perhaps even some direction. (PLEASE... no offens to Bill, Joel, Justin, Marty et al. You all are really great! (But at times, it was like posting to oneself. It is pretty difficul to have a discussion group with so few posters) Thanks again Sue :-) :- -- Su >(But at times, it was like posting to oneself. It is pretty difficult >to have a discussion group with so few posters). > >Thanks again, > >Sue :-) :-) Try getting in touch with the poseurs then. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Justin, Bill, Joel et al (and SMD) I have to admit that I do not understand how this gateway works. D the SMD people see something different than we do here (as far as th format architecture? I came off vacation to see all of these new posters. I thought it wa wonderful. However I do not entirely understand the effects thi gateway has had on their discussion group. It seems the main complaint is that this has forced a more ope internet exposure for a group of people who had a more privat newsgroup setting. It has also acted as an invitation to "old" poster of that newsgroup that had once been "troublemakers" there and kindl "washed" out I think I understand their frustration now after digesting it a bit. really do not want to ruin anybody else's group. In the same token, selfishly hope this works out because I really like seeing all of th new voices However I am happy to go along with whatever decisions are made. was thankful for having our little group as well. Su -- Su >Nothing ever remains the same, I'm not really angry about the gateway, but >not really happy either. Truthfully, I have wasted way too much time here [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >carabelli Wondered where you were hanging out. with the right filters SMD isn't a 'complete waste of time'. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com REPLYING and ~bump~ing the thread. Please see notes about who is actually posting and from where the posts are originating! Joel >Just a short note. I have been posting to smd for well over 10 years. >Usenet was what it was. SMD is no longer just a newsgroup with the gateway [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >carabelli |
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