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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / August 2005Stuff About Dinosaurs I Never Knew .....
I had no idea that dinosaurs were around five thousand years ago. What is scary is that in a recent poll, 42% of Americans believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old. That's something else I never learned. Joel ** http://www.moeh.org/main/discover.htm discover: Were Dinosaurs on the Ark of Noah? Yes. From a biblical standpoint, it is extremely clear that God create all land animals on day six of the creation week (dinosaurs are lan animals), and that He gathered two (male and female) of each kind o land animal into the ark. Therefore, dinosaurs were included in this group. This is reinforced b statements in Genesis 7, which say that all animals with the breath o life came by pairs into the ark. ** http://www.moeh.org/main/learn_c.htm [Learn More] In 1380, John Wycliffe produced the first complete English translatio of the Bible, while the more notable King James Translation (Authorize Version) appeared in 1611. At this point, the translators of Hebrew di not have an English word equal to tanniym (meaning “great lizardâ€) so they typically used the word dragon. Tanniym is found 25 times in th Old Testament, including in Genesis 1:21. In this context, the word i used to describe the creation of great ocean-dwelling creatures Various translations treat this word differently:“And God create great whales†--King James Version “And God created the great Sea monsters†--New American Standard Version “So God created the great [sea creatures†--New International Version and The Living Bible Of the other 24 uses of the same word, the King James Version use dragon 22 times. Other translations use words such as sea serpent reptile, ravening monster, and crocodile. Over five and a hal centuries after the first English translation of the Bible, Richar Owen, aware of several dinosaur fossils unearthed in southern England gave these massive creatures the name dinosauria, from Latin, meanin “terrible lizard.†This name first appeared in a paper that h presented to the British Association for the Advancement of Science published in 1842 -- Joel34 Joel wrote: "What is scary is that in a recent poll, 42% of Americans believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old. That's something else I never learned." Well, the guy that Joel quoted is quite sure of when the dinosaurs got started: "From a biblical standpoint, it is extremely clear that God created all land animals on day six of the creation week (dinosaurs are land animals), and that He gathered two (male and female) of each kind of land animal into the ark." So where do alligators and crocodiles fall -- on day five? Five and a half? Are they land or water creatures? Perhaps in the rock strata there is a clear line between day five and day six. A geologist could help. ;-) - dentaldoc > So where do alligators and crocodiles fall -- on day five? Five and a > half? Are they land or water creatures? 'Guess they must've had a committee meeting: The Father the Son, the Holy Ghost, Krishna, Vishnu, Allah, Odin, Bob.... .... and chewed over what to do with the misfits. What we really need is to find the minutes of that meeting. 'Bet it was written up by Loki... so all you pointy-heads: look for an ancient secretarial book written in godly short hand with Loki's signature on it.... Cheers, Amen SP  SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > dinosauria, from Latin, meaning > âterrible lizard.â This name first appeared in a paper that he > presented to the British Association for the Advancement of Science, > published in 1842. D'you think they bleached their fangs using nine percent volcanoe lava? Interestingly, Mammouths (sp) are about 5000 years old as well aren't they? .... Or was that 500 years....?... I think so, as we can eat frozen mammouth steaks today... ... Never Mind... SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >>dinosauria, from Latin, meaning >>“terrible lizard.†This name first appeared in a paper that he [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ... Never Mind... > SP A hot item of discussion on the guitar newsgroups the past couple of years: Fossilized wooly mammoth ivory is being used for guitar nut and bridge saddle blanks and bridge pins: http://www.fossilivory.com/ Steve SignatureCut the nonsense to reply > A hot item of discussion on the guitar newsgroups the past couple of > years: Fossilized wooly mammoth ivory is being used for guitar nut and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Steve Bloody Hell.... is it really worth it? Every Fender I've ever owned had plastic in those postions and the sound was fine. If you wanted to file the nut down (as I did twice) it was easy to do using an emery board. Thanks for the info SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH There would be nothing to laugh about this crazy hour of the morning if not for the dinosaurs discussion. Gotta be thankful for the humor. Even guitars are welcome. Gail In fact, there is lots of fascination about the scientific aspects of this. One of the current buzzwords in paleontology is cladistics. DEF. A system of biological taxonomy based on the quantitative analysis of comparative data and used to reconstruct trees summarizing the (assumed) phylogenetic relations and evolutionary history of groups of organisms This replaces the older Linnean taxonomy. As example, turtles are anapsids, dinosaurs are diapsids, while humans are synapsids. ANAPSIDS .. Primitive reptile having no opening in the temporal region of the skull; all extinct except turtles DIAPSIDS .. Reptile having a pair of openings in the skull behind each eye SYNAPSIDS .. Extinct reptile having a single pair of lateral temporal openings in the skull ..or humans ..This definition is incomplete. CONNECTION WITH DENTISTRY .. is of course how our orofacial structures have evolved and developed. This was a small portion of a paleontology course I took in the sprin of 2005. On a larger scale, when discussing whether dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark, there is lots to discuss. Beliefs are great, but mainl in the area of cosmology, religion, and the like. What prompted thi discussion? The rise to prominence of Pennsylvania's U.S. Senatro, Rick Santorum a very dangerous man. This points to discussions about stem cell research, and delving int how to reverse spinal cord damage. To my way of thinking, if there is God, he is saying, "Yeah guys, go for it!" That is my BELIEF anyway. Joe -- Joel34 > This points to discussions about stem cell research, and delving into > how [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > "Yeah guys, go for it!" The Religious Right is stangling your country. The stem cell thing and the religious opposition even made it into the August issue of National Geographic. If there is a god s/he must be saying: what a.sholes they are being... JMO SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH "The Religious Right is stangling your country. The stem cell thing and the religious opposition even made it into the August issue of National Geographic." ___________ Here in California, the home of Ronald Reagan's widow ( a strong proponent of stem cell research), we recently passed a bond issue to support stem cell research in the state. So regardless of what the Federal government may do, we will have non-federal funds to support research within the state. You have lots of good universities in Canada. This may be an opportunity for them to recruit researchers if the U.S. starts lagging behind. - dentaldoc > Here in California, the home of Ronald Reagan's widow ( a strong > proponent of stem cell research), we recently passed a bond issue to > support stem cell research in the state. So regardless of what the > Federal government may do, we will have non-federal funds to support > research within the state. That's excellent. Hope you can become world contenders, but... > You have lots of good universities in Canada. This may be an > opportunity for them to recruit researchers if the U.S. starts lagging > behind. > > - dentaldoc I see your point Bill, but I think neither youse nor us are going to break much new ground in stem cell research; it's gonna be the Brits, Sigapore, China and a few others. Sigapore has already lured big wig researchers from the 'States. They've built a whole University around stem cell research. That is both regenerative and cloning. Why all these countries? Except for Great Britain, there are no ethics committees. The Brits obviously _do_ have ethical stops in place, but it is nothing compared to what GWB did to control research in the US of A. Cheers SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > SYNAPSIDS .. Extinct reptile having a single pair of lateral > temporal openings in the skull > > ..or humans ..This definition is incomplete. I thought I was a Kaannnadian... SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> A hot item of discussion on the guitar newsgroups the past couple of >>years: Fossilized wooly mammoth ivory is being used for guitar nut and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks for the info > SP I'm not the one to ask about Strats--George is. But I'm sure this is more of an issue with acoustics, and maybe esp. classical guitars, where sustain is a bigger problem. Andrew Schulman, who is a gigging guitarist in New York, both solo and with his Abaca string band, is a big proponent of this. He's also very knowledgeable about issues related to lutherie and stuff like saddle compensation that make my eyes glaze over. I'm sure he'd be happy to sing the praises of fossil mammoth ivory if you contact him: http://www.abacaproductions.com/ Steve SignatureCut the nonsense to reply > I'm not the one to ask about Strats--George is. These were mostly Jaguars and Telecasters. Strats were too $$$. >But I'm sure this is > more of an issue with acoustics, and maybe esp. classical guitars, where [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.abacaproductions.com/ Thanks for this. I've saved it. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Speaking of dinosaurs and acoustics http://www.sandia.gov/media/dinosaur.htm > Speaking of dinosaurs and acoustics > > http://www.sandia.gov/media/dinosaur.htm Wow--is it possible these guys have too much time on their hands? Steve SignatureCut the nonsense to reply >> Speaking of dinosaurs and acoustics >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Steve Millions and millions of years, right ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> A hot item of discussion on the guitar newsgroups the past couple of >> years: Fossilized wooly mammoth ivory is being used for guitar nut and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Thanks for the info >SP Think two of my Strats have a bone nut, the Tele too. Changed the nut on the '62 to graphite, it wouldn't stay tuned with the old nut. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >Bloody Hell.... is it really worth it? Every Fender I've ever owned had > >plastic in those postions and the sound was fine. If you wanted to file [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com They told me at the guitar shop that the stuff they sold me was 'bone nut'... it wasn't. It was plain old blonde colored plastic, shaped to fit. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> >Bloody Hell.... is it really worth it? Every Fender I've ever owned had >> >plastic in those postions and the sound was fine. If you wanted to file [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >SP You still can get bone nut blanks, you may have to carve them yourself. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > You still can get bone nut blanks, you may have to carve them yourself. > -- > > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com You know.... if I dragged out my Mexican Strat and found that it needed a new nut, I'd take an impression of the slot in polysiloxane, make a negative of that in polysiloxane again (after coating the first with Polmolive dishwashing soap), and fill it with a hard composite. That would be sculptible with dental drills, and then I'd treat the underside with (what else?) the Danville MicroEtcher Mark IIA. Then I'd use a weak wood glue to place it in. I don't remember what we used as glue when we changed the nut on my old beat-up Telecaster. I wonder seriously if we just didn't glue it at all... Thanks SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> You still can get bone nut blanks, you may have to carve them yourself. >> -- [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Thanks >SP Interesting idea. Glue is not necessary to place a new guitar nut if the fit is good. a little Elmer's if you want to secure it from shifting would be ok. Do you still have the Tele ? what year model ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>>You still can get bone nut blanks, you may have to carve them yourself. >>>-- [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I may have mentioned I cut a bottleneck with my high-speed. Works very nicely. I wouldn't do this for a living, the silica dust I'm sure is no good. I was also contacted by a well-known lute scholar in Boston, and I sent him some finishing strips to widen nut slots. I'm not an expert on bridges--I particularly don't understand compensation (I assume it has something to do with temperament). Don't know if you have any archtops--I know some of the bridge technology used in some jazz boxes is pretty different. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 >>>>You still can get bone nut blanks, you may have to carve them yourself. >>>>-- [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >nicely. I wouldn't do this for a living, the silica dust I'm sure is no >good. I got a local stained glass window shop to cut some wine bottles for slides. (about 6 or so) All he wanted in return was a nice bottle of whiskey. > I was also contacted by a well-known lute scholar in Boston, and I sent >him some finishing strips to widen nut slots. > I'm not an expert on bridges--I particularly don't understand >compensation (I assume it has something to do with temperament). Believe it has to do with the thicker strings don't vibrate all the way to the bridge saddle, has to do with intonation IMO. > Don't know if you have any archtops--I know some of the bridge >technology used in some jazz boxes is pretty different. No archtops, but the Les Paul actually has a top reminicent of a full arch top. The good ole 'tune-o-matic'... >Steve -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > I may have mentioned I cut a bottleneck with my high-speed. Works very > nicely. I wouldn't do this for a living, the silica dust I'm sure is no > good. W_B is right: take 'em to a glassworks place and have do them there. They have circle cutters made especially for bottles of all sizes. They will heat up the cut edges with the acetylane torch to smooth them. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > Interesting idea. > > Glue is not necessary to place a new guitar nut if the fit is good. > a little Elmer's if you want to secure it from shifting would be ok. Yes... if you're usind Super Slinkys like I was at that time, you couldn't stretch them enough so the nut would slip. > Do you still have the Tele ? what year model ? Never knew the year. It was a Tele that was converted into an Esquire (God knows why; maybe the front pickup was broken). It was painted black (ugly, but nice effect when you played at night in low lighting). I don't have it anymore, and I regret it. I let it go because of the sound: it just didn't give that Fender clean back pickup sound. Some of the frets buzzed even after I worked on them. and as you must know, you can't change the height of the older Tele bridges. So it was probably quite old. I regret it because of the TOUCH. If I had it today, I'd send it to you and say: FIX IT. Cheers SP > -- > > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> Interesting idea. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Cheers >SP If you ever run across it again and procure it, you have a deal. Pickups can be changed, and there are adjustable replacement bridges that drop right into the old mount. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com first the pipe wrote: > >I regret it because of the TOUCH. If I had it today, I'd send it to you > >and say: FIX IT. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE Great! Thanks for the offer. Who knows what will come down the pike. I pass in front of a local pawn shop often, and look it. Maybe one day... Cheers SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > I was also contacted by a well-known lute scholar in Boston, and sent >him some finishing strips to widen nut slots. > I'm not an expert on bridges--I particularly don't understand >compensation (I assume it has something to do with temperament). REPLY We had one of those conventions for those guys recently. I wa surprised. They had mebbe 30,000 or 40,000 lute scholars all packed i there together. It is a much more popular instrument than peopl realize. Joe -- Joel34 >>I was also contacted by a well-known lute scholar in Boston, and I > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Joel It's funny--I do not play lute. Classical guitarists are a very small niche in classical music. Many well-known lutenists come from a guitar background, and are a small niche within those who know classical guitar. Some lute players like to dress up in funky renaissance outfits. It really is a beautiful instrument. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/lute.html Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > You know.... if I dragged out my Mexican Strat and found that it needed > a new nut, I'd take an impression of the slot in polysiloxane, make a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > changed the nut on my old beat-up Telecaster. I wonder seriously if we > just didn't glue it at all... No ebony nuts? Signature/ Amatus / > >> You still can get bone nut blanks, you may have to carve them yourself. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Thanks > SP >> You know.... if I dragged out my Mexican Strat and found that it needed >> a new nut, I'd take an impression of the slot in polysiloxane, make a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >No ebony nuts? Have yet to see one on a guitar. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>>You know.... if I dragged out my Mexican Strat and found that it needed >>>a new nut, I'd take an impression of the slot in polysiloxane, make a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Have yet to see one on a guitar. Hard for a wood, still too soft for a nut. Steve > -- > > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 REPLY They used to give people tests during WWII to make sure they were no actually German spies and merely dressed up as Americans ..... SOLDIER: "Name?" OTHER GUY: "John Smith" SOLDIER: "Profession?" OTHER GUY: "Dental technician." SOLDIER: "Okay wiseguy, what's a lutenist?" Joel QUOTED BELOW It's funny--I do not play lute. Classical guitarists are a very small niche in classical music. Many well-known lutenists come from a guitar background, and are a small niche within those who know classical guitar. Some lute players like to dress up in funky renaissanc outfits. It really is a beautiful instrument. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/lute.html Stev -- Joel34 > Have yet to see one on a guitar. What is the rationale behind the various choices of material for a guitar nut and bridge? The bridge is so short, does material changes effect sound transmission to the belly of the instrument very much? Signature/ Amatus / > >>> You know.... if I dragged out my Mexican Strat and found that it needed [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> Have yet to see one on a guitar. > >What is the rationale behind the various choices of material for a guitar >nut and bridge? The bridge is so short, does material changes effect sound >transmission to the belly of the instrument very much? Alot depends on wether we are discussing electric v. acoustic. The bridge on guitars is ~3 -3½ inches. It provides two distinct functions, first is to create a 'stop' that determines the length of the string, the other is to transmit vibration to the body of the guitar. A semi dense material provides the best transmission. Hence, ivory, bone, etc... because it vibrates easily, Most electrics have metal bridges and the pickups (sensors) pick up the vibrations. On acoustics the bridge is part of the bridge assembly that transmits the vibration to the top of the guitar. Metal nuts were once popular (esp. brass) but these have largely fallen out of favor. The short answer to your question is yes. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > The short answer to your question is yes. Thank you for educating me Signature/ Amatus / > >>> Have yet to see one on a guitar. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>Have yet to see one on a guitar. > > What is the rationale behind the various choices of material for a guitar > nut and bridge? The bridge is so short, does material changes effect sound > transmission to the belly of the instrument very much? The guitarist I referenced (Andrew Schulman) claims that a fossil ivory nut makes a big difference. He's kind of a techno-geek on guitars (though a player, not a luthier) and is fond of cutting his own nut and saddle blanks. He's also an expert on nut compensation, which is pretty arcane stuff to me. I can vouch that bridge saddle material makes a difference. I'm a bit more skeptical about nut material. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > I can vouch that bridge saddle material makes a difference. I'm a bit >more skeptical about nut material. > >Steve Agreed. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > The guitarist I referenced (Andrew Schulman) claims that a fossil ivory > nut makes a big difference. He's kind of a techno-geek on guitars (though [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can vouch that bridge saddle material makes a difference. I'm a bit > more skeptical about nut material. Do some guitars have a separate bridge, or is it always incorporated into the saddle? Signature/ Amatus / > >>>Have yet to see one on a guitar. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Steve >>The guitarist I referenced (Andrew Schulman) claims that a fossil ivory >>nut makes a big difference. He's kind of a techno-geek on guitars (though [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Do some guitars have a separate bridge, or is it always incorporated into > the saddle? The saddle is part of the bridge; some are attached to the top, some float. I'm most familiar with acoustic flattop bridges. Even there, many saddles are glued in, but some are held in by pressure from the strings. Many archtops have some unusual and varied designs. Now I just learned something; there are wood compensated bridges on this page: http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_tailpieces/Archtop_guitar_bridges.html Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_tailpieces/Archtop_guitar_bridges.html thanks Signature/ Amatus / > >>>The guitarist I referenced (Andrew Schulman) claims that a fossil ivory [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Steve This is a warning not to get Joel stated. He used to post his homewor here with the pictures too. Hugs, Mart -- MartyCollinsRD > This is a warning not to get Joel stated. He used to post his homework > here with the pictures too. No binaries on a newsgroup, so we don't mind. Joel is a nice guy, I am sure that if you ask him nicely he will listen to what you have to say. Signature. Amatus . > > This is a warning not to get Joel stated. He used to post his homework [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Marty > No ebony nuts? I'm predudiced, 'gainst them types, ya know. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > I think so, as we can eat frozen >> mammouth steaks today... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Steve Kewl, thanks for the link. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com 61.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot. SignatureChristopher A. Young Do good work. It's longer in the short run but shorter in the long run. . . I had no idea that dinosaurs were around five thousand years ago. What is scary is that in a recent poll, 42% of Americans believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old. That's something else I never learned. Joel ** http://www.moeh.org/main/discover.htm discover: Were Dinosaurs on the Ark of Noah? Yes. From a biblical standpoint, it is extremely clear that God created all land animals on day six of the creation week (dinosaurs are land animals), and that He gathered two (male and female) of each kind of land animal into the ark. Therefore, dinosaurs were included in this group. This is reinforced by statements in Genesis 7, which say that all animals with the breath of life came by pairs into the ark. ** http://www.moeh.org/main/learn_c.htm [Learn More] In 1380, John Wycliffe produced the first complete English translation of the Bible, while the more notable King James Translation (Authorized Version) appeared in 1611. At this point, the translators of Hebrew did not have an English word equal to tanniym (meaning “great lizardâ€), so they typically used the word dragon. Tanniym is found 25 times in the Old Testament, including in Genesis 1:21. In this context, the word is used to describe the creation of great ocean-dwelling creatures. Various translations treat this word differently:“And God created great whales†--King James Version “And God created the great Sea monsters†--New American Standard Version “So God created the great [sea] creatures†--New International Version and The Living Bible Of the other 24 uses of the same word, the King James Version uses dragon 22 times. Other translations use words such as sea serpent, reptile, ravening monster, and crocodile. Over five and a half centuries after the first English translation of the Bible, Richard Owen, aware of several dinosaur fossils unearthed in southern England, gave these massive creatures the name dinosauria, from Latin, meaning “terrible lizard.†This name first appeared in a paper that he presented to the British Association for the Advancement of Science, published in 1842. SignatureJoel344 Joel wrote: > I had no idea that dinosaurs were around five thousand years ago. 'Course! Dinchoo ever watch the TV show "It's About Time"? I am still wondering how Noah got the big ones onto his Ark. You know, head sticking out through the sunroof, etc. SignatureJoel344 > I am still wondering how Noah got the big ones onto his Ark. You know, > head sticking out through the sunroof, etc.-- > Joel344------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----Joel344's Profile: > http://dentalcom.net/forum/member.php?userid=12View this thread: > http://dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2670 Jeezuz... Velociraptors and pigs on the same boat.... SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Stove Pipe Wrote: > Jeezuz... Velociraptors and pigs on the same boat.... NOAH TO FAMILY: "We won't starve. At least the Velociraptors are Kosher. -- Joel34 > I had no idea that dinosaurs were around five thousand years ago. > What is scary is that in a recent poll, 42% of Americans believe [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ** Regarding Noah and his Yacht, here is a not insignificant segment of the population that believes that Noah's wife was.... ... Joan of Arc. That is really true. Saw it on the weekend on the Radio. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH |
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