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LurfysMa - 17 Aug 2005 22:33 GMT This morning, the gold crown on tooth 19 fell off into my toast.
The dentist said that it cannot be saved. I had a root canal maybe 10-15 years ago. The remaining tooth material is at or below the gum line. My mouth is otherwise in pretty good health for my age (61) and poor brushing as a child (lots of fillings and most molars are crowned.
I was told that the remaining tooth needed to come out. I have a appointment with an oral surgeon in 2 weeks for a consultation and the extraction.
My choices after that were presented as:
1. Implant and new crown. This was explained as the more enduring and probably most trouble-free after the initial procedure, which might take 2-3 months to complete. The downside is that because of my bruxism, the implant could fail. (See below.)
2. Bridge. The adjacent teeth already have crowns. This was explained as almost equivalent, but somewhat less durable.
3. Nothing. This was explained an not a good choice because the tooth above (14?) would start to drop down causing problems.
One other factor is that I have had a long-standing problem with bruxism, mainly at night. I have a night guard, which I remember to use most of the time (95+%?).
I would be interested in any comments or opinions. Should I seek a second opinion? I have had good work from this dentist.
Thanks
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 17 Aug 2005 22:40 GMT > This morning, the gold crown on tooth 19 fell off into my toast. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Thanks You've got two choices, both of which were outlined to you. If you trust this dentist, what are you hoping to hear? Perhaps that this tooth can be saved? That may well be a judgement call and worth getting a second opinion. As far as replacement goes, the considerations are cost, expediency and outcome. I would discuss with the oral surgeon at the time of extraction if this area is suitable for an implant. It may be advisable to graft the extraction site at the same visit as the extraction, esp. if an implant is anticipated. If the adjacent teeth have already been crowned and esp. if they are periodontally healthy, it is much easier to rationalize a bridge than if they are intact teeth. Implants are indeed a wonderful replacement, and the fact that you have two very viable options is a good thing. The cost will be almost equivalent--the implant may be slightly more money. The implant will take several months to complete the replacement, and after all it is surgery. If that doesn't turn you off conventional oral hygiene--particularly flossing is much easier with an implant-supported crown rather than a fixed bridge.
Steve
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LurfysMa - 18 Aug 2005 03:44 GMT >> This morning, the gold crown on tooth 19 fell off into my toast. >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >tooth can be saved? That may well be a judgement call and worth getting >a second opinion. I was just hoping for feedback on my situation. Clearly, I would like to save the tooth, if that's possible, but the dentist said it would be costly and may well fail anyway. I don't expect that anyone here can evaluate that statment without doing their own examination.
> As far as replacement goes, the considerations are cost, expediency and >outcome. I would discuss with the oral surgeon at the time of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >hygiene--particularly flossing is much easier with an implant-supported >crown rather than a fixed bridge. It sounds like you are pretty closely in agreement with what I was told.
Amatus Cremona - 18 Aug 2005 14:25 GMT > It sounds like you are pretty closely in agreement with what I was > told. You were given excellent advice.
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> >>> This morning, the gold crown on tooth 19 fell off into my toast. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > It sounds like you are pretty closely in agreement with what I was > told. W_B - 17 Aug 2005 23:20 GMT >1. Implant and new crown. This was explained as the more enduring and >probably most trouble-free after the initial procedure, which might >take 2-3 months to complete. The downside is that because of my >bruxism, the implant could fail. (See below.) Parafunction (bruxism, clenching, etc...) can cause any dental restoration to fail. A good option. I have an implant, it works fine.
>2. Bridge. The adjacent teeth already have crowns. This was explained >as almost equivalent, but somewhat less durable. Conventional bridges have been around much longer than implants. a decent option.
>3. Nothing. This was explained an not a good choice because the tooth >above (14?) would start to drop down causing problems. Maybe, maybe not. still an option. You don't have to fill every hole.
>One other factor is that I have had a long-standing problem with >bruxism, mainly at night. I have a night guard, which I remember to >use most of the time (95+%?). Learn about the NTI headacheprevention.com
>I would be interested in any comments or opinions. Should I seek a >second opinion? I have had good work from this dentist. Sounds to me that your options were fully explained.
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John Keiser - 18 Aug 2005 02:30 GMT A fourth option.
I had the same tooth fail but I had one virgin tooth abutting and didn't want to sacrifice it for a fixed bridge or pay $$$$ for an implant.
Since my wife has used a Nesbit or spider bridge for decades, I opted for the older, less costly, less invasive procedure. If I am unhappy, I assume I could move on t a fixed bridge or an implant. So far, I'm satisfied.
I know the Nesbit or spider bridge is not well thought of these days. But option number 4 might exist, if only to be batted down by the more knowledgeable professionals.
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Amatus Cremona - 18 Aug 2005 14:27 GMT > Since my wife has used a Nesbit or spider bridge for decades, I opted for > the older, less costly, less invasive procedure. If I am unhappy, I > assume I could move on to a fixed bridge or an implant. So far, I'm > satisfied. No dentist I know personally would ever do one of these. The risk of law-suit after the patient swallows the appliance and perforates the intestine is too great.
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>A fourth option. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > option number 4 might exist, if only to be batted down by the more > knowledgeable professionals. John Keiser - 18 Aug 2005 17:21 GMT Are there any published statistics of such injuries, let alone suits? Doesn't the NTI have a similar chance of being swallowed [albeit no sharp clasp]?
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Tim Dixon - 18 Aug 2005 17:53 GMT > Are there any published statistics of such injuries, let alone suits? > Doesn't the NTI have a similar chance of being swallowed [albeit no sharp > clasp]? From NTI: http://www.nti-tss.com/analysis.htm
I. Danger of Aspiration and Swallowing of Dental Foreign Objects
Introduction As with all dental devices and materials, swallowing and aspiration of dental foreign objects is a great concern to both the manufacturer and the clinician. Swallowing is far more common than aspiration, and neither are highly reported in the medical literature. Trauma is the most common cause of aspiration or swallowing of fractured or avulsed teeth, and dislodged fixed and unilateral removable prostheses.
There are no reports in the literature of aspiration or swallowing of dental devices during sleep. This includes removable anterior jig appliances sometimes used as muscle deprogramming devices or specific orthodontic removable appliances.
Specifically considering the NTItss appliance, it is imperative that the mean average pressure to dislodge the appliance from the maxillary anterior teeth be known. The maximum tongue-tip pressure against the maxillary lingual surfaces of the anterior teeth in the human being has not been reported. However, several studies, have reported tongue tip pressure in adults during swallowing as 68 gm/cm2 (+/-14 gm/cm2) to 445 gm/cm2 (+/- 220 gm/cm2).
The geometric shapes of the maxillary anterior teeth most important in the retention of an appliance such as the NTItss. To dislodge the NTItss, both horizontal and vertical tongue pressure is required. In theory, if the vertical force required to dislodge the appliance is consistently greater than the maximum tongue-tip pressure against the appliance, then the clinician may confidently, with certainty, place the NTItss appliance. Experiment
To test this theory, 12 patients wearing NTItss appliances were chosen in sequence. Using an algometer (dolorimeter, palpameter, or pressure threshold meter), two different sets of measurements were obtained. An alogometer is essentially a very sensitive force gauge designed to measure forces applied to very specific locations on a patient. It is generally used to measure pain threshold and pain tolerance, but it may also be used to measure total forces generated or required to produce a desired effect.
In a method described by Steinbroker, two different sets of data were obtained from each participant in these studies concerning (1) maximum tongue-tip force and force required to dislodge the NTItss appliance. Then these data were analyzed and compared to determine if a patient could, theoretically, generate enough tongue-tip force to dislodge his or her own NTItss appliance.
Methods and Materials
Using an algometer with a 1 square centimeter tip, the instrument was held horizontally between in subject's anterior teeth, facing the tongue. The instructions given to each subject were to push as hard as possible with his or her tongue tip against the the algometer, hold that pressure point for a second, relax, and repeat the procedure two more times. The data, in pounds per square centimeter were recorded.
Then, using the algometer, pressure was applied at the top edge of the NTI in an inferior direction. Pressure was applied until the NTItss was dislodged. This maneuver was performed three times and the data recorded.
Results
The age range of subjects in this study was 15 years old to 52 years old (mean average age was 38.43; standard deviation was 10.06). There were 14 females and one male. Table 1 lists these data.
The range of tongue-tip pressure was 726 gm/cm2 to 1762 gm/cm2 (the mean average was 1120.1 gm/cm2; standard deviation was 290.74 gm/cm2). Table 1: Raw Data Sub No Age/Sex D1(lbs) D2 (lbs) D3 (lbs) Ave (lbs) Ave (gm/cm2) T1 (lbs) T2 (lbs) T3 (lbs) Ave (lbs) Ave (gm/cm2) 1 44/F 8.0 7.1 7.7 7.6 3450 2.4 2.6 2.2 2.4 1090 2 52/F 8.2 8 7.8 8 3632 3.3 1.7 1.8 2.7 1212 3 15/F 7.8 9 7.9 8.23 3736 3 3.4 2.6 3 1362 4 46/M 6.4 6.6 6.5 6.5 2951 3.4 2.9 3 3.1 1407 5 44/F 6.6 7 7.8 7.13 3237 1.8 1.7 1.7 1.73 785.4 6 39/F 3.4 3.3 3.2 3 1362 1.4 1.8 1.6 1.6 726 7 44/F 7 6.8 6.6 6.8 3087 2.3 2.7 3.2 2.73 1239 8 26/F 4.2 3.6 4.8 4.2 1907 2.5 2.4 2.4 2.43 1103 9 41/F 10.1 10.8 8.9 9.93 4508 3.4 2.8 2.8 3 1762 10 32/F 4.8 5.7 6.6 5.7 2588 2.3 1.8 1.7 1.9 863 11 43/F 4.3 4.8 4.6 4.6 2088 2.3 1.8 2.1 2.1 953 12 31/F 3.7 4.1 4.1 3.9 1771 1.3 1.3 2.1 1.7 772 13 49/F 7.5 8.3 7.6 7.8 3541 3.0 2.6 3.1 2.9 1317 14 32/F 6.2 6.0 7.6 6.6 2996 3.0 2.4 1.8 2.4 1090
A: Algometer pressure required to dislodge NTItss appliance T: Tongue-tip pressure The range of pressure required to dislodge the NTItss appliance ranged from 1362 gm/cm2 to 4508 gm/cm2 (mean average: 2918.14 gm/cm2; standard deviation: 880.22 gm/cm2).
Discussion
With every participant, the tongue-tip pressure he or she generated did not even approximate the force required to dislodge the NTItss appliance (Table 2). Every subject except two had to exert more than twice his or hers tongue-tip pressure in order to dislodge the NTItss appliance.
Only vertical forces could be used to attempt to dislodge the NTItss appliance in this experiment.
Although this is a small, unscientific study, the data still prove the assertion that the NTItss appliance can not, if fabricated properly as recommended by the manufacturer, be dislodged by even the maximum amount of tongue pressure. Except for two individuals, each subject had to exert over two times his or hers maximum tongue-tip pressure to remove the NTItss appliance from the anterior teeth. No subject could come close to exerting enough pressure to dislodge the appliance.
In practicality, dislodgment of the NTItss appliance is more difficult than these results demonstrate. Only a vertical force could be applied to the NTItss due to the fact that the maxillary anterior teeth are basically perpendicular to the anterior thrust of the tongue and no right-angled algometer was available.
Profitt et al. reported that children and young adults tend to reproduce his or hers tongue pressure against the anterior palate with both groups exerting greater lateral pressure (against the canines) than anterior or tongue-tip pressure. They also reported that adults could exert only a slight amount of anterior palatal pressure.
For patients who exert prolonged tongue protrusion against the lingual surface of the maxillary anterior teeth, most persons, except brass instrument players (specifically, trumpet players), can produce maximum pressure for only a short time due to fatigue of the tongue musculature. Further, as one ages, it appears that one's maximum tongue pressure against the maxillary anterior teeth diminishes.
Important consideration needs to be given to the thought of aspiration of the NTItss appliance in the event of its very unlikely dislodgment. The literature has little to say about aspiration of foreign dental objects or devices except that swallowing is more common than aspiration. However, those which have been reported are unusual cases occurring after some type of orofacial trauma.,,,, It is important to note that in all these citations, all aspirated dental appliances were dislodged due to trauma to the face and/or dentition and not due to normal orofunctional activities.
Also, there may be a question concerning dislodgment of the NTItss while the patient is exhibiting parafunctional activities (i.e., clenching and/or grinding) while sleeping. In all probability, the forces generated when performing parafunctional activities would actually aid in retention of the NTItss appliance. The act of clenching arouses one from deep sleep, and that is when a subject clenches, not during deep sleep. So, when one becomes active with mandibular movements and possibly with protrusion of the tongue, arousal and clenching also occur, thus aiding in maintaining the NTItss appliance in its proper position. This period of arousal and light sleep, termed REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep is the period where most parafunctional activities occur. During REM sleep in those who clench, the tonus of the antigravity muscles (e.g., the anterior temporalis, the masseter, and the zygomandibularis muscles) is increased as are spinal reflexes.
Bader et al.have hypothesized that clenching is a minor alarm and arousal response to endogenous and/or exogenous stimuli, producing motor activation of the mandibular closure muscles (i.e., temporalis, masseter, zygomandibularis, and the medial pterygoid). This activation produces a burst of clenching followed by an increase in heart activity. This burst of motor activity is primarily in the anterior temporalis muscle with the masseter basically stabilizing the mandible, thus clenching on the anterior teeth occur, which further aids in maintaining the proper position of the NTItss appliance.
Neuroanatomically, it's been shown that dopamine-containing neurons in the nigrostriatal system of the brain are responsible for arousal from sleep. It appears that human beings prone to noctural parafunctional activities have an increase in dopamine concentration, thus producing a burst in motor activity of the elevator muscles of the mandible. In other words, parafunctional noctural activities arouse one from deep sleep, producing clenching and grinding in many persons. These parafunctional activities cannot be avoided in some persons. If allowed to strongly contact the posterior teeth, the motor activity of the mandibular elevator muscles will be heightened, thus producing mechanical and biochemical environments for the development of headache pain.
Conclusions
Based upon the data gathered in this small but significant study, it can be concluded that:
1. The mean average maximum tongue-tip pressure in the human being is 1136.58 gm/cm2;
2. The mean average pressure required to dislodge an NTItss appliance was 2958.73 gm/cm2;
3. The mean average pressure to dislodge the NTItss appliance never came close to the maximum tongue-tip pressure generated by any of the subjects in this study;
4. Actual appliance dislodgement would require more force measured in this study because in vivo, a horizontal vector of force in addition to a vertical vector of force would be required. Only the vertical force could be measured in this study;
5. In all human beings except for those rare individuals who have trained their tongue musculature to perform precise tasks (e.g., trumpet playing), maximum tongue pressure against the lingual surfaces of the maxillary anterior teeth can not be sustained for any length of time.
6. Maximum tongue pressure decreases with age;
Therefore, given that an NTItss appliance is fabricated properly as described by the manufacturer and as demonstrated in the video tape provided with NTItss kits, and based upon the results and conclusions of this study, it seems totally inconceivable, within reasonable certainty, that an NTItss appliance could be dislodged by a patient while sleeping. This is especially true for patients who are middle-aged and older.
Joel344 - 20 Aug 2005 10:22 GMT Thanks Tim,
Very thorough and helpful reply.
Joe
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