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Ender's playing - 13 Aug 2005 01:12 GMT
Hi,

whats the rationale for the use of periostat?

where can i find info on this?

if you have used this, can you give me a feedback please

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Joel344 - 13 Aug 2005 01:36 GMT
In a sentence, it reduces increased levels of collagenase.

Collagenase is an enzyme that breaks down or digests
collagen. Collagen is the stuff of connective tissue.

Joe

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Joel344 - 13 Aug 2005 01:40 GMT
Slightly more detailed reply:

Adv Dent Res. 1998 Nov;12(2):32-9. Related Articles, Links  

Long-term sub-antimicrobial doxycycline (Periostat) as adjunctiv
management in adult periodontitis: effects on subgingival bacteria
population dynamics.

Thomas JG, Metheny RJ, Karakiozis JM, Wetzel JM, Crout RJ.

Department of Pathology, West Virginia University, Morgantow
26506-9203, USA.

Previous trials had indicated that various schedules o
sub-antimicrobial doxycycline significantly reduced gingival crevicula
fluid (GCF) collagenase activity in adult patients with periodontiti
with no evidence of emergent tetracycline-resistant (Tcr) marker ora
flora. The purpose of this nine-month study was to expand thes
observations, emphasizing newer microbial diagnostic methods
Subgingival paper point samples were obtained at baseline (BL), 3, 6
and 9 months. Four subject treatment groups in a double-blind desig
were evaluated by mechanical scaling and root planing (SRP) and/or 2
mg doxycycline BID (Periostat). Thirty-eight patients entered the stud
at baseline (BL). Dark-field microscopy on 260 samples showed tha
morphotype distribution was independent of treatment schedule. Cultur
analysis of the 3 most prevalent isolates recovered showed tha
Streptococcus and Prevotella species accounted for approximately 85% o
the 724 cultures. There did not appear to be any overgrowth o
replacement by opportunistic oral flora. Of 658 susceptibility pattern
evaluated by Etest, the MIC50/90 and mode MIC showed stable patterns
independent of treatment group. Our findings were different from thos
of previously published reports, but may be partly explained by th
lack of universally standardized methods in oral microbiology an
interpretive criteria for susceptibility testing.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Tria

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Joel34
shad j lewis - 13 Aug 2005 01:50 GMT
Over a certain dose, it's an antibiotic.  Under that dose, it acts as
an enzyme supressant ONLY.  I've tried in on some patients, I've
noticed a difference in tissue health and tooth mobility, and they all
have claimed that, "everything tightened up."
Dr Steve - 13 Aug 2005 13:50 GMT
And,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, six months later?

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> Over a certain dose, it's an antibiotic.  Under that dose, it acts as
> an enzyme supressant ONLY.  I've tried in on some patients, I've
> noticed a difference in tissue health and tooth mobility, and they all
> have claimed that, "everything tightened up."
shad j lewis - 13 Aug 2005 14:11 GMT
Back to the same and refer to a periodontist, then.  It's marketed as a
"get-me-by" product for people who don't want to get the proper
treatment, and, in the end, they or their insurance company (medical if
they cover it) will most likely spend much more on the pills than the
periodontal treatment.
Bill - 13 Aug 2005 16:55 GMT
"Back to the same and refer to a periodontist, then.  It's marketed as
a
"get-me-by" product for people who don't want to get the proper
treatment, and, in the end, they or their insurance company (medical if

they cover it) will most likely spend much more on the pills than the
periodontal treatment."

That's because they charge much more for the smaller Periostat pills
than the larger, antibiotic-style doxycycline pills.

- dentaldoc
shad j lewis - 13 Aug 2005 18:47 GMT
I asked the rep the one day why the larger dose can't be prescribed and
then the pill broken in half.  I got some dumb answer, as usual.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 13 Aug 2005 18:55 GMT
> I asked the rep the one day why the larger dose can't be prescribed and
> then the pill broken in half.  I got some dumb answer, as usual.

    I've wondered about the marketing of Zyban vs. Wellbutrin (both
bupropion).  I believe Zyban (for smoking cessation) is given in lower
doses than Welbutrin (when used as an antidepressant).
    I'd bet a lot of pill splitting goes on.

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

StovePipe - 14 Aug 2005 02:48 GMT
> I asked the rep the one day why the larger dose can't be prescribed and
> then the pill broken in half.  I got some dumb answer, as usual.

IIRC, doxy is usually given in capsule form. no? Hard to fraction that
dose unless you mix it, say, with peanut butter or mayonnaise.

SP
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Finally: take out the TRASHH

Joel344 - 14 Aug 2005 11:53 GMT
Last time I checked which was several years back Collagenex was
selling about $60 million of Periostat each year. Not bad for a tin
company!

PS~ A simple study of the data reveals that this is not an effectiv
therapy.

Joe

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Joel34
StovePipe - 14 Aug 2005 17:28 GMT
> Last time I checked which was several years back Collagenex was
> selling about $60 million of Periostat each year. Not bad for a tinycompany!
>
> PS~ A simple study of the data reveals that this is not an effectivetherapy.

agreed
SP

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Finally: take out the TRASHH

W_B - 15 Aug 2005 16:42 GMT
>Over a certain dose, it's an antibiotic.  Under that dose, it acts as
>an enzyme supressant ONLY.  I've tried in on some patients, I've
>noticed a difference in tissue health and tooth mobility, and they all
>have claimed that, "everything tightened up."

Everything ?
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